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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Does Religion Belong in Porn? Does Religion Belong in Porn? Looking at Christian based religions are easiest.. There are no big or little sins. Sin is just sin, so if I am a lier it's the same to God as fornicating my body for money, or watching one do that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" that's in the scriptures just not sure where exactly. For God sent his son not so Condemn the world but yet save it. If I know that God loves me enough to do just that. I am happy. Even if God did it for nobody else and he did it Just for me how lucky am I? I think people get so caught up on trying to find out and prove what is wrong in life besides knowing the fact that God loves us just the way we are. I personally believe that Porn is not wrong in my opinion something is not a sin until you make more important than God. Hence why many things are taken out of context in the bible. The Bible does not teach prejudiced towards anon-believer. Yet it is rapid, Man took that upon himself to condemn man; not God. Being a Christian does not ruin our country. People who want it to say and do more then the Bible intended do. The Bible, existed to let us all know we fall short, and regardless God loves us and accepted us. Being in Porn does not make you a useless peace of sh*t, it makes you human. Watching it and  makes you human as well. Urges are created by God, watching porn is better then violating another human with lies and lust.  .Can help think God may not like m,e watching Porn or being a porn star. But I think he would prefer that over violating another human being for my lust. Porn stars are made to feel guilty by society , not by God or the Bible. This is not to say to sin is great, but it makes you human. Obviously this conversation is directed at Christianity, but I supposed any religion that frowns on Porn would be included, for most Gods in most religions are loving caring forgiving and teaching Gods.  Was long ago , but I studies Theology along with Anthropology so I think I can write stuff like this with a clear nonjudgmental mind. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-09-11 09:10am - 4823 days | #2 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Religion must be the only form of playing / talking to imaginary friends that is still socially acceptable. So in short, religion belongs as much in porn as it does in any other part of life: not at all. Not am I only a miserable old cynic but also a staunch atheist. I guess if I'm wrong about the whole thing I am going on a express elevator to hell when I pop my clogs  The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?Frank Zappa | |
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| 10-09-11 10:27am - 4823 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Maybe God is supposed to be loving, caring, and forgiving at times. But at other times, God is the God of vengeance, cruelty, destruction, damnation, etc. And the followers of God who emphasize the negative or harsher qualities are the ones who seem to get the most press. Let's kill or at least punish the non-believers, the blasphemers, the deviants. We must cleanse this world as God meant us to. I remember talking to a pastor back in the 1980s. At that time it was a popular belief that God had created AIDs to punish the wicked. And in his sermons, that pastor, who was a generous, nice, kind man, seemed to believe that AIDs was God's punishment for wicked behavior. I didn't argue with the pastor's beliefs. But I didn't agree with him on this issue. Edited on Oct 09, 2011, 10:33am | |
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| 10-09-11 11:48am - 4823 days | #4 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I am not sure if I know what an Atheist is? Not being sarcastic, but in the reality of Life some believe in God some a Tree lol some nothing. But and Athiest does not believe in nothing? They believe there is no God, so I wondered do they believe in a higher power of any kind? I mean we all came from something some where? Is a power that created us greater then us ? Not saying a centioned being. But some power of some kind makes us exist ?? And to step a little further are their different religion of an Athiest ? Like some that believe their is a higher power but no God. And in AA /NA are Their Athiest if so how do they work the steps? Since 2007 | |
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| 10-09-11 12:10pm - 4823 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think we too often blame God for bad things because it's expediant, He/She/It can't defend himself and it's a way to deal with something that we can't explain. I don't think God created AIDS to punish the wicked because if he wanted to punish the wicked then politicans and CEO's of companies would have been pretty high on his list. I think AIDS became the epidemy that it is today in large part because of a too promiscuous life style. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-09-11 01:24pm - 4823 days | #6 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
