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| 12-18-11 04:27am - 4753 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Explicit versus Erotic This might make a good poll topic too. We are in an age of instant gratification. Virtually anything hardcore is readily accessible, pretty much on demand. I can't help feeling though that, apart from innocence, a lot of eroticism has been lost. Time was that a glimpse of nylon covered thigh was an arousing erotic experience. These days though you either get the juxtaposition of prim and proper elegance suddenly diving into intimate gynaecology or at the other end of the spectrum non-nude material. What has happened to the middle course?... A slow but sure, hot progression from elegant, prim & proper to full nudity, without the excessively explicit material, which for me often breaks the mood. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-11 09:10am - 4753 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think you have answered your own question. Were in an age of instant gratification or should I say that too many people are in that age. I myself prefer the erotic to the explicit but I also want the erotic to become explicit but slowly. That's why I think a striptease should be one where the woman is fully clothed and who starts by slowly moving her hands over her body and then starts to unbotton her blouse but not all the way and then goes back to moving her hands over her body and sometime tease the viewer with a glimpse of her bra under the blouse and at some point she lifts her skirt a little but never too high so that you want to see more. You repeat the process from the bigenning but you remove the blouse but not the bra. Then you move to the skirt and she slowly lift it up until you see the panties. She then removes the skirt and starts girating a little fatser all the time and turning her back to the viewer removes her top but keeps her hands in front of her breast and then she slowly reveales her breast and then does the same thing for her panties. Now that would be a great strip in my book. The only thing that would make it even better would be the addition of stocking and garter belt but these things are more a thing of the past. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-18-11 10:00am - 4753 days | #3 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Exactly so, Pat.  I would really like someone to plug that gap between non-nude & constant gyno. For sure there is a market there if someone can be persuaded to service it. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-11 10:20am - 4753 days | #4 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I wholeheartedly agree with both you and Pat. Which should come as no surprise!  And Pat, I fervently hope that stockings and garter belt, even though they are worn less often these days, will never become a thing of the past!  | |
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| 12-18-11 10:22am - 4753 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I also think there is an untapped market but I don't know if there is anyone with the talent to film this. The vast majority of what passes for directors these days has no clue on how to film this. The only exceptions that comes close is what I saw from the stuff Girlfriends Films does but that's for the lesbian market. I'd like that but for the hetero market where it's only catered to men. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-18-11 10:32am - 4753 days | #6 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
If there is an uptapped market, I wish I could find it.  I think there used to be an market but I think too many people prefer to be able to skip to the action/nudity/finale these days. I don't know whether that's an attention span thing, impatience or lack of time. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-18-11 10:32am - 4753 days | #7 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
@ Pat: Yes, it does require a certain skill set & even mind set to get it right, both in video & stills. As a side issue, these two media do require different skills. It still surprises me how many websites attempt to do both video & stills. IMO very few carry off both well. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-11 10:34am - 4753 days | #8 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That really goes back to the instant gratification desire that seems to be prevalent. I am sure there are plenty of folk, especially around here, who appreciate the subtleties & anticipation of eroticism done correctly!  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-11 11:11am - 4753 days | #9 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
At the moment I am subscribing to four different sites. Doesn't happen too often but they overlap because I had a couple of three months obligations among them. Here are the sad statistics: First site is a mega site. I have not done a download in 11 days! Second is a mature site with hefty updates. Have done two downloads in a week. Third, a hairy site. One or two downloads in over a week. Fourth, a DVD site. No download in two weeks. As diverse as they are, they all suffer from the same syndrome: they skip the erotic part of the tease in-between. From fully dressed to fully naked in five seconds. In picture sets one is lucky to get one page of the model wearing two, three items which have already disappeared come page two. In video sites, the models either start naked (not even adorned with lingerie) and get straight to the action, or they do wear something but the taking off of same is edited out and you get what the Cap'n describes. I know that Ed has a point about the impatience of most users who want to get straight to the action but I also believe that there WOULD be a market for our kind of porn if only someone took the chance. If only the "Only .." sites took things a bit farther and had all their models undress fully, with a few spread shots mixed in .. now those would be sites worth subscribing to. Of course, to suit my taste completely there would also have to be a bit less air brushing and photo-shopping in their picture sets. I find them a bit too "soft." But that's a different beef! | |
