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| 11-24-08 05:26pm - 5872 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Default of Trust Ratings submission should not be set to "Submit Anonymously" I believe the reason there are so many Trust Ratings submitted anonymously is because the default selection in the profile is set that way. I am a newbie, just joined Nov 14. But I have seen a lot of trust ratings that were submitted anonymously that had a positive trust. It sometimes makes sense to give a negative trust with anonymous, but when you give a positive trust rating, you would be more likely to attach your name to the rating. My profile was set, by default, to "Pre-select Submit Anonymously when submitting new trust votes." In that case, you have to de-select (uncheck) the box, or you will enter a rating with the anonymous tag. A lot of newbies would not realize that, or bother to uncheck that box. I believe that's the reason there are so many anonymous entries for the Trust Ratings. Opinions? Agree? Disagree? Too minor to matter? | |
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| 11-24-08 05:57pm - 5872 days | #2 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I would choose your category of too minor to matter. The whole debate about if trust ratings should be allowed to be anonymous at all has raged on since the inception of this site. The administrators have made it clear that for now that feature will remain, and since the toggle for default is provided in the user accounts, I understand their decision to err on the side of anonymous. If the user cares, they can toggle it to their preferred setting. I personally haven't a huge interest in trust ratings at all - I usually use them only to provide a little feedback and constructive criticism and I really don't use them all that often. I'm always boggled as to why the anonymous trust ratings issue keeps raging on. Despite being a very polite and peaceable board, this is one issue that regularly starts fires here. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-24-08 06:58pm - 5872 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Toadsith, thanks for your input. As a newbie, I did not realize there was any past debate on whether there should be an anonymous option or not. I actually wondered how useful the "Trust" vote was. As far as I can tell, most reviews by members are honest. Whether I agree with the opinions expressed or not, what I've read in the reviews seems to be an honest expression by the members. I've seen in the rules that the site workers/owners do not want biased or false reviews. They want reviews that are informative, fair, and useful to the members. So for quality control, the reviews are vetted by the staff. But the Trust vote is used by different members in different ways. It's more than just a simple "Do I think this reviewer or member is being honest." For some members, the Trust vote is "whether they think the review is worthwhile, with good site details or not". That's my take on the Trust vote. Because I see "no" trust votes for some members, and I read their reviews, and I think the reviews are honest expressions of their thinking. So the members who voted no were probably voting no on trust because they thought the reviews or ideas submitted lacked enough value to qualify for a positive trust rating. I do not believe a negative trust rating means the person giving the rating is usually calling the person being rated a liar. PS: Your image/icon/whatever-it's-called. Is that based on Patrick McGoohan, from the Prisoner and Dangerman TV series? Edited on Nov 24, 2008, 07:12pm | |
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| 11-24-08 07:46pm - 5872 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It's "The Prisoner." "I'm not a number I'm a free man," was his catch phrase. I saw the series when it was originally released. I'm really surprised Toadsith is even aware of that series! Happens to be one of my 3 favourite TV shows of all time. But about your original point - I totally agree with you. I like to see trust votes being totally transparent. I have thought one problem could be if a site did not like a review, they could register, do three reviews then post a negative trust. Or someone could vote negative for someone they just don't like. I'm a newbie myself, but I don't think they should allow anonymous trust votes, either negative or positive. On the other hand, some people don't care one way or another. PS - At risk of being a smart arse, "The Prisoner" was considered partly a metaphor for Patrick McGoohan trying to escape from the "Dangerman" series. His character is addressed by name only once in "The Prisoner," and that is by Leo McKern's Number 2 in the 16th out of 17 episodes. He calls him "Drake" (or at least that is what it seems), which was the name of the character McGoohan played in "Dangerman." Edited on Nov 24, 2008, 08:27pm | |
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| 11-24-08 08:54pm - 5872 days | #5 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I watched the original series of Dangerman (called Secret Agent in the U.S.), and The Prisoner back in the 1960s. That was long before Toadsith was born. Maybe he saw reruns of The Prisoner. But my memory is nothing compared to yours. I remember liking both series, thought they were exciting/interesting, Dangerman more exciting, Prisoner more interesting. But specific names and events and catchphrases are completely gone for me. I also thought there was an element of science fiction in the Prisoner, because of the supposedly advanced techniques that were used, such as brain-washing and supposed advanced gadetry. At the end of the series, I seem to recall Patrick McGoohan becoming the new No. 2 or No. 1 man, or being offered the slot. Back to the original point: I think, on a practical basis, the trust votes have little value as far as determining the value of a member's reviews or postings. I believe that most reviews are the honest opinion of the members that write them. Some members do write better, more informative reviews than other members, but more important than how informative are the reviews, is, does the site content (hardcore, softcore, pix, vid, fetish, whatever) appeal to your interests? A site with a 99+ rating is not worth watching, if the site contents are a personal turnoff (unless you enjoy getting turned off, which is possible, I suppose). The real, practical value of the trust votes is that when you get 30 positive trust votes, you get a Trust Badge. And each badge is helpful in giving you 1 bonus raffle ticket for each weekly drawing (after you earn 1 ticket by some other method). Edited on Nov 24, 2008, 08:57pm | |