To my admittedly limited theological understanding, a agnostic is willing to hedge his bets to believe that some kind of higher power exists while the atheist believes in nothing but cold hard logic and scientific proof. I believe that the explanations for our being, purpose (or lack thereof) and evolution are far better explained in scientific terms than any kind of religion, I guess you could call science my higher power. If god were to land on the white house lawn and reveal the heathenous nature of us unbelievers I would be willing to look into the possibility I am wrong. As I believe hell will freeze over before that happens I stand firm. And yes I do see the irony in my last sentence The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 10-09-11 04:05pm - 4823 days | #7 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Thats what I love about PU, the people here are intelligent and open minded. Myself I think its a combination Science and the idea of religion. I do not think God is a human type or likeness. I do think though life came from elsewhere. I often think when I die no matter what I will not cease to exist. In some form of Atom or dust I will always be some where, even in a million pieces. This thing that makes me think in my head will also go into existence, where I have no idea that will be. But I also came from some where in some form, evolution or religion are the same in this aspect you have to originate from somewhere. Even Steven Hawkings states we came from somewhere and he is baffled as to the exact nature, and entertains a scientific based God like I described. I am remembered when studying science, it too is not fact out teacher reminded us to use caution when using the word scientic fact. As it is known fact, and always subject to the molecules around it that could change the theory we once based it on. I remember they said the world was flat? And Earth was the center of the universe according to science. That too has changed. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-09-11 04:29pm - 4823 days | #8 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
It is written God created man. In my judgment he/she did so to include warts and all. God gives us a will to choose amongst acting on those temptations instilled within us ... whether they be good or bad. Having done this, it's inconcievable to me that this all knowing and all loving creator would become angry and punish us should we yeild to those powerfully strong negative forces he'd/she gave us in the first place. I believe there's a judgement; and it only makes sense those who have followed the path of good over evil will in some way be rewarded ...... but at the same time those who ignored internal signals of real wrong-doings and went-ahead and committed them anyway, will be handed down a revelation of his deeds and face an applicable consequence.... But certainly not and everlasting resident of a fury hell. I think it all boils down to "HOW ONE TREATS HIS FELLOW MAN.".... as well as other living creatures among us. Please pardon me for climing onto my soapbox and sliding a bit off-topic ..... but this is a subject that gets my motor running.  | |
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| 10-09-11 06:36pm - 4823 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I really enjoyed reading your post graymane. I couldn't have wished to say anything better than you did. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-09-11 06:45pm - 4823 days | #10 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I used to say that every Christian appears to have a God and Jesus of his own making. A Deity who has been reshaped and refashioned to reflect the individual's personal make up. Come from a dysfunctional home with a harsh father and chances are that your God will most likely be harsh and judgmental as well, come from a kind and loving home and your God will probably be kind and loving. This is my view only and is not necessarily true but I believe it! At the moment I think of myself as an "agnostic" Christian, someone who believes in the basics of the faith, but not so much in all the baggage that has been handed down to us, in all the limitations of "religion," this cage of our own making, with all of its restrictions and "certainties" and guilt inducing little tricks that attempt to keep us on the straight and narrow. As far as I am concerned, kind people do not have to be coerced to be kind. They would be kind even if God did not exist and the hateful ones, the destroyers would destroy and hate, God or no God. Except in the latter case, if they are "true believers" they would attempt to justify their cruel actions by quoting all the harsh passages in the O.T. or the Koran and deceive themselves into thinking that they are doing the will of God. I am not arrogant enough to think that I have God, His nature or His actions, all figured out. I carry many doubts around with me and will most likely take them to my grave. I hope that I will be pleasantly surprised, but who can be sure. I am only sure of two things, a) it can't hurt to act in a loving manner and b) that "whatsoever you sow, that shall you reap!" Experience has taught me that those two truths are eternal and immutable. Thus endeth the lesson! PS. And when it comes to Porn, in the light of all the despicable, cruel, destructive things individuals and nations tend to do to one another, I think the liking of Porn would rank way down on a Deity`s list of moral offenses. But, again, I feel presumptuous even saying that. What do *I* know. | |