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| 12-18-11 11:22am - 4753 days | #10 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
My good friend M. has it absolutely on the button there! That is exactly the style of site that I am asking for. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-19-11 05:35am - 4752 days | #11 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Well if there is a market for the undressing bit, for the exciting part between being fully clothed and completely naked, I haven't found it. It used to be there about 3-4 years ago, but now I see little evidence. All my sites have been variations within that genre and I've seen the market collapse. I'm doing a lot better than many of my similarly-scaled competitors (many of them have gone), but I really don't envy anyone trying to start a new site in the undressing/stripping genre at the moment. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-19-11 09:16am - 4752 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I want the slow strip but I also want the sex afterwards so a strip would not be enough if that's all I got. That is why todays gonzo is does less and less for me because all I get is the sex and it's not even hot sex so much as genitalia sex where you can use almost any 2 or more people since we never see their faces or most of their bodies. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-19-11 09:32am - 4752 days | #13 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Torrid Art & Figure Baby seem to be doing OK with it. Just like any collector though...I always want more material! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-19-11 02:52pm - 4752 days | #14 | |
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otoh (0)
Active User Posts: 159 Registered: Sep 17, '10 Location: UK |
Torrid Art is on my list, thanks for the reminder Re Explicit vs erotic... I don't think they necessarily have to be mutually exclusive, but it's quite a balance to find. I don't necessarily need a full start-to-finish strip like you do but I I've discovered what makes something erotic for me is some context; some kind of story you can imagine, and ideally put yourself in, while looking through the set.So eg Met Art = far too many far too beautiful girls naked for no apparent reason. Whereas eg one of my favourite sets on Breath Takers was a model semi-undressing, semi-masturbation while on the phone... combine that with some creative photography, some slightly voyeuristic angles and I can easily imagine being on the other end | |
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| 12-19-11 03:45pm - 4752 days | #15 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
True, they do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. There can be progression through erotic to explicit. The problem usually lies in the headlong, furious rush to reach explicit. Doing it the other way usually doesn't work though. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-20-11 01:08pm - 4751 days | #16 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Ah I see. I wouldn't do that - it would break the ethos of my sites - and I would not enjoy it. In my experience it's very difficult to successfully shoot, process and present content that you don't yourself enjoy. The quality would suffer and I think the viewer would usually work it out? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-20-11 01:34pm - 4751 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well said, Ed. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-20-11 06:42pm - 4751 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think enjoyment is primordial so I understand where you are coming from. To be honest with you. I think what I want is no longer something anyone is willing to film and those that might simply don't have the level of talent necessary to make a decent job of it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-20-11 07:31pm - 4751 days | #19 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Waited to read a bit for a few days until I chimed in on this. I am particularly interested in this type of topic. My take, Humans are designed to be erotic, then enticed by the opposite sex, ( or sex thats interests them) and this begins a body change well before intercourse. The human body will rush blood to extremities and brain cells as the human becomes aroused. This is not a quick process in most humans and being aroused to the full extent of erotic responses can take a few minutes to work. How a person flows their body touches another and the heat in their body rises, triggers and erotic response in Males and females. There is very little evidence to support hard,rushed, penetration for explicit attraction work best, or to entice anyone into fantasy in this situation. Humans do not respond physically this way. However looking at porn now days one would think that was the norm and evidence shows the contrary, that people like to be aroused and erotic in there pursuit of the desired gender. Thats my take CT Since 2007 | |
