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| 08-28-16 01:15pm - 3038 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Reviews & Criticisms Sorry for the length of this, but the following has been bothering me since I became a member. It is meant to be helpful. And don't get me wrong; I love this site. I will leave names out, but there was a recent review by a noobie which got a very critical response, though a well thought out response. Methinks the criticism was a tad harsh and could have been stated more tactfully, even though I agree with many of the points made in the criticism. A number of you write stupendous reviews and I am a grateful beneficiary. Experience with this site as well as a good industry background is necessary to write outstanding or even knowledgeable reviews. An innate ability to write is also helpful. But do we want to scare other users from reviewing because they don't possess these qualities? Even some of the "seasoned reviewers" start to sound repetitious and sometimes it seems the review is generic. However, the thought never occurred to me to criticize any review since the reviewer probably spend oodles of time writing the review. I recall my first reviews and comments on the forum. Admittedly, they sucked. But my motive was pure - to give back to the site that opened a new world to me. My reviews will never be on the same level as some of you simply because I have limited knowledge of the porn industry. One thing that got my goat was that no one ever said thanks, or thanks for trying. Old management even took down some early reviews with the only explanation being the vague statement "refer to the guidelines." I believe in my first post in the User Forum, someone, no names, called me a shill for praising the glories of a particular site. Management said nothing. As a result, for about a year or so, I stopped posting or reviewing. It's a lot easier to sit back, relax and get the benefit of information from others and not have to donate my time. I only started being a little more active when new management took over. Enough said. This is a friendly place and it's not my intention to disrupt things. My intention is to see as many reviews as possible, good or bad. The unintentional flawed reviews should be handled more tactfully. Just my opinion. | |
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| 08-28-16 03:00pm - 3038 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Your recent reviews have been excellent. With lots of details. Your earliest reviews were good, but very short. But still useful. As you mentioned, PU is basically a friendly site. Not a lot of harsh criticism. About a month after I joined the PU site I got a negative trust rating from Anonymous, who wrote: "Reviews are too much like other members and english prof. would most likely think that you copied some material just makes your reviews a little questionable for me." I certainly didn't appreciate the negative trust rating, because it implied/stated that I was copying from other people's reviews to write my own reviews. But you and I have to shrug off criticism. Not everyone thinks we are the greatest. Or honest. Or fine. --------------------------------- As for the review that was criticized: Since you left out names, it's not possible to be 100% certain what review you were writing about. But the probable one that seems to fit is the review of Sins Life by vipguy. pat362 wrote a comment on the review. The original review was short. It gives an honest opinion of a site. pat362 wrote a comment on the review. He was trying to be helpful to the review writer, indicating details that would make the review more useful to PU members. There are some guidelines that were published years ago, by the PU staff, on what a review should contain. And there were some guidelines that were published by PU members on what makes an excellent review, the criteria that should be met. No-one follows the guidelines on what makes an excellent review any more: it's too much work. But pat362 has written almost 200 reviews: they are uniformly excellent: readable, informative, helpful. He has more knowledge about porn sites than almost any PU member, and, from a consumer standpoint, more knowledge about porn sites than the PU staff members. So he knows what he is talking about. And he was trying to be helpful to vipguy, by indicating details that would make vipguy's review better. He was not being overly harsh. I believe he actually spent more time on his comment than vipguy did writing his review. pat wasn't giving harsh criticism. He was trying to be helpful. That's my take, anyway. vipguy took the comment the wrong way. It happens. You (jook) write: "One thing that got my goat was that no one ever said thanks, or thanks for trying. Old management even took down some early reviews with the only explanation being the vague statement "refer to the guidelines." I believe in my first post in the User Forum, someone, no names, called me a shill for praising the glories of a particular site. Management said nothing." I have praised MetArt, one of my favorite paysites, and have given it scores in the high 90s. A few people have written that I was giving the site too high a score. Well, I knew that I would be criticized for giving a site a score in the high 90s, when I wrote those reviews. Because the common belief at PU is that no site deserves a score of 100, and if