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| 06-24-09 10:15pm - 5660 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
TBP Highest Scores and Photography I was browsing through the TBP highest rated sites and noticed that almost all the sites in the 90's were in the 'photography' niche. I suppose it seems the 4 reviewers really love porn in the form of photography (which I can respect) but it seems the sites with the better looking videos (not DVD movies) are mostly in the 80's. Just interesting in my honest opinion. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 06-25-09 02:15am - 5659 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I'm more into photos than videos or DVDs, but I'm curious why you deliberately separate video sites from DVD sites. A DVD at a paysite is broken down into separate clips or scenes, instead of being shown/downloaded as a single commercial DVD. That lets the member choose which individual clips/segments of the DVD he wants to view. I thought that DVD sites were considered video sites, because a DVD is usually a video, instead of a collection of photographic stills. What are some examples of the video sites that you are referring to, that are not DVD movie sites? My understanding of a (porn) DVD movie is a group of sex scenes. There is usually little or no plot. Just a lot of sex of whatever kind. Are you referring to a different kind of (porn) DVD movie? | |
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| 06-25-09 03:02am - 5659 days | #3 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I'll take a shot at this one as a reply to both GCode and lk2fireone. DVD sites are exactly what you are saying lk2fireone. Videobox and Videoz are two good examples of those. Videos that I think GCode is talking about are the videos on sites like Twistys, 1byday and Club Sandy, just to name a few of those sites. The difference is that the DVD sites rip their videos from DVDs they buy rights to. The other sites are either shooting their own videos or leasing them from a videographer or the copyright owner. The DVD sites are limited in quality/resolution to whatever the source DVD they are ripping is. This is why DVD sites don't have anything over 720 high end on the resolution. The others that are shooting their own content have the choice to go as high as 1920 high end resolution, depending on their camera quality. There are a few studios that shoot DVDs that have their own sites, but those are still usually 720 high end at best since their content is going on a DVD. I'm not for sure when porn DVDs will go to Blu-Ray or even HD as their standard, but when they do, the price will surely go up on those DVD sites. GCode, on the categories, I wouldn't pay too much attention to that since each site usually has multiple categories. 1byday's primary category is "photography", but 1byday is much better known for their videos. You can search by "HD Porn" and find the sites that have HD videos that way. Try that, notice that several of the sites that are known as photo sites, Met-Art, Hegre Art, that are in the overall top 10 are no longer showing up. EDIT: Well hell, wouldn't you know there would be an actual site named HD Porn. If you're on TBP click, "Niches" Go down to "Hi Def" and click it and it will separate into sites that have HD videos. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 03:06am | |
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| 06-25-09 03:33am - 5659 days | #4 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I've looked through the rankings (not by individual raters but by average scores), and I actually don't see that pattern. For one thing, sites tend to have multiple niches, photography being one. Also, there are sites such as FemJoy that are in the 80's, and sites that focus on video that are in the 90's. Also, if you look only by "Photography" niche, there are only two sites in the 90's -- MetArt but also DDF Busty (which does as much video as photography). And in the 80's, we see HegreArt, FemJoy, Errotica Archives, Digital Desire, and MC Nudes -- along with more mixed and more video-focused sites. Another thing is a validity issue. There are sites that do plenty of pics and vids, such as InTheCrack, but that one, for example, is not even in the photography niche. Other niches have taken precedence, as each site has a limited number of niches. And this is true despite the high quality of photography there. No, there are too many factors at work and too much contrary evidence to make the generalization plausible. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 03:47am | |
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| 06-25-09 06:14am - 5659 days | #5 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
While the scores are interesting, I really am more interested in the comments of why a reviewer scores the way he/she does. Like your teachers in school, I suppose, some reviewers are "high scorers" and some "low scorers." I really do like the "average site rating" number in the reviewer's profile (mine right now is 82.1 if you looked at my profile) and would suggest putting that next to the score on the review would really be handy. Jay G | |