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| 12-21-11 02:45am - 4750 days | #20 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I think it is the pace of modern life that makes folk impatient. As in.... 'Look I have to go to work in five minutes & I simply have to get my rocks off first!  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-21-11 10:24am - 4750 days | #21 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't disagree with you but you have to explain to me the increased appeal in the last few years for huge gapes, rosebuds, deep anal licking and a few others. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-21-11 11:10am - 4750 days | #22 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hi Pat, I know, I obviously see that too, I am no prude as I sometime get into those types myself depending on the situation. My guess is the same reason new drugs come out illegal and otherwise, when we already have Meth, Pot, Heroine, and enough over the counters to keep a human drugged for a decade, I have to answer your question by saying, it is never enough. Once showing legs was erotic and then thigh and then breasts. Humans do not require this escalating process to be aroused as it was not there 200 years ago in that fashion, unless we offer it now which we do. Changes things, the same way new beers come out to wet our whistle I would say so with porn. Winecoolers are nice, but gimmie a rumm an coke and now were talking ( well when I used to drink 7 years sober now ). But it seems porn is a progression, all though be it in my opinion a non-natural one at that. Now that brings out the hypocrite in me as I like sometime Fuckmachine scenes and BDSM lite, so where has my interest gone as well ? Since 2007 | |
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| 12-21-11 11:29am - 4750 days | #23 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I keep blaming the age of the average porn user which is probably anywhere between 18 and 25. Mature folks (over 30) prefer more drawn out versions involving a leisurely strip before sex, while younger males (oh, yes, I remember my youth) tend to be more impatient and want to get straight to the action. If the model is talking, or slowly stripping, it seems to be "fast forward" for that age group all the way. At least that's the impression I get when I visit porn sites that allow comments: "too much time wasted before they get to the good stuff!" BTW, all this is pure guess work and highly subjective, I have no statistics to back me up when it comes to the average porn user so your take is every bit as valid. | |
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| 12-21-11 11:38am - 4750 days | #24 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
@ CT Progress is not necessarily in a forward direction, I think it loops back around eventually. It is more a state of constant change in the name of novelty. There is nothing really new. Ideas just re-iterate in a slightly modified form. To paraphrase what I said to M a few months back. Sometimes you need to venture out of your normal comfort zone just so as to be able to step back into it with renewed satisfaction a little while later. A sort of recalibration excercise. I do that myself at times. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Dec 21, 2011, 11:44am | |
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| 12-21-11 11:41am - 4750 days | #25 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I think you are likely correct that it may be age related too. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-21-11 02:59pm - 4750 days | #26 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I would second that as well. Since 2007 | |
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| 12-21-11 06:10pm - 4750 days | #27 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I have to agree with everyone else that it's an age thing but I'll add that it's an age thing in the 21st century. I remember being 18 and a sotcore movie could get my blood boiling just as well if not better than for most of what passes for porn today. I'll take Sylvia Kristel in an Emmanuel movie any day over most gonzo porn made in the last 5 years. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-21-11 06:36pm - 4750 days | #28 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Oh, yeah, I remember the Emmanuelle movies. I enjoyed the ones with Sylvia Kristel as well but seem to remember that the series started out with a different actress who was even hotter in my eyes. But that might be a wrong memory?? I also seem to remember that they were in French. I even enjoyed "Eyes Wide Shut" better than most of the DVDs on VideoBox. There is something delicious about a movie where sex plays a prominent part but isn't everything. I still remember with great fondness Nicole Kidman's nipples denting the thin nightgown she wore in the above movie. Man, I even enjoy the "coming of age" sexploitation movies better than Gonzo. It's nothing but a meat market! | |
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| 12-21-11 11:47pm - 4750 days | #29 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Hey, that means I'm above average--thanks! However, if you're right about what "Mature folks" prefer then I might as well give up my collection entirely when I hit 30. No offense, but if I wanted drawn out porn then I would watch a softcore movie, not whatever Kink.com is dreaming up/debating whether it's even legal. It's fantasy and entertainment, and I don't fantasize nor am I very entertained by some romantic backstory nonsense. Some stories are pretty funny and totally cheesy, just because most real life situations don't involve someone saying "Now let's fist your pussy!" (at least not many that I'm aware of). But often I feel that if there's too much emphasis on the story then the payoff isn't worth watching, or at least the buildup itself isn't worth the time. Sometimes, especially if you don't understand the language, the story can be worth it because the dialogue goes over your head and you just try and decipher the chaos of boners, tits, and semi-related drama. "Oh, he is a doctor, and that's why he needs to bone this female patient...and his secretary...and her friend who's at his office for some reason. I don't think she has an appointment, much less is even within the doctor's coverage. This story sucks!"  And when I watch the occasional Max Hardcore video, I understand the language well enough, but no matter what the actors say the plot always seems to be some sort of kidnap-rape horror story that's set in Southern California. It's sort of like Groundhog Day, but instead of reliving the same day we're seeing the same therapy-inducing sex stunts being committed over and over again.
