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05-29-10  09:23am - 5321 days Original Post - #1
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Are the use of condoms in sex scenes a turn-off?

I don't know about you, but the moment the camera reveals the sight of a rubber being used during a hot f..k-scene, the erotic appeal immediately takes a nose-dive.
I'd be interested to know if the appearence of this pecker-checker has a similar effect upon others -- or makes no difference at all.

05-29-10  09:48am - 5321 days #2
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I'm not too bothered if I only see a bit of it during a penetration shot, but I hate it when I see a shot of a whole cock with a condom on it... even worse when the guys pulls out and quickly pulls it off before shooting his load. Not nice.

05-29-10  10:06am - 5321 days #3
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In addition to the answers you get here, you might want to take a look at some previous polls that addressed this issue ...

What's your biggest turn-off in hetero videos ?

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Are condoms in porn a deal breaker? Former PornUsers Senior Administrator
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05-29-10  10:44am - 5321 days #4
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Originally Posted by Khan:


In addition to the answers you get here, you might want to take a look at some previous polls that addressed this issue ...

What's your biggest turn-off in hetero videos ?

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Are condoms in porn a deal breaker?


I obviously missed those in my pre-thread archive-search.
Thanks, Chief, I shall indeed check them out.

05-29-10  10:48am - 5321 days #5
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graymane - I'm with you on this, but I think we're just thinking old-school. Before AIDS, when unprotected sex wasn't a potential matter of life and death, condoms in porn were rarer than creampie scenes. (Gee - must be some correlation in there somewhere) I understand why some performers now insist on their use, but I still don't like seeing them. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

05-29-10  11:28am - 5321 days #6
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I don't like seeing condoms used. But this is stupidity or prejudice on my part. Because of AIDS and other diseases, condoms should be required in all porn scenes, and I need to learn to accept that.

05-29-10  11:52am - 5321 days #7
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The only unprotected sex porn that's safe for the performers are those with husband-wife/boyfriend-girlfriend who stay faithful. Maybe that's the future of safe porn?

05-29-10  12:38pm - 5321 days #8
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I just find condoms a turn off in porn, so wont join sites where they use them.

05-29-10  06:08pm - 5321 days #9
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Originally Posted by pinkerton:


The only unprotected sex porn that's safe for the performers are those with husband-wife/boyfriend-girlfriend who stay faithful. Maybe that's the future of safe porn?


I believe the key word in your statement is faithfull and I don't think that faithfullness is often used with porn performers. For argument sake, I will agree that there is a married couple that is both faithfull and have great sex that someone films. How many scenes would you watch before you'd get tired of seeing them both have sex? Long live the Brown Coats.

05-29-10  06:12pm - 5321 days #10
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I've never made it a secret that I think condoms should be mandatory in any penetration. I appreciate that many people prefer the bareback look but I don't care either way and I think the health and safety of someone I pay money to see have sex should come ahead of my pleasure.
I don't want to read about all the cases of herpes, vaginal & anal warts, syphilis, AIDS and all the others.
Those kind of stories make me feel both dirty and guilty because a human being got sick and may die because I wanted to get off. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-29-10  08:09pm - 5321 days #11
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I've never made it a secret that I think condoms should be mandatory in any penetration. I appreciate that many people prefer the bareback look but I don't care either way and I think the health and safety of someone I pay money to see have sex should come ahead of my pleasure.
I don't want to read about all the cases of herpes, vaginal & anal warts, syphilis, AIDS and all the others.
Those kind of stories make me feel both dirty and guilty because a human being got sick and may die because I wanted to get off.


You make a very persuasive argument, Pat....But the fact is, the risk of disease amoungst porn stars directly related to on-job filming/taping is so negligible it's a non-issue. A little research on the matter should bare me out. Its also common knowledge that extremely protective measures are taken, the most positive of which is ongoing testing for those in the business. The ones you hear about that do contract sexually transmitted disease are patently the result of outside activity....case in point: John Holmes. Should I feel guilty in voting for the absense of condoms? These guys and gals in the porn business are being paid big bucks...a lot of which is coming from yours and my pocket, therefore I'm paying for them to give me what I want...just as I pay taxes for police to take risks for my protection. Until the porn stars do something as daring as march on the studios for compulsory condom wearing....I ain't losing no sleep worring about the consequenses.

05-30-10  09:00am - 5320 days #12
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


You make a very persuasive argument, Pat....But the fact is, the risk of disease amoungst porn stars directly related to on-job filming/taping is so negligible it's a non-issue. A little research on the matter should bare me out. Its also common knowledge that extremely protective measures are taken, the most positive of which is ongoing testing for those in the business. The ones you hear about that do contract sexually transmitted disease are patently the result of outside activity....case in point: John Holmes.


