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| 01-30-10 09:55pm - 5439 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Worst Popular Films I'm always amused when I see a film that was a real sensation in theaters when it comes on cable and it strikes me as hilariously bad. That's my reaction to Twilight - my favorite line is when the mother visits the daughter in the hospital and giddily says - "You visited Edward and his father at their hotel, you tripped and fell down two flights of stairs and crashed through a window - and you don't remember any of it!" - like it was some splendid joke. Maybe I would need to be a 16 year old girl to get it. Edited on Jan 30, 2010, 09:58pm | |
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| 01-30-10 11:16pm - 5439 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I must be a slow learner, because I keep being amazed at the box office hits that I think are garbage if I get around to watching them. But personal taste varies enormously, especially when you start trying to figure what will appeal to a teen- or pre-teen girl. | |
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| 01-31-10 04:07am - 5439 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I haven't watched a Hollywood movie at a theatre in years. Sat through enough mediocre ones for sure. And there were some good ones as well, but they were the exceptions. Saw Gone in 60 Seconds on TV last night for the first and last time. It had its moments amongst all of the uninspired dialogue, "thoughtful" closeups of Angelina Jolie, plot cliches and ridiculous stunts. Next time, I'll take the title more seriously, and gone it will be. Whatever happened to movies with smart, snappy dialogue? When was the last flick made in Tinsel Town on the level of The Maltese Falcon? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 01-31-10 09:52am - 5439 days | #4 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
In terms of noir-ish stuff: LA Confidential was damned good. Gone, Baby, Gone was a gritty, modern mystery of a few years ago that was very well done, worth a couple of viewings. | |
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| 01-31-10 09:52am - 5439 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've read all the Twilight books and I've seen both movies. The books are pretty good but are meant for teenagers to young adults. The movies by default are also meant for a younger audience that has grown up watching mediocre television and movies so they don't have any reference scale to judge a classic from todays crap. I'm no longer amazed by what is considered popular because this is the era that has seen The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, TV shows about actors pretending to be real people so that we will care about their vapid useless life sucking existence, Who wants to marry a fake rich guy, who wants to survive hardship on an island, who wants to make an ass of themselves on TV so that they can claim they were on TV for a minute. This is the era that movies have to promote at least one product and have a connection to fast food. Where the story is not as important as the size of the explosion or the names of the actors appearing on screen. Where the movies storyline has to include a possible sequel before the movie is made. Could anyone make a Casablance today knowing all of the above? First you'd have a bitching contest on which actor will play which role all the while knowing that the actors don't have to be right for the role as much as being marketable to a certain part of the population, which director will be chosen, how many studios will flip the bill, which sponsor will have their product placement, which rewrite will finally be chosen. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-31-10 10:36am - 5439 days | #6 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. /thread. | |
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| 01-31-10 10:46am - 5439 days | #7 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
You think there is only one bad 'popular' film, Hod. ? ;0) This thread could go on for pages if folks can be bothered to list them. I'm sorry to say I can't. :0/ Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-31-10 12:53pm - 5439 days | #8 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Agree 100%, this was the movie I was going to mention but you beat me to it. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 01-31-10 03:03pm - 5439 days | #9 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
How about extending that and saying any Michael Bay film that has ever been made and will ever be made? This guy even has not one, but two films in the Criterion Collection ("The Rock" and "Armageddon" in case you were curious) so his films have been released alongside some unknown independent movies that are pretty much on the opposite end of the entertainment spectrum. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-01-10 12:06pm - 5438 days | #10 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Actually, I think most big budget movies that geared specifically to the 16-21 boy crowd probably go down as royal pieces of shit but I don't bother to see enough of them to be able to rattle off a litany of titles. The same goes for the god awful comedies that come out these days ("Wild Hogs", almost anything with Steve Martin or Robin Williams or any washed up has been cashing out and playing a clueless parent, etc.). On the other extreme, a lot of artsy movies can be excrutiating too. For example, last years Academy Award winner "No Country for Old Men" was really sort of a jumbled existentialist crime story. Not much to write home about, certainly not the best movie to come out of 2008. Worst mainstream movie ever, I think I was sick once and watche most of Dana Carvey's worst ever contribution to humanity called "The Master of Disguise" which also ended Brent Spiner's (Data of TNG) movie career as well. I recall that it briefly made it into movie theaters a while back, emphasis on "brief". By far the most unholy mainstream thing I can recall seeing in recent memory. | |