Which is why I try and not guess too much about older porn users. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 12-21-11 11:53pm - 4750 days | #30 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I'd be the first to admit I'm impatient but if I get my rocks off then I'm not making it to work. And if I start browsing my collection then I'm done for. My computer's like some sort of crappy time machine that takes you a couple of hours into the future in minutes and gives you a free dose of shame in the process.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 12-22-11 12:46am - 4749 days | #31 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Eroticism denotes class.... Exuding a time honored sensual elegance thats rode neck-'n-neck with the expression "explicit" -- although now taking a beating in today's focus and mindset on a more progressive hardcore and raw leaning. And that's sad. Because the earlier more tame adult fare kept me in a yearning state ... and milder may it have been, thinkin' back on it engages thoughts of it being a more rewarding experience. But my shopping list today still calls for a combination of both erotic and explicit. I warmly recall and agree with Messmer , Pat and those others who still harbor valued memories of foxy Sylvia Kristal, her peers and the adult genre she represented that kept my lust a'boiling -- always there for a vital testesterone kick in the ass and my ultimate fix that got fixed.  | |
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| 12-22-11 03:17am - 4749 days | #32 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Spot on,G. Anticipation adds so much more to the pay-off. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-22-11 04:14am - 4749 days | #33 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
That would explain why the majority of my customers (so far as I can tell) are in the 40+ age range. Some are 60+. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-22-11 09:59am - 4749 days | #34 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You are not getting the point, turboshaft. I am not looking for some softcore movie with a story. I just want the ladies to take more time (and the editors to stop their cutting) when it comes to the shedding of their clothes. The transition is too abrupt. One moment dressed, the next moment naked on her knees doing the usual ... ! | |
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| 01-03-12 04:40pm - 4737 days | #35 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
The build up adds so much more to the pay-off! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-04-12 09:47am - 4736 days | #36 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Why I don't mind nudity, I have to agree with waiting. I like Jessica Jaymes, as always she dresses very sexxy. But fast forward 3 minutes and she is naked already. I was just watching a video the other day with Lisa Ann and she took over 10 minutes teasing and undressing was very hot. I to remember, softcore would get it going but I have not graduated to rough core doing anything more then having look and go huh ? If it looks like the girl is into it, great. but if it looks like he is screw the pooch well. I'll let that dog lie down. ! Since 2007 | |
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| 01-06-12 07:47am - 4734 days | #37 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I think you said you appreciate the tease aspect? Lost you on the last paragraph though.  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-10-12 04:29pm - 4730 days | #38 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User  Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Interesting discussion. I only visited one porn message board in the past and it was just a lot of babble. I think terms like explicit and erotic are loaded terms that really don't have any meaning outside of a context. They are relative to the viewer. In some conservative Arab nations, eye makeup would be considered erotic. A woman wearing khaki shorts would be considered explicit--too explicit. I remember back when there were the Porn obscenity trials and Larry Flynt was on trial. Supreme Court judges were tasked with defining the word obscene, as one needed such a defintion before one could define a law related to obscenity. They couldn't. As one judge put it, "I can't define it but I know it when I see it." They realized that it is a loaded term that depends on the viewer and thats why they left it up to communities to define their own standards. Its difficult to legislate without defining something. Most people have their own personal ideals of what is expliit or erotic. That's as far as you can take it. Everyone knows it for themselves when they see it, but it is entirely a personal judgement call based on ones own tastes and preferences in things sexual. I aggree with others who state there is a generational gap when it comes to popular erotic interests. You need to consider the times. Young folks can't understand why a movie like Emanuelle evoked erotic feelings because they are accustomed to today's media. Back in the early 80's when I was entering college, seeing a bare boob flash on the TV screen while watching a latenight cable softcore featur was enough to get the hormones surging. Catching a glimpse of pubes was even more titilating. This was on TV ! It was unheard of and when cable came out in the early 80's-- they started featuring such latenight erotic on HBO. Today, porn is all over and network TV is pushing new barriers that were unheard of in the 80's. The younger 20-somethings today would see a flash of a bare boob as non eventful. Back then it created controversy