You are probably right about pornstars catching STD's from someone not in the biz, but they will still transmit it to their partners that are in the biz. I don't care where the guy or girl got herpes because that's not important. The fact remains that he or she is now a carrier and may infect all future partners who will then infect someone else and so on. Using a condom is not a foolproof way to prevent the transmission of an STD but it's certainly better than nothing. If what I've read was true than most of the pornstars have had at least one or more STD in their career. Add the fact that their are some new strands of STD's that are harder to treat.

I'd rather the Government didn't get involved because that is sure to be a clusterfuck of galactic proportion. The problem is that nobody is willing to do it from the inside. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-30-10  09:43am - 5320 days #13
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I don't wear no stinkin' condom! No condoms! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

05-30-10  10:24am - 5320 days #14
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I don't know if they are a complete turn-off, I certainly don't care for them, but it's not a deal breaker.

As far as the risks, personally I kind of see it as one of the hazards of the job that these performers are signing up for. I mean I don't want to be insensitive, but anyone looking to get into the biz thinking they are going to be completely safe from STD's are foolish. Like any business, it is not designed to serve the employees, but the consumers.

There are already safeguards in place, and rightly so because of the risk that is inherent in what they are doing. If they want to go a step further perhaps they should all take some sort of personal vow or pledge to only sleep with their fellow performers in the industry, during the years they are performing.

05-30-10  12:24pm - 5320 days #15
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I agree, condom use is a total turn-off for me. I watch porn for fantasy not reality, and condoms are just another part of reality creeping their way in to piss me off and ruin my day. In the world of porn everybody seems to be enjoying themselves equally, the guy frequently gets to partner with more than one woman, the couch/carpet/ceiling is ruined with reckless abandon, and no condoms have to be used--all part of the crazy, wonderful fantasy I get to enjoy as viewer.

Granted, special effects in porn, well, don't actually exist and the risks performers take on screen are quite real but life is full of risks and these people are fully aware of that. If they actually had a strict condoms-only policy they wouldn't be in the business because I don't think the business could survive on such a model. I also don't think the business is there to truly serve the customers but instead serve their bottom lines, though customer demands do make their way into things and it's why we don't see burning rubber.

I will admit that for a pet peeve condom use should be at the bottom of the list, but it's not. What the guy has wrapped around his penis is not really my concern, I mean I don't stop the video if he has genital piercing, so why do I get upset about the condoms? Again it's the fantasy aspect and a prejudice I probably won't give up anytime soon either. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

05-30-10  12:31pm - 5320 days #16
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I'll cast my vote for condoms being a turn-off. I can't really explain why, but they seem to drop the heat level of a scene for me.

05-30-10  01:35pm - 5320 days #17
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'll cast my vote for condoms being a turn-off. I can't really explain why, but they seem to drop the heat level of a scene for me.


My sentiments, exactly...appreciate your input, admiral.

05-30-10  02:28pm - 5320 days #18
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'll cast my vote for condoms being a turn-off. I can't really explain why, but they seem to drop the heat level of a scene for me.


For me, in real life, stopping to put on a condom always changed sex from a spontaneous act to something that was pre-arranged. Of course, being monogamous made the whole procedure unnecessary.

It is possible that this attitude influences me when I watch porn. I know that everyone in the business should use a condom but it does drop the heat level for me as well.

05-30-10  02:44pm - 5320 days #19
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I know I have previously said that everyone in porn should use condoms. But on thinking it over a bit, I think that if the women don't want to wear a condom, that should be their personal choice. But it should still be required for all male performers, and for she-males as well.

05-30-10  03:30pm - 5320 days #20
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"Lay Techs" can be on the porn flick set, but not latex! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

05-30-10  06:27pm - 5320 days #21
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pat362 said "I think the health and safety of someone I pay money to see have sex should come ahead of my pleasure."

Thank you pat362, you said it well. I do care whether the guy in porn I watch wears a condom: when he does, I think "oh thank heavens"; when he doesn't, yes, the sex may seem a bit more natural but I think "I hope they aren't getting infected just to make a living". Actually, in the rare video where the girl puts the condom on the guy in plain sight, I applaud. To me, that means that she is looking forward to sex but wants it to be safe for both of them -- that is a turn on for me. Since I greatly prefer creampies over facials, the one downside to condoms is that they get in the way of creampies. I don't mind at all if the guy yanks the condom off before spurting over the girl's tummy -- what matters to me is that he is genuinely excited and cumming because the sex turns him on, rather than jacking himself on or off camera to cum (now THAT is a turn-off for me!).