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| 11-24-08 09:23pm - 5872 days | #6 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
TheSquirrel, I was looking at your profile page and it shows you have gotten no raffle tickets. Your score of 6 entitles you to raffle tickets, and your Rookie Badge entitles you to at least one raffle ticket. The raffle is held once a week, with 3 prizes: $100, $50, and $50. Entering is free, and automatic, once you sign up for the raffle and earn your tickets. As a newbie, like me, your chances of winning are small, because some of the older members will earn far more tickets than we do. But since it's free to enter, why not give yourself a chance to win some raffle money? I will only charge you your first 5 winning raffle tickets for this advice (joke-please do not report me to the staff, who could ban me for unfair bribery or something). | |
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| 11-24-08 10:30pm - 5871 days | #7 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yes enter , I was new a year ago and have won 400.00 in winnings not to shabby :-) for something I like doing. Since 2007 | |
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| 11-24-08 10:52pm - 5871 days | #8 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Good catch! Indeed it is :-) It is a hand drawn rendering I did of a film still of McGoohan driving the Lotus 7 in the title sequence of The Prisoner. I simply removed the steering wheel as it didn't seem relevant to the site - perhaps if I were using it on a forum dedicated to Top Gear I would put it back in. You may have also noticed the little quote from The Prisoner featured in my signature. A wonderful show that - even better than the beloved Danger Man series I'd say. Be seeing you. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-24-08 11:04pm - 5871 days | #9 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Haha, indeed it is unusual for Americans, let alone ones my age to know of the show. I must admit I was introduced to the show by my father, who was a huge fan when it was first aired in the states. I'm quite a movie buff and a bit obsessed with some of the older television shows now as well. For a little bit, when planning the avatar, I was trying to decide between Patrick McGoohan or Patrick Macnee and his distinctive bowler. Then I decided that the catch phrase of The Prisoner was particularly fitting for a porn forum as porn is always coming up against freedom of speech issues and such. I've read about McGoohan's conflicts with the producers about the Danger Man series and about the exit strategy origins of The Prisoner. I find it somewhat amusing that he was feeling trapped in the Danger Man series when it only went from '64 to '67 - shows the different expectations people had for lengths of series then, what with actors staying with some shows for beyond a decade these days. As for the Drake or not question, I always sided with those saying it was Drake - as it would explain so much of Number 6's abilities. Even if he wasn't Drake, he must have been in a similar line of work. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-24-08 11:22pm - 5871 days | #10 | |||
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
DVDs my good fellow, DVDs :-)
Indeed, like the time they trained him to become left handed and believe he was a spy disguised as Number 6. I love all the ridiculous gadgets - I've been trying to get one of those damn phones for years - nobody sells them anymore!
That is one point I keep making over and over: It's your review, write it about your opinions. People keep putting cons on a site not because they dislike it but because other people might dislike the content. I don't mind trying to thoroughly explain the content but you shouldn't knock a site because other people might dislike it - that is their job when they review it. Imagine if we had to take into every possible opinion of other users? "Con: Users with acute Gymnophobi, Gynophobia, Genophobia, Coitophobia or Erotophobia will undoubtedly hate this website and its content." The objective is to clearly explain your opinion of the content and your relevant tastes so people can decide easily if your taste matches their taste. I also stress the importance of site facts, because most of the time, The Best Porn's site facts are out dated and not as thorough as I might like. A good bit of time was spent by a number of us on the particulars of good reviews in an old thread: What should a PU review include? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |||
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| 11-25-08 06:08am - 5871 days | #11 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Thank you - yes I know I should probably have entered but I haven't bothered yet. Never really been fond of lotteries or raffles, but I guess I should enter. | |
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| 11-25-08 06:17am - 5871 days | #12 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It's a superb and fitting avatar. After watching that show too many times there is the danger of keep repeating "be seeing you" instead of "goodbye." For me the title sequence with the Lotus is the most powerful and best opening of any show. It is of course just a matter of opinion, but it's certainly my favourite opening. Sadly the last few episodes didn't have it because of plot requirements. There is as much anger and determination in that, as any protest song or film. | |
