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| 02-02-11 03:23am - 5072 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Never underestimate hackers; They're insidiously crafty I am the sole owner and user of a single computer, which I have loaded with all kinds of anti-virus, malware, keyloggers, firewall, registery guardian, as well some other software directly programed to protect my computer. I have a pretty savvy technician who's on call for me should I need him. Even with all that, wily hackers will slither their way to critical control centers where they dig in and seemingly set up impenetrable force fields. These vermin are so tenacious they'll even piggy-back on software transfered from an old or discarded computer onto a brand-new one. This should especially create caution for those who have huge storage devices (external harddrives) that are being reconnected to a new operating systems. No one knows the importance of this better than one who's been victimized. Personal experience: Allowing remote assistance from whom I thought was a Microsoft tech -- on an occasion over four years ago to get help with a software problem -- I let this woman take over my computer to find the answer to a nagging software matter. If, however, I knew then what I strongly suspect now, heaven and earth couldn't have moved me to let her in. I now have every reason to believe this Asian woman that I trusted -- who answered a number I got here from what I preceived to be a ligitimate source at MS headquarters -- was in fact connected to a very sophisticated group of hackers. In my case, being unable to shake these snakes through two operational system upgrades, the evidence leads me to be convinced they've stolen administrative privelge which, in effect, gives them complete, invisible, control. Changing passwords, ownership names... no matter what I do, the evidence is still there staring me in the face. There is a way, (If you're going anew with upgrade or new computer) as painful as it is, that will send these guys into outer-Cyber-oblivion: Sadly, that course would be to trash anything and everything associated with my existing computer -- which includes years of porn collectables. If this is what hackers can do with just a single operating system within just one computer.... I shutter to think what webmasters are going through. To those WMs, for their relentless battle with even more of a distructive bred of these bloodsuckers, I give a hardy bow and tip of my hat. I'm throwing this out there in case it'll give an unsuspecting and perhaps vulnerabley susceptible computerphile something to think about. .  | |
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| 02-02-11 04:12am - 5072 days | #2 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Thanks for the cautionary tale graymane. I hope you're able to get any lingering issues resolved. I'm like most people, I roll my eyes whenever I hear of someone being duped by a scammer and think to myself that I'm too smart to fall for something like that. But experience shows otherwise. Several years ago I got an email from my ISP. The message was that I had a virus and was spreading it from my PC infecting other customers and that unless I cleaned it off, they'd shut me down. For me, being shut down means no more porn, so I ran the attached .exe file. As soon as I clicked on 'run,' I knew I'd made a baaaad choice. That seriously screwed me up. My poor PC need professional help after that. More seriously, I work with a guy who was duped out of $20,000 by a scam. I'd like to think that I'd have seen that one coming, and all the warnings were there, but I guess when we're in the middle of it it can be hard to see. You might have the odd comment that you were a fool to believe this person, but I don't agree. Scams work by making us think that we're safe and they prey on the sense of trust that most of us have. Good luck with this and I hope it doesn't impact too much on your participation here. I also hope that you're able to salvage your collection. If you do, you owe it to yourself to back it up. Maybe a group of computer owners could take some vigilante action and tar and feather a known hacker sometime. Let me know if you catch him: I'll bring the tar. M | |
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| 02-02-11 06:36am - 5072 days | #3 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It does help at times, being paranoid. There seems to be a general feeling that viruses don't travel from computer to external drive, but I'm not so sure. Before I transfer anything to external drive I always do a virus and spyware check. It probably makes no difference but it's about the best I can do. Some are so darn clever the can do just about anything with computers. Only consolation is, if you were ifiltrated years ago, it could be an old programme that you may be able to get rid of eventually, because of advances. The rearadmiral post is a situation I have encountered. Thankfully I ignored it and immediately did an anti virus check. I am also suspicious of anything that says update, even if it is a programme I have on the computer. | |