05-30-10  08:21pm - 5320 days #22
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Originally Posted by BabyGetReal:


. Since I greatly prefer creampies over facials, the one downside to condoms is that they get in the way of creampies. I don't mind at all if the guy yanks the condom off before spurting over the girl's tummy -- what matters to me is that he is genuinely excited and cumming because the sex turns him on, rather than jacking himself on or off camera to cum (now THAT is a turn-off for me!).


Help me to understand something,here ... because I thought "creampies" was intercourse wherein the male's ejaculate is seen oozing out of woman's vagina.
If this is the case, then there had to be penile penetration, and if there was penile penetration then the guy's bare cock had to be inside the woman's vagina.
This already negates the argument about condom safty. You see, it's the bodily fluids or surface abrasions on the penis that puts his partner at risk.
Speaking of bodily fluids..Doesn't almost all fuck scenes end with the (possible) infected "fluid" being ejectulated outside the pussy? (insanely, right in the woman's face)? Wouldn't that in fact reduce or eleminate STD risks?
OK, opposed....the ball's in your court.

05-30-10  08:57pm - 5319 days #23
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


I don't know about you, but the moment the camera reveals the sight of a rubber being used during a hot f..k-scene, the erotic appeal immediately takes a nose-dive.
I'd be interested to know if the appearence of this pecker-checker has a similar effect upon others -- or makes no difference at all.

We use condoms in our video shoots because we work with a lot of "First Timers" who are very nervous about doing their first video. It helps put them at ease knowing the chance of contracting an STD is minimized.

Our members understand this and have stated they would rather have the girls be safe and really enjoy themselves rather than brave the entire shoot with a fear of STD's. Our male talent cup the condom in their hand as they pull out. It slides off in their hand, unseen by the viewer, prior to doing the popshot. I have never had any complaints about the use of condoms.

05-30-10  11:44pm - 5319 days #24
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Originally Posted by Yariana:


We use condoms in our video shoots because we work with a lot of "First Timers" who are very nervous about doing their first video. It helps put them at ease knowing the chance of contracting an STD is minimized.

Our members understand this and have stated they would rather have the girls be safe and really enjoy themselves rather than brave the entire shoot with a fear of STD's. Our male talent cup the condom in their hand as they pull out. It slides off in their hand, unseen by the viewer, prior to doing the popshot. I have never had any complaints about the use of condoms.


It's rather extraordinary you have such a rapport with your members. Most all the web sites to which I've been a member, they couldn't care less about any opinion I might have about anything. It appears, under the circomstances, you're managing your site well and on the way to bigger and better. With all due respect, however, as tempting as you've discribed it, I'd have to pass on ever being a member soley on the basis condoms are visible. This can be remedid, were it that important, by some simple and creative camera work. But Let me be brutely frank: many, many guys out there feel as I do about these visable sheathings... they slice erotic impact and compromise the essence of a hot scene. It's akin to taking a shower wearing your raincoat.
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05-31-10  09:38am - 5319 days #25
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Yes, if the performers aren't putting themselves at risk of AIDS to a significant degree, then I'm not interested.

Kidding - I'm not bothered by condoms because I really don't care all that much about the look of the cock unless it's excessively disgusting. Whether the cock is wearing a little raincoat or one of those sweaters that people put on their dachsunds doesn't really bother me.

05-31-10  03:34pm - 5319 days #26
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I'm not bothered by condoms because I really don't care all that much about the look of the cock unless it's excessively disgusting. Whether the cock is wearing a little raincoat or one of those sweaters that people put on their dachsunds doesn't really bother me.


Funny stuff, Panther. Perhaps some humor will help stir this thread up a bit ... probably needs it.
Now, lemme see if I can be a little more specific:
To me, it's not how a cock looks, moves, spits cum, or whatever. But I've been around the block enough in my many years to keenly decern the difference between how it feels with and without a condom when my member is at work inside a pussy....and the difference is monumental.
As with all good pics. or video scenes of a guy humping this incredibley sexy babe, the closest I'm gonna get to the action is vicariously immersing myself into the role. But if he's wearing a wrapper....well, I rest my case.

06-01-10  06:25pm - 5318 days #27
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Personally, I like fucking with a condom on. I tend to buy the kind with all the bumps and things that stimulate women. Having a condom on enables me to last a whole lot longer than I otherwise would since the stimulation is so much less - so it's fun to be going at it for such a long period of time, trying out different crazy positions, etc.