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| 02-01-10 07:20pm - 5437 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm going to lose points with you guys but I actually really enjoyed Transformer: Revenge of the Fallen. In no way will this ever be considered a classic of anything but except for some really stupid moments. It's a simple action flic with a couple of heroes, a couple of bad guys with a love story mixed in. I also really liked The Pink Panther more the 2nd than the first. Steve Martin will never equal Peter Sellers but I think he did a pretty good job of re-inventing a beloved character. I saw the Master of Disguise once and that was one time too many. I don't think I laughed once in what is suppose to be a comedy. I don't know how many of you saw Tropic of Thunder. I didn't see it in theater but becuse this was suppose to be a tremendously funny movie. I decided I'd buy it when it came out on DVD. Wow did I feel like a dumbass after sitting through this piece of shit. I laughed once for about 15 seconds and the rest was unfunny, boring pretentious crap. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-01-10 07:30pm - 5437 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Tropic Thunder - that Ben Stiller thing? Yeah - horrible! Of course, I can't say that I've liked much that Stiller has done since his Fox TV sketch comedy series, before he was a star - now that was funny! Of course, a friend of mine was one of the writers, so that might have been part of the reason. But Tropic Thunder reminded me of all of the SNL movies where the people who made them thought they were the cutest human beings alive and that they didn't really need to do or say anything funny in order for anybody watching to be amused. | |
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| 02-01-10 07:31pm - 5437 days | #13 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
No Country For Old Men is a great movie - the best movie of 2008? Who knows - it's just a really good movie in and of itself. | |
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| 02-01-10 11:21pm - 5437 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Maybe it's just me but the thought of seeing Robert Downey Jr. in blackface wasn't very appealing. Oh yeah, Ben Stiller in anything will keep me far away too. I personally blame both Stiller ("Meet the Parents") and Billy Crystal ("Analyze This/That") for putting the last few nails in Robert De Niro's career. Also to add to PinkPanther's comment; why, oh why, do they keep making films from SNL characters?! I have yet to watch an SNL sketch and think to myself If only they could do that same joke but stretch it out for an hour and a half. For example, I recently watched Will Ferrell's "You're Welcome, America" where he brings his SNL-era W imitation to a Broadway stage. It was quite funny and felt more improvisational than SNL (though it definitely was not) but I also kept waiting for it to end. 90 minutes of one guy doing Bushisms with a few costume changes and, yes, photos of his penis thrown in can be a little much to sit through. That and the fact that so much of Ferrell's Bush impression is based on actual events and real decisions that are anything but funny. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-02-10 06:59pm - 5436 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Tropic of Thunder made 188 million dollars worldwide at the box office. Robert Downey was nomited for a best supporting role. Did I see a different version on DVD because I tried giving the movie away and no one wanted it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-02-10 07:27pm - 5436 days | #16 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yes, I saw some of Armageddon on the boob tube once. Gee, what a stupid movie. You almost wanted the asteroid to aim straight at Hollywood and smash it good! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-02-10 07:42pm - 5436 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Lol! You said it! If the earth depicted in Armageddon is your reality and those idiots (Ben Affleck, Billy Boy Thorton, Bruce Willis--are your fucking kidding me?!) are your best bet at saving it than you're better off being wiped out by an asteroid. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-02-10 08:34pm - 5436 days | #18 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I actually like Armageddon - I like Jerry Brukheimer films because he knows that they're silly and he lets them play as silly. And Bruce Willis is one of the actors that I always like watching. And Steve Buscemi was absolutely hilarious, campy as all hell. A guilty pleasure? I dunno - it's just a big dumb popcorn movie that doesn't pretend to be anything else. | |
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| 02-02-10 10:55pm - 5436 days | #19 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I agree with you. Brukheimer knows his movies have no point and lets them get as ridiculous as possible. My problem with Bay without Brukheimer is that he thinks he's making serious cinema when he isn't. | |
