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| 11-09-13 04:31pm - 4061 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:33pm | |
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| 11-09-13 05:20pm - 4061 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Not really surprising given the increase in traffic, and governments will be happy for ISP's to discriminate against websites who have porn, politically incorrect, politically critical, or whistle blowing material. What surprises me is they have been unable to discriminate until now. It's one more inevitable step towards control of the internet. | |
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| 11-09-13 05:57pm - 4061 days | #3 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
An extraordinary story! Especially that it could be synopsized in Witty's own words. That meaning the superfluously of News media is dumped and interpreted in a much better dialogue that we can appreciate. We don't see much or enough anymore, consequently missing out on witty guy's profound talent and consummate skill of intensifying the interest and adding spark to whatever flows from his remarkable mind .....always a gift to those of us who are privileged to read his offering. | |
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| 11-09-13 06:15pm - 4061 days | #4 | |
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Carter (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 68 Registered: Oct 23, '13 Location: Canada |
That's horrible. Any way to squeeze that last little drop. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/ | |
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| 11-10-13 01:21am - 4060 days | #5 | |
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MrLewdy (0)
Disabled User Posts: 32 Registered: Mar 15, '13 |
Soooo true! I go on free porn tube sites every now and then but most of the content I download is legit (especially videos). I pay my trials and monthly memberships just like my internet service and my bills. But now they want to make us pay some extra fees here and there for using bandwidth? What is this sht?  | |
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| 11-10-13 06:35am - 4060 days | #6 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I'm not sure if the changes would apply to just porn access but to any website that might provide another buck or that a company wants to restrict. But paying for bandwidth is nothing new - Cox cable does it as well as other companies. I always subscribe to the axiom - "follow the money" because when a company that can squeeze, will squeeze. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 11-12-13 12:40pm - 4058 days | #7 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:34pm | |
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| 11-12-13 12:57pm - 4058 days | #8 | |
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Carter (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 68 Registered: Oct 23, '13 Location: Canada |
Even more dangerous than controlling access to information for monetary gain is controlling access to information in order to control the masses. I could see it going this way eventually... Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/ | |
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| 11-12-13 03:12pm - 4058 days | #9 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ Point well taken!! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 11-12-13 04:41pm - 4058 days | #10 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
You don't need the internet to control the masses. It's been done for thousands of years. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 11-12-13 05:10pm - 4058 days | #11 | |
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Carter (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 68 Registered: Oct 23, '13 Location: Canada |
Good point. It has indeed. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/ | |
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| 11-12-13 06:58pm - 4058 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Go ... go with it this last time, witty! Nothing would please Those who're still around nor spike adrenalin in our newcomers more than to see and once again be a part of this great, purely unique, unprecedented and unexcelled annual event. It couldn't resurface at a better time. the perfect vintage to compliment closing taps on this great site. And the accumulation and new material piled up out there since your last award is again simply salivating for you to put this masterpiece together. A barn-burner, that only you're capable of masterminding, is just what's needed to rekindle interest and to ride PU out in a whirlwind of glory. I'm here to say I cannot be more serious about my pledge to bite the bullet, joining my friends in being privileged having been included in the award.. I suspect my good friend messmer will now go-with-the-flow, as long as you keep your blows above the belt. So, big guy, I urge you to get crackin' on those keys and give us something to stir up some welcome and needed excitement a'round here.  Edited on Jan 22, 2014, 08:28pm | |
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| 11-12-13 09:26pm - 4057 days | #13 | |
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Carter (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 68 Registered: Oct 23, '13 Location: Canada |
Graymane's post has both confused and enthralled me. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/ | |
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| 11-12-13 09:28pm - 4057 days | #14 | |
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Thedebilman666 (0)
Suspended  Posts: 144 Registered: Dec 08, '10 Location: NYC |
Get used to it. 6 pack bitches, deal with it | |
