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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
2009 Upcoming Movie Thread x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 01:43pm | |
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| 05-19-09 06:21pm - 5696 days | #2 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Ah, I was waiting for this one to be brought up. In all honesty, this movie is too much too late. If anything, the second or at least the third should have been in the future time. While T2 was great and they did a good job at that, it seems after that movie the storyline should have been left alone. However, if anything, this should be the story of right before Michael Bein's character, I think his name was Reese, goes back in to time to stop the first terminator. I would find that story interesting. But, from a trailer I saw, it appears to be about John Connor and his resistance, capturing a terminator with human skin that believes he's human, and so on from there. Plus from Wittyguy's above comment about his being a probable three part series, maybe the third movie will end in Bein's character traveling to the past but who knows. I dunno about it, I can say I'm a bigger Terminator fan than Star Trek but any optimistic thoughts are ever decreasing after terminator 3 and that series they tried to make. Honestly, why can't writers and directors come up with an original story and create a movie as epic as these older ones? Everything nowadays is either an old storyline continued way too after the fact, a remake of an older film that's so pointless, or a 'remake' of a story and movie already made originally by great creators from other parts of the world. I'm getting off topic here but I have to bring this up :( BTW, I hope Christian Bale's John Connor has the raspy and overacting grunt voice he potrayed in the other Batman movies, at least we know it will be humorous. Ok anyways, it's up in the air if I'll see this, it is what it is for me. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 05-19-09 07:22pm - 5696 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm eagerly awaiting this one. It looks really good. I'm not sure which plot line if any they are using. The only thing that is a little weird is that there is a kind of Transformer feel to some of the robots. Not necessarily a bad thing, but kind of out of place. The sad part is that Fox just announced that they were renewing The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It was getting interesting. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-19-09 08:21pm - 5696 days | #4 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User  Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
I must really be alone, lol as I don't watch anything in the theaters. The last one I think I saw was Spiderman 3. I prefer to just wait till they come out on Blu Ray. They look better, sound better, I can pause whenever I want and I don't have to worry about some jackass talking throughout the whole movie. :) As for The Sarah Conner Chronicles, the lastest news from TV.com is that it's been cancelled. http://www.tv.com/story/14890.html?tag=news_list;title;0 and that story is marked as of Yesterday. EDIT: After reading your post again Pat, it sounds like you mean to say they weren't renewing. If that's what you meant, then disregard my post. :) | |
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| 05-19-09 09:47pm - 5696 days | #5 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I gotta say I'm not too saddened as I was hoping it would be canceled midway through Season 1. As pretty as Lena Headey is, she's no Linda Hamilton. The role requires a force of will that she isn't able to communicate to the viewer. That is part of the reason she was the weakest performance in "300" as well. The only reason I muscled through much of it was for Garret Dillahunt's performances as Cromartie. Though they pretended to kill off his character and at that point I stopped watching. A friend later told me that he wasn't dead, but I decided that it was silly to keep watching it for a side character. His recurring character on "Life" was much better anyway. Of course they actually did kill him off on that show, which saddens me. There have been a number of upsetting renewals this year too. "Dollhouse" has been given another season - as much as I like seeing Alan Tudyk's performances - I've found this show lacking the humor and wit that made Joss Whedon's other shows the legends they are. "Chuck" has been renewed as well - unfortunate since they've completely destroyed the character dynamic of the main trio with their latest development. Still, I'm happy to see "Better Off Ted" is getting another season, as is "Leverage" (or A-Team Revisited, as I like to call it). "Burn Notice" and "Dexter" will be back soon too. And of course, the best TV Show on earth, "Top Gear" will be starting up in late June. Movies I'm looking forward to... not too many actually. I'll check out most on DVD. "Moon" looks interesting, mainly because I'm a huge fan of Sam Rockwell. That'll be out on limited release on June 12th. I doubt Michael Bay will disappoint with "Transformers 2", it is a perfect movie franchise for him as long as he remembers it needs to be funny. That's why I'd probably go running to the theaters if they ever announced a Bad Boys III. (Not something to be proud of, I know.) I might check out Transformers in the theaters on June 24th. It'll be a DVD rental, but I really want to see "The Boat That Rocked" - it looks like epic good fun :-) That's hitting the big screen on August 28th. While I accidentally missed seeing "Crank 2", I loved "Crank" and so I'm somewhat interested in "Gamer" since it is made by the same dynamic duo. Gerard Butler and Michael C. Hall just sweeten the deal. September 4th. It has almost become the Duke Nukem Forever of movie titles, but it is finally here: "Where the Wild Things Are" I'm hoping this reviews well and may check it out in the theaters on October 16th. Oh, and in regards to Terminator Salvation. Probably going to pass on that. They really should have stopped at T2. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-20-09 12:27pm - 5695 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 01:44pm | |
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| 05-20-09 05:43pm - 5695 days | #7 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I think Toadsith should be banned because he pays lip service to female beauty but is no true believer. Lena Headey and Summer Glau are both beauties. I give the edge to Summer Glau. They are more than enough reason that Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles should have been renewed. Personally, I thought Crank 1 was much better than Crank 2. Crank 2 did not pack the punch of Crank 1: it didn't have the freshness (originality) or the humor of the first one. I thought Smokin' Aces (another over the top action movie) was pretty cool as well. | |
