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| 03-13-10 10:37pm - 5398 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
Porn, Boxing and Pro Wrestling What do porn, boxing and pro wrestling have in common? Answer: they all have physical "abuse". Everytime I watch boxing or pro wrestling, I can't help but think "why are we OK with this type of violent bloody physical abuse but not OK with porn which is far less abusive". We don't see porn stars being punched with bloody noses, bruised and swelling eyes, broken hips, broken neck, brain damage (remember Muhammad Ali) and what have you but we see all that with boxing and pro wrestling. What even worse than that is we let children seeing this crap. I would argue that boxing and pro wrestling are far more physically abusive than porn, especially main stream porn. But people are far more critical with porn. We also let Hollywood make very graphic violent movies like the Saw Series. We show them in theaters. Nobody complains. Yet if a Hollywood Producer makes a movie with frontal nudity, it immediately gets an NC-17 Rating and hardly any theaters want to show it. Rap music that glorifies violence is another example. I would rather seeing people having fun fucking rather than hurting and killing each other. Why is it that our society is more willing to tolerate graphic violence but not sex? What is it about sex that people are so afraid of? | |
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| 03-14-10 12:20am - 5397 days | #2 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I don't think people are afraid of sex. What they're afraid of is admitting that they like it. Our so-called moral leaders keep reminding us that it's dirty, and it's become popular to publicly denounce it as such. I think it's just one of the things that religion has done to society. Hotels have reported that the highest numbers of X-rated rentals happen conventions of religious groups are occupying their rooms. It's just hypocrisy at it's finest - openly against it, privately enjoying it. Violence, on the other hand, doesn't have the "filth factor", so it's more easily overlooked. I don't agree with it, but I think that's basically why it's somewhat tolerated. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-14-10 03:55am - 5397 days | #3 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Wow! You haven't figured out yet that Professional Wrestling is *fake*? News flash, wrestlers are not being hurt, they are not being killed. And boxing is just about dead as a sport. Better to go with something more popular, like football. Oh, wait, government *is* taking actions against the violence in that sport too. There are huge differences between how a porn performer is created, and how a boxer or MMA fighter is trained. Even going at it from the opposite angle, compare someone who is beat up, versus someone who was raped, you going to tell us you don't see the difference in the psychological impact those have on the victims? But let's just get down to the real test - pornwatcher, and anyone else here too, would you want your own daughter entering the porn industry? Or how would you feel if your son trained to be a fighter? Yea, there is a difference. | |
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| 03-14-10 08:05am - 5397 days | #4 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User  Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
Gonna agree with RagingBuddhist, it has to do with nothing more then religion. But the fact is, even with them against, it's not hurting us who like to watch it. Yeah we may be consider dirty or perverts but who really fucking cares what they think? I mean, there will never be a day when porn is broadcast on national channels or anything, and honstly don't think it should. So do you think it's okay to just be walking down the street and seeing couples fucking out in the open? I guess I don't really understand what your concern is. We have 18 year olds seeing much worse everyday over in a war, I don't think that the Saw series or some bloody movie is gonna scar anybody. As for boxing, pro wrestling, MMA, NFL, NHL, etc, those are pros that are trained to do that. They know what to expect and how to prevent themselves from getting injured. Just like there are age limit for smoking, drinking, gambling, I also think there should be a age limit for porn. I don't see any bright side from inducing children or teens to porn more openly. They are already starting young enough. I'd take my kid watching any of the sports listed above over porn anyday. | |
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| 03-14-10 12:46pm - 5397 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Justme - clearly you don't know what you're talking about - pro wrestling is indeed scripted, but it's very physical - wrestlers break their bones all the time - watch how often pro wrestlers fall on their necks and you'll understand why so many have to take a year off to repair broken necks. Then there's the concussions from chair shots and all of the other activities in pro wrestling. Chris Benoit - the guy who murdered his wife and son before killing himself - had a specialty of a flying head butt - flying off the turnbuckle and landing - all 265 lbs of him on his head on his opponents' chest - he had also taken MANY chair shots in his career - his autopsy showed him as having an incredibly messed up brain. I agree that it's religious hypocricy that sanctions organized violent sports, and sports entertainment (pro wrestling) - while decrying sexual expression - check out how many young men are messed up for life by playing US-style football - crazy numbers of concussions there. People are pretty extreme and a lot of the avenues that humans used to have to deal with that aggression - being part of hunting parties, etc - are no longer part of every day life - so we have sports instead. Personally, I'm a fan of a number of combat sports as well as pro wrestling - going to see a WWE House Show this afternoon, in fact (WWE and Cirque du Soleil are two sides of the same coin, in my opinion - I like both). I do think that chair shots, tombstone pile drivers and other moves that have too high a potential for bodily injury should be eliminated and that wrestlers should be given more time to heal from their injuries - WWE and football have a common "Get back in the game" outlook. | |