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| 10-09-11 07:22pm - 4823 days | #11 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
I don't belong to any religion. I have my own ideas about God. He could have created a universe that bent to his will, but he gave us freedom to use our own minds and make our own moral decisions. I give Him credit for that. I don't believe in any hell or punishment. Live life as best I can without harming others. I make mistakes and try to correct them and not make them again. Well I try, not very successfully. Greed and fear certainly are a part of me. Having worked in manufacturing I have seen some corporations that people would consider law abiding commit sins that would put the porn industry to shame. I am sure there is abuse in porn, but there is plenty of abuse in every workplace. Greed and bigotry existed before porn and will continue exist if porn is ever eliminated, God forbid that it is not. I would like to add, that I find more respect between the members here, at PU, then most other forums I have been apart of. When religion or God is brought into conversation in some of them I hate to tell you how nasty it gets between the members. So, as far as sin of hate goes, I see none here like I see in other forums. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 10-09-11 09:50pm - 4823 days | #12 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Regarding religion, and glib pop psychology: you can justify almost anything, as long as you say you are sorry. Does this have anything to do with religion? I think so, because religion is supposed to be one of the backbones of morality, and how a person should behave. But if you have a smooth tongue, it sure helps when you get caught doing something wrong. According to the brief article below, David Boreanaz states that marriage is "a sacred ground". So he implies that marriage is sacred because of religion, I assume. He admits that he had an affair while married. But he also states that "a demon that kind of comes out and overtakes you." So he is implying that it was the fault of the demon that he played around outside of his marriage, and not really his fault. That's my interpretation, anyway. He was merely weak and human. And now that it's past (his unfaithfulness), he's ready to go on as a stronger human being who has strengthened his marriage. Wonderful sentiment, but I wonder how many people will vomit trying to swallow the bullshit. ......... ......... David Boreanaz: My 2010 Affair Strengthened My Marriage US Magazine – 5 hours ago David Boreanaz clearly believes in the power of positive thinking. The actor, who came clean about cheating on wife Jaime Bergman with Rachel Uchitel in May 2010, tells TV Week that his affair has been "a bonding experience, in the long run." "In a sacred ground like marriage, you find yourself out of it at certain times for reasons unknown that can be destructive," the 42-year-old actor explains. "There could be a demon that kind of comes out and overtakes you." In any relationship, there are "fantastic" moments and "extremely rocky" moments, Boreanaz adds. The New York native and Bergman, a former Playboy Playmate, wed in November 2001, just nine months after they met during a Valentine's Day party at the Playboy Mansion. "Do I believe in giving up?" Boreanaz asks TV Week. "No, I don't. I'm a fighter. I'm a lover." Bergman and Boreanz are parents to son Jaden, 9, and daughter Bella, 2. | |
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| 10-10-11 06:25am - 4822 days | #13 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I agree with you, nice posts Greymane. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-10-11 08:03am - 4822 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
What you're describing sounds more like deism than atheism, which is belief in a creator, but not necessarily a creator in the biblical sense where he (she?) not only creates us but watches over our every move and determines our fates, etc. There definitely are different degrees of atheism, though I wouldn't necessarily call them different religions, though maybe different sects. Sort of like how Christianity has Pat Robertson while also having Jimmy Carter, atheism has Richard Dawkins while also having the regular Joe/Jane who doesn't believe in god but also really doesn't care. The latter is sometimes called apatheism, which is a sort of an indifferent atheism, where you don't believe in god, and you really don't care much about the whole issue of god/no god. And this is probably where I would categorize myself, because I never exactly had an "Ah ha!" moment, but just a gradual realization of my views and lack of belief, and more or less said "Oh well, enough of that," and then pretty much went on my merry way. So I don't get too high on my soapbox or start arguments that ultimately go nowhere, but I still enjoy reading up on religion and people's different takes on faith, even if