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| 11-13-13 02:29am - 4057 days | #15 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I gather your reply calls for a thanks, Mr. Carter. If any of the stuff that I pour into polls, reviews and this forum on a regular basis makes complete sense to anybody, then I'd have to say he should be a tad worried. I think I've confessed to our Fork-wielding-horned #666 in another post that rolling over the 80 year mark, subsequently living with abundant wear-an-tear and eroding health issues, has among other things took a toll on my ability to even form a simple declarative sentence anymore. If my style of writing both confuse yet intrigues you at all, then I would appeal to you to go back into the archives and follow my entries up until the present, based on a respectable number of others' comments like yourself, I then can honestly promise you you'll come away thereafter able to better understand, and I'd further venture also widely amused and surprisingly entertained. Please note, these are not my written views but I'm proud to say are from a scattered number from the usual intellectual breather who abide here at PU.  | |
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| 11-13-13 04:53am - 4057 days | #16 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
 Which is why we love you Graymane. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 11-13-13 10:40am - 4057 days | #17 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
errr ... rumors of our death are somewhat premature. Seriously, you talk like PU is dying and that's simply not a fair or accurate take on what's going on. If you feel it is then I fear you've misunderstood the situation. It is true, the PornUsers domain will not be seeing any new improvements but PU the concept is growing and expanding to something much vaster than what we've had to date.* But even given that, the PornUsers site is not going anywhere for a good while to come. * And before someone asks, no, I don't have any more news on the new stuff. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 11-13-13 05:17pm - 4057 days | #18 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
My apologies, chief. It certainly wasn't my intention to phase my message in any way that would cast aspersions on something I care so much for; as well as demonstrating from day one my pride in being associated with Porn users. I simply followed the forecast I obviously misconstrued from fellow members ...... admittedly advanced in poor context, to which I now deeply regret and apologize for having initiated.  Edited on Jan 22, 2014, 09:10pm | |
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| 11-13-13 06:20pm - 4057 days | #19 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Awwww .....you're a sweetheart, 'ol buddie! If I knew your address, I'd send you a deluxe bouquet of imported supersoft, deep-tunnel-budded blazing red "Brazilian snappers". You'll lov'em, JB ....... the flower blossoms are touch-sensitive, with a defense mechanism that clasps, tightly wraps around and vibrates to any long-round object that ventures within its soft-spored inter-tunneled lining. They aren't cheap .....but for you, Jberry, money is no object.  | |
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| 11-13-13 09:51pm - 4056 days | #20 | |
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biker (0)
Active User Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
Ah yes, Brazilian Snappers. A tear forms in my eye when I think of their delicate petals and the fragrance that fills the room like warm Spring day. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 11-14-13 04:03pm - 4056 days | #21 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
But of course! Nothing more American than to have the consumer-denizen perform his or her patriotic duty by opening their wallets and then bending over and taking it up the ass--because if we don't then freedom dies. Regardless of our government leaders' deepest wishes to treat us as nothing more than a group of helpless five year-olds I think their priority is to protect "free enterprise" (i.e., give us more money!) than it is to hunt down and lock up the Max Hardcores of the world. The current Supreme Court is slightly socially liberal but very business friendly--how else can you explain the Citizens United decision?--which ultimately goes back to Justice Powell and his far-right memo to get corporations more involved in legislation and politics. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 14, 2013, 04:07pm | ||
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| 11-14-13 04:06pm - 4056 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Please do! We could always use some more humor around here.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 01-14-14 12:01pm - 3995 days | #23 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:34pm | |
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| 01-14-14 12:42pm - 3995 days | #24 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
We had a similar topic not to long ago, where I hate to be the I told you so guy LOL. But once we start taking away rights whether you agree personally with those rights or not. But once you allow it, other rights will follow. I am not going to rehash the topic, but lets just use the word ban, and Constitution. Once you get on the band wagon to allow the government to edit your rights it will not be long until what we have here getting into our bedrooms. We as citizens of any country need to not ever allow our governments to remove rights. If we continue to allow any rights removed then we deserve whats left. I see a day when Porn will outlawed and ISP fined for allowing it if we do not say no to allowing the governments to strip our rights, EVEN if you do not agree with the right allowing it sets precedence to go hog wild. Our freedom of speech could be next possibly and my post would be banned LOLOL. Since 2007 | |
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| 01-17-14 02:37pm - 3992 days | #25 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
