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| 08-02-13 04:48pm - 4159 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Is the PU Newsletter dead? I just realized that it's been a while since I received the PU Newsletter. I know that Rick said a few months back that there would be some changes. Was stopping the PU Newsletter one of those changes? I used to drop by the PU site at least once a day, to read reviews, comments, threads, whatever. When PU announced they would stop the raffle, I wrote that it probably wouldn't make much difference, because most people would still visit the site and still contribute. Well, I was wrong. In a few short months, PU has either gone to sleep, or possibly died. If TBP site is still generating adequate revenue, that's great. There's no way any of us PU members have a clue how the TBP site is doing financially. But judging from the posted activity at the PU site, it seems obvious that this site has declined. If the staff doesn't make some changes, and soon, then PU will become that ghost town that Rick joked about. That would be a shame. It used to be an interesting place to visit. | |
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| 08-02-13 04:56pm - 4159 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Have to agree with you. I figured the newsletter was one of the casualties, but the quality of reviews and comments here has also declined. Is it my imagination or is there less activity on the TBP site as well? The forum on the other hand looks about the same to me. Same people, same moans and groans. Not saying that's a bad thing either. The forum never featured in the raffle so what you see here is basically honest stuff, from people who wish to get something off their chest. Edited on Aug 02, 2013, 05:38pm | |
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| 08-02-13 05:52pm - 4159 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't know about you guys but I get far better deals than PU or TBP can offer through my email these days so I can see why a newsletter from TBP would not be any good for me. I'd also like to add that there are simply no new sites that are worth discussing except to tell people not to join them and most of the established ones are staring to look worse each week so talking about them is depressing. I've said it plenty of times before but porn is dying and no one wants to look at that. Now you guys might not think so and it that's the case then prove me wrong. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-02-13 06:27pm - 4159 days | #4 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Confirming pat's assertion, I was just browsing some of TBP's top-rated Asian sites - ActionJav.com, after getting increasingly erratic in terms of their release schedule has not posted a single vid since 7/24 with no comment as to when another update might be posted. The Black Alley, another of TBP's top 10 Asian sites, hasn't posted a single update since mid-July with no comment as to when another update might be posted. I saw the new review of ThaiChix, aka Club ThaiChix, and I had to laugh when I looked at the most recent promotion they had e-mailed me, because it confirmed everything that the review said that they're just getting the most easily-licensed years-old stuff to post as their updates. When 3 of the top sites in a particular category are all going down the drain at the same time, I think it's fair to say that the world of internet-porn is getting bleaker. OTOH, if you're into soft-core and mid-core stuff, there's a lot of new stuff being produced - the whole Met-Art network, for example. But this ain't the glory days of internet-porn, that's for dang sure! | |
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| 08-02-13 08:33pm - 4159 days | #5 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
"I've said it plenty of times before but porn is dying and no one wants to look at that. Now you guys might not think so and it that's the case then prove me wrong" Above is Pat's comment in regard to current ills besetting the market of porn ... as we view it. It is Unimaginable that I would disagree so strongly about anything Pat comments on. Above is a rare exception. The market of porn is so firmly entrenched in Americana ..I'd say its roots have grown so impervious that only the Bibical coming presents any thrests to its demise. global participation is only making it stronger. Money breeds power ...therefore money rules. I rest my case. | |
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| 08-02-13 09:41pm - 4159 days | #6 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
First thing I did when I returned was drop the newsletter. I hated almost everything about it... banner on top of every page was an eyesore, newsletter served no real purpose, and the opt-ins were underwhelming. I do realize the state of TBP/PU look kind of sad. I know dropping the raffle didn't help matters. I always feel fortunate that we're still generating lots of signups and have moderate activity still in our forum. Both sites are still very stable and the company is profitable. I'm now working weekends and 12-14 hour days. The new project is bigger than I could have ever imagined. I'm very close to disclosing details, but I want to wait until we at least have official "coming soon" pages up for the new sites. At that point, I'll have some page previews and notification options. Thanks again for the patience... and you guys will be the first to preview the new sites. I should have some mock-ups ready in 2-3 weeks.  The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 08-02-13 10:23pm - 4159 days | #7 | |
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thirstyfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 30 Registered: May 20, '13 |