only to make sure I don't have to answer to some nitwit with a bible next time I go vote or buy groceries. And to be perfectly honest I have yet to meet a truly proselytizing atheist in a manner that comes close to people knocking on my door or handing me a pamphlet, or simply telling me what I supposedly can and can't do (which I would find frighteningly close to a dictatorship, so fuck off!). I guess to put it more succinctly (and to cut my rambling down), I'm reacting against having grown up in the U.S. at a time when religion, primarily Christianity, has had a pervasive and in my view largely negative influence on everyday life, which has probably turned just as many people away from religion (and possibly having any beliefs at all) as it has converted or kept. I think I would be much more open to religion if it hadn't come so frequently in the form of a dominionism that borders on fascism. Instead I have had to endure a theoretically secular political system that seem to hinge on officials' religious beliefs over their politics. This, along with a long list of ridiculous "evils" that masquerades as morals and values, have made me pretty cynical. For me, it's hard to take a person seriously as they rant against gays, women, or just an "immoral" film or TV show, when they seem to see no bigger issue in, say, poverty or that they don't think people have a right to healthcare. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-10-11 08:11am - 4822 days | #15 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Maybe, but not necessarily. Maybe he just means if you're married and you don't treat your spouse as a god then you're committing blasphemy.  And if I were to have any religious beliefs (I don't), they would probably include something about the Antichrist being in the form of a bridezilla--or that they are one of the four signs of the apocalypse--so I doubt I will be considering marriage "sacred" anytime soon.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 10, 2011, 08:16am | |
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| 10-10-11 09:18am - 4822 days | #16 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Thanks Turboshaft , you said what I was thinking better then I thought when I was thinking LOL. You know I am reminded of so many people who are main line religious persons. ( nothing wrong with that ). However I have seen some of the most mean spirited and hateful people been the most devote attendees of their church. I remember a conversation with my pastor ( a few years ago). I asked him why we were collecting so much money to send to South America? He said to spread the word, I said I agree but when are we not helping people right here? He said People here are better able to survive them those there? I said they have been surviving there for thousands of years without our help. He said God told the church to do this, I said sarcastically, well he didn't tell me ? You can imagine now one of two things. 1. He had tolerance for my thoughts and encouraged me to read scripture. Or 2. Said perhaps another church would be better for you. I had attended here over 10 years helped them build a new one and in a conversation he all but kicked me out for asking where our money goes. As you guessed this wise pastor chose to alienate me as opposed to be open to honest questions. I soon found out most churches sadly are like this, if we have your blood and labor and cash , welcome brother. If you do not like what we do here? Don't let the door hit you where the dear Lord split ya. Looking at the teaching of Christianity, Christ talked with the derelicts of life its self, but talked with them as if they were his brother. Whether you believe in a christian God or not, its hard not to agree with his basics in being human to others means we can decide how we treat each other. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-10-11 09:24am - 4822 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
To answer the OP. Really, it all comes down to personal opinion. This is mine. Porn is a form of recreation to the end user & a source of income for those in the industry. It's function is purely secular & should be regarded as such. Obviously there are people & factions who will perceive it as wrong or immoral both to consume & produce pornography. Largely these are established religions, all of which try to project their moral values on their acolytes. Quite often this results in cases of 'Do as I say, not as I do.' I suspect there are probably a little more than an average amount of 'dodgy characters' in & around porn, but they pop up in all walks of life anyway. If either industry people or consumers 'get religion' it is quite often manifested out of unease & personal guilt. That said I do think some of the more vocal converts come over as hypocrites. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Oct 10, 2011, 09:27am | |
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| 10-10-11 11:29am - 4822 days | #18 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