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| 05-20-09 07:15pm - 5695 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree with your Toadsith's assement that Lena Headley is no LInda Hamilton but I although the show is suppose to be about Sarah Connor. I was watching it for Summer Glau. That is one amazing looking girl. I just wished they could have filmed a few more episode just to see where they were going with the show. There are something that are not meant to be weekly shows. Smallville is a good example. It was great in the beginning but you can only kill or wound the same character so many time sbefore it gets stupid. I haven't watched a complete episode of Dollhouse because it doesn't feel like aJoss Whedon show. My favorite new show is Fringe. I hope that this has a long run. I did find that Chuck was a little less interesting charatcer wise this season but I knew the spy thing had top happen sooner or later. I wish that theyfocus less on the guest appearances bext season and more on Chuck, Sarah and the gang. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-26-09 11:49am - 5689 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Just wondering if anyone saw the new Terminator and what they thought about it. | |
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| 05-26-09 02:38pm - 5689 days | #10 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Speaking of terminator and hopefully not getting too off subject, but has anyone heard about the new James Cameron film, "Avatar" coming out december of this year? I can't wait to see another sci-fi film by the great James Cameron again (about time!). Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 05-26-09 02:46pm - 5689 days | #11 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
People, in real life, can be as sick and perverted as the fictional characters we see in the movies. I think the movie described below might be classified as violent porn, as compared to sexual porn. But I could be mistaken. Does porn have to refer to sexual excitement? If you are stimulated/excited by brutality to a person, does the arousal have to be sexual? But then again, a classic theme in action-adventure movies is where the villain is sexually excited when he kills or maims his victims. This is one movie I will definitely avoid watching. ===================================================================== May 26, 2009 BERLIN (Reuters) - A 2006 horror film based on the real story of a German engineer who killed and ate a willing victim may be shown in Germany, a court ruled on Tuesday, overturning a previous ban. The film, "Rohtenburg," released internationally as "Grimm Love," stars Keri Russell as an American exchange student studying criminal psychology in Germany. In the real tale that horrified Germany, Armin Meiwes, the so-called "Cannibal of Rothenburg," met his victim, Bernd-Juergen Brandes, through an Internet advert in 2001. Brandes said he was looking for someone to "obliterate his life and leave no trace." After severing Brandes's penis and trying to eat it, Meiwes stabbed him in the throat, hung him on a meat hook and cut him into chunks, some of which he later ate. He captured the action on video. In 2006, a Frankfurt court sentenced him to life in prison, rejecting a previous argument that his act of cannibalism amounted to euthanasia since Brandes had wanted to be eaten. | |
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| 05-29-09 09:42pm - 5686 days | #12 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Personal taste: one man's gold is another man's garbage. Having said that, I saw the new Terminator. I would recommend renting Terminator 1, 2 or 3 instead of paying good money to watch the new Terminator with Christian Bale. There are lots of fights and loud explosions, but I actually almost fell asleep several times while watching the newest Terminator. The main reason to watch Terminator Salvation is because it's part of the Terminator series. But that's like saying you watched Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull because it's part of the Indiana Jones series: You're hoping for some of the same thrills and enjoyment you got from the earlier movies, but it's just not happening. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were great Christian Bale movies: great story, great characters, exciting action, etc. Terminator Salvation is dreary (on purpose, it's supposed to be a post-Apocalytic story, but one of hope), but uninvolving: I didn't care what happened to the characters. If Christian Bale had died in the first two minutes, it might have made for a better movie, where someone you could root for would take over. I never realized until I sat through this movie how much Arnold Schwarzenegger added to the Terminator franchise. I mean, I really enjoyed Terminator 1, 2 and 3, and I knew Arnold was due a large part of the credit, but when I saw this Terminator Salvation with Christian Bale, I just didn't give a damn about him in the movie. Like I said, I liked Bale in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, but not in this edition of Terminator. | |
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| 05-31-09 08:22am - 5684 days | #13 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Different tastes indeed I thought the 3rd Terminator movie was a complete snooze-fest. I don't even remember it at this point. I thought that the new one was much better and found it entertaining throughout - it had great eye candy with Moon Bloodgood It's interesting that you refer to this new Terminator movie as dreary, lk, while you liked The Dark Knight better. I found Dark Knight quite a bit more dreary than this one. Bale's acting in The Dark Knight made me think that he had learned acting from a lumber yard - the wood, not the people that work there, unfortunately. As much as Heath Ledger's performance in Dark Knight was exceptional, I thought the movie overall was dreary and boring. So there you go - put these two reviews together and potential movie go-ers probably aren't helped one tiny bit - lol | |
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| 05-31-09 05:56pm - 5684 days | #14 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Personal taste is one reason I don't give a lot of weight to movie reviews. I saw WALL-E, the cartoon/animated feature that made over $220 million box office in the US alone. I've liked science fiction since my early teens, but I couldn't get into this movie at all. I was bored, bored, bored. The site reviews at PU are different from the average movie review: 1. The review can have practical value, pointing out positive and negative features on sites that might be of potential interest to my personal tastes. 2. The review can have entertainment value: humor, insights, sometimes interesting points of view or ideas. I read almost all the reviews, not just for practical value on whether I want to join a site, but to get a taste of what the writer says. Edited on May 31, 2009, 07:28pm | |
