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| 08-26-11 10:01am - 4829 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
An interesting radio interview re porn piracy On the CBC radio program called “Q” today, the host interviews an American lawyer named John Steele who has several clients in the porn industry who are suing people for illegal downloading of porn. One of his clients, Steve Lightspeed, presumably the man behind the Lightspeed Network, is also one of the leading proponents of taking action against illegal users. One of the things I found interesting was that the Steele made the comment that mainstream studios have pretty much given up on chasing down illegal users because of the bad publicity and now just factor the piracy losses into the product, but adult producers, most of whom are pretty small, can’t do that. They’ve taken the attitude of ‘fuck it, let’s get these bastards.’ One figure cited was that some sites have seen a 90% drop in revenues most of which is attributed to piracy. In the interest of fairness, the program also considers the critics of this method. I was pleasantly surprised to hear that no one was interviewed who took the position that ‘pornography is evil (as in anti-women or sinful) and therefore the porn industry shouldn’t have access to the courts to seek redress. They did play a clip from a woman representing the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Their position is that this approach is bad because it is better for the defendant to settle than fight it because of court costs involved in fighting it. But isn’t that a criticism of the justice system and not of the way these internet sites are going after thefts? The other criticism is the perception that this is a kind of extortion, as in ‘if you don’t pay us $1,500 we’ll file a public court document stating that you download porn.’ Steele’s effective retort to that was that people should be more embarrassed for stealing something than for the theft being of porn. As he puts it, car thieves would probably rather not get caught up in the legal system too. I found this interesting because I don’t download illegal porn and I suspect that almost all active PU members don’t either. Paying for porn means sites will continue making porn, and that’s something we all want. So PU members, tell your neighbours to stop downloading illegal porn, sign up for a PU account and start paying for what you get. For those who may be interested in listening to this, here is the link to the program (the story is on the front page now but will probably be moved to ‘past shows’ by next week) and it is also on iTunes as a podcast. Look for the show dated August 26, 2011. http://www.cbc.ca/q/ | |
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| 08-26-11 10:24am - 4829 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I suspect the bulk of PU members pay for their porn so we would be speaking to the converted and I personally don't know anyone that downloads free porn. Of course there is no such thing as free porn. It might be free to the one who stole it but I know how much it cost me so it's not free for me. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-28-11 02:43am - 4828 days | #3 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
What I would consider to be the greatest barrier facing anyone wanting to take legal action against these downloaders is actually proving who it was that downloaded the file. Unless we find it acceptable that whoever pays the Internet bill is the person liable for the download then this type of thing can never work. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 08-28-11 08:32am - 4827 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The best solution would be something like photo-radar for speeding cars where the owner of the car gets the ticket. You don't lose points on your driver's license because it's next to impossible to prove who was driving the car at the time of the infraction. Whoever is regiustered with the ISP is the one that would get the fine. Now some might say that's not fair but frankly how many underage boys and girls are downloading illegal content using the internet access of their parents? If the father or mother get a 300$ fine for a first offense because of illegal downloading then they can inforce rules far better than any goverment agency could. Especially if they are told that a second offense is over 1000$. This has worked effectively well with photo-radar because abitual speeders get to the point where they can no longer afford speeding. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-28-11 09:55am - 4827 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Primarily to PUs like us is: Quality. Generally the NET is free - and thanks for that. I do not get upset because some producers - who for SOME - are ONLY into porn for the money - and AGAIN for some probably financed by organized crime.... But again to the more law orbing/hard working ect. sites it has to be a burden to have to deal with all that "piracy".... I do not think that any lawyers no matter how smart can prevent some kind of that piracy going on practically from all over the world. BTW: Compare to what's going on concerning the music business...just a thought. Guess most here have checked out some of that freeloading via usernet, those places like Filesonic, Oron, Rapidshare ect. I have, but do not like it - for two reasons, mostly: Bad quality and virus risks...ect. So yes, as a many years member of this PU I still prefer to pay for my porn...and be more certain (mostly)/secure of what I get. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Aug 28, 2011, 10:27am | |
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| 08-28-11 10:58am - 4827 days | #6 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