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| 11-25-08 07:43am - 5871 days | #13 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I think the thread "What should a PU review include" is a great tool and should be highlighted strongly, to both newbies and older members of the PU site. I am serious. The site staff should post a summary of the thread as an addition to the "Rules and FAQ's for submitting reviews". The thread is only a guide. Members are free to more or less follow their own guidelines or lack of guidelines. But as a template of what details to include, to provide the expected value that many members seem to desire from member reviews, the thread is a great tool. One major idea I disagree with in the thread: "TBP has done away with [membership] price". And many respected reviewers do not include price in the review's score. Value (in whatever form) is the basis of capitalism. How can you ignore the price of membership? (Quality of content + Quantity of content + Site ease of use) divided by Price should be the method to calculate site score. If the price of a site is $10 per month, or the price is $20 or $30 per month, it makes a huge difference in the value you are getting for your money. It also makes a huge difference in whether you can join that site, or a different site. Our porn dollars are limited. That is the basic idea behind PornUsers. We are trying to find porn sites that are good to excellent that we can afford. If we had all the money we wanted, we would not need pornusers. We could google "porn sites" and join them all. We might not spend much time on the sites we found that are junk, but what difference would that make, if the price was immaterial? As for the other thread where some members think a member should not review a [pay} site if the person has a complimentary pass: 1. I have not yet read that thread. 2. I know the PU site guidelines state that if you have a complimentary pass, you should not review the site. 3. I disagree with the apparent idea that your review would be tainted by a complimentary pass. Unless you were specifically told that you were required to write a positive, glowing review of a site because you had a complimentary pass, I think most members would have the moral strength (we are talking porn members, remember), to write what they honestly believe about a site. Good and bad. Bottom line: On 2008.05.19 Wittyguy wrote: "I've noticed a number of newbie reviews recently that are pretty much worthless. I hope some of them, if they're going to keep adding reviews, take at least something from this discussion." Newbies and older members alike would gain insight into writing better reviews if they read the thread. But why would they read it if they don't know it exists? I came across the thread only because Toadsith mentioned it in a different thread I was reading. Again, I believe the thread (or better yet, a concise summary) should be posted at the bottom of the PU user guideline for writing a review. Toadsith seems to be the most qualified person to write that summary. He wrote the "Porn Users Cheat Sheet" and other major points in a single post dated 2008.04.25, 11:39pm. Let him add a small summary of the other thread points. The PU staff can give him extra raffle tickets for posting his summary, as payment for his service. Seriously, that cheat sheet is a professional-style approach to writing a review. You don't have to follow it exactly, but it's great to keep in mind, as a way to increase the value of any review you do write. And it should be included at the bottom of the official PU "Rules and FAQ's for submitting reviews". Since a PU staff member will read this post for vetting purposes, would he/she please comment on the value of my suggestion? Edited on Nov 25, 2008, 08:28am | |
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| 11-25-08 09:22am - 5871 days | #14 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Thanks! Though I must admit I've recently been contemplating making an avatar of Jeremy Brett as Holmes just because I've recently started watching that show. (and of course, detecting good porn, et cetra, et cetra, it sort of works) I'm a bit lazy about such things though, and as Number 2's cry is so fitting, I'll probably just leave it, lol I meant to ask - you said The Prisoner was one of your 3 all-time favorite shows, what are the other two? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-25-08 09:37am - 5871 days | #15 | |||
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I oft request the thread be kept as a sticky thread at the top of the forum, and Kahn usually does apply that setting but he has informed me that they don't want to keep permanent sticky posts in the forum. Though, of course, your suggestion of integrating it in the Rules / FAQ section would bypass that issue.
If I were writing a review on an individual basis or for a set socio-economic class, I would certainly place emphasis on price. Unfortunately, the more you delve into the price issue, the more you realize how diverse people's opinions are on how much to spend on porn. Some people balk at spending $20 a month and others figure they need to find another site if they aren't breaking $200. I personally spend around the $100 arena, though it is probably more than I can justify. The issue is price polarizes people so much. Some users have quite literally stated that there is no reason on earth a site should cost more than $30 a month. Granted those people probably wouldn't review a $50 a month site, but if they did - well the gods might not have a fury as great as theirs. By ignoring the price you ignore having to debate the price on every review. It is a cheap solution and ignores the problem, but in an essence, most rules are just that anyway.