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| 05-31-09 06:46pm - 5684 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've yet to see Terminator Salvation but after having seen the three previous incarnation then I expect to enjoy it. Strangely I have heard that many people didn't enjoy the third Terminator movie while I really did. I think WALL-E was less a science fiction movie and more a romance one. There was very little action but one hell of a morale. The fact that it wasn't preachy about it and wasn't knocked down because of the subject matter still impresses me. It is also the first Disney movie in decades that has so few dialogue in it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-31-09 09:39pm - 5684 days | #16 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Wall-E was on cable last night - I would have changed the name to Wall-Paper. Instead I just changed the channel, though I can't say that I found anything much better. Oh, well - lot of good Pixar movies have been made in the last few years. The Incredibles was one that I particularly enjoyed. | |
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| 06-01-09 02:11am - 5683 days | #17 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
PinkPanther, regarding WALL-E and The Incredibles, you mean our tastes actually agree? I think I'm having a heart attack. | |
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| 06-01-09 07:43am - 5683 days | #18 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Strictly off topic, but interesting anyway: A quote from Billy Joel, the singer/songwriter/piano man, who seems to be a straight-thinking guy: "There's nothing better than good sex. But bad sex? A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex." Edited on Jun 01, 2009, 08:12am | |
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| 06-01-09 12:14pm - 5683 days | #19 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
I think the aura and cinematography was great in the Dark Knight. Overall, it was well acted but that voice that Christian Bale used for his Batman really made me almost laugh and actually not like Batman in both of the movies. All-in-all though, I can't say I did not like it, it just overwhelms some scenes and makes it almost unbearable to watch because I am almost laughing so hard from his voice :( I hope he does not use this stupid voice in Terminator: Salvation. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 06-01-09 02:36pm - 5683 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I thought "Dark Knight" was good, but the overuse of special effects, not to mention Bale's Batman-from-hell voice, were pretty distracting and did not really do much for the film. I was also kind of letdown by Heath Ledger's part; it was probably the best role in the story, but people hyped it up as if it was somehow the best performance in the history of cinema. I wish they had edited it to at least try and focus on him and live up to all the hot air. Just curious, what are people's favorite of all the Batman films they have seen? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-01-09 06:23pm - 5683 days | #21 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
My favorite easily was Batman Returns - Michelle Pfeiffer as the CatWoman - mmmmmrrrroowwwrrrr!!! No disrespect intended to Heath Ledger, but had Danny DeVito passed away before that movie came out, people would have had some pretty astonishingly good things to say about his Penguin performance, which was the best acting Danny D has ever done. Oh, and Christopher Walken as the evil rich villain - wow! It's one of those movies that I can thoroughly enjoy seeing once a year - the only one of the Batman movies that I can say that about. | |
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| 06-01-09 07:17pm - 5683 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't know why I didn't go see the Dark Knight in theaters because I truly enjoyed Batman Begins. Instead I bought the DVD and planned to watch it at home. It took me over 2 months before I chose to watch it. I can honestly say that I did not enjoy the movie at all. It's not the acting or the effect. A part is the fact that everyone was raving about Heaths part in the movie. I wonder if everyone would have had the same opinion if he hadn't passed away. Frankly he was the hardest character to belive out of the entire movie. Here is this nut case who's able to bring the city to a standstill and threaten everyone. Ah well, to each is own. I think that the Dark Knight is the only Batman movie that I don't care if I never see it again. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-01-09 07:48pm - 5683 days | #23 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I enjoyed all the modern Batman movies, starting with: Batman (1989) with Michael Keaton and a great Jack Nicholson Joker; Batman Returns (1992), with Michael Keaton, Danny DeVito as Penguin, Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman; Batman Forever (1995), with Val Kilmer, Chris O'Donnell as Robin; Batman & Robin (1997), with George Clooney, Chris O'Donnell as Robin, Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy, Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl; Batman Begins (2005), with Christian Bale, Liam Neeson as Henri Ducard; The Dark Knight (2008), with Christian Bale, Heath Ledger as The Joker, Aaron Eckhart as Two-Face. Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger were both great Jokers, very different from each other. Danny DeVito was a great Penguin. Michelle Pfeiffer and Uma Thurman were lovely eye candy, but also interesting characters that you could root for and appreciate whether they were fighting with or against Batman. Catwoman stood for women's rights. Poison Ivy stood for ecology, always an important consideration in today's world. And this was before Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for climate protection. Batman lives in a man's world, and the women in it don't get the credit they deserve. | |
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| 06-01-09 08:41pm - 5683 days | #24 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
