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| 11-02-09 05:09pm - 5528 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Your Future Without Privacy While on my PU hiatus, I've come across some articles and conjured up some ideas that I thought beared a thoroughly long and boring post here. Namely, the idea that regardless of our preferences and any number of laws that might get passed that within a generation the concept of "personal privacy" will be radically smaller in comparison to how we think about it today. The underlying theme for all of this is that technology is growing so fast and so large in scope that anything that's digitized can and will be subject to being found. London, England leads the world in its use of public security cameras operated by police. There are thousands of them currently in use. It recently has come out that the police were monitoring one family because the local school district wasn't sure if they were truthful about their home address and, thus, if their kid should be enrolled in the local school. Turns out that over 200 government agencies and entities can request that the police follow people without notifying the subject for almost any reason. What makes the public cameras so helpful is facial recognition software which is still in its infancy. However, the technology already exists where using a G3 or G4 network and GPS I could hold up, for example, an I-Phone's camera lens and display in real time a picture of street. Using "an app", in turn I could get real time feedback that shows me what reviews the restaurant I'm displaying has received, advertisements for the store on my display and information about who lives above the store fronts if I want it. Soon, the technology will exist that will allow me to turn on my phone and photo recognition software will tell me the names of the the people walking by me. In turn, they may be programmed through my app to give me their digital business card and other information. What drives these "apps" is better technology. It's time consuming, expensive and the results aren't always the best when doing facial recognition today. That will change and it will become faster, better and cheaper. The same will be true for data mining. Currently, digging through a Googe search and long and painful. As time goes by, you will be tightly hone in on a specific person or subject without getting three million results. Data mining really becomes the key to all of this for one simple reason: "cloud computing". Cloud computing is where we're all headed. For example, if use Google Docs, your documents are not stored your own hard drive (though they can be). They're digitally compressed and stored in the digital cloud of servers and hosts. And then because of liability concerns over lost content, Google backs up that data on some other server, which backs up that data somewhere else, etc., etc. Soon you have a situation that whatever gets put into the cloud will remain in the cloud or leaves a "residue" for decades afterwards. As data mining gets better and better, it becomes easier and cheaper to track down these fragments and assemble them into meaningful facts and fictions about individual people. [As an aside, you might be curious to know that if the government conducts a search of your email that your ISP / Email provider is not required to let you know if your email was subject to a search warrant. By unleashing your message into the cloud you can be deemed to have placed your email into the care of a third party custodian and the government may only have to notify the custodian of the records, not the creator of the message, about a search. If you store stuff on Google docs, assume the same. I can't even imagine what could happen when your 17the level of backup docs stored on some server in Russia that Google doesn't even know about might interest the state police there. In other words, if you store your porn collection or sensitive information in the "cloud" at this point in time, you're an idiot.] Finally, we end up with the demise of the newspaper. Soon most of our media will be delivered on line. In an effort to stay relevant and generate revenue, papers or their sucessors will try to find and publish everything local since the national news is already territorialized. From who got traffic tickets, who got divorced, who helped out at the local nonprofit fundraiser, to who signed a petition to recall the bozo mayor; all will appear online. As everyone and every organization gets more digitized more information will get generated in an attempt to provide more content in an effort to create a successful business model. Businesses and search services will be created just to provide deep data mining on people, places and things because there will be so much digital noise to sift through. The result is that just about anything good or bad you have done that ends up in the digital world will stay there and be searchable. Got arrested for theft at age 19 but never convicted? At age 50 your prospective employer will know that. Went down and protested the opening a garbage inceration plant? Anyone who shot digital video of it with your face on it will expose your part to the world. Got a divorce and your ex said some untrue and nasty things about you in some court papers? One click of a button will reveal that info to a potential girlfriend doing a background check on you. Don't forget that your medical records are currently being digitized. Don't be shocked if some hacker contacts you and asks for $10,000 to not reveal your sexually transmitted