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| 02-02-11 08:35am - 5072 days | #4 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Graymane.. Eughh... you do not know the 'alf of it! (mistresskent gets on her soapbox once again, takes a deep breath and pushes her chest out like a courting bird) These recent "hackers" are actually credit card wielding customers willing to part with 25 unique passwords (my site being one of them) to various websites in order to get double, triple or even quadruple the amount of passwords in return!! They have no idea what they are doing to the adult media world. And to think, when I went in the chat room and asked nicely for them to take it down, they laughed at me and said the only thing that is the problem is that now it is already ripped and out there for free. Life. You live, you learn, you harden up! I do know, that I have personally sat here looking at my screens, banning every individual i.p password sharer myself for the last 15 hours, just to reduce the impact of these lovely people. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 02-02-11 09:15am - 5072 days | #5 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Mistress Kent, I'm guessing you're aware that there are programs you can run on your servers that curb multiple logins with the same password from different IP's. If you're not aware of them, ask at any of the adult webmaster resources and they should be able to help you out. Sorry you're having to go through all this. Leaves you feeling violated, doesn't it? Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 02-02-11 10:53am - 5072 days | #6 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
This may be a sign that I like porn too much, but hearing stories like Mistress Kent's seriously pisses me off. For those of us that appreciate all the work that sites and studios do (and that's probably the vast majority of regulars here) it is obvious that hackers and pirates are a serious drain on people creating new material. While I have on rare occasions shared a scene with a porn buddy, I did it more as advertisement than as a means to defeat a copyright. I figure if I can interest a friend in a site then he might send some business that way. It has worked in the past. I think that tar-and-feathering would be a good start for these bastards. I'll bring the tar. Just call me. | |
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| 02-02-11 11:11am - 5072 days | #7 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Hey, rearadmiral, I thought we Canadians were supposed to be laid back and genteel!  But I completely agree with your sentiments, we have large agricultural areas nearby, so I'll bring the feathers!! To use a relatively new term: those guys are scum buckets! | |
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| 02-02-11 02:16pm - 5072 days | #8 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Makes ur little grey hairs curl! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 02-02-11 02:35pm - 5072 days | #9 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
LOL.... don't'cha know it, JB? and it's stuff like this that's makin' them leave so fast. | |
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| 02-03-11 02:00am - 5071 days | #10 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
It does Khan... very violated, to the point that I nearly cry sometimes. I've been hacked and password shared a few times before. Now you are probably going to laugh here, I'm pretty well knitted up with security and have never used or had the need for buying security programs... I learnt that mistake a long time ago, was able to stop it as soon as my "not-so-clever" slave noticed the spike in bandwidth (4 hours) Yes it means manually sifting through tons of script, but finding the original source isn't hard and stopping it just takes patience, but it does teach you how to deal with these things in the long run, rather than trust one program to keep out the MILLIONS of viruses, hackers, password sharers, worms and anything else thats new. Because all these people do is search for a "New way in" Just to think... if it was all automated, then I wouldn't check at all. You can only trust yourself to do it correctly. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 02-03-11 06:13am - 5071 days | #11 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Yeah, hackers and virus-writers are damned virulent and increasingly aggressive. I had a similar situation to Rear-Admiral - not an e-mail, but a slew of pop-ups telling me that I had a virus and needed to run the anti-virus. Since it wasn't my anti-virus, I answered, "No" - wrong answer - there is no answer except to shut down your browser completely when you get such a pop-up. Then the virus got the info that I was using Norton anti-virus, so it masqueraded as Norton anti-virus and I mistakenly answered "Yes", then realized I'd fucked up when I had no more internet connectivity - cost me $140 at a computer repair shop to get that fixed. But I found out a week or two ago that it's not entirely fixed. I was surfing and all of a sudden one of those anti-virus exe's started downloading to my computer without my having clicked on anything announcing it. I shut down my browsers as fast as possible and ran a complete system scan. I then re-started my computer and had some weird message about a virus scan that I had to run and found that I was blocked from the internet. I took it back to the same computer tech. He told me that with the previous attack, there was a channel opened to my computer so that if I happen on a web-page infected with that same virus, it will download without my doing anything. He was able to help me this time very quickly and inexpensively - $30 - due to the fact that my Norton anti-virus had blocked most of the virus and he just needed to do some clean-up to get the rest of the problem and eliminate the block to internet access. But the only thing I can do now to prevent the virus from downloading again is to watch where I surf and listen to my anti-virus when it's telling me that there are dangers associated with certain sites. As they used to say on Hill Street Blues - "Be careful out there!" | |
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| 02-03-11 11:43am - 5071 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Very interesting, panther. I'm experiencing the same kind of stuff after being blind-sided by that phony microsoft technician. God only knows how many of their friends they're lettin' in, cuz I can hear the evidence of their downloading and see the swelled logs indicating their many visits. When I go after them I'm stopped cold.... because the theif who stole my Administerive powers simply won't let me in the files. The damned temerity of these guys are astounding. It's my own fault that I haven't sought out better help kickin' these vultures' asses out, but I hesitate because of all the porn scattered about they'll find.  Well... one day at a time. Edited on Feb 03, 2011, 11:48am | |
