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07-19-10  05:54pm - 5270 days Original Post - #1
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I recently upgraded my internet connection to a 10MB/sec fiber-op system. That’s the basic available with this ISP and they currently have services of up to 70MB/sec available and are planning up to 170MB/sec within a year. I don’t use the internet for much. For me, my computer is one big porn magazine that lets me also read newspapers from around the world. I’ve never found a porn site that allows greater than 2MB/sec download. What on earth would someone do with a 70 or even 170 MB/sec connection? What kind of sites and what kind of material is available at those speeds?

07-19-10  06:49pm - 5270 days #2
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I recently upgraded my internet connection to a 10MB/sec fiber-op system. That�s the basic available with this ISP and they currently have services of up to 70MB/sec available and are planning up to 170MB/sec within a year. I don�t use the internet for much. For me, my computer is one big porn magazine that lets me also read newspapers from around the world. I�ve never found a porn site that allows greater than 2MB/sec download. What on earth would someone do with a 70 or even 170 MB/sec connection? What kind of sites and what kind of material is available at those speeds?


I am currently subscribing to an ISP (Cable) that gives me a 30MB/s connection but find that in most places you are restricted to a much lower speed anyway. It does make a small difference in that files that downloaded from some sites at 1.6 MB/s before are now doing so at 2.7 - 3MB/s if it's a single download through DTA.

So is it worth it? Probably not at the moment, but I think there will be more and more high quality streaming coming on line and there a fast connection might be just what's needed.

07-19-10  07:34pm - 5270 days #3
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I agree with messmer. 10 should be fine for now but as I haven't seen anything over 3MB/s myself but I bet within a couple years those restrictions on porn servers will slowly increase.

07-19-10  09:57pm - 5270 days #4
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I think we'll have to start seeing bandwidth get much cheaper from a business perspective before sites increase their download speeds. As for what you can use that speed for, right now it's basically concurrent downloads (like, for example, torrents, which do have some legal uses), and maybe connecting to some private servers that don't but bandwidth caps on each connection.

07-20-10  03:49am - 5269 days #5
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In Canada many (maybe most) ISPs put low monthly download limits on users that makes the issue even more difficult to deal with. If you find a site capable of 5MB/sec downloads but are then only allowed 60GB without high additional costs then the value of a high-speed service is questionable. My ISP doesn't impose limits (yet) but say that anything over 250GB per month is considered questionable. I can easily download that in a month with some decent memberships.

Are download limits imposed by ISPs common in the U.S. or Europe?

07-20-10  08:19am - 5269 days #6
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


I think we'll have to start seeing bandwidth get much cheaper from a business perspective before sites increase their download speeds. As for what you can use that speed for, right now it's basically concurrent downloads (like, for example, torrents, which do have some legal uses), and maybe connecting to some private servers that don't but bandwidth caps on each connection.


LOL... Can I really restrict my download speeds? Not that I want to, but would be good to know I suppose!

Its a shame you can't limit downloads for certain i.p's rather than all incorporating. There are some real nasty ones that keep coming on and nicking everything. Mistress Kent xx

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07-20-10  09:31am - 5269 days #7
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


In Canada many (maybe most) ISPs put low monthly download limits on users that makes the issue even more difficult to deal with. If you find a site capable of 5MB/sec downloads but are then only allowed 60GB without high additional costs then the value of a high-speed service is questionable. My ISP doesn't impose limits (yet) but say that anything over 250GB per month is considered questionable. I can easily download that in a month with some decent memberships.

Are download limits imposed by ISPs common in the U.S. or Europe?


My ISP too sets no limits. I've threatened to cut off all business with them (telephone, cable, Internet) if they ever do. They have promised faithfully to never restrict me.

07-20-10  01:43pm - 5269 days #8
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I'm with Bell Aliant in NB which for now imposes no download limits. Rogers does, and I read recently that Bell Canada applied for the ability to impose limits. If you have a service provider other than those two you're lucky, but if a smaller ISP buys access from one of those two then the restrictions may still be imposed.

I have a family member who works for Bell Aliant who said the business case for imposing limits isn't there. That tells me that those who do impose them are just being pricks.

On a related note, Netflix has said they'll be operating in Canada by the fall. I suspect a lot of new Netflix customers will learn the hard way that their ISP imposes limits when they get the bill for data over the limit.

07-20-10  02:14pm - 5269 days #9
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'm with Bell Aliant in NB which for now imposes no download limits. Rogers does, and I read recently that Bell Canada applied for the ability to impose limits. If you have a service provider other than those two you're lucky, but if a smaller ISP buys access from one of those two then the restrictions may still be imposed.

I have a family member who works for Bell Aliant who said the business case for imposing limits isn't there. That tells me that those who do impose them are just being pricks.

On a related note, Netflix has said they'll be operating in Canada by the fall. I suspect a lot of new Netflix customers will learn the hard way that their ISP imposes limits when they get the bill for data over the limit.