disease or psychiatric history to everyone you know. Redundant backups of data just create more portals for the unsavory criminals to potentially access and steal all this information. The end result is a world where once you leave the confines of your home or do anything digitally then you've left a foot print behind that can be analyzed and probably tracked back to you at some point and at some level. It will be a different world when people can track just about everything ever done by you if they wanted too. Like the movie "The Invention of Lying", the world will be different but everyone will be in the same boat except for those leading a Taliban level of existence. On one level I can see that it would be refreshing and would force people to be more accepting of each others sins and shortcomings. On the other hand, to a person living in 2009, it scares the crap out of me. Big Brother from 1986 is coming, he's just going to be a few decades late. Edited on Nov 02, 2009, 05:14pm | |
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| 11-02-09 05:57pm - 5528 days | #2 | |
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BabyGetReal (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Jul 26, '09 Location: Western Massachusetts USA |
Very interesting, Wittyguy. Thanks for informing us so lucidly and for scaring the s**t out of us. Better to look and plan ahead, tho. Well, you and I can be happy that we won't be around for a great deal more of this. By the way, I don't for a moment believe that Taliban men don't have secrets (pornography, sex slaves, prostitutes, and as we know, much worse). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they are, as a group, more hypocritical than the rest of us. I once ran across a statement that orthodox Jews in Tel-Aviv are major clients of prostitutes. Not to generalize about all ultra-religious people, of course, just that they are human too. | |
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| 11-02-09 06:09pm - 5528 days | #3 | |
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picdude (0)
Active User Posts: 107 Registered: Dec 26, '08 Location: Italy |
Scares the crap out of me too. Good post. The thing that bugs me is people who say "What should you worry about if you've done nothing wrong (illegal)" and think you should support all this. As you've mentioned information is in the majority of cases misused. Too often legislation is brought in to stop a loophole or to combat a new threat, yet the new powers are far too often misused for menial things that the powers were not introduced for. Also privacy, why is it important if you have nothing to hide? Well whats so wrong about law abiding citizens hiding things? I may not want my parents to see I have brought lube and condoms, It's perfectly legal but I feel it should be private. I may want to dabble in bisexuality and not want everyone to know, people may discriminate against me, what about If I go to a legal protest against the war as a student? I don't want that to prevent me getting a job years later. Plain facts without a back story are misleading, for example I was charged with assault sounds bad, but I pushed two guys who were jumping on an old guy on the ground. Charges were dropped but there is still a record somewhere and I was fingerprinted. I don't want people saying oh he's a yob he was arrested for assault when it wasn't really the case. | |
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| 11-02-09 06:16pm - 5528 days | #4 | |
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BabyGetReal (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Jul 26, '09 Location: Western Massachusetts USA |
Oops, Wittyguy, I mistook the (65) by your handle to be your age. But you're only 42. I'm 69. Sorry, you will, with any luck, be around for the full experience! | |
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| 11-02-09 10:01pm - 5528 days | #5 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
If only it were true -- I would still be eighteen! Of course, you would be nine and picdude would be three, though incredible reviewers for your ages. No, it's just the user's total points, so unlike your age, you would not want to lie too much, though one lucky user currently has 69. Hopefully Wittyguy still has a long way to go, unless he is disappeared by Big Brother or stresses out over the daily erosion of civil liberties and human rights. Sleep well, Wittyguy! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 11-02-09 10:36pm - 5528 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Great post as always, Wittyguy! I have to say for a guy with an avatar with its head up its own ass you are actually quite aware of the current state of affairs of this world, or at least this country, with regards to the complacency of our surrender of our basic privacy and liberties. Seriously, why are people so nonchalant about this? You would think people have at least enough common sense to not post their drunk photos on Facebook or start shooting an underage Beaver Hunt with their cell phones. I like how picdude mentioned the idiotic use of that tired old phrase "What should you worry about if you've done nothing wrong (illegal)." Actually, that's exactly what we should be worrying about. The idea that we are all equally guilty to begin with is abhorrent. It is what I worry about every time I hear "if you've done nothing wrong" -- that I am still having my privacy invaded anyway. Whatever happened to presumption of innocence? Not to bring up a recovering wound, but it reminds me of the Henry Louis Gates arrest this summer, with a lot of critics of Gates saying that had he not gotten angry at the police he would never been arrested. But can you blame anyone for being angry when they are not presumed innocent in the first place? But back to the whole privacy issue, there a couple things I always remind myself of: 1.) E-mail is has never been is not and never will be private. It goes through way too many separate channels to ever be considered secure or private. I try to keep my e-mails general (within reason) but still informative enough to not compromise my privacy. 