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| 09-06-15 09:03am - 3395 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Marphel (0)
Active User Posts: 10 Registered: Mar 08, '11 Location: USA |
Call Me When .... Someone please call me when you find an adult website that focuses it's attention on the female performers and not the males. Seriously, from what I've seen most porn sites have slipped into producing porn where the males are the "stars", and the females are just props with orifices. Every video is just another production of "watch numb nuts fuck". I am sick of watching the males doing anything and everything to upstage the females (are you listening Ryan Madison?). Also, the cameramen who seem to be more focused on the males rather than the female performers. Parking their camera's directly behind the guys ass so we end up with endless close ups of male ass crack, dick and nut sack, the guys face, and the rest of his body parts. Meanwhile, there is a gorgeous woman in the scene who is being virtually ignored.  In this age of political correctness what I am about to say may offend some, but I don't give a shit. If porn sites want to produce porn that centers on the male performers then call it what it is ("gay porn") and leave that shit out of hetero-sexual porn. Please call me when someone figures this out and starts producing porn where the women are once again the "stars". Edited on Sep 06, 2015, 03:33pm | |
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| 09-06-15 09:33am - 3395 days | #2 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
I wouldn't go as far as you have regarding males stealing the show but I will say a large part of the problem can be blamed on the photographer/director and the "porn formula. Photographers have fallen in love with the closeup. Porn has always been about either Voyeurism ( wanting to watch), or being in the other mans shoes. I don't know about other guys but I've never wanted to watch my self pop four inches from a women's face or watch a couple a while standing a half foot between a guys legs. I enjoy watching the whole women, her eyes, her face, her body...the sounds she makes and the things she may say. The writer may remember that not more then five years ago every pop shot featured a five second close up of the mans face as he opened his mouth to moan or to grit hiss teach before the pop shot, usually in the throws of "passion" and sweating all over before we moved back to the girl. Thank gosh other then in some Russian crap someone realized that watching Ron Jeremy fake bliss is something worse then nails on a blackboard. If only the camera would pull back and allow us to see the whole couple, with perhaps some concentration on the girl porn might be more interesting. Oh and one more thing, I don't remember ever dreaming about coming on a women's tits or on her belly. Mouth yes, face, yes, even on her pussy. Please let's get "REAL". Pornpundit | |
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| 09-06-15 06:21pm - 3395 days | #3 | |||||
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
That is more or less a direct result of gonzo porn. When you want to directly get to the penetration part of the scene than foreplay and passion tend to get left behind. You add a dash of less than talented directors and you have modern day porn.
Here we are going to have to disagree because I think Ryan actually is one of the more considerate performers. It's just that his shtick may make him appear to be at the center of the action. Of course I haven't been a member of his site in about a year so maybe he changed.
That's vasic gonzo 101 and although it's really annoying. I don't expect to see any change since the people shooting those scenes simply don't know any better and those that do probably don't care anymore.
I can see that it's pisses you off but calling it gay porn is not the way to go about it since you and I both know that it isn't. It's not even bi-porn because for it to be that it would require that the guys to sexually interact with each other and they never do in hetero porn.
The good news is that you finally have some sites that actually care about the women. Blacked, Tushy, X-Art and Colette(which is basically the same thing as x-art) are all sites that shoot porn that I would consider slightly more couple friendly and definitely try to make it appear as though the women are cared for. Some may even manage it but I try not to use my rose colored glasses when talking about porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |||||
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| 09-08-15 09:26am - 3393 days | #4 | |
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thirstyfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 30 Registered: May 20, '13 |
Marphel writes: "Seriously, from what I've seen most porn sites have slipped into producing porn where the males are the "stars", and the females are just props with orifices ..." Sad, isn't it? This is the main reason I've cut subscriptions way back (only two subs this year - both JAV sites). Watching a guy act like a chimp who just got the keys to the banana factory is not my idea of a good scene. Ppundit's idea about the "porn formula" is accurate. Porn makers simply copy other porn makers. Male-centric porn is a fad (we hope!) like whipped cream or couches. Bad blocking and lazy photography abound: goofy camera angles, uninteresting points of interest, endless close-ups. The ultimate in protracted close-ups - POV - is little more than a guy photographing his own dick. I agree with Pat's observation that male-centric porn is, in part, due to gonzo. When you strip out the plot, pacing, suspense, intrigue, and dialogue from a scene, what you're left with is a simple story (two people screwed for no discernible reason) and a checklist of activities. Evidently male shenanigans are high on that checklist. Other theories as to why porn scenes are about the guys: Porn makers believe users watch porn for the same reason they watch contact sports. Many porn directors, who I assume are also the cameramen, are stunt cocks themselves. Hollywood learned decades ago that actors often make bad directors. The porn "industry" hasn't yet figured this out or just doesn't care. Economics - the old three way engineering problem: good, fast, cheap - pick two. Porn makers seem to pick fast and cheap. Porn happens because a large number of things amazingly fail to go wrong. | |
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| 09-08-15 11:41am - 3393 days | #5 | |||
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User  Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
What the crap are you talking about lol excuse my English. Since the golden age of porn ended I can count on one hand the number of famous male pornstars. Unless its gay porn, its focusing on the female. I assume you mean you do not like the man to be seen or heard? Really? Ok.