I was thinking of Netflix when I wrote about more and more streaming content coming down the pipe on the internet and therefore the need for greater speed. I was also thinking, when I read your original post, how ridiculous it was in this day and age to impose download limitations. The streaming of a couple of HD movies a week would pretty well take care of one's monthly quota. Nothing but greed on the part of Rogers / Bell Aliant.

My ISP is Eastlink Cable (Nova Scotia based but expanding into other areas) and they've given me their word that they will never impose limitations. If they ever went back on their word I would truly unsubscribe from their service and feed off my extensive stash for the next ten years instead! I don't reward greed!

07-20-10  02:24pm - 5269 days #10
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My home ISP is unlimited and has promised to keep it that way. I don't know what my monthly total is but I know I can cross 10GB in a day on occasions. I have four PC's sharing my connection so it's kept pretty active.

On the other side, my server is hosted at a separate location with a much faster connection. My sites don't throttle download speeds but obviously the total bandwidth available is shared between all the members who are online at any given time. I haven't had any complaints about speed since the last connection upgrade but the download speed you experience will vary by time of day and day of the week. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

07-20-10  02:29pm - 5269 days #11
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Originally Posted by messmer:



My ISP is Eastlink Cable (Nova Scotia based but expanding into other areas) and they've given me their word that they will never impose limitations. If they ever went back on their word I would truly unsubscribe from their service and feed off my extensive stash for the next ten years instead! I don't reward greed!


Easier said than done. We don't think we are addicted to porn, or to searching for and downloading new porn. But it wouldn't be easy to stop looking for new porn to add to our collections. It would be like giving up cigarettes, or giving up alcohol. I gave up smoking many times during 30+ years, before I was finally able to quit entirely.

07-20-10  03:01pm - 5269 days #12
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Easier said than done. We don't think we are addicted to porn, or to searching for and downloading new porn. But it wouldn't be easy to stop looking for new porn to add to our collections. It would be like giving up cigarettes, or giving up alcohol. I gave up smoking many times during 30+ years, before I was finally able to quit entirely.


Oh yeah, I agree 100% with that. For me, it isn't all about having the porn, but finding new stuff too. And this is with having a collection that I probably haven't watched everything even once.

07-20-10  03:10pm - 5269 days #13
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Oh yeah, I agree 100% with that. For me, it isn't all about having the porn, but finding new stuff too. And this is with having a collection that I probably haven't watched everything even once.


I am more efficient than that. I, at least, have watched a tiny part of my collection more than once. But the vast majority of my porn collection was only downloaded, and then never viewed again. So I am really a hoarder instead of a watcher. Sounds crazy, but since when does life make sense anyway?

07-20-10  03:11pm - 5269 days #14
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Easier said than done. We don't think we are addicted to porn, or to searching for and downloading new porn. But it wouldn't be easy to stop looking for new porn to add to our collections. It would be like giving up cigarettes, or giving up alcohol. I gave up smoking many times during 30+ years, before I was finally able to quit entirely.


It probably would be quite hard, especially since I use the Internet for stuff other than porn as well, but I think my proverbial (dreaded by my kin) stubbornness would somehow see me through.

There was life before the WWW and between computer games (much neglected lately) and my 2.6 TB stash of Porn I think I might be all right!

07-20-10  04:35pm - 5269 days #15
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Easier said than done. We don't think we are addicted to porn, or to searching for and downloading new porn. But it wouldn't be easy to stop looking for new porn to add to our collections. It would be like giving up cigarettes, or giving up alcohol. I gave up smoking many times during 30+ years, before I was finally able to quit entirely.


Give up porn? I only have five words for that: from my cold dead hands! (I just hope it's porn in my hands when I die and not something else...) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

07-21-10  06:41am - 5268 days #16
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It is very important to note that to utilize anything close to 10MB/sec, you will need to use download manager; the best one we've seen is IDM (Internet Download Manager), and TBP reviewers are routinely using it too. Some sites are friendly towards download managers, some sites are not, TBP routinely mentions it in their reviews.

Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


What kind of sites and what kind of material is available at those speeds?

We have received a few complaints that large movies on our site FuckingGamble are too large for download (we also have smaller versions, but people naturally want the very best quality). With 12MBit/s FullHD 1080p (1920x1080) it takes 5.4G per hour of video, and with about 100 hours of video it means about 500G to download. Over 10MB/sec channel (assuming it is 10MegaBytes/sec, not 10MegaBit/sec), 500G in the very best case will take about 14 hours, and according to our experiments, with IDM download manager it is possible to download that much as from our FuckingGamble site. On the other hand, if all you have is 10MegaBit/s, then the same download will take 111 hours, which isn't exactly an exciting wait.

Also it is important to note that at this point video technology doesn't provide much more than 12MBit/s: even if somebody starts to publish videos in true Blu-Ray quality, it will mean 15-25MBit/s, which is not that drastically larger then 12MBit/s I've mentioned above.

Based on analysis above, I would say that if it is indeed 10 MegaBytes/sec, you will be ok for a while, unless you want to get the whole VideoBox down to your hard drives. Edited on Jul 21, 2010, 06:44am

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