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| 06-25-09 10:08am - 5659 days | #6 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
exotics4me is right in the fact that I didn't add DVD movies sites because these are shot for the DVD market for purchase individually while these sites lisence and rip the DVD's for their website. Therefore, these are non-exclusive videos made by other companies and people. I was leaning more towards sites that hire their own camera men and create exclusive videos just for their site. As for the comments that are generalizing, maybe I did a bit much. However, there are only 27 sites in the 90's at the TBP. 7 of these sites have decent (and actually not very decent) videos and are known more for them. I'm guessing for a few because I have never heard or been to these sites such as hot legs and feet, pix and video, brazzers, brain pass, and only blowjob. I'm going to throw these in as being known for quality videos because I don't know about them. So, that leaves these 5 plus in focus, only cuties, and I suppose twisty's and that leaves the list with 8 sites that are well known for their videos being highly great. This might not even be true because I don't know about the few sites I listed that I assumed. But with that, that's only ~30% of the top 27 sites in the 90's that are primarily or have videos that are equally good as the photos. In my opinion, that's quite a skew. I don't really mind much in all honesty, I just found it interesting. I do love both photos and videos, but it seems that sites geared primarily for exclusive and extremely great videos with some average to above average photo sets may be a bit harder to get in to the 90's with TBP reviewers rather than a site with extremely well photo sets but average to below average videos. Could not be true but to me it appears this way. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 06-25-09 11:41am - 5659 days | #7 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I don't understand this one. I know that PU only lists three niches per site, but it seems like photography should be one of them for InTheCrack. When they first started, they only had videos -- which you can still see, as the first dozen or so models are video only -- but they now offer lots of photos. And, like you said, they are well done too, even if still thoroughly Photoshopped. Another example is ALSScan, which has neither video nor photography niches listed, even though quite a few members here rave about the quality of both, not to mention the sheer volume of content they release. Contrary to InTheCrack, they started out primarily as a photography site, with videos of photo shoots, but now seem to focus on both, though I still prefer their photos (no talking!). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-25-09 11:44am - 5659 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-25-09 12:06pm - 5659 days | #9 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Wittyguy, that was all very well said! I think it's true that those with an artistic bent crave the satisfaction of doing their work well. And as you point out, good work tends to be rewarded with the approval of those who appreciate it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 06-25-09 12:08pm - 5659 days | #10 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Hmm only 2? abbywinters, 1 by day, hegreart, explicite art, ftv girls, simon scans, mc nudes, digital desire, sapphic erotica, only tease, mac and gumble, matt's models, femjoy, met models, met-art, and twisty's are all in the 90's and are geared towards mostly photography from what I gather. That's 16 sites. I don't know what list you are looking at :( And where does in the crack comes from, they are ranked in the high 80's. I was talking about the top 27 sites in the 90's. 80's is a high score but I was limited it to only the 90's. Sexted From My iPad Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 12:28pm | |
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| 06-25-09 12:15pm - 5659 days | #11 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
We were just wondering why InTheCrack is not listed in the photography niche, even though it has plenty of quality photos. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-25-09 12:16pm - 5659 days | #12 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Well my main point was the fact that TBP reviewers tend to seek out and value their porn in the form of artsy style photography. It just seem that these are higher ranked rather than sites that may be putting out not only higher resolution videos with quality clarity but also good camera work with maybe true photo sets that are accompyning these videos at a average to above average photos when it comes to camera work, lighting, and resolution. 2 sites that I know of that do this and are in the top 27 in the 90's at TBP are In Focus Girls and Onlycuties. I was not saying that these photography sites do not deserve to be ranked so high but it just appears that the sites geared more towards having quality photo sets rather than extremely good videos are ranked in the 90's. Sexted From My iPad Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 12:21pm | |