Hi all, As a relative newbie: I'm impressed with the quality of PU. I've not found a more thoughtful or inciteful forum yet. I don't know how things used to be here. Maybe they've followed the overall porn curve: seems like the glory days for some web sites (based on content) was in 2004 to 2007 - and things started winding down after the bubble burst in late 2007. For porn it does seem to be a 'best of times/worst of times' dichotomy. It's never been easier to get material though I do miss those rather clandestine expeditions to that part of town to get some mags or a tape. OTOH, it seems like acquiring porn today is rather buying socks. You find the little specialty shops you used to frequent have all closed and you end up at some huge shopping mall that has 40 stores selling socks. A couple of other analogies come to mind. The cable TV syndrome. Today there are hundreds of channels to watch and most of them are junk. There was a time (back in the 80's) when cable TV had something to offer. The early days of radio: there were small amateur radio stations operated by true enthusiasts (who were not trying to commoditize the medium to death). Not any more. The big companies have taken over and it's too expensive and regulated for a little guy to get started these days. Right now I'm looking for another site to join. I've got a couple in mind but one of them is a Manwin company and the other is a rather pricey niche site. The others that looked sort of interesting, no longer do: largely based on comments and reviews from right here at PU and TBP. Pat mentions above "...there are simply no new sites that are worth discussing except to tell people not to join them and most of the established ones are starting to look worse each week so talking about them is depressing." Depressing as it that may seem, it's also very valuable info to have, Pat. For which I'm grateful. Porn happens because a large number of things amazingly fail to go wrong. | |
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| 08-03-13 01:54am - 4159 days | #8 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I for one think this undertaking is the smartest and indeed most practical since I came on board, Everything about it makes sense. | |
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| 08-03-13 05:12am - 4159 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well, nice to know something is happening.  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-03-13 06:05am - 4159 days | #10 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I'm going to have to take a contrary position to some of you on the state of PU. To paraphrase Mark Twain, rumors of Pornusers' death has been greatly exaggerated. I'll agree that things have slowed a bit, and I'll agree that the end of the raffle hurt things more than seems reasonable, but there have been an increased number of reviews over the past couple of weeks and what's even more promising is that many of those reviews are from new members. My observation is that after a significant drop in activity when the raffle was dropped there has been a return to more normal levels. What we need to do is find a way to convert those new members and long-time lurkers into regular contributors. For those of us who are regulars here, I say we stay positive and help keep the lights on while Rick and friends work hard to reinvent the site. | |
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| 08-03-13 09:54am - 4159 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Very true but it sucks to be the one who paid money for the bad site. Mind you I still do that as one of my upcoming review will show. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-03-13 10:26am - 4159 days | #12 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I can't agree more. It sounds like Pat has taken leave of his senses. Porn dying? It maybe changing and sites maybe dying, that may even include TBP/PU, but porn like sex is going to be with us as long as there are human beings. It's just natural and a way of life. Might as well say television is dying because Magnum is cancelled. Things are changing. There is too much run of the mill porn for everyone to survive and make good money. It's a shame there will be less choice, and I agree with Pat on that one. There will be far less available and far less choice, but that's market forces, and simple economics. I think Pat is right in the situation being very serious for a large number of people in porn, but that's not the same as porn dying. It's just a way of life. Great analogy from thirstyfish too. Welcome to PU. One other thing, the fallout is far greater than I thought. I have noticed things changing a LOT recently. There are now far fewer new shoots than I expected. I don't disagree with Pat all the time, I am merely not as negative as he is. Edited on Aug 03, 2013, 10:34am | |
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| 08-03-13 01:00pm - 4159 days | #13 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
For "us" I think it's safe to say that porn is in something of a doldrums phase right now. By "us" I mean those of us who have been around the porn block a few times and have collections going back years which are consuming terabytes of external drives. We've seen all the big sites and the niches we like. We want quality (HD, big pics, good navigation, etc.), we want original content, we want a steady supply of updates and we want it at a reasonable price. When we first discovered on line porn we ate it all up at first (especially before the days of PU / TBP and other on line guides), got burned sometimes but still came back for more. Now, we sort of have the attitude of "been there, done that" and the thrill of the chase has diminished accordingly. There are sites out there featuring models and content that I like but I really don't go there because the quality isn't very good or the sites are almost dead in terms of updates. I'm unlikely to dive into some new site because they don't have enough content or because I don't know what the hell it's going to be like so I wait for a review or two to come up here or somewhere else. So, in a way, I've become self limiting in terms of what I'm willing to pay money to see and