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02-18-10  07:43am - 5421 days Original Post - #1
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For old Pixandvideo fans

Just joined again - the 'new' 21st Sextury network.
What a mess!
The navigation is horrible - a lot do not work - the layout is just as bad - got to guess - still - which sites you got access to.
Been 'fighting' here for half a day - and hate it (see comment).
This is one of the top-sites/network for a lot of PUs - and it has become a nightmare.
The guy/guys who made this new site layout/design/search ect. - man, fire them!
A lot of point-at-thumbs do not work - updates is just as bad to locate (exotics told me about an update with Eve and Sophie Moone - at Sophies site - but when you go there: no updates since 2008 - BTW most site have not updated for a long time)
Downloaded a 900 mb video - this time without DML - it took an hour - average 130 kb/sec.
Even if the price via TBP is now $19.95 - I'm pissed - and going to cancel - anybody else at the site right now - for this user it's like a bad trip...

They even place wrong photos/thumbs now of different models at their models-page - for one look at Natalia Forrest...ealier they had control of that...
And - right now - the downloadspeed - without DLM - is down to about 80 kb/sec, wauw... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 18, 2010, 08:04am

02-18-10  08:09am - 5421 days #2
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Agree that the new user interface seems somewhat unfinished. There are oodles of search options for scenes including rigorously classified ass, nipple and vulva shapes and sizes (what on earth is a pigtail ass, for instance? these classifications should come with helpful illustrations), but often these options are less than helpful, maybe because the actual scenes have not been classified according to these exacting criteria. Things don't work the way the user would expect. Some updates are delayed for days. Despite the messy and unfinished design the content is still very much worth it, in my opinion.

I haven't noticed problems with download speeds, but my connection is not all that fast. Still I'm getting consistently much better speeds than your 130 kilobytes?/sec.

The latest Eve Angel update is at Club Sandy, a scene with Peaches. Apparently Sophie Moone's site will start updating again in the future, the latest news being she is back in business.

02-18-10  08:36am - 5421 days #3
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Originally Posted by moonbyrd:


Agree that the new user interface seems somewhat unfinished. There are oodles of search options for scenes including rigorously classified ass, nipple and vulva shapes and sizes (what on earth is a pigtail ass, for instance? these classifications should come with helpful illustrations), but often these options are less than helpful, maybe because the actual scenes have not been classified according to these exacting criteria. Things don't work the way the user would expect. Some updates are delayed for days. Despite the messy and unfinished design the content is still very much worth it, in my opinion.

I haven't noticed problems with download speeds, but my connection is not all that fast. Still I'm getting consistently much better speeds than your 130 kilobytes?/sec.

The latest Eve Angel update is at Club Sandy, a scene with Peaches. Apparently Sophie Moone's site will start updating again in the future, the latest news being she is back in business.


Thanks, moonbyrd - the correct english word here is 'user interface' - and the old - and a bit conservative style - needed updating.
But to go out with this for a former great/top site is what I'd call unfinished..
Sure there's still fine content, agree...but this is not a user friendly site at the moment, alas..
I always do downloads manually before using DLM - it tells a lot - before there where no problems getting 650-700 without DLM. But ok, when I now turn to DLM - I still get that speed, though it's NOT steady (sometimes about 400 kb with DLM)

And allround: Is this the DDF-effect? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 18, 2010, 08:53am

02-18-10  10:44am - 5421 days #4
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Go on to the eurobabeindex forum and seek out the user tiger who posts frequently and who works for 21Sextury.

Every site goes through their set of issues some time along the way. This is just porn, try not to take it too seriously.

Remember when we used to have to pay $100 for a single crappy VHS of a few scenes? This site was $20 for the month, $10 of which goes to pornusers.com, $3 goes to epoch, $2 goes to their bandwidth and server costs. In the end 21Sextury netted just $5. Edited on Feb 18, 2010, 10:57am

02-18-10  11:31am - 5421 days #5
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Originally Posted by justme:


Go on to the eurobabeindex forum and seek out the user tiger who posts frequently and who works for 21Sextury.

Every site goes through their set of issues some time along the way. This is just porn, try not to take it too seriously.

Remember when we used to have to pay $100 for a single crappy VHS of a few scenes? This site was $20 for the month, $10 of which goes to pornusers.com, $3 goes to epoch, $2 goes to their bandwidth and server costs. In the end 21Sextury netted just $5.


NOT take Porn seriously? That's an outrageous statement. I hope Khan will severely censor you for that remark. :-)

02-18-10  12:05pm - 5421 days #6
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Originally Posted by justme:


This is just porn, try not to take it too seriously.


Blasphemy!

