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| 05-05-08 07:25pm - 6074 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Why Do Porn Stars Dress Like Porn Stars? Looking back at porn over the years, a strange change happened rather recently in the big porn explosion of DVD and Internet porn. Porn Stars stopped dressing like normal people or celebrities and started dressing exclusively in an absurd, over-sexed style that can only be purchased at specialty shops that cater to that market. It ranges from the raised heeled sandals with the excessively thick soles to the pink fishnet stockings and the mini skirts that could be mistaken for a belt. In the 70's, 80's and even the 90's - much of what Porn Stars started the scene wearing could be worn out in public with out being arrested or people jokingly remarking that the wearer looks like they should be doing porn. They certainly dressed sexily, but it was as a woman might dress to impress her date either in the club or in the bedroom (in the case of lingerie). Even the lingerie of current porn wouldn't be touched by many women as it projects a level of "slut" that they aren't comfortable with. Older porn was a product of its time, the hair styles and clothing choices were very much in tune with what was hip at that moment. The models were often made up to look as though they had just walked off the set of a music video or some other pop-culture venue. These days, the models would look out of place anywhere other than strip clubs and porn sets. Their style is almost time-less, out of touch with reality completely. Granted this doesn't apply to male porn stars as much nor does it apply for the amateur market either. But the amateur market also forbids dressing the girls up beyond make-up and hair - they wear basic street clothes, as though they were going out to the supermarket. (Abby Winters, for example, specifically states that they avoid any shape or form of Glamour if they can.) Now granted for a few years Britney Spears made a career out of being a Pop Star that dressed like a Porn Star - but Janet Jackson tried her hand at it at the Super Bowl and got shut down so fast that it must have made her head spin. So what happened to the producers of main stream porn, is that community so close knit, so self-involved that it has forgotten about the Pop Culture surrounding it? How did this trend start and gain so much momentum? It has spread across the world like a wild-fire. Deviations from the base style are few and far between. It is a curious phenomena - and while I appreciate the porn style - it does sexualize the models with great efficiency - I would appreciate the clothing styles chosen by hollywood celebrities as well. A red carpet wardrobe, if you will. Any thoughts on the origins, continuation or the simple existence of Fashion Du Porn Star? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on May 05, 2008, 07:29pm (Toadsith: Grammar.) | |
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| 05-05-08 09:21pm - 6074 days | #2 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
They know their audience like a hooker knows her john. | |
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| 05-05-08 09:27pm - 6074 days | #3 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Ah, but there have been quite a few instances of hookers not knowing their johns very well at all. Like any of the hookers that were murdered on the job since the beginning of Hookerdom. Though the prostitution angle brings up an interesting side that I hadn't thought about. Some, perhaps even much, of the clothing featured in today's mainstream porn was featured on Hollywood's renderings of Hookers quite far back. That in and of itself points to a possible origin of the Porn Star style - the creative minds at Hollywood and their stylized hookers influencing porn and strip clubs. What think thee of that origin? Yay or nay? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on May 05, 2008, 09:31pm (Toadsith: Thought addendum.) | |
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| 05-06-08 03:14am - 6074 days | #4 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
It might make it easier for them to go out incognito when they wish to, as then they may be less recognizable sans the ostentatious porn style. And hey, it's fashion. It will pass soon enough. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-06-08 08:43am - 6074 days | #5 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
That is true, I hadn't thought of that. The anonymity provided by performing in a costume must have its appeal. It's like they are superheros in thongs and skin tight clothing! Oh wait, that's rather normal for the genre. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-06-08 12:08pm - 6074 days | #6 | |
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JBDICK (0)
Active User  Posts: 160 Registered: Apr 04, '08 Location: Wales, UK |
As Forrest Gump would say... Life is like a Box of Chocolates... well, I think what we have here is a liberal interpretation of the same mindset principle... The chocolate that looks the prettiest is the first one out of the box...I guess the Chocolatiers of Porn have decided that the best way to get you to reach for their Swiss Truffle is to make it visually exciting... I would quite like to see some paradoxical situations... wouldn't it be nice for a shy innocent young lady to find herself with nothing to wear except to chose from a wardrobe full of Pornstars clothes...trying to choose the least sexy thing and then trying to make it look ordinary/normal...and getting it wrong, obviously... innocence dressed up as a slut is much sexier than slut dressed up as slut. even better a shy innocent lady trying to be slutty... wouldn't it be nice to see a very slutty Pornstar with nothing to wear except for a wardrobe full of normal streetwear clothes...trying to choose the sexiest thing...and then trying to make it slutty and sexy, obviously... slut trying to be a prude... Those situations I think could be sexy... The problem we are dealing with and one I think that Toadsith is eluding to (happy to be corrected) is that yes, he's right the industry is pushing the limits to a point where they are trying to take fantasy into reality. We are now experiencing an unnatural saturation level where girls think it is the norm in a not normal world. The world remains normal so these clothes are the separation of fantasy from reality... my personal choice is an innocent looking woman dressed plainly...goes into a shop...gets dressed/undressed (Many Times) until she finally transforms into a slut... then gets shagged...sorry lost it at the end... Beautiful Girls Covered in Pearls and No Oysters in Sight | |