Ok got to defend Ryan Madison here. He produces some of the BEST passionate rough sex porn in the entire industry. Please name me some other REALLY passionate and REALLY rough porn producers? Also he does a great job with multiple pops per scene 1 of which is usually a creampie which is great if you are collecting cream pies. Because he treats women like ladies he gets to film the BEST talent in the industry.
Ok your full of shit. This is not gay porn. I am not gay, I find the male body disgusting and could not find enjoyment in such a scene. Furthermore you gave 0 examples of the type of porn you are looking for 0 examples of a website that does it the way you want it. So this makes it really hard to help you find what you are looking for. I for one loved the golden age of porn where true male porn actors were also headliners. I like the funny porn guys. I like Randy Spears and Lexington Steel. I am not a huge Rocco fan but hes decent, Jules Jordan knows how to put a woman through the paces but I feel like Ryan Madison is far superior in passion. A male pornstar who is great can make a average scene amazing. We live in the age of dead fish one and off porn starlets. And yes to your point this is because it is cheaper to film a girl who will have 5 videos cheap and disappear. That is what makes your Sunny Lanes so special. But this is also what makes great male pornstars stand out, they can bring out the best in otherwise boring women. I agree with you that some male actors are terrible actors. I agree that some male actors talk too much for my taste (But some like the talk). I agree that some male actors to not fuck good enough for my taste. I 100% agree that gonzo is usually done WRONG and cheap. I much prefer gonzo in the hands of a master. I am very selective in the scenes of porn I keep. When I join a site it is not unusual for me to only keep 10 scenes out of thousands in the library. Now is the part where I try to help you. Do not think because we disagree that I do not want to help you. I do want to help you but you gave me very little to go on. If it is POV you want then Evil Angel has some spectacular material that focuses on the ladies. Also the company that does In the Crack is fantastic. If you want sex with a good plot then Blacked.com and Tushy do a fantastic job. If you want solo women then Whipped Ass, Fucking Machines and Ultimate Surrender might be exactly what you are looking for. I always though that the company Porn Mastermind did a great job on Fucked hard 18 and Massage girls 18. Then there is Girls do porn. Passion HD and all of its sister sites try to exclude the male star as much a possible and have some fantastic scenes. Do you like spanking? Because Elite Pain and Real Spanking Pass focus on the women almost 100%. The problem with what you want seems to be if there is good dialog then a male will be involved and thus automatically stricken off of your list? Listen we all have our things that get us off. I am not knocking you for your taste. I am knocking you for suggesting the material you despise has no value to your fellow PU's. So I hope my suggestions have helped you some. There are some great sites out there. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |||
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| 09-08-15 01:13pm - 3393 days | #6 | |
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MikeC
PornUsers Staff  Posts: 102 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
I think I understand Marphel's position (that modern porn is more jockular than years past), and Pats' assertion that it's "more or less a direct result of gonzo porn" is pretty accurate, as I see it. The rise of Bangbros/MILF Hunter/Captain Stabbin (influenced by Seymore Butts and similar producers in the 90s) and the bro/jock performers who were the stars of those sites created a template for porn that I actually think is fading away in 2015. When those sites hit and got big, it wasn't just about seeing the hot girl get fucked, it was about being part of the clique of guys who were fucking the hot women. There was a lot joking and joshing around beore, during and after the sex (the now famous BangBus drive off, for example). The guys weren't just performing for the camera, they were also performing for the guys around them, even if it was just the cameraman. The porn became somewhat aspirational ("I wish I knew those guys"), as well as sophomoric and juvenile. With that said, Pyrenees is right; every generation has maybe one to three "big name" male pornstars that are typically bigger names than their female performers in any one scene. Evan Stone and James Deen are the only two that immediately come to mind. Unless you're a porn connoisseur (anyone reading this notwithstanding. If you're reading a thread on a porn message board you ARE a connoisseur), most guys in scenes are simply stunt cocks. Not sure where the Ryan Madison hate comes from. For one, he's a great performer and Porn Fidelity is a fine site. Second, there will always be sites where the pull IS watching the same guy fuck