2.) Like #1, anything and everything done on the Internet is tracked, logged, or somehow recorded somewhere, somehow. Yes, we are all anonymous here, and we like it that way, but our IP addresses are still being tracked wherever we go on the web. A good rule is to act according to what you are on and where. For example, you might not want to update your Facial Abuse collection while at work or at the library, but you just have to update it, so keep it restricted to your computer at your home, unless your spouse or significant other enjoys sharing his or hers, even for porn (in which case, what's your secret?). ;) Someone is always watching, and hopefully he or she is as open-minded as you. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 02, 2009, 10:40pm | |
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| 11-03-09 03:45am - 5528 days | #7 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
See this scares me. I do believe this is the direction we're heading. I do hope I'm wrong and just being paranoid though. Our privacy will definitely be eroded somehow, I just wonder how much. | |
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| 11-03-09 11:16am - 5528 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Basically my point is akin to Moore's Law: that the pace of technology will grow exponentionally while laws and our notions regarding civility and privacy take much longer to catch up. The end result, at least from the perspective of someone living in 2009, is that we're going end up living a pseudo Mel Brook's movie role in "High Anxiety" because while it will be much harder for everyone to hide information you'll always be left wondering if people are treating you the way they do because of who you are or because of what they've found out about you on a data mining expedition. Oh, and by the way, here's the latest I-Phone app that tells you where your friends are, which businesses are near by and what the reviews of those businesses are -- http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/techno...net/03local.html?hpw. | |
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| 11-03-09 01:10pm - 5528 days | #9 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I have read a lot of people describe Loopt as creepy, which to me is an understatement. How about unethical, intrusive, and invasive? Why is it so important to constantly know what people are doing at all times of the day and where they are doing it? Obviously there is money to be made, otherwise these services would never be created, but I can't see much benefit out of this. I am sure this is already seen as a way to track spouses/boyfriends/men (because we can't possibly be trusted, right?), but if you can't put your trust and faith in someone then you probably shouldn't be with him or her, and no technology is going to fix your paranoid control freak complex. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-05-10 05:00pm - 5253 days | #10 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Resurrecting an older thread here, for anyone interested, the NY Times just long a long-ass article on the problems associated with the web's inability to "forget" (here's the post in case you're suffering from insomnia and lack of paranoia some night: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html?pagewanted=1&hp. The article raises a couple of interesting points that address our psychological issues with on-line information. While we all like to think that we look for the best in others (OK, maybe just some of us) the web keeps everyone's dirty laundry around forever. These "negatives" (whether they be stupid drunk pictures, nasty hookups or drunken rant postings) appeal to our unconscious desire to find out the ugly side of people ... all you have to do is look at the celebrity tabloids to verify that one. It's just more fun to see someone we don't know well get torn down than it is to build them up. This psychological thrill begins to strike close to home when it smacks into our own lives. While the web may eventually cause to be more forgiving, so far it's just not happening. For example, many employers now routinely screen job applicants Facebook and other web profiles along with Googling them. The article mentions one case where a woman was denied a teaching degree because of a picture of her holding a beer and wearing a hat that said "Drunken Pirate" (the picture apparently sent the wrong message to kids ... kids who are eagerly looking to score some beer for their next party). This situation underscores the problem with being "unable to forget": bias and context. We all carry our biases around, some more universal than others. Context becomes more problematic when a picture or posting is taken out of context -- the recent case wear a senior Obama political appointee was fired for supposedly making racist statements on a YouTube posting only for it to be discovered that just the opposite was true is a prime example. Whose to say that