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| 02-03-11 05:30pm - 5071 days | #13 | |
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SimonSubAms (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 24 Registered: Mar 02, '07 Location: UK |
Mistress Kent, you don't use any password security? There's a large number of very good programs available that will enable you to sit back and make your porn without having to worry about hackers and password traders. The best is Phantom Frog. Not only does it immediately block unauthorised password usage but it changes the password so that only the person that joined the site can retrieve the new one using the e-mail address he joined with. The member can retrieve it instantly this way without having to wait or contact you. Most aren't blocked due to sharing passwords, they're blocked due to hackers/brute force attacks. This means legitimate users often get blocked through no fault of their own and are more often than not a bit pissed off about it, and rightly so. From monitering usage for many hours a day I now spend next to no time dealing with password issues and can leave the house, go on holiday or fly to the moon, happy in the fact that my site is secure. There's a lot more it does that I won't go into here, suffice to say it works very well and I highly recommend it. E-mail me if you have any questions, I'd be happy to help. Simon http://www.suburbanamateurs.com/freeview/ | |
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| 02-03-11 05:37pm - 5071 days | #14 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
combofix it does wonders for cleaning up an infected computer | |
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| 02-03-11 10:04pm - 5070 days | #15 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Your approach is all wrong. You're probably getting yourself into trouble grabbing at any "protection" software you can. Get rid of whatever anti-virus, malware, keylogger, firewall, or registry guardian software you have on your computer. (1) I think they are your problem, and (2) even if they are not they are clearly not protecting your computer to your satisfaction. Uninstall it all. Just install *one* anti-virus software, I would suggest Kaspersky, is available from their website or from Best Buy in box form. Chances of all your troubles hapenning because of a tech call 4 years ago, is about as slim a possibility as they come. | |
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| 02-03-11 10:15pm - 5070 days | #16 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Not really, at this point your guy is just guessing at the cause. Or you didn't understand him entirely. Keep Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader, and Java updated to the latest versions. Windows Update turned on. Should be fine. Have that issue again, run a tool called combofix, it'll take care of those fake anti-virus programs much better than anything else out there. | |
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| 02-04-11 12:33am - 5070 days | #17 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Many thanks for taking an interest in my problem. It will interest you to know I replaced (cable server-provider McAfee) with the full Kespersky package ... which I've had and upated for well over a year. To tell you the truth, I have a love-hate relationship with Kespersky. I love it's broad array of protective features, (you'll say this is paranoia) But I suspect the demons who've taken over my computer is manipulating the program ...especially the firewall. Not only that, but two infections that hit my computer completely disable the whole program. I had to completely re-install it off it's website. Even as I'm typing this, my modem is clicking away.... the same sound I hear when I'm downloading. You appear to be pretty savvy with your offering relating to software issues... And I'm actually thrilled you've brought up these suggestions.... but considering the nature of my battle with this situation, you'll forgive me ,I trust, if I have to appeal to you to do a little better to make me a believer. | |
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| 02-04-11 03:49am - 5070 days | #18 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Hi Simon, a UK guy cool... kinda local. I'm not adverse to your suggestions at all, merely asking for your return to gain confidence in these "security programs" A bit like paying into a porn site, I then become a customer, relying on a company to be careful with my monthly payment. The bit that bothers me about all this password/security programs etc, is you become reliant on them to secure your site. Yes you can go on holiday, but no "program" is infallible. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 02-04-11 05:25am - 5070 days | #19 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
That's what the tech guy used when I brought it to him, actually - It was the final thing he ran anyway. He had to have done some other stuff to get the path to the internet un-blocked or he wouldn't have been able to download and run combofix. Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 05:37am | |
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| 02-04-11 06:12am - 5070 days | #20 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
As there seems to be some interest in combofix, I thought I'd post a link to the "official" combofix guide ... http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix ... especially since it suggest not running the program unless you know what you're doing. I personally have never used it but just the discussion here was cause enough for me to bookmark it. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 02-04-11 09:02am - 5070 days | #21 | |