you give a site a score near that impossible score, your review is tainted. So people believe different ideas. pat362 was trying to give helpful advice. PU is one of the friendliest sites I know of. MetArt is another site, where the community is basically friendly. But I've been told I need a new pair of eyes when I have dared to criticize some of the photosets at MetArt, in the comment section. Which I did not appreciate. And I was told I was impolite. And told I was talking nonsense. To sum it up, you are making valid points: -the PU community is friendly. -criticism can hurt. But I honestly don't think that, in the main, pat362 could have been more tactful in his comment. He was giving advice on how to improve the review. He was not being harsh. Just my 2 cents. (Which, in today's world of inflation, 2 cents is not worth a heck of a lot.) Edited on Aug 28, 2016, 07:03pm | |
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| 08-28-16 04:23pm - 3038 days | #3 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:23pm | |
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| 08-28-16 04:24pm - 3038 days | #4 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Dang, I just wasted 10 minutes responding only to lose the post. I forgot about my rule about copying and pasting, haha. Is there a complaint department?  lk2, I appreciate your detailed comments. Reviews and comments are subjective. We each read the tone of Pat's remarks differently. Call me touchy feely. I agree with virtually everything Pat wrote and it was well-written. However, as can be seen, the recipient didn't see it that way or was put off by the tone. And yes, Pat is one of the more prolific reviewers along with you and in my opinion, a handful of others.I left names out because my issue was more of a general issue and not at all personal. Heck, I even stopped holding a grudge against the person who called me a shill, so nothing personal at all in my comments. They were meant to be general and not a criticism of any individual. Moving on, I have a suggestion for what I think will make reviews more uniform and helpful, while leaving room for subjective comments. Eliminate the pro and con sections and replace them with a series of questions, i.e., CC processor, streaming, downloading, download managers, number of videos, blah blah. Our combined minds along with the staff could probably come up with 25 such questions. Not to digress, but it is very frustrating when a review doesn't mention the type of site, i.e., softcore, hardcore, solo, etc. The pro and con sections seem to have become standardized and many if not all the veteran reviewers are using these sections to include the factual info I suggested. I'm no different but I'm just following what seems to be standard operating procedure. However, it's not uniform. By changing it to a series of questions, chances are all the info will be included so the reader can form an opinion whether to join a site. Of course, the comments section should remain with subjective comments. | |
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| 08-28-16 07:29pm - 3037 days | #5 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
There was a thread started by Wittyguy in 2008, titled: What should a PU review include? https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...57&showPost=7#_7 If you read that thread, you will find an excellent guide to how to write an excellent, comprehensive review of any paysite. The thread also includes a post by Toadsith, who was probably the finest review writer to grace this site. He has intelligence, knowledge, and the ability to write clearly. It's a shame he hasn't written any new reviews in years. If you read this thread, you will gain a solid understanding of what an excellent review should contain. However, the truth is, very few of us have the energy or drive or whatever-you-call-it to write those excellent reviews. We do try to write reviews that have some value, but to write an excellent review is just too hard, too time-consuming. | |
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| 08-28-16 11:10pm - 3037 days | #6 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I laughed a little when I read jook's first post in this thread. I was just re-reading one of my recent reviews last week and said to myself, "Damn I'm getting repetitive". jook, I've been here for over 8 years and to this day, I can't figure out why my experience points score (parenthesis beside your username) is an odd number. Being one of the early reviewers back in 2007 came with the concern by staff that we were in fact shill reviewers. I think the first site I reviewed was Eve Angel's solo website and I gave it a 96 or 98. I was then "awarded" 1 point for the review even though it had everything required to be an "excellent" 2 point review. I wouldn't mention that except I'm obsessive-compulsive, I hate odd numbers  . I've considered writing a much shorter review than I'm known for just to get only 1 point for the review so it will go back to being an even number. My point on that is I'm sure if I had contacted Khan about it, he would have added the other point since I obviously wasn't a shill reviewer. I'll also touch on the part about management not defending or stepping in. A long time ago, myself and another member got into a rather lengthy debate (that's code for a cussing argument). It went on for months. The member