I think a lot of us are that way. Also, the porn industry has matured with bigger studios pushing the smaller ones out while the gobs of free / pirated porn make it harder for everyone in the industry to make a buck. The porn industry led the tech charge for a while with online charge systems, video playback and other gizmos but no more. The low hanging technological fruit have been picked so now it's just a question of looking for new models and gimmicks (parody porn, bad 3-D, pricing schemes, etc.). Porn is still a cheap and easy business to get into but giving "us" what we want is harder to do on a budget. To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always so good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems". The early days of radio had lots of variety and participants but it was pretty much of a local ilk and wasn't on for much of the day. The early days of cable were cool because they had pro wrestling, some sports and a lot of movies; stuff that today is pretty ho-hum. Porn is still getting cranked out, every year more gets produced than the year before and even more sites come out. Most of it is vanilla to "us" because vanilla is what most everyone else wants (or what the producers think everyone wants). "Us" have essentially graduated from the McDonald's of porn to the world of fine dining where the offerings are fewer. In this sense, the "us" of PU have created a trap of our own making while the porn industry as a whole isn't really offering us anything new and great to reach out and grab onto. So, I say that porn is not dead and never will be so long as human beings have a sex drive. The industry as a whole has plateaued but will probably take off again as newer and better technology (3-D, holographics, etc.) comes along at reasonable price points. | |
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| 08-03-13 04:46pm - 4158 days | #14 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Regarding the newsletter ... I always wondered why we needed one. The PU site and/or the TBP site were already places where "news" was being posted. I kept quiet, but I thought it was a pretty stupid idea. It seemed as though it might have been one of those committee decisions resulting in the execution of a bad idea for the sake of keeping the interpersonal relationships of the committee members from getting into trouble. That's just a guess, of course, but I've seen these kinds of things before. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 08-03-13 05:38pm - 4158 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I am rather negative but that is less by choice than by the overall picture that I currently see of the porn industry. I don't know how many sites or studios you keep track off but I track plenty of them and most are in trouble. Worst is that the ones that aren't in trouble are usually dead. That's why I say that porn is dying. Not dead nor will it ever really be dead. After all there is porn on the net that was made 40 years ago and I'm sure that 40 years from now there will be porn that was made today. That doesn't mean that the sites or studios that made those movies will still be around nor will anyone remember who made the movie. You even notice that the fallout is greater than you thought but imagine just how bad it's going to get because it's still falling. Try to Google anything related to porn and tell me if any of the first couple pages of hits aren't for tube sites. How can any studio compete when the major search engines return mostly free porn sites. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-03-13 05:51pm - 4158 days | #16 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
They can compete when there are fewer of them churning out very cheap run of the mill stuff, and so can a minority producing slightly different or high quality stuff. People will still pay for porn and are doing so. Rick just said they are generating sign ups and are still profitable. There are still new clips being produced, just fewer than before. It may not be something we like but it's reality and market forces at work. | |
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| 08-04-13 08:52am - 4158 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I agree that less competition means that the remaining sites get a bigger part of the pie but the problem isn't that there is less competition but that there is simply not enough people paying to eat that pie. Of course there are still some that do. We are proof of that but the number keeps getting smaller while the total number of people looking at porn keeps getting bigger. At some point the people like us who pay for porn won't want to pay for the kind of porn that's being made because it's crap. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-04-13 10:39am - 4158 days | #18 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
You're talking pornageddon, and it's just a matter of opinion, but I don't see it coming to that. There are too many people still paying for it. Time will tell. I do think there will be a lot more going to the wall before it bottoms out, so to speak. | |
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| 08-04-13 09:39pm - 4157 days | #19 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