different women every week, like Ed Powers or Rodney Moore or Jim Slip. But different strokes for different folks. As for hardcore sites that emphasize the female over the male, there are TONS of sites that do that and many of them have already been mentioned. These include the big names like Twistys or 1 By Day, or the Glamcore sites like Nubiles Porn and Erotica X, or even the massage sites (effectively body worship) like Fucked Hard 18. Girls Do Porn doesn't even feature the male performer's HEAD in their scenes. He's just a torso and a cock. If you are looking for something more specific, give me a shout or leave a post in this thread and we'll throw you some recommendations. P.S Ever watch early 70s porn? You could get entire minutes of just hairy insertion shots from the back or below. You sometimes couldn't tell what was going on. | |
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| 09-08-15 07:59pm - 3392 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Thanks, Mike C, for explaining what the OP was talking about, because I really couldn't picture it, but I haven't spent any time checking out the sites that you mentioned as exemplifying the bro-porn movement, if there is/was one. Jules Jordan is a director that certainly delights in showing off the women in his films to a tremendous degree. I'm sure I refer to him a lot in my posts, because I think he's pretty much the best at that, plus has great, hard sex scenes. Personally I think that the gonzo directors like Jules Jordan and Stagliano and Joey Silvera and the people at Hard X do a much better job at showing off the female performers than their feature-director colleagues ever did. The feature-director guys are so busy pretending that anybody gives a flying fuck about the story that they blow the opportunities to show off the female performers in the way that they could. I also think that the best gonzo directors/photographers do a better job than the glam sites, who tend to use filters to the point that I wonder why they even hired the women that the did if they think that they're too ugly to photograph/film so that you could actually enjoy what they look like. | |
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| 09-10-15 11:02am - 3391 days | #8 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
Hi Mike. You have to tell your fellow porn reviewers to check out " Brand New Amateurs " The girls are true newbies of all types, the quality is very good but if you ever wanted to slap a host cross the face he'd be it! What a line of crap lol. Just fyi! Pornpundit | |
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| 09-22-15 08:30am - 3379 days | #9 | |
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Divinx (0)
Active User Posts: 45 Registered: Dec 29, '07 |
Ryan Madison? Love his work. A macho, but not a machista. | |
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| 09-23-15 08:57pm - 3377 days | #10 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
I took one brief look at the sample vid on Porn Fidelity, - which I think features this Ryan guy - and I have to thank you for reminding me why I can't stand hardcore porn. WTF is right. The snippets of the sex scenes looked as erotic and stimulating to me as two dogs fucking. Absolutely nothing there. And I know that this isn't even hardcore "hardcore". This is warm-fuzzy cuddling compared to what some people like to watch. WTF?  You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 09-24-15 02:43pm - 3377 days | #11 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Weewillywinky I am into the most extreme porn possible. I must humble disagree with you on Ryan Madison scenes. He has some of the most brutal scenes in porn that are both consenting and passionate. If you look at my posts I have seen it ALL. And I love his stuff. Now having said that I can understand he may not be for everyone. But he has some hotter than heck scenes man sooo hawt. I can give you specific instances if you want. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 09-24-15 09:01pm - 3376 days | #12 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
No thanks! I have zero interest in watching that kind of stuff. It gives me the same feeling as watching giraffes fight (check it out on Youtube!), or watching scenes of gang violence. It does NOT give me any titillation or sexual excitement to see that kind of aggressive content. It does the opposite. It makes my skin crawl, literally. Please bear in mind, I'm not being judgmental of YOU, the participants in, or consumers of, this kind of content. I am only judging the CONTENT. There's a big difference! I know we all have different triggers and different hot buttons, and that what causes sexual excitement is probably not something we have any real control over. We can control our consumption of material that feeds those urges, and we can control our behavior, but I think - I believe - we are stuck with our biological, physiological make-up, and with whatever happened in our formative years to make certain things more sexually stimulating