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| 06-25-09 12:19pm - 5659 days | #13 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Yes I meant photography niche for the sites even not listed in the photography 'niche' on TBP site. There are sites that are labeled under other things that are obviously geared for the photography side on things that I mentioned are in the top 27 in the 90's which I included as being in the 'photography' category. I hope this makes sense, all-in-all, what I am trying to say is that I included these sites which are not listed as being in the photography niche on TBP niche listing. With that list which I included are geared for photography but may not actually be in the photography category on TBP, I have counted ~18 sites in the top 27 which are photography based sites. Sexted From My iPad Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 12:30pm | |
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| 06-25-09 12:54pm - 5659 days | #14 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-25-09 02:20pm - 5659 days | #15 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I have looked through the photos, and they all look exclusive. But as I said in the "sites not listed thread" (which got the site listed), it's too much of a toy and lez site for my taste. The image quality is enticing. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 06-25-09 02:47pm - 5659 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-25-09 03:40pm - 5659 days | #17 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
It looks pretty nice to me. It also looks to be exclusive based on looking through the samples of my favorites that they have. One thing I will mention is in the Eve Angel previews, there is that eventually to become infamous red bridge. That house that sits on the property of the red bridge is also in a lot of sets. I have always wondered if the house belongs to a studio. I've seen multiple Eve sets near and around the red bridge. I've also seen Sandra Shine on the bridge. Seems like that house, heavily wooded indoors/indoor pool is used a lot on the 21st Sextury sites. I know that Mia Stone has a b/b/g set on either Club Sandy or Pix and Video that is shot in that house by the indoor pool. And to think, I can't remember to buy cheese at the store! Even so, the outfit Eve has on makes it exclusive, and it does look like what I would call "new" content of her, since any new Eve content has been hard to come by this year. I also really like the sparkling eyes of Alexa and haven't seen that content either of her. A few others, Sonia Red's content looks to be exclusive too. Bijou/Stracy as well. So I would say this is a site to watch for especially if they are giving as many updates as they say. One other comment on the exclusivity and newness, of Eve's last 7 or 8 videos I have, she does as much anal play than vaginal, seemed to start on Clara G's site, then went to Give Me Pink and the video this site has, has anal in the title. She very rarely did anal play before late 2008. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-25-09 03:45pm - 5659 days | #18 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I just realized what is happening there. I think Drooler is looking at the top sites by PUs, and GCode is looking at top sites by TBP. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-25-09 04:29pm - 5659 days | #19 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Wittyguy, regarding Teenmodels.com, the preview pages are really impressive, the photography looks great, a lot of great looking models, easy navigation for the preview, really nice balance of photosets and videos. My personal taste, I don't like toys. But it sure looks like the developers spent a lot of time, money, effort and thought coming up with this site. The webmaster, in a reply to Wittyguy's comment on the site, said that all site content is 100% exclusive (photos and videos). The webmaster also stated the bonus SilverSinema content line, included with this site, is also 100% exclusive. Edit 1: My "boatload of softish porn" is tiny compared to Drooler and Exotics. They are among the giants of PU porn experts. I am only a pygmy. Or maybe a midget. :) Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 04:36pm | |
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| 06-25-09 05:33pm - 5659 days | #20 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I think I can answer this one and give something of an answer to the difference in the scores TBP gives. I used TBP well before PU came along. The differences in TBP and many other review sites is the deep weighted criteria they use to grade a site. Each site is graded using it. You can see it beside of the review. There are things in that criteria that mean very little to me, for example, site design, it isn't a big deal to me, but could be to others. That is worth 5 points. Download options are not a big deal to me. As long as I have highest quality video available and zips for photos, is all I care about. Where as someone with an older computer, maybe a small hard drive, they will want lower quality download options so the huge files don't drag their PC down. That is another 5 points. Then you look at Quality which is 15 points on the scale. For me, I use Quality, Quantity, Updates (if small archive this has even more