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| 02-03-10 03:14pm - 5436 days | #20 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Here's a "film" that might prove popular: Karli Montana doing hardcore! Just thought I'd mention it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-05-10 09:01am - 5434 days | #21 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
To me any film made by Quentin Tarantino is bad! I am aware that many adore his work but I find it too violent and would put it easily under my personal "worst movies." And talking about Bruckheimer I love his movies, I know they are low brow and despised by the critics, but they're fine with me. | |
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| 02-05-10 10:31am - 5434 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I second that statement for about half of his films. I have to say that I thought the whole "Kill Bill" thing was waaaay overrated. Entertaining to an extent, but nothing special in my book. That and a part of me just likes pissing people off by saying "Kill Bill sucks!" :) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-05-10 11:02am - 5434 days | #23 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
"Kill Bill" made me cringe throughout. I kept telling myself it's just a movie, there's cameras, light, action and scripts and fake blood and actors who are very much alive after the scene has been filmed, but nothing worked! :-) | |
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| 02-05-10 06:49pm - 5433 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm not a big Quentin fan. I've seen parts of his movies and I own Kill Bill 1 & 2. There is a lot of blood involve in his movies and frankly he likes to use bad guys as protagonist. It makes it hard for your average viewer to care about the fate of serial killers and gangsters. The main protagonist in Kill Bill is a killer. She was quitting the job but not because she got a conscience as much as she got pregnant and then got a kind of conscience. We can feel that she's justified in her actions but that doesn't mean we condomn them. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-05-10 09:10pm - 5433 days | #25 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Better to nuke New York and all the East Coast rather than Hollywood. I am tired of the East Coasters, especially the New Yorkers, who keep whining about Hollywood. Besides, I live in L.A. county, and am too close to Hollywood for me to accept a giant meteor strike. | |
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| 02-05-10 10:42pm - 5433 days | #26 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Oh, come on, the East Coast isn't so bad, plus isn't LA supposed to fall into the ocean sometime in 2012? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-06-10 07:18am - 5433 days | #27 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Not based on Hollywwod. The Hollywood/Mayan calendar says that in 2012 a limo driver who's also a writter will be the only average American to somehow make it through all the destruction to reach a secret base where the filthy rich and politicians have built gigantic vessels to save the best people the world has to offer. All the while trying to get back together with his ex-wife and cure his daughter's bed wetting. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-06-10 08:16am - 5433 days | #28 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I think I missed the part about the bed-wetting daughter, but I have been building a secret submarine in my un-used bathtub (I take showers instead). With my submarine, it won't matter if L.A. does get submerged, because I will be the new submariner, gliding in and out of harms way, helping to rescue beautiful maidens who will fall into my arms and into my bed with gratitude and love. (I am thinking about becoming a screenwriter as well. I have lots of great ideas for movies and whatnot.) | |
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| 02-06-10 08:59am - 5433 days | #29 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It's easy to miss the bed-wetting part when many major monuments are being destroyed, but it's still in the movie. You have to wonder exactly what is goin through the mind of the writter, producer and director when the world is comning to an end, billions of people are dying and part of the movie is dedicated to a 10yrs old girl and her inability to not wet the bed. I decided that I'd build a rocket instead. I know it's cliché but I'm a toomuch of geek for anything else. You have my support for a career in screenwritting. I have no doubt that you could do a better job than most of Hollywoods writters or at least no worse. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-06-10 10:57am - 5433 days | #30 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I'm a pretty big fan of Tarantino - I was blown away when I saw Pulp Fiction, loved Jackie Brown, I think it was Kill Bill where he started doing that thing of putting old theater "the movie is about to start" things in front - and I just loved it because it was him telling the audience - if you were at the theaters that showed these before the movies - which I was - this movie is for you - and Kill Bill was most definitely for me. I think it's brilliant. It's filled with affection for a ton of films that I really enjoyed and gave Carradine his best role ever. That's one of the things that I like about Tarantino is that he's very un-cynical about a very cynical genre of movies - he clearly loves the performers that he casts and gives them wonderfully juicy material for them to give great performances with. Is he self-indulgent? Oh, hell yeah! But if you share his affection for the performers and material that he's dealing with, it's the kind of self-indulgence that's great to see - it's like "too much tease" in a Jules Jordan or Erik Everhard movie. On a technical level, that may be true - but if you share their affection for the performers, then the "too much" is a good thing. Another thing I like about Tarantino is the challenges that he presents himself - with Jackie Brown, the whole movie is laid out in broad strokes in the song played over the opening credits - so then it's a matter of "can he make the movie illustrate that". With Pulp Fiction, he had to make you care about characters whose mortality was so limited. With Kill Bill Part 1, he gave away the whole movie in the opening, so again it was "Could he make a movie to follow that would be worth watching?" I like the idea of artists presenting hurdles to themselves and then letting you see whether or not they can get over them. | |