the young woman wouldn't have made a great teacher (who says she was even drunk or that she made her costume) and what was the motivation of the blogger who originally edited and ran the racist comments. In both cases judgment was passed without knowing the real story. This is the real problem with the way the web is heading. We are all taught that more information is better and the web is definitely more. The problem is that as people we are just more the sum of our on-line parts and that point gets skipped over in a hurry if you have a black spot or two in your past. How do you redeem yourself, if you're not a celebrity who gets gobs of press, to others when the worst thing you did (or are superficially accused of doing) can't be undone? Who the hell has the time or the money to monitor their on-line reputation and who can even be sure that some site will take down pics that you didn't authorize? Should I be copyrighting and trademarking all my posts and pics, threatening legal action every time someone mentions them or reposts them? I knew there was a reason I avoid social networking and pretty much limit myself to anonymous rants on-line. | |
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| 08-20-10 10:55am - 5238 days | #11 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
There is really such tidal waves of information on the net, the chances of anyone remembering or caring what somebody posted & when is unlikely. Sure, with the social networking thing, if you participate, you are concentrating your input in a few sites, and usually without anonymity, so you would have to be careful what you uploaded. Personally, I don't social network. If I want to contact friends I will call or email & they likewise. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-20-10 11:40pm - 5237 days | #12 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
This issue with Ffcebook has been a concern for a while, I know that even my old company's HR department would do this - even though we were not exactly a large company. Although, I think the facebook thing has less to do with the unable to forget issue as it does with companies allowing users to set their privacy controls as they see fit. Pretty much everyone, everywhere, should keep all their profile stuff private. All of the stories I've heard about thsoe being denied employment due to facebook were cases where people had their profile public and had some stupid stuff in their profiles - not that they tried to delete things from their profile. I think you bring up an imporant point, though. People should remember that once something is on the internet, it will probably be there forever, no matter how much you try to delete it. Another interesting article akin to this topic I heard on NPR the other day: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...hp?storyId=129298003 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...395073512989404.html An interesting place to look to see what they know about you is here: http://tags.bluekai.com/registry It says I am a 25-29 year old woman, interesting. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-21-10 06:28am - 5237 days | #13 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User  Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
It's unfair that slutty people are pigeonholed like that. | |
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| 08-21-10 12:22pm - 5237 days | #14 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I guess they found out about the butterfly tattoo on my lower back somehow... Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-21-10 03:07pm - 5237 days | #15 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm a pretty "clean" guy, really. Sure, I like porn and use bad language sometimes, but I've never been arrested for anything, have had very few moving violations, and I generally have kept my life in good order. All of the substance abuse was before the days of the desktop computer, quite a while ago. I think Wittyguy's message is for people like me. We worry about such things, and we just don't have the guile or the impetuousness to know how we'd cope if some dirt on us came to light with people we didn't want to see it. But I've seen and had to work with lots of people who do have the kind of willfulness to survive such things, to spin them back at their accusers, to do whatever it would take to deal with it. They know how to manipulate things. I guess I could sum it up this way: The digital age is not going to make the human sleazeball disappear ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 08-22-10 04:04am - 5236 days | #16 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Certainly not--if anything we've only increased and strengthened our sleaziness in ways never before thought possible. Take Chat Roulette, for example. I mean before if you wanted to watch a bunch of guys masturbate you'd probably have to plan and organize meetings and where to watch each other--in other words a lot more work than just buying a full length mirror and a comfortable chair. But now you have a website to fulfill all your digitized mutual masturbatory needs without even leaving your home office!  What has media and communication technology done for us lately that makes us think anything more beyond "Uh, but what about porn? When, where, how, and what'll it cost, 'cause I have needs! So figure out how it'll apply to porn or start working on something else!"  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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