importance), Zips, model selection and maybe price. TBP doesn't use price at all and model selection isn't going to show up either in their reviews. What that does is with me, give me 1,000 Eve Angel sets and I'm going to be biased towards that site. On the other hand, give me 1,000 sets of a model I don't like, and my bias will show again. With TBP's reviews, both sites have 1,000 sets, and we'll say the tech quality is the same. I would give the Eve one say a 95, the other model a 75. TBP would score the sites much closer. The key word being, "Bias". Their criteria stops any bias from showing up. Another part of their criteria that won't stop me from joining a site is the Hard Facts, I've read bios of most of the models for years and the information around the setting isn't a big deal. It could be though to some others. When looking at the TBP reviews you have to look over at the score breakdown by criteria and find which things matter to you. I'll use 1byday as the example. First thing to notice is that the newest TBP re-review of it is in 2007. The facts have been updated, but the score hasn't changed. It has an average TBP score of 94.4. The 9.1 in navigation ease doesn't matter that much to me. The 4.6 in site design doesn't matter that much, neither does the 4.5 in Hard Facts. I could knock those points off or maybe lower them in half and the score is dropping 9-18 points for me. On the other hand, when I go to review 1byday, I am giving major points for model selection that would cover those lost points in the areas that don't matter that much to me. I could be completely wrong in saying this, but to me, the TBP reviews are there to guide experienced porn hounds to the brand new porn pup. They are telling you what you are getting with the site, could be photos, could be videos, could be both. Could be an excellent site that is pulled down by its lack of download options, poor site design and poor navigation. If you will notice the separate TBP reviews usually score within a few points of each other. That to me is showing that they are scoring based on a scale, not so much personal preferences that you get with PU. Last, let me use a site that isn't rated that high by TBP, Tasty Tara, it is rated a 75.9 on TBP. It is part of the Tasty Pass Network, shady business practices aside for now, I scored it a 90. Tara is much better known as Zuzanna Z. and is one of my all-time favorites. So I look at the TBP review and see this "Quality 17.5/20.0, Quantity 10.9/15.0, Exclusive 4.9/5.0" That's enough for me to join! Ends up there is 102 photo or video sets of her that I've never seen before and even better, the photos though not zipped, were easily downloaded using Downthemall. The video quality I believe was 820 high end with good bitrates, the photos at 1300 high end weren't that great but it was 62 sets I had never seen, so that overthrew the quality of the photos. Don't forget to look at the date of the review too. An excellent quality video from 2005 was 640 high end, that would be average quality in 2009. You can then look over at the site facts and see if those have been updated from the original review. I think that helps. Maybe? Sorry guys, still keeping crazy hours and sitting in an office for 12 hours straight leads to too much dead time with nothing to do. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-25-09 05:42pm - 5659 days | #21 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 06-25-09 05:45pm - 5659 days | #22 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
exotic4me, once again a fine post which breaks down the scoring of TBP for more people to fully understand. I really never thought of checking out the review dates and putting everything in to perspective. Meaning, yes, a review in 2007 would see a video in 640 X 480 or 720 X 480 as average or above average, meaning the site gets a plus for their videos. I really never thought any of the sites in the top on the TBP in the 90's did NOT deserve such a high score. I was just merely stating through a late night and bored observation that it appears the majority of these sites that were in the 90's (27 of scores are in the 90's on TBP) appeared to be known more for their quality photographs rather than exceptional videos. Just made me think that the 4 reviewers must enjoy photography in porn a bit more than videos. However, this is not entirely true because some DVD movie sites are in the top which contains a butt load of videos. Maybe I was just stating that maybe, and I mean maybe, a site that contains primarily extremely good exclusive videos but the photos make you go 'meh' (which I think most of the videos would do in their 27 listed in the 90's) would get a lower score than a site with extremely high quality in photos but videos that make you go 'meh'. I hate to say it but any site with 640 high in 2009 should not be regarding as average anymore, I think this should be regarded as below average. Just my honest opinion. I have seen some 640 X 480 res videos look extremely good but sites updating content nowadays in 640 is just below average. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 06-25-09 07:40pm - 5659 days | #23 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Oh! Well, then that makes sense. And GCode said TBP at the beginning of this whole thing, not PU. It's in the title of his thread. My bad! Shit. Just have to miss one key detail and the whole thing gets hairy. Fuck. Well, at least we've pretty much covered all the bases. LOL. And maybe it all means that the TBP reviewers have better taste than we do. ;) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 08:13pm | |