Thanks! I'm not sure the administrators would agree with you but thanks for the compliments! :-D "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |||
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| 11-25-08 11:30am - 5871 days | #16 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I do agree with what both of you are saying. The first place I used to look for porn reveiews was TBP, but nowadays it's Porn Users. Some of those TBP reviews are ridiculously old. There are a lot of sites, but a lot of them are part of multi site companies and a lot of them are really fringe stuff. I am surprised the bigger sites don't get more of an update. Some of the reviews on here are great, but one or two look as though the reviewer hasn't even looked at the guidelines for making a good review. I looked at other reviews and read the guidlines, before jumping in and making my first. But overall here I think the reviews are spot on. In fact it's the Toadsith review of "American Vice," which made me sign up. It looks to be everything that I hoped Video Box would be. Toadsith - the other 2 of my favourite shows are The Avengers, and Babylon 5. Jeremy Brett made a fantastic Holmes, but I hope you keep your Prisoner avatar. | |
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| 11-25-08 01:35pm - 5871 days | #17 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Just a quick note from PU Staff... Based on the great suggestion in this thread, I've gone ahead and added a link in the Review Rules to the useful thread titled What should a PU review include?. These rules also show below the review submit form. Thanks for the all the great contributions and willingness to help others. It's very rewarding to see from our end! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 11-25-08 01:48pm - 5871 days | #18 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I started a thread 2 days ago called "Favorite mega-sites". Asked for a simple listing of favorite mega-sites that people have joined, and why the sites were a favorite. Thought the answers might be useful in a general sense for many different readers, more than specialty sites that would appeal to smaller audiences. Did not really expect many strange or far out sites to be listed, because these are mega-sites. Only got 3 replies so far. You might check the thread out, for possible sites to join, or to enter your own favorite sites. Toadsith already entered his list. | |
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| 11-25-08 02:55pm - 5871 days | #19 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:09pm | |
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| 11-28-08 06:38am - 5868 days | #20 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Just so you know ... Price was dropped from the criteria partly because including it made it too easy for webmasters to manipulate their scores by offering a discount. In other words, a site with a so-so score would offer a discount to bump their score higher. Back then (when we still factored in price), the reasoning was that a better price made a site a better value and thus, deserving of a higher score. However, we've since changed our thinking on this. While we know price is an important factor to many users, we also feel a site's score should reflect what the site is. You can always see the criteria used for the "official" TBP score at: https://www.thebestporn.com/criteria.html We still aggressively pursue discounts for our users, we just don't make those discounts a factor in the score that's assigned. Now, with that said ... YOU are welcome to include the price as a factor of the score YOU assign to your reviews. Personally, I think it's fair that if you do so, you mention that part of your score is based on the price ... but that's just me. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 11-28-08 06:56am - 5868 days | #21 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
One other thing I feel compelled to remark on ....
It is important for everyone to understand that, while you may disagree with this policy, it is not optional or at the users discretion. One of the problems we ran into here was users approaching webmasters asking for a free pass to their site for the purpose of doing a review here at PU. While we don't feel they were intentionally trying to mislead the webmaster, the webmasters were still getting confused into thinking the user was a representative of TBP/PU. They were also feeling blackmailed, thinking the request meant if they didn't give a free pass, the user would submit a bad review for their site. Both of these were unacceptable. Our terms have always disallowed giving reviews based on free access (or limited trials). However, after we heard of users approaching webmasters for freebies, we beefed up the wording in our terms and now consider it a fairly serious breech. So again, while you may not agree with the policy of disallowing reviews based on free access, you need to understand that it is a condition of use for our site. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 11-28-08 07:12am - 5868 days | #22 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
For what it's worth I totally agree with that policy, for all the reasons stated. | |
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| 11-28-08 09:05am - 5868 days | #23 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I have never asked any webmaster for a free pass to their site for the purpose of doing a review at PU or at any other porn review site or doing a review at anywhere else. Maybe I wasn't smart enough to come up with that idea. Nor do I intend to ask any porn site for a free pass for the purpose of doing a review at PU, since you consider it a serious breech. I don't mean to bug you, but if someone joins for a limited trial, that person also cannot write a review. I have not written any review based on a limited trial. But is the reasoning: that on a limited trial, the reviewer would not have enough experience with the site to give a reliable review? All the reviews I've seen appeared to be honest opinions of the writers. But I will certainly try to follow whatever the guidelines are, as long as I am a member. | |
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| 11-28-08 09:09am - 5868 days | #24 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Even though I agree with the TBP policy, I like anyone who asks questions, and I like a place that allows them to be asked. Sometimes they need to be asked - it's one way of finding out! | |
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| 11-28-08 09:41am - 5868 days | #25 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
It's not bugging me ... honest. :) Yes, basically we feel that with a limited trial, the user can't get the full experience of the site and thus, it wouldn't be fair for them to write a Review. They may, of course, enter a Comment of their initial impression of the site based on their limited access. And as far as the free passes ... I wasn't fussing at you. I was just making the point that while some things (like the scoring criteria) are up to each user to decide, other things (like Reviews based on free access) are not up to personal choice. And to TheSquirrel ... We don't mind Users asking questions and I certainly hope you didn't read my remarks as trying to inhibit asking questions. We've tried to be very candid with our answers to questions even if the answers are not always what (some) users may want to hear. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 11-28-08 10:43am - 5868 days | #26 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Actually I quite like the way you pop in and give your opinions and feedback. This is far preferable to nothing at all. It shows there is a human being behind what would otherwise be another faceless site. | |
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