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| 04-22-17 07:12am - 2801 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
TBP / Rabbit reviews Sorry to step on toes, but... I wonder about these reviews. I can't say that I've looked at that many and I might be off base, but my experience has not been as nearly as positive as the reviews on these sites purport. I find them unreliable at best. I hate to say it, but I believe these are not truly independent reviews and need to be taken with a big grain of salt. I suppose what finally made up my mind was joining an off-the-wall site which got decent reviews by these review sites. That site could be among the worst sites I ever visited in most every respect. I understand reviews can be subjective. But jeez, the site is filled with clips, many under 1 minute. Quality is piss poor with almost every video coming in at 480. And upload dates are definitely fishy. They have uploads purportedly as recently as today. I don't believe it. And the best for last... one video had a xhamster logo on it. Edited on Apr 22, 2017, 07:28am (jook: hit enter too fast) | |
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| 04-22-17 08:20am - 2801 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I GIVE MORE WEIGHT TO PU REVIEWS. BECAUSE THEY ARE BASED ON CONSUMERS REPORTING WHAT THEY FIND. I THINK THAT TBP/RABBIT ARE PROFESSIONAL REVIEW SITES. THEY ARE FAR MORE HONEST IN THEIR REVIEWS THAN MOST PORN REVIEW SITES. IF YOU'VE VISITED A LOT OF PORN REVIEW SITES, YOU WILL SOON REALIZE THEY ARE BASICALLY PUFF SITES THAT SAY HOW WONDERFUL EACH PAY SITE IS--TO GET YOU TO JOIN. TBP/RABBIT ARE MORE HONEST, AND TRY TO GIVE THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH SITE. BUT LIKE I SAID, I GIVE MORE WEIGHT TO PU REVIEWS, BECAUSE I CAN RELATE TO THEM BETTER, THEY MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME. HOWEVER, TBP/RABBIT REVIEWS CAN GIVE DETAILS ON A SITE, THAT ARE USEFUL, IN DECIDING WHETHER TO JOIN A SITE. AS FAR AS ABSOLUTE SCORES, I DON'T FIND THEM TO BE ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE. BUT THAT IS BECAUSE: I BELIEVE THERE IS A SUBJECTIVE ELEMENT IN HOW A PERSON WILL REACT TO A SITE. AND A PROFESSIONAL REVIEW CAN'T FACTOR THAT INTO THE SCORE. ALSO, THE SCORING SYSTEM AT TBP IS BASED ON STRICT CRITERIA, THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T AGREE WITH. IN MY OWN REVIEWS, I TRY TO POINT OUT THE PLUS AND MINUS OF A SITE, WITH SOME DETAILS OF THE SITE. BUT I ALSO THROW IN PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS, LIKES AND DISLIKES. WHICH IS NOT ENTIRELY OBJECTIVE, BUT AT LEAST PARTLY SUBJECTIVE. (I TEND TO RAMBLE A LOT.)  PS: WHAT SITE ARE YOU WRITING ABOUT? PPS: I THINK THE FACTS/DETAILS AT TBP/RABBIT ARE MORE USEFUL THAN THE SCORE. Edited on Apr 22, 2017, 08:45am | |
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| 04-22-17 09:02am - 2801 days | #3 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Hey, I'm catching up in the ramble dept. -) The only thing TBP and Rabbit have going for them is when it comes to listing facts, like number of videos, photos, etc. And they do a good job of it, TBP a lot better as you said. However, when it comes to subjectivity, they are both incredibly lacking and full of baloney. They're not as bad as the pseudo review sites that probably have a blatant agenda, but TBP / Rabbit paint a far rosier picture of a site than is merited. I'm specifically referring to Desipapa, which I may do a review on. The only reason for doing a review would be to counter the Rabbit and TBP reviews as well as one insane expired PU review. However, I'm not wasting any more time downloading and I'll kiss my membership fee goodbye. Actually, I did download close to 100 videos (if you can call them that) thinking it would get better. If it was practical, I'd offer to pay for anyone's membership who can honestly say this site is worthy of anything. Edited on Apr 22, 2017, 09:10am (jook: spellllling) | |
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| 04-22-17 09:28am - 2801 days | #4 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
MBAYA POSTED A COMMENT ON THAT SITE YEARS AGO. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HINT. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS YEARS AGO, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCOUNTED: ======================== mbaya (412) 08-26-08 07:53am weak When I was a member about a year ago I was very disappointed. The videos were small clips, not full length and there were none of any quality worth watching. I saved none, not even one video. Very grainy, poor lighting, shot from too far, etc. There were some dead links and the navigation was far too difficult. I suspected that there was more content than what I saw, but it was probably rotated out. I hope there are as many videos now as stated on TBP, but I also hope their quality has improved A LOT. ================================ YOU MIGHT NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIS SCORES/OPINIONS/WHATEVER, HE USUALLY GIVES DETAILS THAT SUPPORT HIS VIEWS. | |
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| 04-22-17 09:36am - 2801 days | #5 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I totally agree with mbaya's comment. However, there's a gushing though expired review by someone who seems to have a vested interest in the site. Either that or he's insane. | |