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| 06-25-09 07:54pm - 5659 days | #24 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
There's a silver lining. Maybe two. We can at least describe new sites we've found in some detail for other members by using the thread, even before they get the TBP listing. The other silver lining is Khan himself, patiently watching over his flock of PU kiddies. Sure, he told us not to post there but to send the e-email instead. How many times has he told us? But I think that Khan is more interested in being the helpful Dad than being the "The Rules of this House Are ..." kind of Pop. Then I can also say (snotty teenager voice), "Well, I didn't ask you to list the site, but Khan, if you do it anyway, then is that my fault?" ;) Of course, I'm glad that he does it anyway. Or we could do BOTH: First e-mail Khan the request that the site be listed and then announce it on the "sites not listed" thread. I think I might have done that once or twice. I suppose for real fun we could post mock emails on the thread. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Jun 25, 2009, 07:58pm | |
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| 06-26-09 05:03am - 5658 days | #25 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
I'm pretty easy. If you'd rather post them in the thread then it's not a big deal for me. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 06-27-09 08:25pm - 5657 days | #27 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I need to start posting more when I've been up 22 straight hours, seems I communicate better that way! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-27-09 08:28pm - 5657 days | #28 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
If I were to say, I would say all the confusion comes from the protruding area of your avatar distracting our minds. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-29-09 07:30pm - 5655 days | #29 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
I've had the same thoughts myself. My only conclusion is the reviewers prefer this niche to others. In a perfect world you'd think the highest reviews would be a bit more evenly distributed amongst sites that have varying focus. At least when you do get down to the best vid sites TBP does have quality reviews to help you get a sense of what the sites are all about. | |
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| 06-30-09 01:04am - 5654 days | #30 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
GCode, you can still look at the review breakdowns and see why sites rate higher than other sites. I'll use a picture site Met-Art vs. a very high quality video site Give Me Pink. There is a 7.4 point difference between them, nearly 5 of those points come from "quantity" and "updates". Most of the other 2.4 comes from site design and navigation. To show that difference and how it could actually be even higher. Met has around 30 updates per week. When Give Me Pink was still updating they had 1 update per week. On quantity Met has triple the videos and estimating 10 times the photos. If you take those 5 or points out of the comparison, there is only a 2 point difference in the sites. And navigation/site design would all depend on the person on how much those matter. As I mentioned earlier, those are not scores that I pay much attention to. In quality, Met rates a 20.0/20, Give Me Pink 19.8/20. Also, of the top 10 sites on TBP, 5 have 1280 high end or better videos, 2 are DVD sites that can't control the source DVD's quality and 3 are below 1280 high end. I'm really just not for sure that a bias towards a category can show when TBP is mainly just comparing the technical parts of the site. Oh and I stumbled across a good comparison for when looking at video quality. My wife and I are both music collectors. She is what I would describe as an average music listener. She is fine with her factory based stereo in her car. Just like I can be with porn, I'm extremely OCDC about sound quality. We used to have a store here called "Sound Waves". They HATED seeing me come in! One pop, one hiss, and I hate the speakers or the source of the music. I bought a SACD player when they first came out and bought around 30 SACD cds of albums that I already had on regular cds. My wife buys herself an IPod, loves the standard earbuds that came with it. I had to go research and find a Toshiba mp3 player that would play Lossless quality mp3 files, then buy a $300 set of Sennheiser headphones. Now, where this comparison is relevant in the porn discussion. Most of us here on PU that post a lot, we're similar to my near obsession with sound quality. The vast majority of porn users in the world though, they are like my wife is when it comes to sound quality. I've seen them laugh at me when I pay $400 for door speakers by Boston Acoustics. Even more when I use a subwoofer amp to