pat362, I think you bring up 2 major factors in the psychology of movies: 1. Your expectations going in to see the movie. If you aren't expecting much, it's really nice to be pleasantly surprised. That's just human nature. So with a hugely hyped movie, it's harder to appreciate what you're watching. 2. Suspension of disbelief. Most movies are not realistic. How many movies would an actual James Bond survive? He'd be dead long before the start of the second movie. Movies (and plays and novels) almost always call for the suspension of disbelief. My problem with suspension of disbelief is not when actors behave in a way that would normally get them killed again and again, or they act in ways I don't understand. But I do have a problem when the actors don't act by the fictional rules we are supposed to accept. The movie, Memento (2000), established Christopher Nolan as a major player in Hollywood. He later directed the last two Batman movies with Christian Bale. The premise of Memento is that the hero has short-term memory loss. He can't remember anything that happens beyond a few minutes. This short-term memory loss was caused by a head injury. The memory loss is vividly illustrated by an incident that takes place in a bar. Several customers spit into a glass in front of the hero. Then, a few minutes later, the hero is given the glass to drink. He starts to drink from the glass, but a sympathetic girl stops him from drinking. If, in real life, the hero was truly suffering from this massive type of short-term memory loss, the whole movie is stupid and senseless. Why? Because the man is able to search for his wife's killer, in a sensible way, based on some tattoos and notes he has written to himself each night. The man drives from one location to another. No problem. He gets into a car and drives. If he really had the kind of short-term memory loss he is supposed to, he would never arrive at his destination, because he would never remember where he was driving to. Once he started driving, he would not know where to drive to. So how could he reach his intended destination if he forgot what it was, or why he wanted to go there? He would never be capable of carrying out any sustained action, because he would forget the goal long before he could achieve it. The man would need a keeper/helper to assist him 24 hours a day. Even during sleep time. Because if the hero woke up, what would keep him from wandering away out in the streets to some random place? Basically, the situation is similar to Alzheimer's Disease, except that in this case the cause was a physical injury to the brain. I could not enjoy the movie, Memento, at all, because I kept thinking how the hero was able to do actions that required short-term memory (such as driving from one place to another), even though he had no short-term memory. And if, by some miracle, the hero was able to get to his destination, he would have forgotten the reason he was going there, long before he reached that destination. The entire movie was stupid, based on the inconsistency that the hero was supposed to have massive short-term memory loss, but he was able to act as if his short-term memory loss was minor and intermittent. I think the critics and movie-going public thought it was a cute gimmick, this short-term memory loss, and were able to ignore thinking about what the short-term memory loss would mean, in real life. We ignore real life in James Bond movies, in Batman movies, so why not in Mememto? I think the action in Mememto is supposed to be realistic, once you accept the premise of short-term memory loss. But the actions are complete fantasy, if there is this massive short-term memory loss, and that's my problem in thinking this movie is senseless. Rant, rant, rant. But this piece of stupidity was nominated for two academy awards, and won a whole bunch of other important awards. Edit: Actually, to be more complete, the man would not be able to drive his car, because he would not remember he had a car. If he owned or rented a car, he would not remember it. That is short-term memory. Actually, I saw the movie several years ago, and it was annoying. My impression is that the man needed his self-written notes and tattoos to even remember that his wife was dead, and that he was searching for his wife's killer. So I would guess that he had not only short-term memory loss, but major long-term memory loss as well. The concept was interesting, but the execution was flawed/senseless. That's my interpretation/feeling. Edited on Jun 01, 2009, 08:57pm | |
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| 06-01-09 10:56pm - 5683 days | #25 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I don't know why, but Memento is a movie that didn't excite me that much in the theater but I enjoyed a lot more when it was on cable - and especially if I watched small portions of it. Good performances and they were able to carry the logic in interesting directions when you watch parts of the movie - as a whole, and especially when you get to the ending - ehhh, not that great. | |
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| 06-02-09 12:58am - 5682 days | #26 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Off topic again. If people want to object to my off-topic posts, I will try to stay more on topic in the future. My personal style is to ramble, at times. Just post that it's better to stay on-topic, and I will try for that. A sad case of real-life dementia: Peter Falk, the star of Columbo, is 81, and has been put in a conservatorship, after a legal fight between Falk's wife and Falk's daughter. ============================================================ ============================================================ June 1, 2009 Judge puts 'Columbo' actor Falk in conservatorship (AP) LOS ANGELES - A judge placed former "Columbo" star's Peter Falk in a conservatorship Monday to ensure his daughter could occasionally visit the ailing 81-year-old actor. Falk's wife of more than 30 years, Shera, will remain in control of his personal care and affairs. Falk has advanced dementia, likely from Alzheimer's disease, one of his doctors testified Monday. Catherine Falk petitioned in December to take over her father's affairs despite a sometimes contentious relationship with Falk and his wife. By court order, she will be allowed a 30-minute visit with her father every other month. Falk's condition virtually ensures he will not remember the meetings, his doctor said. The Emmy-winning actor slipped rapidly into dementia since a series of dental operations in late 2007, Dr. Stephen Read testified Monday, the final day of a two-day conservatorship hearing. Read said it was unclear whether Falk's condition worsened as a result of anesthesia or some other reaction to the operation. Read first evaluated Falk in June 2008 before the actor was scheduled to undergo hip surgery. His dementia and apparent Alzheimer's disease worsened after that procedure, and Read said the actor no longer remembers his signature role in the series "Columbo." Falk won four Emmys for his starring role in "Columbo." He also received Academy Award nominations for movies in 1959 and 1960. For months, he has lived in a guesthouse at his Beverly Hills home that has been converted into an art studio and living quarters. He has around-the-clock care, and Shera Falk testified that she cooks dinner for her husband nightly. Falk in 2005 designated Shera Falk to be his caregiver and the keeper of his estate. Catherine Falk, 38, withdrew a petition to take over control of the actor's finances, saying she was only concerned about visiting her father. The hearing placed a spotlight on a series of slights within the family that led to the court action. Catherine Falk alleged Shera Falk ridiculed her father, slammed the door in her face and cut off contact with him when he grew ill. Shera