and drove up the price of kleenex stock. Also, back in the 80's, if you wanted to view hardcore porn or nude magazines outside of Playboy, you either mailed out for it or visitied an adult bookstore(often a very seedy place.) Enter today's age of high-volume porn consumption on the net. The good part is there is lots of variety to satisfy varying interests. The bad part is quality suffers in a lot of cases because business demands dictate that site owners need to churn and burn content to keep subscribers interested and paying so they stick around. There is no time to take a couple months to produce an erotic production. It seems to be a high volume business now. Also, things like network storage cost money. Scenes likely to get axed are the less explicit feeds that are the meat and potatoes. No slow stripping, foreplay, or any of that stuff many 40-something guys like me enjoy. Very little is left to the imagination. Time(and disk space) is money. So, the script is proceed directly to go. Wham, Bam, Thank You Mam. Anyways, that's my analysis. I think this is why I find still photography more erotic and prefer this medium over video most of the time. A camera in the hands of a good photographer can ellicit more erotic feelings in me than closeups of an ungainly Pepsi-can-width dick plowing in and out of a shaved vaginal orifice. Stills allow one to take in subtle details. Imagination flows freely and you are not confined to a script. It is easier to imagine the beauty in the image is there with you than it is when trying to follow the shaky hands of the videographer as he jitters the camera around the action. So, to me, erotic images are those where I can let my imagination run wild. I have enjoyed photography for years and can appreciate the good work when its available. IMO the good photographers are the ones who can bring the imagination to the forefront. Sometimes, this means not baring it all with legs spread eagle. A slow undressing or flash of skin can be enough. Models don't always need to be fully nude. I enjoy the creative angles and various perspectives--the ones not limited to models reclining or sitting in a chair. For me, its all in the presentation. If you just want to see spread-eagle naked bodies and nothing else, you are missing out. Things that turn me off and are too explicit for my tastes are slapping, spitting--that kind of stuff. Or, if the model looks drugged up I just can't find it appealing. I am not judging here. Just sharing my own preferences. Things I like are natural bodies with voluptuous figures. I also enjoy a natural look. Whatever happened to pubic hair anyways??? Edited on Jan 10, 2012, 04:35pm | |
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| 01-10-12 04:50pm - 4730 days | #39 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I can't stand spitting either. To me it it has the same effect as the model blowing her nose - total turn off. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 01-10-12 05:19pm - 4730 days | #40 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
The guys too. There are scenese where the guy spit in the girl's mouth. To me that is not only nasty it totally turns me off to any erotic thoughts. It turns me off to the studio and producers as well. I certainly am not a prude here or I wouldn't be on a porn forum asking advice on good erotic content. However, when I see those types of scenes or ones where the model gets gagged and such, the though that really enters my mind is that this only fuels the conservative critics who say porn is demenaing and degrading and all that usual criticism. I am not judging anyone's intent here. I am just saying it's like handing out ammo and can do more harm than good to the industry IMO. Might as well put a bullseye on your back for any critic of the industry looking to legislate it--and there are plenty of them who would like to. | |
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| 01-11-12 03:00am - 4729 days | #41 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
You're absolutely right, BubbaGump. I hadn't really thought about it like that, but we the less ammunition the anti-porn lobby have the better. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 01-11-12 08:40am - 4729 days | #42 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yes , you said what I said, better then when I said, it. Well said Since 2007 | |
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| 01-11-12 08:49am - 4729 days | #43 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I am not sure what drove porn to get into gross nasty stuff as opposed to what was " normal " if there is such a thing. But to conservatives, there is a normal line they know they have to accept will be available to the pervs. hehe. But when we get into the fringe porn. " Houston We Have a Problem ". It is hard enough to explain to the supreme court. that you want to watch a girl diddle her self why being rode cowboy. But then we go on to , spitting, choking, and trying and explain why we are trying to make a girl vomit on a guys cock while giving a blow job and spitting her mouth then shoving the guys cock in her mouth until she gags. How does one explain this to a group of over 60 on the supereme court that now we think that is normal? I am for free speech, but........ but... like the old adage you can not yell fire in a theater,. Since 2007 | |