drive my door speakers with. THEM though, they say their factory stereo sounds fine, their freebie earbuds are fine too. That is where the porn world is at today. Major quality sites by the company DEV8, a few of those, Give Me Pink, Internal Explosions and Prime Cups tried to be the high end sites for porn fans. Their lowest quality videos were 640 high end with 2500 bitrates, they had 2, sometimes 3 qualities above that one, including up to 1920 high end 9000 bitrate. All of their sites, I believe 10 or 11, haven't updated in months and have for all purposes stopped producing new content. Where as if you will look on PU at the most reviewed sites, Videobox is by far the leader. It looks like Nubiles is second, but it really isn't. Brazzer's Network has a clone site Brazzer's Pass that puts it ahead of Nubiles. Neither of those sites are known for their quality. But both are known for low prices and high amounts of content. See, they're the factory stereos in this comparison. The vast majority are satisfied with 640 high end. I'm sure there are multiple reasons for this. I would think these are the three biggest reasons. #1 They don't own a high end PC and don't want to buy one, the 640 high end videos look good enough on their average computer. #2 They have somewhat limited HDD space. We all can't be badandy with his daisy chain of externals. I always wondered if badandy names them? That plays into cost as well. #3 They haven't joined a site that has 1920 or even 1280 high end. Hard to believe, but I have a good friend over on the Teen Dreams forum that has never joined any site except Teen Dreams. He has been there for nearly 4 years. If I mention a 1920 site to him, he replies, "Bleh, 1920 probably won't even play on my computer". On the space limitations, think about this. Many of our PUs here use blank DVDs to back up their collections. A 1920 Give Me Pink video is 2 GB in size. So you could put two scenes on a blank DVD. Where as you could download the 640 option they have and put 15 scenes on one blank DVD. Just my opinion but I'm guessing most sites are more likely to cater to the average porn consumer than to us highly demanding ones. I myself am still accepting of 640 high end. It is better than the videos I started with, 320 high end with 500 bitrate. A few things to end with. #1 DEV8 sites failed for the most part using the highest quality available. #2 1byday dropped off in on-screen quality or I should say in model quality when they went to 1280 high end #3 Videobox and Brazzers rank in nearly all top 10 lists on review sites including PU. I have a friend that is an "underground" rapper named Celph Titled. He is majorly loved by old-school rap fans. His critics, mostly mainstream magazines say he is too repetitive. He has a lyric that sums all of this up and probably explains when we will start seeing more high quality videos, "They say how long can you keep rapping about the same ol' shit? We won't find out until y'all stop buying it." My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Jun 30, 2009, 01:10am | |
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| 06-30-09 08:04am - 5654 days | #31 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Another great post, exotics 4me. Love the mention of the iPod and music for comparison.
I definitely agree we live in an age of quantity over quality, which the iPod and its like represent. Its amazing to me just how popular anything portable, like the iPod, has become, even when it is a significant downgrade from its original source, or even CDs. It seems most mp3 players are marketed on their quantitative differences and gimmicks, rather than any proper representation of the source. Sadly, this is everywhere it seems; like in all the streaming video you can watch online of regular television broadcasts. The TV broadcasts themselves are downgrades from their sources, especially when things are taped in HD and then compressed for standard TVs (something I hate, but I don't have HD cable, so I should probably shut up about it). Then it is streamed for the web and it looks and sounds worse, but who cares, right? I mean, I can watch pretty much anywhere, anytime, as long as I have a computer with internet access available. I hope that sites continue to upgrade equipment and software, and are never truly satisfied with quality, because the technology will eventually catch up for consumers, even for those do not yet have the HDD space, or for whom "1920 probably won't even play on [their] computer." HD is somewhat taxing on my PC right now, but I fucking love it -- when done correctly, it really does blow away lower end videos, like the ones seen on so many of the sites that sell their wares in quantity. Oh, and one question: are there some sites you can recommend that have both great video and photograph quality? I can think of both ALSScan and InTheCrack off the top of my head, but nothing else comes to mind. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Jun 30, 2009, 08:23am | |
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| 06-30-09 08:57am - 5654 days | #32 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