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| 04-22-17 09:42am - 2801 days | #6 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
QUOTE: "I thought the site was fantastic despite the horrible video quality, cross checks and lack of support." THIS REVIEWER IS SO DESPERATE FOR INDIAN PORN THAT HE GUSHES OVER A TERRIBLE SITE. SOUND FAMILIAR? INDIAN PORN IS A NICHE THAT IS UNDER-SERVED. | |
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| 04-22-17 09:52am - 2801 days | #7 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I joined for that very reason - desperation for Indian porn. But truth be told, I felt like burning my eyes out after looking at the women, the majority of whom ranged from a few pounds overweight to obese and many who looked like they could be collecting social security. Anyway, my point in all this is more about TBP and Rabbit. Very disappointing. And thank God for PU, the only place to get the real skinny on a site.I suppose I still don't understand the relationship between PU, TBP and Rabbit. I thought they were all affiliated with Rabbit joining a short time ago. | |
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| 04-22-17 10:11am - 2801 days | #8 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
MY UNDERSTANDING (I COULD BE WRONG). TBP STARTED OUT AS AN INDEPENDENT SITE. THEN THE OWNERS STARTED PU AS AN AFFILIATED SITE (THEY WERE BOTH PORN REVIEW SITES). A SHORT WHILE BACK, THE OWNERS SOLD THE TWO SITES TO RABBIT, BECAUSE THEY WERE FOCUSING THEIR ATTENTION ON TRYING TO START A NEW PORN REVIEW SITE (THAT ULTIMATELY FAILED). SO, CURRENTLY, RABBIT OWNS/OPERATES ALL THREE SITES: RABBIT, PU, AND TBP. ALL THREE SITES ARE PORN REVIEW SITES. Edited on Apr 22, 2017, 10:15am | |
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| 04-22-17 01:03pm - 2801 days | #9 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I suspect that the TBP reviewers strive to maintain an objective view but I think the biggest drawback to any 'professional' review site is that the reviewers join the site specifically to review it. The advantage to having amateur reviews like those here at PU is that the reviewer is someone who is probably able to spend more time on the site and watch more of what's on offer. For example, I've found download limits where none have been reported on professional reviews. I'm assuming that's because the professional reviewer wouldn't be downloading nearly as much as me and wouldn't hit any limit. Having said that, I rely on TBP and PU when deciding whether or not to join a site. | |
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| 04-22-17 02:00pm - 2801 days | #10 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:15pm | |
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| 04-22-17 03:29pm - 2801 days | #11 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Thanks wittyguy. Sorry I missed the other thread and I appreciate the regurgitation. Everything said makes sense. I'll keep all this in mind next time I read a TBP or another professional review. | |
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| 04-22-17 04:56pm - 2801 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm not sure how aware you are on this particular subject but you are not likely to ever find good Indian porn anymore than you can find good Chinese porn or good Middle Eastern porn. There is a very strong cultural taboo when it comes to people who do porn and it's the kind of taboo that can get you killed so you can understand why women would rather not appear in anything that is remotely close to porn. You can imagine why it would be hard to shoot good Indian porn. Your Desipapa site didn't get better score than any of the other themed sites. In fact most of them all have the same score. What that tells me is that you are better off looking for a different fetish because if you don't than you will only regret each other membership. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-22-17 07:31pm - 2800 days | #13 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
One can dream, no? -) Frankly, I'll take a good part of the blame for joining. If I had noticed mbaya's comment, I probably wouldn't have joined. Then again, I might have tested the fates anyway - it was only $12.47. | |
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| 04-23-17 06:59am - 2800 days | #14 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Thanks for mentioning me and my comment. I also was taken in by nice reviews, so I felt obligated to post a comment. It is very sad that this site never got any better. | |
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| 04-23-17 07:02am - 2800 days | #15 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I never found even one decent site featuring Indian women. I think the one positive review for DesiPapa was a lot of wishful thinking. | |
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| 04-23-17 07:06am - 2800 days | #16 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