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| 05-06-08 01:20pm - 6074 days | #7 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
'sright! The Incredible Hump, the Fantastic 4-Way, Slurpergirl, et cet-tra! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-06-08 03:06pm - 6074 days | #8 | |
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JBDICK (0)
Active User Posts: 160 Registered: Apr 04, '08 Location: Wales, UK |
Personally I'd like to see a porn version of Star Trek - Voyager series with 7 of 9 replaced by 6 of 9 and she can keep the same skin tight grey catsuits... Now there was a serious boner moment...there are many scenes in the series from 4.12 onwards where Jeri Ryan demonstrates the Super Galactic Borg Camel Toe... resistance is futile...you will be assimilated...Ding Dong...and I would have liked Jenna Jameson to play 6 of 9... Beautiful Girls Covered in Pearls and No Oysters in Sight | |
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| 05-06-08 03:25pm - 6074 days | #9 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
And then they continued in that vein with Jolene Blalock as T'Pol - she for some reason had to wander around naked in half of her scenes, lol Ah, we need another Star Trek series... "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-06-08 07:28pm - 6073 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I must confess that I also miss Star Trek. From the first series to Voyager. I don't miss Enterprise too much (except for Tpol), because they tried to re-invent the light bulb(dumbasses). Now back to the original post. My guess is that producers today must think that we are just a bunch of Dicks with brains. Incapable of waithing for a girl to undress, or unwilling to discover what might be hidden behind her demure appearance. How else can you explain that most movies being made today, involve girls wearing sleazy hooker outfits(if that). What happened to porn actresses wearing normal dresses, normal underwear and normal shoes? One thing that has happened is that today a porn star is exactly that. A girl that performs sexual acts on screen. There is no pretense of a story. In the past you had a girl playing a character who happened to perform sexual acts on screen. We've removed the magic and in my opinion the fantasy from porn. Now it's down to the basics man + woman + fucking = sex scene. Wam Bam Thank You Mam. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-06-08 07:54pm - 6073 days | #11 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
I started watching porn in the 90's so the hooker look is all I knew for a while. I have seen some 70's porn so I understand where Toadsith is coming from. That said, I'll take a guess. Maybe they borrowed their wardrobe from a sister industry -- stripping. Wherever it came from originally I think the porn market in the 90's into the early 00's did a lot to enforce it. Back then videos and DVD's were the main medium and most of those were provided to the public by a few large porn companies, like Vivid and Wicked, in California. I'm sure when they set a trend many of the smaller companies followed suit. Glam is still with us but there has been a backlash in the market with amateurs, goth chicks/anti-glam and the Euro girls with their more natural and less hookerish look. | |
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| 05-07-08 12:01pm - 6073 days | #12 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
So here's my two cents. Part of the issue is money. There's a lot more money in porn today, both in amounts generated by the industry and amounts paid to the higher end porn stars. With more money at stake you want your porn stars and product to stand out more. Like the evolution of tv shows from one or two set productions of the 50's and 60's to the more lavish stuff of today there is the drive to "improve" the production. With porn, there is only so much you feature since everyone pretty much gets naked so I think the porn star costume has become something of the standout showcase in the industry. Another other part plays on the fantasy angle. I think the rational is why fantasize about the cheerleader, for example, when you can fantasize about the ultimate cheerleader. Thus, the costume gets pushed over the top. Lastly, the costume is just an over exaggeration of sexuality. High heels are meant to show off a womans legs and express feminity. The six inch platform stilletos and frilly underwear take that the extreme. Again, porn feeds a fantasy for all of us and the natural end is the exaggeration of the qualities that drive the fantasy. This topic sounds like a cool psychology term paper. | |
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| 05-07-08 04:26pm - 6073 days | #13 | |
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JBDICK (0)
Active User Posts: 160 Registered: Apr 04, '08 Location: Wales, UK |