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| 01-11-12 10:34am - 4729 days | #44 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Yeah. I would point out that I am not judging here. What consenting adults enjoy during sex is their affair. However, the feds are going to go after the folks who push the envelope too far when it comes to selling depictions. That' s just the reality. They aren't going to go after the avg Joe producer. They will look for the easy prey where even many liberal minded folks would find it a bit extreme. Case in point-max hardcore. The guy had a sign on his back that read, 'come and charge me'. I am surprised he lasted as long as he did. Stuff like that harms the industry imo. The industry should distance itself from the extreme players. This isn't a noble pursuit of free speech. This is an industry that can't afford the consequences of pushing the envelope too far. There are realities that cannot be ignored. One of these realities is that there are many conservative politicians who wield legislative power. Such individuals would actually love to see more work like max hardcore because they get to parade such ilk in front of the public and offer such individuals up as 'proof' that porn is vile, morally bankrupt, and degrading to women-and that those of us who enjoy erotica are perverted and depraved misogynysts with violent tendencies. | |
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| 01-11-12 10:50am - 4729 days | #45 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Along the lines of all sorts of gore & violence in media with nary a blink of an eye...... but..... Don't you DARE show a nipple!!!  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-11-12 10:53am - 4729 days | #46 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Nipples are evil. | |
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| 01-12-12 10:22am - 4728 days | #47 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Off topic, but Bubba Gump, I recall a restaurant named that in Monterrey California I went to about 12 years ago, right on the water there. Pretty interesting place. Since 2007 | |
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| 01-12-12 10:49am - 4728 days | #48 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I think the blame for the tendency to produce more perverted and outrageous material can be squarely laid at the feet of porn addicts. Most of us are users who are quite content to find nice material within the niche that interests us the most, but there is also a fair number who need something stronger and stronger as they go along .. just like any other addicts. They no longer get the kick they used to experience from main stream porn, just as users of opiates need ever increasing quantities of their favorite poison. PS. VideoBox only yesterday published a video where the "stars" snorted semen through a straw!!! It just confirmed to me that I have not yet reached the addict stage. What made it even worse was the fact that Tanner Mayes participated in that. TANNER MAYES, for Pete's sake. Edited on Jan 12, 2012, 10:54am | |
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| 01-12-12 04:58pm - 4728 days | #49 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Hi, I think that more extreme depcitions are arising because some producers are simply pushing the envelope(often too far) and this niche already appeals to a certain segmnent. I never bought the argument that viewing pornography as a form of erotic stimulation leads to a shift in what one considers erotic. I can buy the argument that one will want to view new images once familiarity with the old images wears off. i.e. one will want new stimulation to replace what has become mundane. This is true with most forms of entertainment. When I purchase a mainstream movie, I would get bored watching it again and again, so I will purchase another one when I feel in the mood and have the time. A movie is nothing more than entertianment and a form of escape from the mundane reality of life. However, none of this means that one will suddenly require more extreme images such as violent depictions contained within the movie to get a 'fix'. One will stick with the genre of film that one finds appealing. Exposure to one genre does not lead to the desire for another genre to gain fulfilment and satisfaction. You don't just suddenly have the urge to 'move up' to watching violent or more extreme movies if your preferred genre is romance, for instance. The argument that those who view porn will, over time, need more violent or extreme images to become aroused is usually put forth in Conservative circles and amounts to what I would term intellectual masturbation. One has to already be attracted to the idea of such depictions in order to be aroused by them. That is not to say that viewers may gain a fetish or switch a genre, but I find it hard to make a casual link between viewing porn and eventually needing these more extreme or violent decpitions to gain arousal. I have viewed erotica off and on in my entire adult life. I have always had attractions to this medium as a form of sexual self-fulfillment, in addition to a normal sexual lifestyle. Not once have I ever been turned on by the idea of the extreme, and I have never felt the need to move on to violent depictions or extreme erotica to become aroused. I am still attracted to the same women and still have the same fetish. Of course, I am just one individual and this is proof of nothing. However, I highly suspect that the majority of folks would offer similar refrains. I doubt you would find a great number of individuals who stated they needed to switch to images of women being abused or degraded to gain arousal. You would need to already have this propensity within your psyhce. | |
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| 01-12-12 05:06pm - 4728 days | #50 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Really? Wow. lol | |
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