That's sad to hear.However, after spending (too much) time weeding through the rubbish, I've changed my opinion of the site if only slightly. I will post a review. | |
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| 04-23-17 11:09am - 2800 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
And you never will. Just look at the number of performers of Indian descent but born outside of the Country doing porn and you quickly see that it's so tiny that it can be considered non-existent. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-25-17 08:32am - 2798 days | #18 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User  Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
You are correct. PornUsers was launched in Jan. 2007 with this announcement: "TheBestPorn.com Goes Big With PornUsers.com Las Vegas, Nevada – The adult review website, TheBestPorn.com is proud to announce the official launch of PornUsers.com. PornUsers.com will focus on adult paysite reviews and comments written by adult paysite members. At Pornusers.com individuals will be able to write reviews, comment on other reviews, leave quick comments and receive replies direct from website owners. Benefits to Webmasters will include the ability to post site news and receive email notifications when new reviews or comments about their sites are listed. Additionally they will have the opportunity to directly respond to users. PornUsers.com will be monitored by an industry veteran Khan. Many may know Khan from his active role at YNOT over the years. When asked about PornUsers.com Khan said “I feel the site is going to be an immediate hit with porn surfers who will love having a place to voice their opinions.” PornUsers.com will be groundbreaking in terms of its size and scope, and have a major impact on the adult review site marketplace. “Our initial market research indicates that PornUsers.com is going to be even bigger than we expected.” says Vegas Ken, Director of Marketing. “I really think that PornUsers.com will drive some of the highest volume and qualified affiliate traffic in our industry.” Rick Muenyong, the founder of TheBestPorn.com is very excited about this launch. "This is definitely the most enjoyable and challenging project we've ever done. I can't wait to learn and read what porn consumers really think. The basic infrastructure is solid and will allow for an unprecedented exchange of valuable information." Both sites were purchased by RabbitsReviews in mid-2015. I may be biased.....  But I would like to say that our reviewing team tries to be as honest and objective as they can. I used to review sites and I could spend hours detailing everything I thought was important, but there are time and even length constraints to consider. This is why I believe PU was born. I see PU as a companion to TBP. I mean, when you get right down to it, a PUer joins a site with a different intention. Our team signs in to give you (or try to) a well-rounded description of what to expect when you join, whereas a PUer is joining because they want to enjoy the content. So I think right there the outcomes will be totally different and I think that's the great thing about having TBP and PU together. The way I always saw it was TBP (or RR) gave you the overview of a site and kinda let you know it was safe and legit to join and then PU could break it down further with the personal experience. We also try our hardest to get outdated reviews (like DesiPapa) re-reviewed so our community gets the most current info. We have our "nominate" button on each review, so please submit a nomination when you see a review that you would like to see updated. If you happen to be a fan of RabbitsReviews as well, you can email me (amanda@rabbitsreviews.com) to suggest sites for a review or update.  Just popping in my  | |
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| 04-25-17 08:48am - 2798 days | #19 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
AMANDA, I SERIOUSLY THINK YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN 2 CENTS. MAYBE AS MUCH AS A $20 GOLD PIECE.   | |
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| 04-25-17 11:41am - 2798 days | #20 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Amanda, thank you for the explanation and history lesson -). And thank God for PU, a site that is one of a kind and incredibly useful. Kudos to Rick for having the foresight to found the site. I could debate whether PU and TBP reviews serve different purposes, but it is what it is. One great thing about TBP reviews is that sometimes its reviews offset strong opinionated reviews by users, lending a voice of reason so to speak. In any event, thank you and the PU / TBP / Rabbit staff for filling a big void and providing us with such a helpful and enjoyable site. | |
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| 04-25-17 12:40pm - 2798 days | #21 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Awww, thanks!  | |