exotics4me, very detailed post again but I think I was emphasizing on the res and clarity of videos too much when I meant the quality of the videos. What I mean is, I look at not only the res, bitrate, and overall clarity of videos but I also meant the quality of the camera work and overall hotness of the videos as well. Of the two 'photography' driven sites I have joined, the video's presented did have great clarity and res/bitrate but the actual video itself was borderline pointless to watch in my opinion. I just wanted to clear this up in case everyone was thinking I was only meaning the res and clarity of sites as being a part of the overall 'quality' of videos that a site has to offer. Don't get me wrong, the quality as in the res/bitrate/clarity is extremely important but it's only one thing I look at when I rate the quality of videos on a site. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 07-03-09 01:36am - 5651 days | #33 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
You should have seen the look on the kid's face at Best Buy when I asked him, "Do you all have mp3 players that play lossless quality files?" He replied, "We got Ipods, they're the best mp3 players on the market". I ended up spending nearly $350 on a 1 GB Toshiba, though that was in 2007. Most music studios are even buying into the compression craze. I bought the new Metallica cd when it came out, ended up using The Gimp to tear apart the files and remaster them. I'm tired of drums that sound like someone inside a plastic trash can with a spoon. Would you believe that I've never joined In the Crack? I honestly thought it was a DDF site and that the content was being posted on 1bday since they had sets titled, "In the Crack". As soon as the holiday is over, I'm going to try it out for a month. Sites that have high quality photos and videos. I thought the DEV8 sites done a great job of presenting both. Though not updating, they had a new feature that would allow you to switch your membership to one of their other sites if you were finished downloading from the one you join. I'm curious if it lets you continue to do this switch or if you can only do it once. I used my last membership on Give Me Pink and Prime Cups, making it only $15 each. I would think though that a person could probably squeeze 3 or 4 of their sites in during a month if they allow multiple switches. The 21st Sextury sites are very close (supposedly) to upgrading their picture sizes to 2200 high end, their newer videos are 1280. Xisty comes to mind, could be a little partial right now since they had one of my top 5 models as their model of the month, Regina Ice, and now have 10 videos and 10 picture sets of her that are mostly exclusive. Twistys seems to be improving their quality as much as any site is. Speaking of Twistys, I should make a comment about this part. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 07-03-09 01:47am - 5651 days | #34 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Understood, thing is, any of us saying on-screen quality will go into subjective opinions that would depend on our preferences. I still am a huge fan of Viv Thomas Video, the actual on-screen quality is the best I've seen. It has most of the models that you are becoming familiar with, the Euro stars. Lots of really sensual girl/girl scenes. The hardcore b/g scenes actually have a bit of realness to them. There is some kissing, not lip biting or lipstick smearing and as noted in my review, the majority of the cumshots are not ones that require the guy to play with himself for 10 minutes to achieve. They don't have as many videos as say Videobox or the DVD sites, but they are about 90% exclusive. Viv to me is the godfather of current Euro porn. Every single model that works for him goes on and on about how much they love working for him and it shows in the videos. The only real two knocks on the site is the video quality 640 high end, 2000 bitrate, and price $29.95. Though he has reduced the price, it was 29.99 in Euros, which today would be $42.07. There is solo, b/g and g/g scenes, probably about 25% solo, 25% b/g, 50% g/g. The best way to sample the content and what hurts the site is you can get it with a Teen Dreams membership for $19.95. It is lesser quality, but only in bitrate, still 640 high end but with 750-1000 bitrate. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 07-03-09 09:19am - 5651 days | #35 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Thanks for the heads up, I have looked at his site over the past few weeks and have considered it. The only thing that strays me away a bit is the amount of g/g scenes. That's a reason why I can't join Sapphic Erotica as well, I know these sites have great scenes and awesome models but g/g scenes just don't do it for me for some reason. I can enjoy a scene every once in awhile but they are far in between. However, thanks for the recommendation and I still might consider the site regardless. As far as video quality in terms of camera work and so on, it is subjective but like photography; you can get a universal sense of what is better work than most. For instance, I'm not sure how much TBP accounts for their 'quality' section for content but I just think (I have heard they are revamping this?) the 'quality' section for content should be split in to seperate scores for photography and videos. Plus, how much