Messemer is right: beware the wrath of Khan! ;) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

02-18-10  01:25pm - 5421 days #7
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x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:01pm

02-18-10  02:39pm - 5421 days #8
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


I'll post my review on the whole enchilada sometime next week.


Well, on that note, seems that there's a little too much "cheese on the taco" with those 21st Sextury sites. As in cheesy webmastering, messed up links, and as a result, missed Tacotunities.

I was just about to rejoin Club Sandy after being away since, believe it or not, July of 2007. Now I'm recoiling. I don't want another messed up site to fuck with this weekend. Let's just say I'm already sated in that department.

Thanks to all for being on the same wavelength. Thanks Vegas Ken for switching it on and tuning it in. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-18-10  06:50pm - 5421 days #9
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I miss the old setup but I'm getting used to the new site. I had some major headaches at first and I still do from time to time, but once you satrt to surf through the sites and network then it gets easier. My biggest problem was that I lost access to the network in the beginning because my membership got tagged as a trial. I could see the content but couldn't download it. I did some back and forth with one of their tech guys and it got fixed. I will be glad when they fix the bugs. Long live the Brown Coats.

02-18-10  07:40pm - 5421 days #10
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I've also gotten used to the new set-up - they were playing with it in a number of the secondary sites for a while. I don't have the issues with lots of links not working and my download speed is fine -I'm sailing along at 520 kb/sec

The only site that has undergone a reduced update calendar is PixandVideo - 4 updates a week instead of 7.

Club Sandy used to have a pic set one day and a related vid set the next day - now they do the same 4 update a week pic-and-vid update as they do with Pix and Video - and at the point that they decreased the rate of updates for Pix and Video, they announced that there will be a new premium site unveiled in 2010 and that it would be part of the network - so if you're a Pix and Video member, you'll have acces to that new site - perhaps they'll raise their prices at that point. I wouldn't be surprised.

02-18-10  07:51pm - 5420 days #11
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I haven't tried the new version out yet. Hopefully, it will get fixed.

Denner, on the Eve/Sophie set check for the Sweet Sophie Moone update on 8-15-2008. Think it is titled, "girlfriends" they also have a backstage video of it as well that is worth watching for a laugh. You get the idea that Eve and Sophie really do like each other and are into each other. I believe the backstage is the one Sophie says, "I get butterflies when I work with Eve. She's very good."

I also noticed they are showing some kind of agreement with other studios. In the tour, when you do the drop down box, it is now separated by sites/studios. I guess the other studios are filling in those extra bonus sites? I will probably join it this weekend. I noticed while looking around that Liza Del Sierra has several new sets I don't have. Don't know where she came from, but I'd like to be there when she gets back! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

02-19-10  01:51am - 5420 days #12
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OK now the download speeds have gone down and the streaming is unusable. Hoping that is just a temporary hiccup.

02-19-10  02:55am - 5420 days #13
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Apart from the annoying, unsteady download speed (which have been really bad the last half a day with periods of no connection) - and the layout/navigation, which you might get used to, then this:

Some thumbnails are not there or do not work, but worse: some of the material that should be with the working thumbnails are not there.
For one: At Lusty Busty Chix there is or supposed to be photos and video of Sammie Rhodes - updated three days ago - but nothing..

Wanted to do some rebuild of older collection and went to Dana V. Two of scenes that should be behind the thumbnail where just not there either..

When browsing Models there's this arrow to go to more scenes - quite a few places it does not work - ok, you can go to Browse all scenes - but anyway...

The main objection is still the fewer updates at the old motherload, PixandVideo - and those other sites with most updates are the ones with the later Loyalty access.


BTW: Exotics, found that scene - thanks! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 19, 2010, 03:50am

02-19-10  03:29am - 5420 days #14
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That Sammie Rhodes scene will turn up eventually. I have seen that kind of thing happen a lot with new updates. Sometimes the actual content is delayed for days.

Agree that browsing is a pain. My main annoyance is that when you are on a certain page of a long list of scenes and open one of them, you can't go back to that page any more - the back button brings you to the first page.

Why can't they have a simple text search for names and such - for instance now it is impossible to search for scenes where Model A is paired with Model B (except by browsing either model's scenes until you find the one you want).

I just noticed that the download speed problem seems to be file specific.

02-19-10  09:40am - 5420 days #15
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You know, I am starting to understand why photographers get away with publishing such mind numbingly boring sets. Let me hasten to stress: To me! Many of you guys collect by model so anything, anything at all that's new on her site will be downloaded, exciting or not because the goal is to have as many sets of her as possible.

In contrast, most of the solo sites you mention above were hardly ever visited by me when I was a member of 21sextury because I collect by niche and would, to this day, not be able to give you most of the names of the stars whose pictures, videos I collect. Basically I collect the scenes and sets I like and ignore the many others by them that I don't. I too have some favorites, of course but am just pointing out the difference when it comes to the methods of collecting.