seemed to have a hard-on for everything I posted. I spoke with one of the past staff members and was told to read the rules on the porn users homepage. One of them says something to the effect of "We believe in the right to freedom of expression under the Constitution of the United States of America." Which was my sign to go on about cussing the other member. Eventually the staff stepped in and asked us to agree to disagree. That to me is one of the things that has made PU great. None of the members know what's going on in my daily life. They don't know if a critical response to me is going to draw a frustrated reply back from me to their response, but neither of us will get in trouble and we'll both eventually either just give up or get over our problem with each other. You'll rarely find that on online sites (forums, message boards) these days. Most sites would have banned at least one of us, maybe both and showed no tolerance or trust in its members to be adults and work differences out. So look at it that way, if you think a member should or shouldn't have said something a certain way, let them know it. But be prepared for them to reply likewise to you. As for your reviews, I think you do a good job on them. I've got Trike Patrol on my short list of to-join sites since I like exotic women and truthfully, I probably wouldn't have ever noticed that site. One last thing, also beware of the technical problems the site has had. I've tried to reply to several replies over the last few weeks only to see them not show up. Which can easily cause a rift between members who believe the other member isn't replying to them. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 08-29-16 09:57am - 3037 days | #7 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
It can be hard to write reviews as the material we are reviewing is basically the same: Porn site reviews. I try to review the content, quality and does the site live up to its promise. I have had a site owner comment on a review saying he was going to change some things for the better. To me, that is why we write these reviews to begin with. We want good sites out there to spend our hard earned money on. I also go back and edit older reviews to add content and suggest others do the same. Once you start getting a feel on what to write, then it becomes easier. This site is for us as well as the owners. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 08-29-16 03:37pm - 3037 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Since I am certain that I'm the person being talked about then let me explain where I stand in regards to an exchange between me and a new reviewer about his review of a fairly new site. I was a newbie many years ago and that first review (who am I kidding the first 10 reviews) were hard to do because I could clearly see just how amazing the reviews of other reviewers were. My style is basically stuff I stole from those better reviewers so if someone thinks my review is good than you are really saying that their style was great. I don't know if the reviewer thought I was attacking him but that would be my guess. That wasn't my intent. I was simply trying to explain that his review was lacking info in key places and that can be deadly for a new site. Now I dare anyone to tell me if what I wrote was incorrect. In fact I would gladly edit my comments if the reviewer would modify his review but as it stands. His review is almost worthless as you have to use other reviews to know what you are getting for your money. That might not be an issue if we were talking about a 10$ site but this site is charging you 30$ and you really can't tell what you will get based on the review. I will also add that until TBP or Rabbit actually change the info regarding downloads. I will assume that You can't download content from this site regardless of what the reviewer says. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-29-16 03:40pm - 3037 days | #9 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I didn't realize this is an ancient issue and it brings back some nightmarish memories to some, haha. However, I still like my idea of getting rid of the pro and con sections and substitute them with a questionnaire or a series of questions (with no obligation to answer). That will put the generic and factual stuff where it belongs and leave for a little or a lot of subjectivity in the comments. Wittyguy, please don't stop writing or "educating" others. Frankly, I rarely read site rules since they seem generic, like don't spit on your neighbor. I actually completely stopped reading when I joined a site that was ruled by Mussolini. The site had the most archaic and ridiculous rules and the site owner seemed to get his jollies by berating or throwing anyone off anyone who broke them. But I digress. Exotics4me, I really need to either update my Trike review or post a comment. The review should have been written after i had more experience with the site. It's still my all time favorite site but the video quality ain't up to snuff on many videos. They supposedly updated every video to give a top quality of 1080p, but some of the vids are still unwatchable. And the directing and/or camera work seems to be erratic at times. If that sort of thing really bothers you, you might think twice about joining. It bothers me, but I find enough good stuff to make it worthwhile. Thanks to all for your thoughts and more so for posting great reviews. I even read merc's reviews even though I have no interest in his genre of choice, but it's fun reading, haha. | |