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| 02-06-10 01:48pm - 5433 days | #31 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You almost persuade me, Pink Panther! :-) I can see where studying closely what a director is trying to accomplish and then see him succeed might cause a certain admiration for his skill. I really don't doubt his skill, the exaggerated violence is what gets me. I couldn't even get myself to watch all of Pulp Fiction .. I'm more for the James Bond sort of cartoon violence .. or Bruckheimers. :-) | |
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| 02-06-10 02:17pm - 5433 days | #32 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I'm not a fan of the exaggerated violence either (there were parts of Kill Bill where I actually closed my eyes for a second), but his obvious love of film-making and actors really does shine through in pretty much everything he does. | |
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| 02-06-10 02:29pm - 5433 days | #33 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
No question that Quentin Tarantino is greatly admired for the love for his craft and the skill and artistry he employs with every one of his films, that's why I expected a storm of protest over my remarks. :-) But the violence will forever keep me from being a fan. His movies are excellent by all accounts but will always be worst for me because of that factor. | |
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| 02-06-10 02:59pm - 5433 days | #34 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Yes, it is a shame Tarentino's films tend to be excessively violent. I am sure they would be just as good, if not better without it. It shouldn't compromise his excellent work any. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-06-10 08:15pm - 5432 days | #35 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It's quite possible that he simply can't write or direct anything unless there is a lot of graphic violence. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-06-10 09:38pm - 5432 days | #36 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
It's hard to see how that's true when he's such a "talk"y writer and has such large amounts of his films where there's no action at all - a feature of all of his films. He quite simply likes intense action movies, including lots of really bad ones - Inglorious Basterds was a straight-out Mexican-style revenge movie - the kind that was shown up and down Broadway in Downtown LA. I'm sure Tarantino spent lots of time in those theaters. Me, I was watching them in the Publix in downtown Boston. | |
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| 02-07-10 07:57am - 5432 days | #37 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree with you that he loves to write dialogue. I'd say that it's even more important to him than the action. It certainly makes his movies longer than if they didn't have as much dialogue in them. That said the fact remains that he chooses to depict the violence in a very bloody graphic way. It's not a criticism of his tyle as much as an observation. If you were to offer another director the chance to remake one of his movies then there would be the same dialogue and action but the level of graphic violence might be much less. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-07-10 09:18am - 5432 days | #38 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
I have to comment on just the kill bill films alone. Quentin made this film as a USA homage to 1960's and 1970's (some 80's) Hong Kong and Japanese martial arts/swordsman films. Adding a his own creative twist with some excessive dialogue to make it more 'Quentin' and set in the modern era, he did everything correct in his story and camera work/effects. Essentially, the film was suppossed to be ultra violent like how most of these movies are with blood spraying everywhere which could or could not be the case i real life (but it is just like how all these films were at that time).Plus, all these films at the time were borderline corny with lots of subtle humor which he used. As a person who has seen almost every film to come out of Asia involving this style, there's no way I can say the film was bad at all. Honestly, it almost has a feel that it was directed by someone from Asia and I think that's what he was striving for. It's for a target audience, it's just too bad that the 'others' saw it and expected something different. Sexted From My iPad Edited on Feb 07, 2010, 09:23am | |
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| 02-07-10 10:34am - 5432 days | #39 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Ah, you might have put your finger right on it. The subtleties escaped me because I have never been a martial arts fan and never watched Asian movies except for the Jackie Chan ones. :-) | |
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