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| 04-25-17 03:14pm - 2798 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't know if you are biased but I have no doubt of the honesty of the reviews on TBP because I remember a time prior to PU when there were maybe 3 or 4 honest porn review sites on the net and as far as I know TBP and Rabbit are the only two from that time that are still alive today. That doesn't mean that I agree with every review on TBP because I don't. I'm not suppose to agree with all of them anymore than everyone is suppose to agree with mine. I also don't always accept their version of facts regarding the content on some sites but I put that down to a lack of info on the part of the reviewer regarding the content. I mean if a site claims to have exclusive content and you have never seen it elsewhere than you will take them at their word until proven otherwise. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-26-17 08:50pm - 2796 days | #23 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
TBP and PU definitely went into the right hands when Rabbits Reviews bought them. You all have kept the high standards on both sites and allowed the forum to be as free-wheeling as it was with the previous ownership - greatly appreciated. | |
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| 04-27-17 11:43am - 2796 days | #24 | |
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A K (0)
Active User  Posts: 9 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
was just reading through the thoughtful comments and I know Amanda said a few things (and said them well I might add), but I just wanted to jump in for a second... I have no doubt that not everyone will agree with all of my reviews and I have zero problems with that. There is definitely some subjectivity at play and while I might have a strong opinion about a site one way or the other I also try to lay out the facts as I see them and let the reader take that and decide what is most important to them and decide if a site is worth it or not regardless of whether I liked it or not - just because something is a major con for me doesn't mean it is a big deal for you, etc... Just like when I read reviews of products or restaurants. I mean, if someone gave a restaurant 2 stars but said the food was great but the waiter was rude and the place was crowded... well, I would probably place more importance on the food and also assume that not all the waiters are rude and I don't have a problem with crowded restaurants so I wouldn't dismiss it because of the low rating. But I also just wanted to say that I have never been told to give a site a high score even if I didn't like it or vice-versa. Sure, that has gotten me in trouble a few times with sites that didn't like my review/score, but that's how it goes sometimes and I think in the end an honest policy is best for both the readers and the sites getting reviewed. AK | |
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| 04-27-17 02:58pm - 2796 days | #25 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
AK, thanks for commenting. However, I'm still a bit on the fence regarding a conflict of interest. It's not personal and I'll take your word that it's not an issue for you. Sorry to say that I never pay attention to whom the reviewer is for the TBP / Rabbit reviews. However, It seems a simple matter that as bad reviews increase, revenue for TBP / Rabbit will decrease since sites will likely pull out. IMO, the only way to avoid any conflict of interest is to have the site funded by users. Again, I have to single out the review for the site mentioned, DesiPapa. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone, even someone only taking a quick look at the site for a review, can't be appalled about some of the worst camera work and video quality I've encountered. The reviews in Rabbit and TBP earned scores 83 and 77. While both reviews did touch on a lack of quality, such a major con was glossed over. While there is some subjectivity involved, video resolution is all numbers. And one camera angle is one camera angle, the vast majority of videos. The reviews weren't glowing, but neither did the reviews mention the extent to which the lack of quality detracts from the site. Lastly, and this is more subjective, the lack of quality in good looking women was never mentioned. On the contrary, only the fact that there are models on the site (I only noticed one) was mentioned. But jeez, there were women that had to be in their 50's and 20+ pounds overweight, some even obese. Again, I am only speaking generally about the reviewers. However, it seems to me it's difficult to prevent a conflict of interest when Rabbit's bread and butter comes from the paw that feeds it. Edited on Apr 27, 2017, 03:13pm | |
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| 04-27-17 04:54pm - 2796 days | #26 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I have to agree with Jook here. I once joined a site based on a review under old TBP/PU management. Once I joined the site, what I saw bore zero resemblance to the review. In fact it seemed to be what the site would have told someone to say and not based on the reality that anyone would have seen in less than five minutes on the site. I doubt that the reviewer ever actually logged in. I will not mention the reviewers name or the site as this is ancient history at this point. I hope that no one presently working on the TBP site would do that. Edited on Apr 28, 2017, 02:34am | |
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| 04-28-17 05:52am - 2795 days | #27 | |