the GIVEMEPINK wardrobe gets a whole lot of sharing...and nice combination of strings and other bits they have too... I think the other thing that we haven't brought to the surface clearly through the course of this thread is the Psychological battle these girls are dealing with... Is it... they dress like Porn Stars which makes them act like Porn Stars? or because they act like Porn Stars this makes them want to dress like Porn Stars? I wear a suit to work because I want to be professional...and act professional...if I sit in the boardroom with shorts and a Hawaii shirt on, I would find it harder and have to make more of an effort to be professional...when I have the suit on I don't have to put as much effort into the act of being professional. So to equate...maybe by dressing like Pornstars these girls actually think they are seen as more professional with less effort... I don't know...I just think that if we need a benchmark for the slutty Pornstar look, MaxHardcore definitely carries a good wardrobe that no Pornstar could struggle to wear without feeling like she is a Pornstar... Beautiful Girls Covered in Pearls and No Oysters in Sight | |
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| 02-18-09 06:04am - 5786 days | #14 | |
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ramscrota (0)
Suspended  Posts: 54 Registered: Jul 04, '07 Location: Geelong Vic Australia |
Can't say I'm a sociological expert on this kinda stuff. But I do know that this kind of set 'formula' approach annouy me - it's not only in the clothing, but in the way they do the moves in the scenes, the positions and the cumshots. That's one reason I prefer amateur sites, but my one gripe about amateur sites is that they seem to attract amateur clothing, amateur sets & scenery, and amateur photographers & videographers. Why can't the amateur girls 'dress up to the nines?' And why can't they put more effort into making the settings & decor attractive and colourful? That's my beef. And toadsith has raised a good point. | |
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| 02-18-09 09:35am - 5786 days | #15 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Maybe it's for a number of reasons. Things generally seem to evolve. Porn makers probably think that this is what is wanted by porn watchers. Models think a certain look is what is wanted to get a job. Also models may well want to distance themselves from the job. They may consider that it is a different "me" doing all that on video, to normal life. It could be that what you see is what you get, and there's no getting away from it. Someone I used to know was going out with a "posh girl." He met her parents and commented " they can always tell can't they? They knew I was dead common from the moment I walked through that door. How can they tell?" Err...well they just can and that's it. As Oscar Wilde said, "only a fool doesn't judge by appearances." | |
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| 02-18-09 12:16pm - 5786 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
After re-reading this thread again, one thing I guess that sort of comes into the equation is subconscious desire of the porn industry to have it's own identity. The general style of porn is the over top exotica that, as Toadsith points out, can only be bought at your local porn outlet or from similar places online. Even in many Hollywood movies, even the average Joe's wear stylish clothes or the actors have a hair cut or look that you don't see on the street. The idea behind it is to build upon the plot line with something glamorous or cool, adding to the escapism that movies provide. Pornstar clothing is just adding to porn's escapism by enhancing the sexual look by exaggerating the already hypersexual and fantasy content. As time goes by that look becomes the norm and it creates it's own clothing industry that feeds into that market and the consumer market just like you'll be seeing knockoff dresses from the red carpet starlet strolls from this weekends Oscar's. | |
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| 02-18-09 03:40pm - 5785 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I really don't mind porn stars dressing like porn stars because, well, that is what they are! I like a girl's manner of dress to reflect who she is, thus a "business" look (and I don't mean the porn business) is not something I would want, or even expect, a girl who is actually in porn to wear. It is a sort of lying through dress -- people should wear whatever makes them comfortable, but without trying to be a different person. This is why I never really understand the slutty look that some girls go for today. Yes, they are rebelling/"taking hold" of their sexuality/whatever, but if that's not what they are (and, unfortunately, most are definitely not), then it is more than just a little deceptive and really an elaborate costume. Like others have said, it is an identity, and in a way also a uniform. Porn just isn't like real life (damn!) so their appearance shouldn't be either. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-18-09 07:54pm - 5785 days | #18 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I'm not entirely opposed to the Porn Star look at all, for many girls it is a great look, but the question really isn't about the attractiveness of the look or about the girls accepting porn as their occupation. The question is the origin - how did this look come into existence and how did it manage to take over porn so quickly? My thoughts now are that the culprit is wildfire like growth of Gonzo porn. The industry has decided largely that it is best to give up any illusions of being films in the sense of Hollywood and take up a role of prostitution by proxy. The style of dress has been seen in Hollywood depicting prostitutes and occasionally on the streets of Metropolitans that turn a blind eye to the occupation in certain areas and in strip clubs as well. So if directors change their focus from providing any form of story and focus on the porn, trying to make it as raunchy and sexual as possible, the costumes begin to make a good bit of sense. Once Gonzo was prevalent enough to show that the producers weren't going to be prosecuted on obscenity charges, the sheer sales figures of these titles drove almost every study to at least start a Gonzo line, if not adopt it as their sole product. I think that is the reason that the style went from relative obscurity in porn to total dominance in such a short period of time. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 02-19-09 06:20am - 5785 days | #19 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