06-12-10  08:22am - 5307 days #28
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One more reason to prefer girl/girl porn. No condoms is more attractive, but they've never been a turn-off for me. I'm usually focusing on the girl's reactions, anyway.

My best friend at one time was a fairly promiscuous gay man and he died of AIDS in the early 90s, and a fair number of my acquaintances died of it as well. That never leaves the back of my mind. I would never disrespect a porn performer for using or insisting on the use of condoms.

Condoms bring porn out of the realm of pure fantasy and remind us that these are real people working to make a living, just like us. They're like hockey players wearing helmets.

06-12-10  09:46am - 5307 days #29
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Originally Posted by Sevrin:


One more reason to prefer girl/girl porn. No condoms is more attractive, but they've never been a turn-off for me. I'm usually focusing on the girl's reactions, anyway.

My best friend at one time was a fairly promiscuous gay man and he died of AIDS in the early 90s, and a fair number of my acquaintances died of it as well. That never leaves the back of my mind. I would never disrespect a porn performer for using or insisting on the use of condoms.

Condoms bring porn out of the realm of pure fantasy and remind us that these are real people working to make a living, just like us. They're like hockey players wearing helmets.


Hey Sevrin, I agree with everything you say when it comes to the health and safety of the performers, trouble is that this is in conflict with my fantasies (as you stated so well.) I don't want to think of them as working girls/guys even though they are. Same reason I never download or watch "Behind The Scenes" offered in the videos. I don't want to see reality because it interferes with my imagination. That's one of the reasons why I am being drawn back more and more to Solo and g/g sites.

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Yeah I find them a turnoff,and usually dont join sites which use them. Its up to the actors to take care of themselves and get tested on a regular basis to insure that they are clean and not passing stuff along to their fellow actors.Robin68 Robin68

06-16-10  06:59pm - 5303 days #31
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There was this porn flick in the 80's I saw once in which the man kept saying to the woman, in this New England accent, "Don't make me weh a rubbah!" It wasn't part of the "story" or anything; it just suddenly popped out as an "issue." I thought the guy was a really selfish pig. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

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Yes! no condom please!, old school the best and if not... test your ass for any diseases no just AIDS

06-24-10  07:32am - 5295 days #33
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i don't like it, though i feel for those models which must do it i'm here for sport ))

02-20-14  07:25pm - 3958 days #34
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I feel the need to respawn this thread since condoms use is now mandatory in California, home of so many porn studios!

I'm seeing more and more "latex" scenes across the web and to be honest, it just turns me off completely!

I read many stories, articles and rumors here and there and I don't know what to think anymore about this whole condom thing. Some say porn is moving to Las Vegas to avoid condoms (60% of California studios so far) while others say all studios are switching to condoms. It's also belived that the US Government's next move is to attack Las Vegas and perhaps even Florida while they're at it so that condoms use become mandatory all across the states.

This whole thing sucks because in the last 2-3 years, porn was finally improving in my opinion. With new websites, pornstars, quality standards (HD content) and more updates, it looked like the beginning of a new and promising era in the porn industry.

What do you guys think?

Are condoms a turn-off for you?

What do you think is to be expected from both the porn industry and the US government?

02-25-14  04:59pm - 3953 days #35
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MrLewdy, though I'm not averse condom use in real life (arguably the one hoop that almost any horny guy is willing to overcome in order to get laid), I still don't like them in porn. For the same reasons I'm not too interested in the frequently depressing and merciless background stories of performers, condoms are simply too real for the escapist fantasy I'm looking for in my porn.

Granted, a lot of the porn I regularly watch would not come under the rubber jackboot of condom regulations--girl-girl, solo girl, and all the non-penile but still aggressive stuff that goes on in boy-girl. But I'm in the camp that thinks this will simply drive producers to shoot elsewhere, as we've seen happen over the last year, instead of genuine increases in health and safety.

Beyond the studios and bigger sites, will these types of regulations even effectively protect amateur and webcam/shot-at-home type content? I don't think so, in the same way Seymore Butts' legal problems in the early 2000s over a single fisting scene kept fisting off of American DVDs while it flourished online and in countless Euro releases. And, like fisting, I think condom-free content will find a way. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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A practical and more positive approach for making all this mess go away is simply to find a cure for Aids.
A thoughtful move in that direction would be on the part of the porn industry to unleash some of the obscene profits they're wresting from you and me and pour a sizable share of it into really serious research to kick HIV ass.

02-25-14  11:50pm - 3952 days #37
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No offense, graymane, but I'd give the porn industry greater hopes for discovering cold fusion than a cure for AIDS, or even a vaccine. (I doubt even supposed Mensa member Asia Carrera could come up with one.)