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A K (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
Jook, I completely understand your fence sitting. but just to say that if we did raise scores of crappy sites then folks like you and others would stop trusting our reviews altogether. So, our theory is that if a few sites pull out over a bad review (and it has happened) that is okay with us if it means we keep readers coming back because they know we aren't going to artificially give sites high scores. But, however you use the site and the reviews - either on their own, in conjunction with PU or as just a tool to get certain stats - we appreciate it. AK | |
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| 04-28-17 08:25pm - 2794 days | #28 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
AK, thank you again for your comments and concern. I think the truth lies somewhere in between. In any event, even though there's room for improvement, TBP and Rabbit remain the most helpful and honest professional review sites out there, at least in my book. And nothing out there beats PU member reviews. | |
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| 04-28-17 08:42pm - 2794 days | #29 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I never give much weight to any review site, including TBP. I like the statistics - how many videos and pictures, update schedule, resolutions, etc. But when it comes to ratings, that's what PU is for. I can't help but think that review sites have to have some bit of bias because they're in the business of porn. People signing up for sites have no reason to be biased and can trash a piss poor site in a review if it's warranted. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-29-17 07:51am - 2794 days | #30 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Not to digress, but as long as the subject revolves around reviews and not wanting to open a new thread... I find myself checking other review sites more these days. Perhaps it's my changing taste and wanting to check out lesser known and non-mainstream sites that caused me to stray from PU. To me, a big drawback of TBP is that a site cannot get listed without the agreement of TBP and the site. As a result, many sites that may be of interest are not listed. At least of interest to me. This is likely no news to many or most of you, but I consider myself to still be a relative newbie at all this. There's a plethora of review sites, some that seem to have a vested interest in the sites that are reviewed and others that are independent. Obviously, the independent sites are more objective than the former. However, I found that independence and more objectivity don't necessarily equate to a better or more accurate review. The good news is that I found TBP reviews to be at least as accurate, if not more so. However, generally speaking, PU member reviews are by far the most reliable. Again, the downside is the limitation on sites listed in TBP and hence, the limitation on sites reviewd. I heard about a site that I was interested in joining not listed on PU, and hunted for reviews - korea1818, billed as the only or one of the only truly Korean sites. I stumbled across reviews in "rockitreports" and "allasianreviews." While the information seemed sincere and to have no vested interest, they were not up to muster and not as thorough as PU member reviews. I think the problem with all the review sites, including TBP is, as was mentioned earlier here, PU users look at sites a lot more in depth and critically than anyone else. Random and probably naive thoughts for the day. Carry on. | |
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| 04-29-17 08:38am - 2794 days | #31 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I see you looking into a lot of Asian sites. One I joined quite a few years ago was Asian American Girls. I have not been back since, so I don't know for a fact that they even have HD. However, it was very interesting and as well a different and unique site. | |
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| 04-29-17 02:58pm - 2794 days | #32 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Interesting looking site and excellent review. I may just give it a shot. Thanks. | |
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| 05-12-17 09:21am - 2781 days | #33 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Ive been a member here along time, and the reviews to me seem pretty consistent. I used Rabbits for awhile too the reviews do match what I know about the sites I am looking at. I take more into what is said then a point system. I mean for the most part unless its under 75 then I tends to not look so there is some impact to the scoring but not much. As a business consultant my job is too not just look at what others are looking at but to see it from all angles and be neutral if needed and in-depth if needed. I think PU, TBP/Rabbits all compliment each other. The only part I find daunting is now we have three resources consider and why that may be a plus if you have time it would be nice if all the sites were at one place and intermingles helping the PU community grow and unifying the Rabbit and TBP process more completely. Since 2007 | |
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