I talk to people all the time and it's nearly the same answer everytime... people pay for porn? Porn has basically gone napster, except people aren't stealing this time! Post-napster, it soon became an iTunes world. You could still get free music but it wasn't as convenient anymore. To the surprise of most, consumers didn't mind paying a buck a song for the convenience of downloading only the songs they wished to purchase (and as a bonus cuz it was the right thing to do). The main point though was iTunes made it SIMPLE. Few bucks a week wasn't much to swallow for consumers, and the music industry lived on. This, to me, is the fundamental problem with porn today... it's simple enough to get free porn, and there's no real service guiding users from the world of free poor quality previews to a world of original 1080p quality downloads. The industry has done such a poor job making that sale. The solution is exactly what I've been working nights and weekends producing. Yes, we're absolutely getting into the free porn business. We need those eyeballs. If I'm right, far more users are willing to pay for porn with the right direction. I can't wait to get 1st crack at it... Sorry to tease you, and actually I believe the teasing has just begun. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 08-04-13 09:52pm - 4157 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I sometimes think you really haven't been a true porn consumer until you've realized you just spent your money on some bad porn.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-04-13 10:29pm - 4157 days | #21 | |||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Define "dying" because I'm not seeing it. The porn industry is really going through the changes that pretty much every industry goes through with the inevitable march of time. And no offense, but I think you might be suffering from some rose-colored longing for the past as Wittyguy was implying. Everything seems to have its past defenders: car "lovers" who can't help but fawn over cars from 50+ years ago because everything since then is "the same" and lacks passion. Yeah, but most cars from that long ago ran on leaded fuel, were sold without seatbelts (because that would imply the cars were unsafe!), and suffered from reliability issues that today would be recall-worthy. But fuck it, they were better! Music fans of any genre are even worse--and I should know, I am one--we reach a certain age, cross our arms, and declare that "You stupid kids are spoiled today, you don't buy albums anymore, just download the latest single for your iWhatever. Thanks to you little shits the industry is dead and all the good artists go unheard. Fuck you, the music was all sooo much better in ____. 
Exactly. The world simply isn't moving in this direction. It's inevitably, if slowly, liberalizing more every day. And despite the leaders of even modern, largely free countries like the UK suggesting boneheadedly ineffective measures to restrict "poisonous websites" from our precious children, people generally do not want any of it. The more vocal prudes among us may talk the talk but behind closed doors they fire up the computer instead of walking the walk. Yes, lots of anti-porn egotists have made a cool buck off their authoritarian take on morality in recent years but how much money has been made in porn and other such "vices" in that same time? Even Prohibition seemed like a good enough idea that a bunch of humorless teetotalers were able to convince the US congress (many of who were probably drunk) to amend the constitution to remind the rest of just how wrong we apparently all were. Seemed to work out great. 
The fans may remember them; I'm sure it will make for some entertaining/horrifying/creepy tales to tell the grand kids. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |||
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| 08-05-13 08:11am - 4157 days | #22 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
This sounds interesting. I've never been a fan of free porn because I never trusted the tube sites and I preferred to pay so I could expect better quality and help keep the site alive. But if TBP is getting into the business that could be a game changer. | |
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| 08-05-13 02:17pm - 4157 days | #23 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I agree as well, but as I have made no secret in saying the timing was not what I call well played. I know I know I sound like and ass. But honestly we are customers and you gotta hold on to your customers. Hey I like the place so not leaving took a month to breath and came back ( and kinda knew nothing would have changed )and same ole same ole. I seem to be the one in this group with a rough edge to him I know. But I only speak the truth I feel. Been around businesses allot in my life so is hard to sit and shut up LOL BUT...............  OK I'm gonna climb back in the hole   and keep quiet if TBP/PU wanted my two cents they would have asked  . Since 2007 | |
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| 08-05-13 06:03pm - 4156 days | #24 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
^ fair enough  The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 08-06-13 08:24am - 4156 days | #25 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
4 Tube - free porn - produced by porn companies - but it's snippets which is not the way I want to watch my porn. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 08-06-13 08:51am - 4156 days | #26 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Free is good, not saying this would ever occur here but there is a ton of spyware, scripts and malware on many free sites. I only say this because a hint Free sites may get others looking around I would say beware some sites are very bad for your PC. If PU made a reliable free site might be interesting. But they have been around for awhile isn't that reinvesting the wheel? But in all fairness I do not know the details and only can compare my notes to what other free sites do. If there is a way to do something unique kudos for that. I am not into free sites much. The content why porn, is often not good quality is as JB said its snippets Since 2007 | |
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| 08-06-13 08:58am - 4156 days | #27 | |
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thirstyfish (0)
Active User Posts: 30 Registered: May 20, '13 |
Free and Safe might be good in that could be a nice preview mechanism and it would attract new users because many casual users have been trained by the tube sites to expect free porn. Porn happens because a large number of things amazingly fail to go wrong. | |
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