does chitter chatter amongst the camera man, a camera on a tripod that does not move, or things like jittery motion account for the score towards better quality of the camera work in videos? But, this is where PU comes in but that's a different topic, I am talking about TBP. However, it is subjective, some might like chitter chatter and so on but I think the universal thought process is that this is not professional and therefore is a poor video. But, I am not trying to knock TBP reviewers and say they are not good at what they do or have no sense when it comes to good quality reviews of videos. I am just saying (like you stated exotics4me plus others) that everything is scored quite technical and they have to run through a lot to get a bulk of reviews done. But with that, I believe if a site offers a shit load of photo sets that are technically sound while the video work and clarity is average or even below, they will still get 15-18 on the quality scale and above average entertainment while a site with average to below average photography with great videos in terms of video work and clarity would prolly get a 10-15 on the quality and average entertainment scale. But, don't get me wrong some reviews can go against this I just feel this is more of a trend that goes on with most sites, not every site is probably scored that way. Why? Because overall I think TBP has great reviewers and I like their work, I just feel photography is their fortay. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 07-03-09 09:42am - 5651 days | #36 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
You know what, as I went farther and farther down in the top sites I noticed what I said may not be entirely true. At least in terms of how much lower the 'quality' and 'entertainment' sections in the review are scored. Meaning, they are not as low as I expected. However, I did notice that sites that do have some pretty crappy videos (usually from glancing at PU reviewers takes and tech formats on TBP facts list) I've noticed some top sites with 20 and 15 in both 'quality' and 'entertainment' when this is obviously a bit high when only one format is good (being the photography). But, I did not notice a little trend with some of the sites I mentioned in aboves post being true but it never went as low as 10-15 in score but more like 17-19. This is not a huge amount of points taken away but it is noticable in my opinion. The largest deduction of points tends to come from the navigation and the bottom section where 'hard facts' and 'originality' are. I have seem some pretty straight forward 'girls with toys' or 'girl sitting on a log naked in the woods' sites with 5 'originality' but yeah, yeah....you do the math. I suppose my assumption earlier of how many points are taken off was a wrong but I still think they should divide photo and video in sections in terms of 'quality'. Plus, the 'entertainment' should be looked at, how can a site be entertaining when you can't see the video because it's so grainy or small or some guy is talking every 5 minutes (etc etc). Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 07-03-09 08:10pm - 5651 days | #37 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Lol. Another satisfied Worst Buy customer; I try to not shop there for anything more critical than a cable or blank CDs or DVDs, and even then... Why is it that there is always tons of customer service when you don't need it, and definitely don't want it, but never when you do? And Metallica, well, after watching their "Some Kind of Monster" documentary, I sort of gave up on them, though I still occasionally enjoy their '80s material. I am surprised they would not try and create the highest quality production and try to transfer it to CD as faithfully as possible, especially after their battle against Napster. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 07-06-09 11:28am - 5648 days | #38 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 07-10-09 11:50am - 5644 days | #39 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I ran across something I found interesting today. Before I got into porn websites, I bought some DVD's from Hotbody International. They feature solo girls that go from well known nude models, such as Aria Giovanni, to porn stars to complete unknowns. They have all exclusive videos that feature a lot of explcit nudity and teasing in scenarios mostly involving stripping. There is no masturbation, dildo use or sex of any kind at all, just explicit nudity shot very professionally. What I discovered is that they have a website called hotbody.com and just reduced their membership price to $9.95 per month. I found an old review from another site from several years ago and it stated there was more content than could be downloaded in a month. I posted a comment here asking if anyone here has been a member. My real point of curiosity is about the quality of the videos. The DVD's are great, as clear as you could hope for, but are they putting them up in high quality on the site? This may be a great site if they do. I know many of us would love a site with great quality explicit softcore nudity. Edited by Staff on Jul 10, 2009, 02:22pm (Khan: Direct URL Edited) | |
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