It is hard to believe: 1. That religion & porn have any relationship other than being polar opposites. 2. That there is a God or higher power. I was especially struck by the quote from Toad: "I am not sure if I know what an Atheist is? .... Athiest does not believe in nothing? They believe there is no God, so I wondered do they believe in a higher power of any kind? I mean we all came from something some where? Is a power that created us greater than us? Not saying a centioned being. But some power of some kind makes us exist ?? And to step a little further are their different religion of an Athiest? Like some that believe their is a higher power but no God. And in AA /NA are Their Athiest if so how do they work the steps?" The sticking point here for me is "higher power of any kind" and I would answer the Sun, a black hole, the Big Bang are all higher powers, but I don't think they fit the definition of God since they had no predetermined purpose. Atheists & AA - There is a structure there that can be woven into your belief system to provide a stability to get your through. AA was started by two guys who thought that their support of each other would help them stay sober. It was framed in a Christian belief system. Anyone can use it and still believe whatever they believe. Beyond that (if you believe in God) who created God? It all has to start someplace (Chicken or the Egg). Too big for my little brain to sort out, thus as an Atheist I will admit I could be WRONG! Sort of backsliding into Agnostic territory. As far as different Atheist "religions", Matti Murray was a hard nut whereas I embrace other people's religion - Whatever gets them through the day, I'll support. I believe in the power of prayer - as a power of its own NOT a favorable petition to God. I am influenced by the teaching of Christianity (my childhood upbringing) in how I deal and view the world but have come to the conclusion there is no God to help us or hurt us.... just the laws of nature and mankind's greed or benevolence. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-10-11 12:18pm - 4822 days | #19 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
^ "Too big for my little brain to sort out, thus as an Atheist I will admit I could be WRONG! Sort of backsliding into Agnostic territory." Words of wisdom! With me it worked the opposite: backsliding from complete conviction into "agnostic" mode! Not in connection with the existence of God but in connection with how He works. Most of us tend to put him into a denominational box but I've come to the same conclusion as you, my brain is simply too small to sort things out, so I am unaffiliated with any church or dogma. I do disagree with you in connection with: "It is hard to believe ... that religion & porn have any relationship other than being polar opposites." They became polar opposites. It wasn't always so. In ancient Greece Temple Prostitutes played an important part. | |
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| 10-10-11 03:54pm - 4822 days | #20 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Messmer says "They became polar opposites. It wasn't always so. In ancient Greece Temple Prostitutes played an important part." Ok - where was I? ...haha If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-10-11 09:33pm - 4822 days | #21 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
 Cherish it while you can, it might never happen again. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-10-11 10:05pm - 4822 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Really? It's hard to believe that an organization that supposedly works to help you--partly through what it calls having an "awareness of a Power greater than ourselves"--would not take that opportunity to convert you to their way of thinking, whether or not it really involves alcohol abuse. By definition, if you think you're an alcoholic and you're going to AA for help, then you're admitting there's a problem and you need some sort of solution. Sorry, but I guess I'm the perpetual cynic and skeptic, and I think people, particularly when coalesced in questionable groups such as AA, are not out to help people. The fact that AA was founded by two religious conservatives and that at least half of their original 12 Steps mention God by name or in the abstract doesn't help me think any better of them either. They don't even hide this, as they say on the web version of their own "Big Book": Most of us think this awareness of a Power greater than ourselves is the essence of spiritual experience. Our more religious members call it "God-consciousness." Most emphatically we wish to say that any alcoholic capable of honestly facing his problems in the light of our experience can recover, provided he does not close his mind to all spiritual concepts. He can only be defeated by an attitude of intolerance or belligerent denial. I can only be defeated by "an attitude of intolerance or belligerent denial"?!  Hey, if I was gullible enough to believe such cult crap in the first place, I would already consider myself defeated. I guess trading in booze for 12 Step Kool-Aid is the way to go.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 10, 2011, 10:08pm | |
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| 10-11-11 08:25am - 4821 days | #23 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
