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| 11-18-15 12:11pm - 3322 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rooka (0)
Active User Posts: 10 Registered: Apr 28, '12 |
How is Woodmans Casting not on top amateur sight list ? Makes me wonder how good this sight is when it seems that a sight like this is left out when i look up "top sights " for "amateurs" ....Am i missing something ? Edited by Staff on Nov 19, 2015, 06:00am | |
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| 11-19-15 06:53am - 3321 days | #2 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
For a long time the Woodman site couldn't be on here because it wasn't in English. The other problem is the niches it's listed under are "Reality Porn" and "Hardcore Sex", so the system wouldn't list it under amateur. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 11-19-15 12:44pm - 3321 days | #3 | |
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MikeC
PornUsers Staff  Posts: 102 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
Exotics4Me is right. Depending on the presentation, casting sites are typically categorized under Reality or Amateur. We are actually about due to revisit this site and give it another review. Since Woodman works with a lot of established pornstars (I see there are new vids with Dillion Harper and Blake Eden, for example) on the site, it's unlikely it will move to Amateur, but that will be an editorial decision when the new review is written. | |
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| 11-19-15 05:50pm - 3321 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think tagging the site as amateur would be the way to go as it is more of a professional site that just happens to have a mixture of amateur, semi-pros and pros. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-20-15 06:58am - 3320 days | #5 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The Woodman site seems to get a large number of models who are early in their career. Many of them, if they continue in porn, later become established porn stars. So I think it's a matter of interpretation how you classify the site: Amateur or Professional. Like I said, Woodman does work with a lot of professionals, but they become professional after he works with them. I'm talking about the Woodman Casting site. The Wake up'n fuck site seems to have more professionals, or professionals who are further into their careers. Just my humble opinion, of course. | |
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| 11-20-15 07:05pm - 3320 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^ It's true that Woodman has a ton of unknowns or at least they were unknowns when he first shot them. He still hires a lot but I've noticed in recent years that he has started to hire semi-pros/pros to appear on his sites. Probably because finding new girls willing to do porn is getting harder to do. The main reason why I think tagging the site as amateur is that so many of the women who first appear on Woodman's site do go one to have a decent career in porn and he is such a professional himself that he makes the girls look like semi-pro as opposed to true amateurs. That and he tends to sit on scenes for such a long time that by the time he actually releases their first scene. They already have plenty of videos on multiple sites. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-21-15 05:02am - 3319 days | #7 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
@pat362, do you know why Woodman holds many videos for years before he posts them to his Casting site? Just seems strange to me, that he wouldn't want to release them as soon as possible after they are shot. The value and impact of the videos would be greatest when they are fresh (newly shot), in my opinion. If you hold them for years before posting them, they are more of an archival item, that you regard as an early video of a porn star--which is more of a collector's item, instead of a fresh, explosive video of a young model. For Wake Up and Fuck, he seems to release those videos much faster. But the vibe of the two sites is different. The approach of the two sites basically follows a formula. Casting uses girls who are "introduced" to porn. The girls are sort of seduced, and they get their bodies completely fucked. Wake up and fuck is more like, here's a girl in bed, and I'm going to fuck her brains out. Does that capture the difference in the two sites, or am I smearing them together? LOL. | |
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| 11-22-15 11:17am - 3318 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I've never heard the official reasons so everything that follows is pure speculation on my part. One of the reason as to why some scenes don't get released as quickly as many of us would want to is because Pierre does not always have a signed release from the model so there is no way for him to legally release the video. Now I don't know if it's B.S. on his part or the truth but I have read on his forum more than once him saying that he is negotiating with the model about releasing something he has already shot. I personally think that Pierre is a very shrewd business man. He has come to recognize the importance of having the first video of a newbie entering porn. It's true that he does shoot the very first videos of many women who go on to have decent if not impressive porn careers and it's also true that many fans clamour to see those newbies first videos as quickly as possible but seeing as Pierre is often able to coax these women into doing a lot of stuff that they may never do elsewhere than holding on to those early videos means that many more fans will be eagerly awaiting those first videos and therefore he gets a lot more traffic to his site(s). I'm sure he gets burned from time to time by holding on to some videos but the fact that he is still in business and still shooting content tells me that he knows what he's doing. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-24-15 12:40pm - 3316 days | #9 | |
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MikeC
PornUsers Staff Posts: 102 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
It would seem unlikely that he would shoot with someone before getting them to sign a release. It would just seem standard to get all of that handled ahead of time. Perhaps there is an issue of clearances (the European market, the North American market, etc). With that said, the update schedule is odd and what gets released when. Pierre Woodman is a pioneer in porn and from what I've read holds a kind of unique place within French culture, as a whole (think Terry Richardson in the US, before the scandals hit him). Though he's obviously a porn guy through and through, he also shoots for some of the biggest magazines in Europe and works a lot within fashion and the mainstream. While with Private in the early 90s, Woodman was one of the first people to tap into the Eastern European market, bringing in women from Czechoslovakia as well as former Soviet Bloc countries. And when you think of many of the women he discovered/shot early (Silvia Saint, Rita Faltoyano and Nessa Devil jump to mind) we're talking about tall, statuesque women that could in some cases easily be runway models. It's easy to see how access to a pool of hot talent would make Woodman an asset in both porn and the advertising/fashion world. There was an explosion of European performers who made big splashes on North American porn shores in the late-90s/early 00's (such as Silvia Saint and Rita Faltoyano) and Woodman played a part in that. He does a lot of "soft casting" videos now, and seem to be doing more of them, which I don't completely understand. For me, Woodman is the very definition of a pounder, so to see him just interview a performer for 20 minutes and have her get naked seems really passe for him. | |
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