Plus, they're a for-profit industry, so the "obscene profits" are the whole point, not safe sex education or donating to "good" causes. It'd be like the beef industry donating to PETA or promoting vegetarianism. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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No condoms in my niche. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

03-07-14  10:00am - 3943 days #39
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


No offense, graymane, but I'd give the porn industry greater hopes for discovering cold fusion than a cure for AIDS, or even a vaccine. (I doubt even supposed Mensa member Asia Carrera could come up with one.)


I'd like to add that pointing at HIV as the primary reason for forcing the industry to go all condom is a big mistake because condoms have not really been used in porn since the very beginning in the 70's and the total number of infected people is insignificant when compared to the number of every types of STD's. The simple truth is that condoms are the only technological solution to limiting the infections of std's and that's why they should be mandatory. Long live the Brown Coats.

03-07-14  06:42pm - 3943 days #40
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AIDS and HIV are still the big killers, in regards to both career and life (though with enough medication, a person can live infected with AIDS for years before dying). Yes, other STDs can be lethal if left untreated but are far more manageable than HIV, a virus (no cure) that attacks the immune system (thus making people quite vulnerable to infections that would otherwise be survivable).

I've even heard in interviews--not BTS ones, mind you--that gonorrhea is sometimes treated as "the flu" where a performer won't work for a few weeks until treatment is finished, since it's apparently fairly common but not a career killer like AIDS/HIV. And though the blood tests performers get test for numerous STDs it's still AIDS scares that cause moratoriums.

Despite the California law, which like so many of its other feel-good laws is just pushing people to work around it, I think it's going to be treated like injuries have been in the NFL--covered up and denied by the business but ultimately accepted by fans. Yes, porn performers get tests and football players wear padding and helmets, but people still get sick and athletes wind up with fractures and frightening head injuries. And if we're being honest none of this should be surprising. Look at the increasing aggression and violence in both professional football and porn: people literally running into each other and purposely sharing bodily fluids.

People are bound to get hurt as a result of all of this. And I just don't see us going back anytime soon, laws and regulations be damned. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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^I don't disagree with you but I was only pointing out that to only HIV has the reason for going all condom in porn is a mistake because the numbers HIV infected people in the porn industry is almost negligible when compared to almost any other type of STD. Warts and herpes probably won't kill you but it's still a life sentence for the person who gets the virus and sadly quite a few performers have been infected with one of these. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-20-15  10:14am - 3534 days #42
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Judging by this thread it really seams like the majority of people find condoms as a major turnoff. As do I. And I really hope the porn insustry realizes that because I assume there are a HUGE number of people (just like myself) would stop subscribing to porn sites, stop buying new porn DVDs and watching our favorite downloaded scenes and/or using free tube sites.

What I think will happen is people will stop subscribing to porn sites causing the porn industry to make less and less money making it more difficult for these networks to attract fewer top-tier hot girls causing even fewer people to subscribe to porn sites.

I feel like a great example of how badly condoms would effect the industry is if one major network was to make condoms use websites. Kinda like a condom fetish. Just to see how poorly it would do compared to their normal porn sites. Someone correct me if some major networks already have "condom websites".

04-20-15  05:57pm - 3534 days #43
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^I don't know if you are aware but what you wrote is the same thing that almost every other person who prefers bareback porn says when discussing condom in porn. I've had plenty of back and forth discussion with some of them and I've come to the conclusion that you can't change their mind but it hasn't stopped me from trying so here goes.

Are you telling us that if the porn industry decides to go condom only then you will no longer buy any porn with condoms in it? Hopefully you aren't saying that you will stop paying for it but keep on downloading it from torrent and tube sites because that would be a very different thing.

At this moment the industry is more or less still shooting bareback porn and yet they are seeing less and less people actually paying for it so why would going condom only mean that even more people would stop paying for porn.

One of the biggest porn studio at the moment is called Wicked. Clearly you must never have heard of them but they have been shooting condom only porn for decades and they are still making a profit so why is it that they can make money when shooting condom only porn but every other studio would suffer? Long live the Brown Coats.

04-27-15  01:03pm - 3527 days #44
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Frankly, the last thing I care about in a hardcore scene is the guy's dick. I don't mind condoms at all as long as the action is good, the chemistry is hot and so is the girl.

04-29-15  12:30am - 3525 days #45
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Thanks, guys, for awaking this long slumbering thread.
Tis an issue that ain't ..... nor shouldn't go away.

Commencing to bring said thread up to date .....

Lets call the Porn conglomerates Goliath!
An' lets just call the young boy waving a slingshot David!


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