We had a Prime Minister in Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau) some time ago who stated quite firmly: "The State has no business in the bedrooms of a nation!" No one, since then, has tried (at least overtly) to contradict him. Sure hope it stays this way. And it's good to see you again! | |
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| 01-18-14 06:46am - 3991 days | #26 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Life was so easy back in 1979. You could own a gun and people didn't freak out, you could by a playboy and it was fun not dirty. You could go to bars to hang out with friends and not be considered a drunk. You could rob a liquor store and keep the money, lol ok not the last one seeing who is paying attention. Some good stuff has occured but seems we are making problems where there are none. Guns, booze and porn have been around hundreds of years together living fine. Then everyone wants to regulate and criminalize what good people do. And not stop the bad people. The people whom deal in human trafficking,sell and use drugs and run illegal arms, all occur with little sins of ending. And laws never stop the bad guys. Kinda like in South Cal, the who condom thing, whose business is it ? Its not the governments right to pry into my life. PS I brought the booze thing as they are now considering changing regulations on alcohol consumption, and also how you protest against law makers is in the lawmaker hands as we speak. As I have said you regulate one Right, and you open the flood gates. I do doubt porn will be open as it is. just too much going on to leave it out of the playing field, Since 2007 | |
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| 01-18-14 11:05am - 3991 days | #27 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I think one of the big reasons why Government tends to intervene more than in previous decades is because our society has turned angry, confrontational, lawless (look at all the cases of road rage, mass shootings, bullying (cyber- and otherwise). The reason? Who knows? Some blame the Internet and applications (phones etc.) that allow you to be your nasty self anonymously and the fact that you are no longer interacting with your fellow man in person. Is it any wonder (to touch upon one of your favorite subjects) that in the light of all those senseless mass killings in movie theaters, schools etc., governments are tempted to impose stricter controls? And, of course, Governments being governments they do tend to get carried away with their righteous causes. Good thing we get to vote every 4 (in your case), 5 years. | |
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| 01-18-14 07:06pm - 3991 days | #28 | |
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Reveen (0)
Active User Posts: 96 Registered: Apr 06, '09 |
It's disappointing but shouldn't be seen as a surprise really. The american justice system is in thrall to the major corporations there. The corporations can afford the best and biggest law firms and the judges themselves almost always seem to side with the corporation over the individual or the public good unless you are extremely lucky in finding an independent minded judge. Ever since the courts decided that corporations could be regarded as persons under the law their power has grown and grown. Their ability to lobby and shovel money to politicians and political parties cannot be curtailed and thus they have effective control over politics and justice, over the legislators and over those who interpret legislation and how it is applied to the law. How are private citizens meant to battle against this concentration of power? It makes a mockery of what America is meant to stand for. It's not just America where this happens of course but because America is the biggest economy on the planet, what happens there affects everybody. Americans are going to have to realize that the real enemy isn't Iran or North Korea or some other nebulous outside threat, the real enemies are the political class, the justice system and most of all corporate interests. | |
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| 01-19-14 08:15am - 3990 days | #29 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yea, I agree, people are angry, rude and often just don't give a shit about their fellow man/woman. Very hard at times to grow up in a polite country where we respected our elders, and held doors open and said please and thank you. Thats why I like my adult material especially the intimate stuff and stripping why rare, gives a soft sexy look that is slowly being taken over by POV shots of labias for 20 minutes no face not body just pussy play . Oh well guess I have said enough on this. Since 2007 | |
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| 01-19-14 10:32am - 3990 days | #30 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Can't argue with that statement, CT! | |
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| 01-21-14 03:21pm - 3988 days | #31 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