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| 03-14-10 06:35pm - 5397 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I say that the physical abuse in boxing and wrestling is far worse than anything in porn, even more so than the rougher content out there. I would also say that what they really all have in common is that their participants willingly consent to what they are doing and they are aware of or at least accept the risk of the consequences. Yes, Ali has brain damage but it's hard to feel sorry for him when his job was to fight people and get punched in the head. Likewise porn stars get AIDS and STDs but they knew those were the risks going in. But why do we, at least in America, accept violence and not sex or even nudity? Well, at this point I am so tired of hearing myself try and defend sex to people who clearly have no shame in hiding their insatiable blood lust that I have pretty much given up. Why we have so much blood lust I can only explain with circular logic; we like violence because it is rewarded in many, many cases and thus we continue it and then only reward it further. American history in just the last ten to fifteen years has not only accepted but outright celebrated violence and punished sex in numerous historical events. Sadly I can't see this changing anytime soon. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-14-10 11:58pm - 5397 days | #7 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Pink Panther took the words out of my mouth on the pro wrestling part. Darren Drozdrov always comes to mind. There is a fine line between fake and scripted. My guess on the whole sex vs. violence could be summed up simply by saying our society likes to see others hurt, whether physical or mental. It seems to make us feel better about our own pain/problems. On the other hand, we don't like to support seeing others get what we want more of. There is the whole men with small penises not wanting to think their wife/girlfriend/future girlfriend might see a porn guy with a big penis. There is the whole insecure woman thing that works the other way where women don't want to think their man or future man is looking at women with better bodies than them. That has gotta be my shortest post ever! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 03-16-10 12:06am - 5396 days | #8 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I think you make an excellent point here, exotics (and think you have an excellent avatar too). It never ceases to amaze me how much America loves schadenfreude, that is the pleasure we get out of watching others fail and suffer. I know we like to see the best rise to the top but we like it even more when they come crashing down. Just look at reality TV, it makes failure entertaining: You can't cut it, get off our island! You can't sing, get off the stage and never come back! You're not my type of woman, get the fuck out of my bachelor pad! It's funny but it's also true and very sad that we so strongly condone these values. What's worse is we do it in real life, from tell all books to the extremes of our criminal justice system. You're other point I don't quite agree with though;
Maybe "we don't like to support seeing others get what we want more of" in porn but with most other things we love to live in a fantasy of the pursuit of wealth and a lifestyle we cannot afford. It's kind of hard to fix a short penis or a boring sex life with just a swipe of your credit card but plenty of other things can just be bought (at least temporarily with credit) to make us try and acquire what others have. Doesn't America's love affair with celebrities and obscene luxury and wealth prove it? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 03-23-10 03:19am - 5388 days | #9 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I think it is the other way around, actually. I think society has decided that it is in fact willing to tolerate porn more than violence. Look at the internet--yes, religious leaders might huff and puff about its evils from time to time but nude women are everywhere on the internet and I don't see that changing any time soon. I think any recent crackdowns on porn have mainly focused on child porn, not on consensual adult porn. Boxing, on the other hand, seems to be in a state of decline. Why did you choose to single out a boxer (Ali) who retired 30 years ago, rather than a current star? It's because the golden age of boxing was decades ago and today's boxers are not very memorable. | |
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| 03-23-10 07:02am - 5388 days | #10 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Strange time to be talking about today's boxers not being memorable when boxing has been in the news quite a bit lately - focused on Pacquiao, Mosely & Mayweather. Boxing is certainly not healthy. The various ruling bodies with their ridiculous rankings and failure to produce many good fights for decades has seen to that. It's only in recent years that broadcasters such as HBO have basically said, "Screw 'em" and started broadcasting the fights they wanted to show with the matchups they wanted to show, regardless of whether or not belts were on the line. MMA is much more popular among younger "fight" fans - and has a lot more variety and a lot more opportunity for fans to participate in elements of the sport. MMA organizations will also have to make the fights that fans want to see in order to keep the sport thriving. A couple of things on fighter safety: I was glad to see WWE publicize that starting in January they banned chair shots - there's just no way to take a metal chair to the head and have it be safe - and there are lots of other things that can be done to advance a story line or make a match exciting. MMA refs seem to really get the life-and-death stakes of their matches. I'm impressed at their willingness to stop fights as soon as they feel that one fighter has been defeated to prevent further punishment - to the point of tackling the attacking opponent, if need be. That's a good thing. | |
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