than other things. Hey look, I get turned on by CFNM material, and I have a wicked cuckold fetish***, as well as a wicked fetish for seeing women in their underwear - and the more ordinary the underwear, the hotter it makes me. I can understand that to you this probably seems absurd. What the EFF can be sexy about a middle-aged woman in a pair of fullcut Hanes Her Way white cotton panties, with a tank top, and just being her ordinary, boring domestic self? Why do I like symbols, pictures, ideas, of the domestic female, the earthy, maternal, sitcom soccer-mom type? Most likely, while I call myself a feminist, there's a deeper part of my reptilian brain that is obviously turned-on by the woman-as-nurterer, the stay-at-home housewife who looks after the kids and doesn't aspire to a career or a different life. We are what we are, we like what we like. So there's no way in hell you're gonna get me interested in that kind of porn.  *** Note I say "wicked". My cuckold fetish is what destroyed my marriage. I had a beautiful - and I do mean beautiful! - wife, and over the course of probably the first two years of our marriage, I slowly and with full intent made her aware of the fact that my greatest turn on was the idea of her going to bed with another man. She was very against the idea at first, but after I explained the psychology of it, the whole alpha male, beta male thing (I'm a beta), she began to warm up to the idea. She eventually began to date a young man she worked with, a very good looking young man who wanted her badly. I wanted him to have her. He did. After fantasy became reality, a few weeks went by and I called him on the phone and threatened him, and after that my wife began to hate me - as I deserved to be hated, naturally - and my marriage was, for all intents and purposes, over, though for the sake of our two kids we stretched it out to ten years. I'm incapable of a healthy, normal relationship with a woman, because I'm an idiot. You're more fortunate than I, I imagine. God bless ya!  You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Edited on Sep 24, 2015, 09:18pm | |
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| 09-25-15 05:29am - 3376 days | #13 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I would like very much if you would start a thread about extreme porn sites that you like and why. I know you like the Kink sites and those by the Adult Doorway, the company that includes FacialAbuse. | |
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| 09-25-15 06:09pm - 3376 days | #14 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
I'd be interested in that as well. I know lots of men, and guys here, even women, like that kind of content. The Porn Fidelity clip just showed aggressive sex - I'm not against aggressive sex with consenting partners at all. I know all about passion during sex, and had some scratch marks myself, when all was said and done. What I find especially intriguing is how and why people can enjoy content that is markedly violent: like Max Hardcore for instance. I saw a scene with him where the girl was impaled on his willy, and he stuck his fingers down her throat, made her vomit, and rubbed the vomit into her face. I had to stop watching at that point, and my guts were seething. I felt nothing but contempt for Max Hardcore for a good long while. I did not and do not understand what could make a man do that to a woman - even if the woman WANTS that! I just don't get it, and maybe a thread on that very thing can help me to grok it. Though even if I understand it, there's no way I would want to consume that kind of stuff, or fill the pockets of the people who make that kind of entertainment. I have a friend on Facebook who's an ex porn performer. She has some really ugly tales of ugly men in the business who essentially exploit young women, get them addicted to opiates, heroin, or other highly addictive drugs, use them up, and discard them like trash. It happens all the time in the industry. How in the hell can anyone determine, just by being a consumer of porn, which producers are good and fairly ethical, and who are the bastards. And how can you tell about the female performers? How do you know they are really "into it", as these unsavory, greedy producers would have you think? I download clips on In the Crack and have to stop watching them after a while, because in some scenes you can just see the contempt in the models' faces. I won't name names, but in some of the early clips especially, there are at least two models whose faces are full of disgust and even contempt, which they can barely disguise. I understand that they have consented to be videotaped and to be objectified, that they are being paid well. But it doesn't help when it comes to trying to enjoy material when the subject is someone who is obviously only doing it for the money, and was perhaps compelled to doing whatever she could to make ends meet. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Edited on Sep 25, 2015, 06:13pm | |
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