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| 08-29-16 04:47pm - 3037 days | #10 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Hey! I resemble that remark! But yeah, I agree that some of us, me definitely included, have become repetitive and dull. I haven't been writing many reviews lately because all I've been subscribing to are sites that I've already reviewed and there haven't been enough changes at the site to warrant a new review. I also agree that we need to be supportive of new members who contribute. One of the hallmarks of PU is how friendly the community is. But I also think the pat intended his words to encourage the new member to give more details. I'm sure I'm not alone here in using the TBP reviews and anything by users when I'm making a decision to join a new site. | |
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| 08-29-16 05:36pm - 3036 days | #11 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
RA, I hoped you would weigh in. I miss your reviews, windy as they are, haha. We seem to have similar taste and I've joined numerous sites based on your reviews. For that matter, the only decent sites I've joined have been based on PU reviews. And again, I did not intend to pick on Pat and don't think I did. I also look forward to his reviews. Heck, I look forward to any reviews, haha. | |
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| 08-29-16 06:40pm - 3036 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Don't worry about it. I didn't feel like you were attacking me. I checked a couple of your reviews and I think they are excellent. Hopefully you will do more of them. I do plan on writing a few in the coming weeks. I just have to get my ass of the chair and do them. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-29-16 07:42pm - 3036 days | #13 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I like the idea of questions as opposed to pros and cons. Too many reviews written by newbies don't have enough information to be useful. While it sounds good to say that we need more reviews, I would much prefer a smaller number of more quality reviews that are useful. Getting newbies to be more complete is hopeless, in my opinion. Many times I have asked questions so that the newbie can elaborate, to find that they don't respond or may give a sarcastic answer in response. If someone feels that spending ten or fifteen minutes putting together an incomplete review that is not informative is what they want to do, that is all that they will ever do. VERY few tiny reviews lead to the reviewer improving and become a regular or even a semiregular here. As far as reviews getting repetitive and therefore dull, we each have our own individual writing style and that is probably inevitable. I can only say that I try to make my reviews interesting. By the way, I don't think that Pat was at all giving the newbie a hard time. I know him for several years now and he is very, very polite and respectful. | |
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| 08-30-16 08:42am - 3036 days | #14 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User  Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Hi exotics4me! If you can give me specific examples/details, I can put more info in the ticket for our tech team. We're working on that timeout issue too!  | |
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| 08-30-16 12:04pm - 3036 days | #15 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Hi Amanda. My whole reply system seems to have issues. #1 I have all boxes checked in my profile to receive an email when there's a reply to my reviews/comments/replies. I used to get one (email) maybe half the time I had a reply. I then checked my spam and a few reply notification emails were in there, so I marked "not spam" and put the PU email address in my address book. It worked for a little while (month or two), then the email notifications completely stopped. I've checked spam, but there's none in there. #2 When I sign into PU, the new replies reminder at the top will be flashing, lets say, "2 new replies" as example. When I click it, it will either open a blank page or it shows replies that I've replied to. I've tried multiple fixes, switching browsers, as mentioned above setting PU's email as a contact, but it doesn't fix it. I thought about trying to uncheck all the boxes in my profile, signing out, then signing back in and re-checking all the boxes to see if that fixes it, but haven't had a chance to do that yet. Oh and timeout issue seems to be fixed for me. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Aug 30, 2016, 12:07pm | |
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| 08-31-16 06:46am - 3035 days | #16 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Thank you very much for the details & prompt reply. What browser do you normally use for PU? | |
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| 09-03-16 02:01am - 3032 days | #17 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
And there I go not being prompt I use Firefox. I occasionally will use Chrome, but I'm having a hard time giving up on Firefox after 10 years of using it. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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