jberryl69, I have been in AA about seven years, and focused on the meaning higher power. For true as you posted it could be the sun a tree a cat, or your best friend. Seen them all. Not to get all Websters on everyone, but it says as a definition, i] A being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality [/i][/i] AA seems to want that focus so we can give things to a higher power. If and Atheist does not believe in God, then how can they define his definition? It seems in many conversations the word God is defined pro-con as Christian. I am not Buddist and can only guess on what I know to give an opinion. I do not have a relationship built with Budda, so I will only have a perspective to base it on from what I read or am told. To the original post, I think religion can  work in porn. I think it depends on the person definition of their God or Gods. I am sure many in the industry are in AA/NA and must seek some form of higher power, be it religion or not. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-11-11 09:12am - 4821 days | #24 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Religion? Psychology? Human nature? Rihanna, the singer, says she's happy for the current success of her former boyfriend, Chris Brown. Chris Brown has anger management issues. Any girl friend or possible wife should be guaranteed 24-hour security guards in case Chris Brown gets bored or angry and wants to start beating on them. ............. ............. Rihanna says she's happy for Chris Brown's success AP – 1 hr 30 mins ago NEW YORK (AP) — Rihanna says she resented Chris Brown for a time, but has put that behind her and is happy that her former boyfriend has found success in music again. Rihanna tells Esquire magazine that disliking Brown "was taking up too much of my time" and that she has moved on from that. "It was too much anger," the 23-year-old said. "I'm really excited to see the breakthrough he's had in his career." Brown, 21, is serving five years of probation after pleading guilty to felony assault for the attack on Rihanna in the early morning hours before the 2009 Grammys. "Graffiti," the album he released 10 months after the attack, was a commercial disappointment. But his latest release, "F.A.M.E. (Forgiving All My Enemies)," debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart in March; it reached gold status and has multiple pop and R&B hits with songs like "Look at Me Now" and "Deuces," among other tracks. "It's incredible to see how he pulled out the way he did. Even when the world seemed like it was against him, you know?" Rihanna said. "I really like the music he's putting out. I'm a fan of his stuff. I've always been a fan." Rihanna has done well musically, too: Her albums following the attack — "Rated R" and "Loud" — have both gone platinum, and she's releasing a new album, "Talk That Talk," next month. Her latest single, "We Found Love," is her 20th song to hit the Top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart since she debuted in 2005. Overall, she says she wants to see Brown do well. "I would never wish anything horrible for him. Never. I never have," she said. Esquire named Rihanna as its Sexiest Woman Alive for 2011. The November issue of the magazine hits newsstands on Oct. 16. ____ ............. ............. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20263126,00.html Police: Chris Brown Punched Rihanna, Threatened to Kill Her People Magazine By Rennie Dyball Thursday March 05, 2009 11:00 AM EST A detective's report on the alleged Rihanna assault reveal disturbing details about what happened between the singer and her boyfriend Chris Brown in the early hours of Feb. 8. According to a search warrant in the case, Rihanna, 21, read a three-page text message from a woman on Brown's phone, which led to an argument. Brown – who was charged with two felonies Thursday – allegedly tried to force his girlfriend out of the Lamborghini, and hit her head against the passenger window. Rihanna then "turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand," says the paperwork. "He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand." According to the notes taken by Detective De Shon Andrews, blood filled Rihanna's mouth. Brown, 19, allegedly told her, "I'm going to beat the s--- out of you when we get home. You wait and see!" Rihanna called her assistant and left a message saying, "I am on my way home. Make sure the cops are there when I get there." The police notes say that prompted Brown to reply: "You just did the stupidest thing ever. Now I'm really going to kill you." The report also says that Brown bit Rihanna and put her in a headlock, and that she almost lost consciousness. "Brown resumed punching [Rihanna] and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face," according to the notes. "She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown." Eventually, Rihanna began screaming for help and Brown got out of the car, according to the notes. A nearby resident heard the calls for help and called 911. Almost three weeks after the incident, the couple reunited in Miami Beach last week. ____ ............. ............. http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/0...ca-interview-breaks/ Chris Brown EXPLODES After Good Morning America Interview, Breaks Window, Storms