The overturning of Net Neutrality in the US is likely to be a bad development for online porn. It is also such a complex issue, that it is difficult to predict any of it's effects with certainty. It seems to me that it's effects can be grouped into two main categories: effects on free speech and effects on business models. First, the effect on free speech. American porn online has been able to thrive online because of the protection afforded by the First Amendment. That is a weaker protection than most think though. We almost lost it all in 2012, and would have if Romney were elected. Remember the 2012 Republican Party Platform? It stated that "current laws on all forms of pornography and obscenity need to be vigorously enforced." They would have made examples by prosecuting some big providers, most of the rest would have taken the hint and closed shop or left the US, then prosecuted whoever was left. Now, with the loss of Net Neutrality, there are many ways to make an end run around the First Amendment. Now that the ISP's are legally recognized as having their own "First Amendment" rights as editors of the internet, they can block whatever they want. It seems ridiculous that they could be considered editors - just as ridiculous as giving a paper company editorial discretion over Hustler Magazine - but that was the outcome of the case. They may not choose to use this power right away, they may eventually use it to get more people in from of the TV paying $10 an hour for their heavily edited softcore video on demand. Equally important, they may no longer be able to justify continuing to provide online porn under the Net Neutrality principle. They are now open to civil lawsuits from social conservatives, feminists against porn, and the religious right just for providing content that may be objectionable to some. How much would the ISP's put up to defend online porn, when they would rather having you watch their video on demand anyway? Second, there is the effect on the business models of various porn sites. What these business models all have in common is that they benefit from cheap bandwidth. I'll go through the different types of business model, and consider the effect on each one below. 1. Tube sites. Abundant, cheap bandwidth is the lifeblood of tube sites. Their business model is like this. They put up tons of free videos, many averaging 100 Mb, and try to get as much traffic as possible. They make all of their revenue off of ad's mostly for adult dating sites, cam sites, and adult toy sites. Even if they only get one click per 1,000 views, they still make money because bandwidth is cheap. So what will happen when bandwidth becomes artificially scarce and expensive? This is the easiest outcome of losing Net Neutrality to predict - the era of tube sites will be over. So maybe paysites should celebrate? Not so fast, we'll get to that eventually. 2. Free file hosting sites. These are the sites, like Kim Dotcom's Megaupload.com, that provide the bandwidth and hosting for pirate forums. Likes tubes, their business models will be totally shot when the cost of bandwidth goes up, and they will disappear too. 3. BitTorrent. While Verizon states that they do not intend to block any legal content, you can rest assured that they will be going after BitTorrent soon. During Verizon vs FCC, their lawyers mentioned BitTorrent specifically as the type of illegal traffic that they would like to block. 4. Paysites. Every single paysite will initially suffer without Net Neutrality. What the impact will ultimately be on specific types of paysites is extremely hard to predict. Maybe the large networks will fare best, and just pare down their offerings a bit to trim their costs. On the other hand, maybe some of the largest network owners will decide to get out at the top, and just close up shop. You know those old, small sites that haven't updated since the dial-up days? Maybe they will be the first to go when they see the higher bill. Then again, those old sites were built in days when bandwidth was scarce, and they get very little traffic as it is now, so maybe they are adapted for tougher times more than the big bandwidth hogs? Maybe paysites will see some benefit from the tube sites going away, but I think people will take up to a year to change their habits, and the big bills will start coming right away. Whichever sites remain at the end, I think we will see a shake up of the industry, and many site closings. 5. Brick and mortar porn shops. These guys are the only ones that I know besides the ISP's that are gleeful about the loss of Net Neutrality. It's money in the bank for them when online porn takes a hit. So these are all hypothetical scenarios, and hopefully it is not as bad as I have envisioned here. In reality, the ISP's won't be making any changes right away. With Net Neutrality hitting the front page of the Wall Street Journal and other major news outlets, hopefully the public debate will start to pick up the way it did for PIPA and SOPA. I know that I personally could never see myself voting for a candidate that opposes Net Neutrality, and I think many people feel the same way, so I hope this becomes an issue of debate in the next round of elections. Finally, the last shred of hope is that Comcast is bound by the ruling of a previous case in court to respect the Net Neutrality principle up through 2017. I hope this sparked some outrage. The impact of losing Net Neutrality is actually damaging far beyond the world of porn, but this is all I have time to discuss for now. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Jan 21, 2014, 03:25pm | |
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| 01-21-14 03:59pm - 3988 days | #32 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
As you say it is a complex issue. The Internet is world wide phenomenon & each country can only impose laws in & on its own jurisdiction. Whilst it may impact what their compatriots can produce or perhaps even legally view or download, it cannot & never should have a direct global impact unless there is international democratic agreement. That is never likely to happen.  It is easy to lose sight of that. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-21-14 04:43pm - 3988 days | #33 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