Falk testified that her husband thought his daughter was troublesome and that they were never close. Her attorney used the actor's personal diary to show how he regarded their relationship in the last decade. Catherine Falk acknowledged during the hearing that a lawsuit she filed against her father drove a wedge between them, but that they had reconciled. She had sued her father to force him to pay her tuition and expenses while attending Syracuse University. Her attorney used postcards and telegrams Falk sent to his daughter when she was a child to illustrate a closer relationship than the actor's wife was willing to admit. As testimony bogged down Monday in a final series of accusations and rebuttals, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aviva K. Bobb ordered attorneys for both sides into her chambers. The attorneys then brokered a compromise in a courthouse hallway that would allow Catherine Falk visitations, but not entry into his inner sanctum. The visits will take place at the home of a friend who lives down the street from Peter and Shera Falk. Shera Falk will not be allowed in the gatherings. "We're thrilled with the result," said Troy Martin, Catherine Falk's attorney. Shera Falk's attorney, Marshal Oldman, also claimed victory, saying the hearing proved that Falk's wife had provided top-notch care and should be allowed to continue that role. He said Falk's physical health is good. "Essentially, this is a family matter," Oldman said, noting that Falk was a private man. "It's important that families can figure out how to get along. It's a good outcome for everybody." Edited by Staff on Jun 02, 2009, 04:42am (Khan: repaired formatting) | |
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| 06-02-09 07:00pm - 5682 days | #27 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You are quite right lk2fireone about the suspension of disbelief being very important when watching a movie. I use it all the time when I'm watching a good movie because I stop thinking that I'm in a theather with a few hundred other people watching something happening on the screen. Instead I'm living in that world. I know that I thought I would be a greta rebel pilot/jedi after watching Star wars or that I would make a great captain for the Enterprise. My issue with the Dark Knight and quite a few other movies is that you cannot a world with it's own rules and regulation and then disregard them for the sake of the story. The first Batman had the Joker has a bad guy but he was by default in charge of a criminal organisation. The joker in the Dark knight was a nutcase who was able to break into the houses of crime lords and kill them or bring the city to it's knees requiring Gordon to pretend to be killed so that the Da pretends to be Batman so that the Joker comes after him and so on. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. It makes for great effects but makes no sense in the new Batman world. It's like any thriller or horror movie where the director decides to spring a surprise on us that we didn't see coming because it makes no sense. P.S: I for one don't mind any and all off topic post. They are sometimes fun and always informative. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-05-09 02:20pm - 5679 days | #28 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Bruno opens July 10, 2009. Starring Sacha Baron Cohen, the star of Borat. Anyone who saw Borat (2006) and got a kick from that should probably see this picture as well. I just saw Borat on DVD again today. That is one sick movie. Insanely funny, even though you have to cringe in parts while watching it. In Bruno, Cohen plays a gay Austrian TV reporter. | |
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| 06-05-09 02:53pm - 5679 days | #29 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-05-09 04:00pm - 5679 days | #30 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Haven't seen "The Girlfriend Experience" with Sasha Grey. The film is in limited release. If it goes wide, I might try to see it. I've seen some short porn movies/clips with Sasha Grey. She is physically lovely, but I don't appreciate her persona of a girl who enjoys rough sex with spitting, slapping, choking, gagging, name-calling, etc. That kind of sex is not a turn-on for me. I assume her character in the non-porn movie is totally different. If it were similar to her porn character, I would not be interested in the film. | |
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| 06-05-09 06:49pm - 5679 days | #31 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've never seen Borat nor do I plan on ever seeing it. I don't judge that type of humour, but I know it's not for me. I assume that Bruno will be much the same except with a Gay charater. I haven't seen the Girlfriend Experiment, but I won't pay 12$ to go see it a theather either. I'll wait until it comes out on cable and it's free. I have seen plenty of reviews and the only reason I would even bother to watch it is to see the quality/talent of Sasha Grey, because the story, characters and filming style seem to be less than impressive. A friend saw Terminator and his review was: Blah! It wasn't worth the money. I should have waited for the DVD. I guess I'll take his advice. Anyway I want to see UP. Rottem Tomatoes gave it a 98% Terminator got only 47. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-05-09 07:02pm - 5679 days | #32 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I downloaded my favorite Sasha Grey vid last night by my fave new director - not on my absolute all-time faves list, but I really enjoy his stuff - candy-colored fantasy filth - Jay Sins. It started off with Sasha & DeAnna Durmond as sexy bunnies hopping around with bunny ears and cotton tails - lots of great ass play, then it got into anal acrobatics - objects being inserted and popped out of their asses - very playful and fun and light and weird and filthy all at the same time. | |
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| 06-05-09 07:12pm - 5679 days | #33 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Have people seen the story about the lawsuit having to do with the new movie? Apparently, as Bruno he went to a charity bingo game for elderly people, asked if he could call a game, then started using a lot of profanity to freak out the old folks. When the woman running the thing tried to get him off-stage she says that he and the camera crew attacked her and she was so freaked out by the thing that she collapsed and became disabled as a result - if the video that they shot - and I'm sure it will be subpoenaed shows the story to be what this woman is saying, it sounds like any profits from the movie could wind up in her pocket. It's one thing to do things to expose people for being racist or whatever, and I think that Cohen has done some good stuff along those lines, but to just do things to freak out old people is just being an abusive asshole - and I have no problem with abusive assholes having their pants sued off them. | |