Off Shirtless March 22nd, 2011 11:07 AM by Free Britney If Chris Brown ever wants to be remembered for something besides beating Rihanna, flying into a rage because people ask him about it won't help. We've tried to temper our criticism of the guy, given that it's been two years since the assault took place. But his own actions make it impossible here. Upset by on-air questions about Rihanna on Good Morning America, Brown lost it behind the scenes, smashing a window and storming off shirtless. Just a few hours ago, Chris performed and was interviewed by Robin Roberts live from the Times Square studio when she asked about the Rihanna incident. Brown tried to redirect questions to focus on his new album, F.A.M.E., but Roberts continued to ask about Chris' legal issues stemming from the attack. After the interview, Brown absolutely freaked, storming into his dressing room and screaming so loud, the people in hair and makeup called security. Brown was so out of control, he smashed a window with a chair in his dressing room, shattering the glass. Some shards fell onto 43rd and Broadway. By the time security rushed in, Brown ripped off his shirt and peaced out, blowing off a second performance he was supposed to do for ABC's website. On his way out, Brown also confronted a segment producer. He got in his face, but security got in between Chris and the producer to diffuse the situation. Brown's probation for felony assault requires him to obey all laws. It remains to be seen if charges will be pressed after this debacle, but ... wow. Just wow. An hour ago, after the fact, Brown Tweeted, "I'm so over people bringing this past s**t up!!! Yet we praise Charlie sheen and other celebs for there bulls**t." He promptly deleted it, Tweeting instead: "All my fans!!! This album is for you and only you!! I'm so tired of everyone else!! Honestly!! I love team breezy!!" While one can understand Chris' frustration in being asked to relive the events of February 2009 so often, get a freaking grip dude. Maybe then they'd stop. | |
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| 10-11-11 08:56pm - 4821 days | #25 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^? If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-11-11 09:04pm - 4821 days | #26 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Toad - never been to AA and really I only recently read about how AA got started. What happened after the first couple of guys got it going I have no idea. Again... As I said, it doesn't really doesn't matter what you believe as long as it gets you through the day. I don't think you'd have to be a God believing person to use AA to dump the habit... or maybe all the Atheist go to Scientology. IDK - I just know I can operate in a Christian world, support their religion and not believe in God. I can even say that I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior, just cause I have and now I don't believe in God - and not feel like I lied to all my idiot relatives who think I'm going to Hell. I would seriously think that if you found the comradeship and support you needed in AA to kick the habit wtf does it matter what the other ppl believe? But then maybe I should go to an AA meeting to see if I could put up with it... I could just be wrong... oh, yeah... that's right, I could be wrong about God. Opps! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-11-11 09:42pm - 4821 days | #27 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
What if an atheist does not believe in anything remotely close to this "higher power" that the group repeatedly refers to? And if they are talking about some sort of literal higher power--which I strongly doubt--then the idea of giving anything to it/him/whatever sounds just as insane. Sorry, but speaking for myself, I'm not in disbelief of god just so I can save my worship for someone or something else here on earth, which is arguably way more dangerous. I have plenty of issues with believing in god, but the real problems seem to come from the organization of almost any strong beliefs in the form or religions, cults, and other such groups. And it's why you could have a group of atheists worshiping a dictator's personality cult be just as dangerous as a group of fundamentalist believers doing violent acts in worship of whatever god(s) they believe in. It seems one characteristic of many modern atheists is that they are fiercely individualistic, and their opposition to large groups and herd mentality is true not just for religion but secular aspects of life as well. This is why I doubt we'll ever see a serious atheist or truly secular political organization or PAC in the U.S., much less an entire political party. If you see part of the problem of religion as being excessively herd-oriented then you're not going to be looking to join an opposition group as some sort of substitute. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-12-11 08:16am - 4820 days | #28 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hi jberryl69, The first three steps of AA. Step 1 - We admitted we were powerless over our addiction - that our lives had become unmanageable Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God That last line of step three always made clear that AA was referring to how the individual saw God, not AA saw it, not a church, or Pat Robertson LOL. Step two tells us that we are not fully in control in this world there is a power " higher power" greater then us. Again not saying its any specific God. And steps one tells us we acknowledge or problem that needs work. The other steps refer to God but AA makes clear in Step three ( your own God). The cool thing about AA is it can apply to any addiction really and helps us interact with people. The NO-Porn link on PU site tells a person very similar how to rid that addiction if a person sees it. However looking at porn does not make you and addict, no more then having a beer makes you an Alcoholic. Or being a hooker makes you a whore, or lastly being a porn star makes you sub-human and a sinner. I think anyone should seek help if they need it be it from God, a Higher power, your significant other or a support group. But Porn is not dirty or filthy or wrong, it depends who you look and ask that says what it is. We are a group keep our identidy more private here on PU because how society looks at porn. I would hope, not too many people suffer or are guilty viewing it. As I would hope stars do not suffer thinking they are the dregs of society. A few hundred years ago it was fine to have 12 wives   , and now if you have two its huge deal.Society and its powerful influences often religious drive its guilt and morals more then any Bible could. The religious Zealots wield the Bible as a sword, instead of a warm fuzzy blanket and is why ppl will feel religion is there to strike down the sinner. Sad, perhaps some day ... we will end our judgmental mentality and just let people be, and live free not just on the land but be free in their own mind. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-12-11 09:17am - 4820 days | #29 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Toad... just observations here, so don't think contentiousness. Step 2 & 3 (if you were an Atheist) could just refer to your fellow man - your sponsor - is that greater power - and just meaning you can't do it alone. God notwithstanding doesn't mean it has to be a deity or Omnipotent presence just that you can't fight the disease alone. "Or being a hooker (doesn't) makes you a whore" - well come on Toad, going to my on-line dictionary http://www.thefreedictionary.com a hooker can mean: 1. A single-masted fishing smack used off the coast of Ireland; or 2. An old worn-out or clumsy ship; or 3. a drink of undiluted hard liquor; or 4. a person or thing that hooks; or 5. a prostitute; or 6. Rugby the central forward in the front row of a scrum whose main job is to hook the ball. Which did you have in mind? Whore (a much more limited word) on the other hand means: 1. A prostitute: or 2. A person considered sexually promiscuous: or 3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain; or 4. To associate or have sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute; or 5. To accept payment in exchange for sexual relations; or 6. To compromise one's principles for personal gain. So technically, while your statement that "being a hooker (doesn't) makes you a whore" IS CORRECT, I would think though that in the context your were making that it is indeed FALSE. And as far as "looking at porn doesn't make you an addict" I really think that depends on who's wife you're talking to.  And considering your "guilt" reference, I think it's been established in User Polls, that people do keep it hidden away from others in the house and to me that smacks of guilt, though one could look at it as discretion being the better part of valor. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! Edited on Oct 12, 2011, 09:21am | |
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| 10-12-11 09:33am - 4820 days | #30 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Not at all, I think anytime anyone enter a dialect about religion. One should be open or not invite comments. I started the thread for two reasons: 1. Seldom something you would see on PU and the rebel in me said hmmm. " What If ". 2. Been a member for awhile here and most PU members are intelligent open minded people. I mean one would have to be pretty opened minded at some of the sites we subscribe to. I will say that, what a woman does as a porn star or a hooker should be that of her choice regardless what labels society or dictionary puts on a person. In reality both have sex for money and only the reasons they do it for separate the true identity. That does not mean porn stars are hookers or vise-versa. It means that society will grab what ever color they need out of the crayon box and color it a pleasing color they can live with. It could be said that many mainstream actors pick a slim pretty, busty half their age queen, that is obviously there because of the budge in his wallet not his pants. So in all three who is the real prostitute and selling them selves? Hooker and Pornstars as over when the guy does his business. Not so with the prostituted wife. Back to the thought, depends on the crayons color society wants. But it is still a crayon. Interesting conversations everyone. Since 2007 | |
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