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SimonSubAms (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 24 Registered: Mar 02, '07 Location: UK |
Yes, you do become reliant on them to secure your site because that's what you pay them to do but after watching everything for a few days you soon realise just how good a job it does. http://www.suburbanamateurs.com/freeview/ | |
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| 02-04-11 01:02pm - 5070 days | #22 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
There is always activity between your modem and the internet. There is always activity between your computer and the internet. That will never go away unless you disconnect the plug. But just because you didn't manually initiate the traffic does not mean it is malicious, nor does not mean you have some phantom invincible infection by an elite hacker group that no one has figured out how to detect 4 years later, capable of reappearing after two reinstalls of the O.S. No anti-virus software is perfect, you name any, and I've cleaned up an infected computer with that software installed. Viruses and malware that target Windows computers are almost never destructive, and if they are destructive, it's usually by mistake, not by intention. They do not operate how you describe in your initial post, they do not spread how you describe. How do I make you a believer? Simple answer is I don't think I can. Best I can do is put in a few words so other onlooking readers don't automatically get swept up in the excitement  I've been repairing home computers for 15 years, do work for about 30 different small companies. The hardest battle in the "malware" cleanup over those years was trying to explain to certain people that the 200 new tracking cookies found on the computer every day, are not harmful, despite their software labeling them as critical threats.Then on the server side, webmaster side, that is a whole other beast. Those systems need to be scrutinized much more thoroughly than home computers and monitored daily. With that, have the site hosted at a good company, where one or two people can handle the bulk of the security monitoring on 100-200 websites. Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 01:31pm | |
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| 02-04-11 05:49pm - 5070 days | #23 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Good advice for the un-tech-savvy like myself. Even having seen a tech use the thing, I'd be happier paying him $30 and feel confident that he was doing the right things (since he's had my machine twice and fixed it rather than fucked it up) than to wing it myself and regret it. | |
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| 02-04-11 06:45pm - 5070 days | #24 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I am honestly glad to see an expert in this forum because something has been bugging me for weeks. Let me state first that I don't go to suspicious sites, ever, but a couple of weeks ago a little notice popped up as I was starting Windows 7 that I was running an unauthorized copy of the OS and to get in touch with Microsoft about it. I closed the window, Windows loaded as usual and I haven't seen the message since then. The security updates from Microsoft have kept on coming so quite obviously I'm legal! Is it a Virus? A Glitch? What would be your guess? Please tell me it's most likely the latter.  | |
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| 02-04-11 06:46pm - 5070 days | #25 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Quite an impressive resume, anyonebutme ..... too bad you aren't set up right around my corner, wherein you could get your hands on my computer problem .... because there's nothing more, in my all-consuming love affair with my computer, do I want more than to be absolutely proven wrong about my suspicions. I know the behavior of this baby like the back of my hand ... and I can truthfully say to you that it's functioning now is far removed from that of the earlier months after it was purchased....and before that so-called microsoft tech marched in on a remote-pass, assumed ownership and began moving stuff around. But, again.....my heart-felt thanks for your input. BTW..... nice to have an in-house computer expert with whom we can communicate these kinds of things.  | |
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| 02-05-11 08:56am - 5069 days | #26 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I know what you mean Graymane. There are certain levels of noise and activity that we get used to. It's like knowing noises in your own car. You know the ones that should be there, and those that mean trouble. I got some of these noises about 14 months ago, and sure enough it turned out to be a virus. It's inevitable if you surf the net you will get one eventually, even if you stick to safe sites. I had to take it in to have Windows re installed. This is the longest I have gone without getting a bad virus. Our computers are all living on borrowed time. What's happened to your computer sounds really bad. The main thing is are your external drives infected in some way? I have been told it is not likely that something can spread to them, but any expert out there may be able to confirm this. The main thing is to save anything valuable to external drives. It's not just the porn. If you work hard on blogs or articles then it's a real pain to have hours of work wiped out. Sometimes I copy and email those to myself while I am still working on them. But if external drives get infected, and it souds like you think yours are, then you can be in real trouble. Incidentally, keeping copies of everything on two exernal drives is useful, because they will eventually break down, and all is lost. Edited on Feb 05, 2011, 09:00am | |
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