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| 06-05-09 08:40pm - 5679 days | #34 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The main thrust of Sacha Baron Cohen's humor is from showing people, young or old, in embarrassing or socially awkward situations. In Borat, he pees or shits in public (or pretends to), and the film crew films the reactions of the people around him, who don't realize he is trying to make the people look foolish. Using foul language to freak out old people is part of his act. He is abusive, but that is just an extension of the type of insult humor Don Rickles was famous for. That is why I said the movie "Borat" was sick but insanely funny, even though I cringed (was actually embarrassed) by what he did to some of the people. My impression is that there were a large number of lawsuits filed against Cohen and the filmmakers for Borat, because the individuals claimed it caused them harm from embarrassment and damage to their image. But little if any money was paid out, because Cohen/filmmakers got the people to sign releases if they were in the movie. So I don't know how successful this woman claiming disablement/injury will be. I doubt she will get any significant amount of money from the film's profits, which could be huge. She probably signed a release form. And the first film, Borat, had a US box office alone of $128 million. This was a low-budget independent film that made huge, huge profits. IMDB.com (the internet site for entertainment facts) states: "In contrast to his characters, he is a soft-spoken, gentlemanly Cambridge man who considered pursuing a PhD before going into comedy." That is complete bullshit. Anyone who acts the way he does in his comedy, towards other people, is no soft-spoken gentleman. | |
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| 06-06-09 10:30am - 5678 days | #35 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I don't know how bullet-proof a release form makes anybody when it comes to someone else being injured. You can't have someone sign a release form, beat them up and expect to use the release form as a "get out of jail free" card. Embarassing them, sure, causing injury, it's a question for the courts to decide and it's a matter of what the video reveals as to what they actually did in the scene. We shall see. | |
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| 06-06-09 04:22pm - 5678 days | #36 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Apologies for beating a dead horse. But in lawsuits, or criminal cases, I try not to guess what the outcome will be, because I am a bad guesser. But Sacha Cohen will have very high-priced legal aid on his side, which always helps. NBC Universal called the suit's allegations "completely baseless." "Filmed footage of the full encounter, which took place more than two years ago, clearly shows that Ms. Olson was never touched or in any way assaulted by Sacha Baron Cohen or any member of the production and suffered no injury," said the statement released Friday by NBC Universal publicist Jen Chamberlain. "If the Olsons elect to proceed with their frivolous action, we expect each of the defendants to be fully vindicated." As PinkPanther says, "We shall see" (what the courts decide), but that could take years before the courts decide. ........................................................................................ http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=413089>1=28103 Atty: 'Life-altering injuries' in 'Bruno' case June 5, 2009, 3:19 PM EST LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The lawyer for a woman suing actor-comedian Sacha Baron Cohen over a scuffle at a charity bingo tournament said Friday that his client suffered "life-altering injuries." Attorney Kyle Madison released a statement asking for privacy for Richelle Olson, who sued Baron Cohen on May 22 in Lancaster, Calif. Olson, 39, claims Baron Cohen and a camera crew ambushed her on the stage of a bingo tournament that she organized to raise money for nursing students. "The actions of Mr. Cohen and those acting in concert with him have resulted in life-altering injuries to my client," Madison's statement said. "My focus is her well-being and to secure a fair, just and equitable remedy for her claims. This claim is distinguishable from Mr. Cohen's previous lawsuits as a defendant." The lawsuit states that Olson suffered brain injuries after a fall that happened as a result of actions by Baron Cohen and film workers, and that she now has to use either a walker or a wheelchair. NBC Universal called the suit's allegations "completely baseless." "Filmed footage of the full encounter, which took place more than two years ago, clearly shows that Ms. Olson was never touched or in any way assaulted by Sacha Baron Cohen or any member of the production and suffered no injury," said the statement released Friday by NBC Universal publicist Jen Chamberlain. "If the Olsons elect to proceed with their frivolous action, we expect each of the defendants to be fully vindicated." Baron Cohen's 2006 film, "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan," was a surprise hit. The British comedian is known for crafting outlandish characters and often dupes people into interviews or settings where he films their reactions to his antics. In his upcoming film, "Bruno," Baron Cohen plays a flamboyantly gay fashionista. Several people featured in "Borat" sued Baron Cohen, claiming that his movie caused them humiliation. Olson's claim is the first to allege a serious physical injury. Olson's suit states that she was contacted about having a celebrity call the numbers at the charity event in the desert city of Palmdale in May 2007 for a documentary on bingo. Baron Cohen, 37, showed up as Bruno and began using vulgarity in front of the audience, which was comprised mostly of senior citizens, the complaint states. Olson's suit claims she got into a struggle with the comedian over a microphone, and that he called over his camera crew to accost her and try to provoke a reaction. The suit states Olson went offstage and a co-worker found her sobbing uncontrollably. When Olson tried to stand up, she fell, hitting her head on a concrete slab and suffering brain bleeds, according to an account in the lawsuit. ........................................................................................ Edited on Jun 06, 2009, 04:35pm | |