You are right, it won't have a direct international impact. I trust very few statistics that I see online regarding porn consumption, but there seems to be a consensus that the US is the world's largest consumer of online porn. I hope that if it gets really bad in the US, sites can move overseas and survive. At the same time, those with razor thin margins may be faced with some tough choices if or when their largest geographic market - the US - disappears. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 01-22-14 06:47pm - 3987 days | #34 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Then again, I what I presented was a worst-case scenario, so maybe it won't be that bad. What's a best-case scenario? Maybe the tube sites will go, but the best paysites will remain? Regardless of what happens, there is a lot of uncertainty, and I am curious to hear what everyone thinks. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 01-22-14 07:45pm - 3987 days | #35 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 02-23-14 03:15pm - 3955 days | #36 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 02-24-14 10:29am - 3954 days | #37 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
It is interesting to note that cell phone companies operate a little differently - more like Europe, whereas the cell phone company leases space on other companies towers to provide service. Cell towers are infrastructure just like cable lines are. Wonder why they treat it that way? Oh, crap I forgot to follow the money. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 02-25-14 04:26pm - 3953 days | #38 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
No surprise there, though a lot of customers won't notice it, and even if they do won't think much of it--the whole reason it's "only" a $2 increase. AT&T raised their Internet-only service prices $2 last year...though I could have avoided that particular increase if I got their bundled service plan--landline, TV, & Internet--which is considerably more per month, especially when I only want and use Internet. In other words, "Fuck you, pay me."  Hell, if you're one of AT&T's wireless customers last year they subtlety raised bills by about $0.61 last year, "Because they can." It generated an estimated $500-600 million in revenue--great money if you just pull the justification for the increase out of your ass. I understand rates eventually need to go up, but arbitrary fuck-you-pay-me increases, with no discernible technological or service benefit is what pisses customers off. I refuse the 3-in-1 packages of TV-Internet-landline because I have no use for them, and get fucked out of higher Internet speeds because I don't want to pay for the non-web stuff. I watch TV online and already pay for a cell phone (a totally different company from my ISP, because I like to share the wealth  ), and am not home enough, or at least during the hours I might find a landline practical. These greed-powered corporate assholes continue to dig their own shallow technological graves and want us to more than pay for the cost of filling in the holes. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-02-14 12:14pm - 3734 days | #39 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 10-03-14 05:00am - 3733 days | #40 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
It's pretty simple, I think; if the FCC doesn't pull their finger out and reclassify the internet as a common carrier, then Verizon TWC and Comcast will eventually succeed in eliminating net neutrality. This will turn the internet into a glorified cable service. In America. Currently, America is undoubtedly the hub of the internet. If net neutrality crumbles there, the internet will still be 'free' everywhere else, and we'll just see a migration of focus, probably to the EU (which already boasts faster average speeds and superior infrastructure anyway). Additionally, the multilayered regulatory environment of the EU makes it exceptionally harder for plutocrats to hijack. | |
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| 10-03-14 01:05pm - 3733 days | #41 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Its why I always say and many do not agree with me. Going after things like the 2nd Amendment, harms the first amendment and why people do not get this is beyond me. You start fucking with ones Constitutional rights and soon they will fuck with every right you have. Porn is a form of freedom of speech and is why its legal to fuck and get paid, but not be a hooker. Its considered and expression. Dont like guns in American, to fucking bad, because they take that right away all the rest are up for grabs. I never say people have to agree with me, but common sense tells any reasonable person if there is a nice crisp clean working Constitution and you start saying its flawed lets fuck with it, then it all could become flawed and they will fuck with it all. Want to help keep your rights, Liberal or not tell your law makers to stop fucking with your constitutional rights. You are not going to stop violence from taking away guns any more then people wont jerk off if they take away porn. People will still die and people will still think your going to hell for wanking. We need to stop allowing political goals to get in the way of our beloved rights. Its what makes us free, without them, we are not free. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-03-14 04:26pm - 3733 days | #42 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
yowsa! I don't think it's the liberals that are fucking with the Constitution - I think it's the right side of the isle (though everyone in Congress is getting paid by the very people we're discussing.) PAC's & Lobbyists are the ones that run the country and they are the ones ready to strip our constitutional 'for the people' away so that they can make... $. It's not about our rights it's about $$. If the Constitution gets in the way of their ability to makes us into 21st Century serfs, .... If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-07-14 03:20am - 3729 days | #43 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