Each of the methods is equally valid and there is no criticism intended. It's just an "AHA!" moment for me because it explains something that was baffling to me before: why put out so many sets of a model that are basically identical except for the first ten pictures or so. If you do collect "names" you would want them all. If my model, on the other hand, doesn't wear enough sexy lingerie or steps outside one of my favorite niches her set/scene gets rejected, pretty face, body and all.

Aha, now I get it! :-) Edited on Feb 19, 2010, 09:44am

02-19-10  11:02am - 5420 days #16
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Sweeping generalizations based on inaccurate/incomplete data are seldom advisable.

I expect many people pick the movies they want to see at least partly based on who's in it (or who directed it or who wrote it). I know I do. Of course that doesn't mean they blindly want to watch any movie, no matter how bad, that certain favorite actor happens to appear in. However, a familiar name in the credits may raise certain expectations (justified or not) about the work.

I don't see why porn would be a different matter. There are models/porn stars who bring a certain quality/personality to their scenes. (On the other hand, my impression - correct or not - is that these days directors/photographers are in danger of sinking into obscurity. Deservedly or not. There were some porn auteurs in earlier days, and there may still be, but the "disposable" quality of Internet porn does not seem to be conducive to that kind of phenomenon.)

Yes, there may be people who want to "collect" everything with a certain model, no matter how badly photographed etc. I guess I can see the attraction, and digital media make this kind of pack-rat completism deceptively easy. On the other hand it makes one lose sight of what the porn viewing experience should be about. Edited on Feb 19, 2010, 11:06am

02-19-10  03:53pm - 5420 days #17
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Originally Posted by moonbyrd:


Sweeping generalizations based on inaccurate/incomplete data are seldom advisable.

I expect many people pick the movies they want to see at least partly based on who's in it (or who directed it or who wrote it). I know I do. Of course that doesn't mean they blindly want to watch any movie, no matter how bad, that certain favorite actor happens to appear in. However, a familiar name in the credits may raise certain expectations (justified or not) about the work.

I don't see why porn would be a different matter. There are models/porn stars who bring a certain quality/personality to their scenes. (On the other hand, my impression - correct or not - is that these days directors/photographers are in danger of sinking into obscurity. Deservedly or not. There were some porn auteurs in earlier days, and there may still be, but the "disposable" quality of Internet porn does not seem to be conducive to that kind of phenomenon.)

Yes, there may be people who want to "collect" everything with a certain model, no matter how badly photographed etc. I guess I can see the attraction, and digital media make this kind of pack-rat completism deceptively easy. On the other hand it makes one lose sight of what the porn viewing experience should be about.


I love sweeping generalizations, moonbyrd! :-)

Nevertheless I think my thesis, no matter how subjective, holds a certain merit. For instance, there are groupies who would follow a rock band no matter how old or how bad they have become. There are folks who are so smitten with a particular movie star that they would go watch every movie he/she appears in.

In my more limited world I'll go see my favorite if he/she is in a Comedy, if he/she performs in a Drama .. forget it.
There's no right or wrong to it, simply personal taste. I just don't want to be burdened at the movies with heavy subject matter. If I want drama I have enough of that in real life. :-)

Same with Porn. I have a few favorites but because of my taste, and like or dislike of certain actions which shall remain nameless lest I offend anyone, I only download scenes or photo sets of theirs that fall within my favorite niches.

One sentence of yours has me baffled: what should the Porn Viewing experience be all about? Wouldn't that depend on who does the viewing?

Regards and good to see you in this forum!

02-21-10  08:42am - 5418 days #18
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Just an update about 'the struggle' - for anyone who cares and/or might consider joining/joining again:

The last 12-18 hours the downloadspeed has been at 140-180 kb/sec - USING downloadmanager - without, it was close to useless.

Updates which are dated 3-4 days back are not effective!

And this very strange thing which I think is sloppy in the renewal of the site - VIDEOS:
(At least) at Pixandvideo and ClubSandy there are quite a lot of videos dated 2008 and 2007 - most I've seen before, naturally.
But now MOST videos from 2008 only have 'medium quality' clips - but the 2007 have the 'high quality' ditto...

I cannot see the logic: that videos from 2008 should have worse quality (and offered in lower quality) than videos from 2007. It's got to be some mistake in their site-renewal...

And that 'medium quality' videos for 2008 are just terrible in viewing quality - found 6-8 scenes downloaded some time ago (half a year or so) before the change, anyway - AND they are a LOT better than what's offered today - the same scenes - weird... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 21, 2010, 08:59am

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