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| 06-06-09 05:41pm - 5678 days | #37 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I saw his film "Ali G Indahouse" a few months ago. I was at a friends house, so I was polite and didn't try to break his TV or utter too many profanities, but the humor was definitely not my taste either. I understand there is pretty big difference between his Ali G and Borat characters, but the experience of sitting through most of that film kind of hurt my chances of ever wanting to hear from or see him again. On the other hand, I have heard of quite a bit of controversy around "Borat," so I might see it after all, just to see what all the fuss is about -- though in America, it usually seems to be over nothing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-08-09 06:03am - 5676 days | #38 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Regarding "The Girlfriend Experience" ... HDNet had a sneak preview on a few weeks ago, just before the movie went to the theaters so I recorded it. Caught about the first 1/2 hour yesterday. Couldn't get in to it so I didn't watch the whole thing. Much of the camera work looked hand-held, I assume to give it a "documentary" feel. Much of the dialog focused on the current bad financial times. Much of Sasha's part was just reading what designer stuff she was wearing into her notebook. There was a little flash of nudity one time when she got out of bed. Not as much as you'd expect by them having a porn-star in the lead. Perhaps if I watched the whole thing the character development would have made it better but again, I just couldn't get into it. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 06-08-09 06:53am - 5676 days | #39 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Sounds like Soderbergh's "experimental" material - shaky hand-held cameras, characters mumbling with poor audio to make you think you're watching something daring. I'll pass and look out for more of Sasha's Evil Angel stuff - she did a great scene for Stagliano's "Stretch Class" series that was posted on the Buttman.com site a week or two ago - mmmmm - deeelicious! | |
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| 06-08-09 12:49pm - 5676 days | #40 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I liked Get Smart when it played on TV as an original series. Thought Barbara Feldon was adorable, Don Adams was crazy (but a little irritating at times). Did not understand why Barbara Feldon did not have a cameo in the movie version of Get Smart (2008) with Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway. I did not enjoy Get Smart (2008) the movie. Thought it was a waste of time, and will not bother furnishing a PU-style review to back up my opinion. :) Now I read that Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway are set to make Get Smart 2. U.S. box office for Get Smart was $130 million, so you could see a sequel coming. But what a waste of time and talent. | |
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| 06-08-09 04:41pm - 5676 days | #41 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Will they ever stop remaking, re-releasing, or just plain rehashing old TV shows? Of course, if the film adaptation makes that kind of money, a sequel is pretty much guaranteed, and I all can do is add another release to the list of movies in which I have no interest. I like it when they take a successful current show, and, just once, make it into a film, like "South Park" or "The Simpsons"...at least for now. This way, you have the original creators still around who can usually keep it from completely bombing. I wonder what Toadsith thinks of "The Prisoner" as a movie? I have heard they are remaking it for TV and possibly for a feature length film, but I am sure many have their doubts. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-08-09 05:27pm - 5676 days | #42 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The major asset of "The Prisoner" (1967) was Patrick McGoohan, the star. I don't see how a re-make will have anywhere near the value of the original. | |
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| 06-08-09 07:10pm - 5676 days | #43 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm the complete opposite on Get Smart. I loved that movie. I think it's the best movie based on an original TV show. They were able to keep the essence of the show and add to it. Steve Carrel's Max is not a bumbling idiot but an actual smart and talented agent who just happens to also be goofy. I'm not sure if another Get Smart is such a good idea, but I'm willing to give them a shot. I would have been real surprised if Barbara had made a cameo since she didn't even make the Nude Bomb with Don Adams in the 80's. On a different note. Take a look at John Staglianos' review of The Girlfriend Experiment. it's by far the best and most insightful review I have read so far. http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=35261 Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-08-09 07:24pm - 5676 days | #44 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-08-09 07:39pm - 5676 days | #45 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Can I throw in another part of your comment and say REMAKING of foreign films by an American director? I will give an exception to Vanilla Sky though, I found both the original and American version to be well done. However, it is still kind of a pointless remake of a good film to begin with, I don't know what it is about Americans not being able to watch subtitled films and directors feeling they need to 'remake' these usually great films for a QUOTE ON QUOTE, American audience. Give me a break. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 06-09-09 06:44am - 5675 days | #46 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
For 50% of the gross revenues, I am hooking you up with a film distribution center. "Nowadays, you push a button and a movie appears," John Young said. "There's fun in the inconvenience of having to get off the couch and go somewhere you might not be familiar with, maybe getting rained on, maybe being cold. It makes it an adventure." With a marketing genius who turns negatives into positives, and a sure-fire script from a legalistic genius like Wittyguy, I can already taste the millions that will be rolling into my pockets from this great movie I helped to create, called "The Prisoner Unchained Meets The Terminator At Batman's Cave." ........................................................... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_e...s_guerrilla_drive_in 'Guerrilla drive-ins' turn nostalgia on its head By JOANN LOVIGLIO, Associated Press Writer PHILADELPHIA - Think the only way to see a big-screen movie is while slurping a 64-oz. soft drink, eating a $5 candy bar and shushing the wannabe film critic behind you? That's not the case anymore, thanks to people like John Young, creator of the West Chester Guerilla Drive-In and part of a loosely knit network of celluloid renegades resurrecting the drive-in for a new age. "Nowadays, you push a button and a movie appears," he said. "There's fun in the inconvenience of having to get off the couch and go somewhere you might not be familiar with, maybe getting rained on, maybe being cold. It makes it an adventure." For the past four years or so, the 38-year-old Web developer has been showing films -- real, honest-to-goodness 16mm film -- from a 1970s school projector mounted on the sidecar of his 1977 BMW motorcycle. He has presented more than a dozen movies at locations suited for the theme: "Meatballs" at a canoe rental center, "Caddyshack" on a golf course, and most recently, "Ghostbusters" at Fort Mifflin, a favorite haunt of paranormal investigators. It's not exactly an evening at the local multiplex -- and that's the point. "What a great idea. What a great way to see a movie," said Jim Haighey, of West Chester, one of more than 60 people watching "Ghostbusters" projected in front of the fort's 211-year-old Citadel. All had to first find a hidden AM receiver in West Chester transmitting a secret code before being e-mailed the location of the movie. It was a soggy night at the Revolutionary War fort on the Delaware River, and the 1984 comedy was interrupted every few minutes by planes zooming just overhead on their way to the runways at nearby Philadelphia International Airport, but that only seemed to add to the moviegoers' enjoyment. Guerrilla drive-ins or "MobMovs" -- shorthand for mobile movies -- are popping up around the country in a variety of configurations. Unlike Young's old-school use of real film, guerrilla drive-ins typically eschew the analog in favor of DVDs and LCD projectors. And while West Chester's guerrillas bring lawn chairs to watch their movies under the stars (weather permitting), other groups maintain the drive-in tradition of watching from inside their cars. Audio is heard through each car's radio by way of an FM transmitter. Whatever the arrangement, guerrilla drive-ins give new meaning to the phrase "community theater." People can get up, walk around and socialize during the show if they wish, with some MobMovs taking on the feel of tailgate parties. Eric Kurland, 41, an independent filmmaker living in Los Angeles, runs a popular 4-year-old weekly showing, HollyMobMov. "I miss the old drive-ins," said Kurland, who remembers the thrill of seeing "Star Wars" in 1977 at a long-defunct Pennsylvania drive-in near his home. "It's like nothing else, and people are really hungry for that kind of experience." And though they're decidedly do it yourself-style, all aspiring MobMovers are urged to keep it legal and secure required approvals from property owners and film distributors, who charge roughly $150 to $300 for a showing. Guerrilla drive-ins are typically free, with attendees' donations used to offset the organizer's expenses. Since 2005, 28-year-old San Francisco Web developer Bryan Kennedy has shown classics, as well as independent films looking for distributors, and runs MobMov.org, a site that lists 240-plus movie mobs around the world. "A lot of independent filmmakers are enabled by modern technology (to make their own movies), but the area where they're not enabled is distribution," he said. "There's no channel for them to get out there, no audience interaction or feedback. We can help support that." ___ On the Net: West Chester Guerilla Drive-In: http://www.guerilladrivein.com Hollywood MobMov: http://www.hollywoodmobmov.org/ MobMov: http://mobmov.org ........................................................... | |
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| 06-09-09 07:09am - 5675 days | #47 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Foreign films - I was lucky enough to live in Boston at the height of it's cinephilia - there were countless movie houses showing classic movies and foreign films in their original languages. It seems like in the 80's it started to get more difficult for foreign films in their original languages to get distribution in the US - instead domestic film production companies would license the rights to remake the films they wanted as American films - and most of them are crap. I gotta admit I saw a lot of mediocre foreign films when I was going a lot, but the remakes tend to be even worse - with some exceptions - I hadn't realized that Vanilla Sky was a remake - I thought it was an interesting film. | |
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| 06-09-09 07:26am - 5675 days | #48 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I am considering seeing The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 (2009) with Denzel Washington and John Travolta this weekend. I saw the original back in the 1970s and don't even remember it, except that it had to do with a New York subway. I'm trying to keep my expectations down, so I won't be disappointed by the actual movie. But with Denzel Washington and John Travolta, I'm hoping for a decent movie. Maybe we can get Denzel or Travolta in our new movie, "The Prisoner Unchained Meets The Terminator At Batman's Cave." None of the major roles have been cast yet. What does Wittyguy have to say about my choices? The script is his responsibility, but creative input is always welcome. I've just promoted myself to Movie Producer, by the way. I will be taking donations from PU members on the financing of this first Mega-Movie venture. | |
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| 06-09-09 08:03pm - 5675 days | #49 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The American industry earned $9.8 billion at the domestic box office in 2008 and another $28.1 billion abroad, according to the Motion Picture Association of America. I did not realize how large a percentage the foreign take was for U.S. movies. I thought it was about 50% domestic, 50% foreign, but it's more like 26% domestic and 74% foreign, at least in 2008. | |
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| 06-10-09 10:16am - 5674 days | #50 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Incest at the Playboy Mansion? I've always respected Hugh Hefner. He was my idol in how to dress, how to behave while I was growing up. But I recently read that his [sexual] relationship with Kendra Wilkinson, one of "The Girls Next Door," has ended, and that she is now friendly with NFL Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Hank Baskett. Miss Wilkinson and Hank Baskett are so friendly, in fact, that they are now expecting their first child together. Miss Wilkinson is planning to marry Baskett at the Playboy mansion on June 27. Before he popped the question, Baskett said he wanted to make sure her ex, Hugh Hefner, was cool. "Hef is like a father to her so he's going to be the one to give her away," Baskett recently said. "That's why I wanted his blessings and her mom's blessing." My problem is that since Hef is like a father to Miss Wilkinson, what was Hef doing having sex with the lady? Put another way, I know that people bullshit, but for a man to say the former lover of his fiance is like a father to his fiance, seems a little strange. Edit: Maybe Baskett really meant to say that Hef is old enough to be Miss Wilkinson's great-grandfather, and that he really respects Hef for his stamina and drive, and that's the way Baskett will be as a father, when he gets to be that old. Hugh M. Hefner born 9 April 1926 age 83 Kendra Wilkinson born 12 June 1985 age 23 -------------------------------------------- age difference 59+ years Edited on Jun 10, 2009, 11:36am | |
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