Well I'm not American, but I must disagree, Cybertoad. The American Constitution is a landmark document in the history of democracy and political rights, but it's not inviolable. After all, they are called 'amendments' - 'changes' of which many have been applied, and will continue to get applied. There is a rigorously controlled system to amend the constitution, and that is how all the amendments got there in the first place. For instance, the 13th amendment was added to the constitution to abolish slavery, after the civil war. The most recent amendment was added in 1992. 10 amemndments were added in the last 100 years, of which one was responsible for prohibition (and was later repealed). My point is that in the American system of government, the constitution isn't a holy document of unbreakable commandments. It is normal and acceptable for amendments to get added and repealed, and sensible systems govern that process. More to the point, repealing or elaborating upon the second amendment wouldn't threaten the first amendment any more than any of the other many changes to the constitution did. They are entirely separate amendments about unrelated topics. Finally, it's my understanding that the mainstream anti-gun position in the US is not actually focussed on repealing the second amendment so much as enforcing it (specifically, the part about only have the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated militia). | |
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| 10-07-14 09:10am - 3729 days | #44 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
AWpress I am sorry you are not from this great nation. Places like England and Canada are military states compared to the freedoms here. If you are not raised free AWpress then you can only read and never know what that it feels like. I have met with people who move here at first they are stand offish until they realize you matter here, your votes, your ideas, your freedoms. I was at a hearing with a man from Russia, you want to know how valuable our 1st and 2nds are listen to these people. One commenting from another country is like me trying to say I know what its like to deliver a baby.  America is the only country where you are free and have freedoms like we do. You took what it means to be and American and put into a couple globs and statistics that fit your ideals. That is not the whole picture as you miss why the Constitution was written and I invite you to read the federalist papers and see exactly why these Amendment were written your response clearly shows your knowledge on this was not included your statements. In any event can't really debate this with you for two reasons. 1. this is not the place. 2.You are not a free man in this United States and only then can one look at the Constitution as a way of life not just some paper you erase and edit at will. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-07-14 09:14am - 3729 days | #45 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
To bring this back on topic: Due to recent laws such as condoms and where one can shoot porn. It appears the laws are in a limbo area and really could tilt either way. One aspect that is always puzzling. A hooker cant charge for sex. A porn star can get paid not only for sex, but can sell the video and post it all over the net. There has been talk of legalizing prostitution and regulate it like they may end up doing with Marijuana. I think things are changing in the sex industry for good or bad it is changing. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-14 10:09am - 3728 days | #46 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
I'd love to visit USA in person to experience these freedoms, but I'm a little intimidated by the closed borders, invasive TSA, and the fact that it has the world's second highest incarceration rate (ahead of Russia, China, Iran, all of the Middle East, and all of Africa! My home country isn't even in the top 100). But you're right, this isn't the place. I'd like to reply on-topic, but in both my home country and the country I'm living in right now, prostitution is legalised and regulated. So again, I'm unable to relate due to not being a free American. | |
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| 10-08-14 02:29pm - 3728 days | #47 | |
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biker (0)
Active User Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
[Quote from Cybertoad] A hooker cant charge for sex. A porn star can get paid not only for sex, but can sell the video and post it all over the net. I have always wonders about that myself. Selling sex on the street is illegal, but selling sex to make a video is just fine.  Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 11-13-14 11:33am - 3692 days | #48 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:35pm | |
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| 11-14-14 02:30am - 3691 days | #49 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
I'm more optimistic for the fate of American internet users. Europe has already been leading the way for years with respect to legislating net neutrality, and the notion of the internet as a utility (or even a basic civil right, like education and free speech, in some places). Plus Obama recently spoke in favour of net neutrality, which whilst not at all binding, sets the tone of the conversation within the US considerably. Based on that, I think the FCC is going to come around to presidential and global consensus, regardless of industry pressure. Even if it doesn't, it's not all bad news; if the FCC defies public will, presidential opinion, and global trends to protect Comcast and Verizon, the corruption will be evident, and the outrage widespread. Most likely a move like that would instigate or fuel calls for change. | |
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| 11-14-14 06:07am - 3691 days | #50 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ Lets hope so AW - but personally I think the American public are generally a bunch of sheep... lots of BAAAAA but no action. Case in point - only 35% of registered voters turned out for the mid-term elections here. A disheartening state of affairs. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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