This issue was addressed in the interview too and they seem to take a reasonable approach. They cite a case where they filed an action against an IP address in San Francisco that turned out to belong to a grandmother. She obviously wasn't the culprit, but her live-in grandson probably was. They had no way of proving the real user so they dropped the suit. I suspect that the embarrassed grannnndmother probably dealt with the thieving grandson in her own effective way! | |
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| 08-31-11 12:39am - 4825 days | #7 | |
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RustyJ (0)
Suspended Posts: 79 Registered: Aug 04, '10 |
Any heavy handed approach towards porn piracy is destined to fail and cause harm to wrong people. Threatening and asking for settlements is outright wrong and in my opinion a bigger crime than free loading. I understand that in some countries you end up losing more money to lawyers even if you win than what the demanded settlement was. Add the fact that in some societies porn is so unaccpeted still that people are more likely to pay up than defend themselves even in cases where someone else did the loading. Most of the other methods are hurting the paying customer while pirates still get their stuff. DRM, streaming, even nag screens that you cannot skip at the beginning of DVD's, they only hurt the ones who pay. The only way is to make paying more attractive. That means giving at least what the free loaders get. Preferably more. Don't withold your latest releases to sell them on DVD's first, stop releasing stuff drop by drop etc. If the pirate gets new DVD the day it comes out, why do subscribers wait for weeks and months (that is if it ever gets released on the website). DVD studios are especially guilty of this. | |
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| 08-31-11 02:22am - 4825 days | #8 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Maybe...but a lot of people view things like photo-radar as excessive government intrusion. Regardless of "the innocent should have nothing to worry about" argument, whether in speeding or downloading, some people simply don't like be photographed, registered, tracked, whatever for everything they do. Another good example of this is an article I read recently about drunk driving in the U.S., and in the comments section someone mentioned that manufacturers should simply install breathalyzers in every car to prevent people from starting their vehicles when drunk. The commenter didn't seem to care about the innocent, just as in the case with wanting to solve problems with more cameras and tracking. I sure as hell don't want my ISP handing over whatever information they have on me to a government or some third party just because some producer or company can no longer turn a profit. I say it's up to the creators to increase the barriers to illegal copying rather than just go the idiotically disastrous route the music industry took a few years back to fight .mp3 downloading and sharing. Bottom line, don't piss off your customer base with legal shenanigans or more bad product--instead they should innovative and evolve. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-06-11 06:09pm - 4818 days | #9 | |
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Mark123 (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 04, '10 Location: United States |
It seems to me the true innocents are those hurt by drunk drivers and red light runners. Many of the people who complain about gov't intrusion in cases like this I suspect are in fact guilty, not innocent, just as a wife beater wishes the police would "mind their own business". Edited on Sep 06, 2011, 07:08pm | |
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| 09-06-11 11:20pm - 4818 days | #10 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
 So I'm not innocent? Ouch... But that's exactly the attitude I was talking about (if I can even remember where I was going with my original post)--I believe there is a bigger problem when we automatically presume someone guilty of a crime simply by his or her refusal to submit to what amounts to an illegal search. Sorry, but I'm a stickler for the Constitution, even that pesky 4th Amendment.  I think we start down a seriously wrong path if we passively go along with the idea that we constantly have to prove our innocence in a "free" society, especially if it's well outside the rules and boundaries of a courtroom. I don't like to be threatened with an arrest or fine just for watching a movie I paid to see or have to go through a breathalyzer to start my own car. Yes, people will drink and drive, and it sucks, but the car isn't the problem, no more than the porn is to blame for its piracy (though I guess horny computer hackers can cause the biggest headaches, so maybe the porn is partly to blame). But bottom line, you go after those who have done nothing wrong and there will be a backlash and ultimate failure. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-07-11 05:06pm - 4817 days | #11 | |
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Mark123 (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 04, '10 Location: United States |
Sorry I shouldn't have worded my post to imply any guilt on your part. I would disagree on all the examples you gave as being unconstitutional. I don't feel like writing whole book right now but I did want to make a quick apology for the tone of my post. | |
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| 09-07-11 11:39pm - 4817 days | #12 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
No need, this isn't exactly a forum on legal advice (at least I hope it's not!).  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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