There's the dichotomy. Gonzo is supposed to be about real sex, and putting the viewer directly into the scene, as he has sex with beautiful women. You are supposed to be part of it. Unless you visit prostitutes an awful lot, Gonzo seems to have the exact opposite effect. None of the women look or dress like normal women. The down to earth Gonzo niche has evolved into something totally different. There is nothing much more unnatural than Gonzo, especially given the nasty turn a lot of the stuff has taken. I still think Buttman was the best producer of straight porn ever. He was one of the originators of Gonzo, and for me, got it just about right. Edited on Feb 19, 2009, 06:23am | |
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| 02-19-09 06:27am - 5785 days | #20 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I think this is actually to the point - putting on the stripper outfits - which is really what they are - puts the performers in the mind-set quickly and is quite fun to watch. Me, I prefer porn with performers in fantasy wear - crazy tight bootie shorts or belt-length "dresses" that demand a lot of panties-tease. My complaint is with porn producers that don't make use of that stuff and allow us to enjoy it. I remember a scene with Chloe where she walked into the scene with some super-sexy outfit and was naked in 3 seconds and then the camera was in her vagina - at least I suppose it was hers. Without seeing her bod or her face, she might have done a cameo and then left. On the other hand, I just watched a Jules Jordan vid with Charmane Starr where she was wearing some sexy stripper-wear and there was 10 minutes of excellent tease before the sex started - and the camera was all over her gorgeous face and body throughout the scene - no "I'm shooting a fuck scene so I can turn my brain off" shit. | |
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| 02-19-09 06:30am - 5785 days | #21 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Another aspect feeding this - as time has gone on, feature dancing has been more and more an important part of the industry. It's a large part of the income for dancers that do it and the fact that so many dancers are out there doing it means that their stripper wear probably found its way into porn scenes and porn producers realized that it was hotter to shoot performers in that stuff than it was in more normal clothing - and more porn fans liked the fantasy wear than liked the porn shot in normal clothing. That's my theory anyway. | |
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| 02-19-09 06:43am - 5785 days | #22 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I think you're confusing gonzo and pro-am. In pro-am stuff, the intent is to convey the impression of average people fucking. To me the whole thing about gonzo was that porn producers wante to follow their crazed obsessions without worrying about having to tell some BS story that neither they nor the viewer gave a fuck about. One of Stagliano's (spelling) early partners was Bruce Seven, who was more the originator of what has become the Jules Jordan style of porn than anybody. He was very into strip club dancing, had poles in lots of his scenes, had his performers wear crazy sexy fantasy wear, frequently had dance sequences in the scenes, even in his bondage stuff he had performers in stripper-wear much of the time. Lots of early gonzo was very intense and dark and rough, such as the stuff done by Jamie Gillis and John Leslie. The reality is that many of these guys are seriously kinky in their personal life as well, so the desire of the audience for well-produced crazy stuff has combined with their own affection for crazy stuff to push the envelope. And then markets opened up and lots of untalented people produced lots of rough sex crap to feed the market. | |
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| 02-19-09 09:09pm - 5784 days | #23 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
In some instances I think porn has reached mass production status. Crank it out. That means, "Here, put this on and get in front of the camera because I have a website that updates three or four times a week." So the producer / director has a closet full of garments only a pornstar or whore would dress in. The last site I joined was one of those cum swap sites. Every video was the same. Two women in outfits they would never wear in public and then get pounded for ten minutes in every orifice of their body before the guy finishes in one of their mouths. The same scene over and over again. I canceled after one month. Why fill my HD with the same scene over and over again, but that is the way the site works. And there must be plenty of people who are filling their hard drives with it. So porn has reached the level of cranking out sex like Ford cranks out SUV's. True, most porn has been churned out for years, but now we have internet and it is exploding. Just look at how many new sites are showing up, right here, every day. So it is the producers who are trying to catch your eye with sexy outfits on young girls. Create two porn sites with everything identicle except one has the women in street clothes while the other has them looking like hookers and the hooker site will get more subscriptions. Nothing like tight latex, heavy eye makeup, and six inch heels to sell sex. To quote jd1961,"They know their audience like a hooker knows her john." Warning Will Robinson Edited on Feb 19, 2009, 09:12pm | |
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