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| 06-10-20 01:00am - 1656 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Interesting News Day in the World of Adult 2 articles here got my attention. https://avn.com/business/articles/video/...undaries-883549.html The first one talking about the multiple women accusing Ryan Madison of violating them. This will definitely keep me from re-subscribing to his sites, great as they are. As a fan of rough sex, I feel that it's incumbent on me to be sure that the sites I subscribe to are operating according to the highest ethical standards & taking care of their performers at the highest level. Clearly, that's not happening with Mr Madison. The other article is about Aiden Starr announcing that she will no longer be working with Evil Angel or Kink.com because she feels that "Many of my projects when viewed by the public do more harm than good. I have been complicit and I apologize.” I find very refreshing that John Stagliano said that he wants to have further discussions with Aiden before commenting further. Good for him. Too many people feel the need to shoot their mouths off based on very little understanding of the position that they're responding to. I'm glad that Stagliano has enough respect for Aiden & their relationship that he's going to put that first and let other people call him a coward if they want for him not shooting his mouth off. I wish more people followed his example. | |
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| 06-10-20 04:16am - 1656 days | #2 | |
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Kody (0)
Active User Posts: 26 Registered: Feb 03, '18 Location: NYC |
I read both articles. I found the part of giving alcohol / weed to the models also concerning. While it can easily be played off as making them feel comfortable and "bonding", I seriously have my doubt whether it's even illegal to film with an intoxicated model (for consent reasons). Totally agree with your statement at the end about the interaction between John and Aiden. In an adult industry, people should be able to have adult conversations around it. | |
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| 06-10-20 06:31am - 1656 days | #3 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User  Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Wow just read both articles all the way through. That's one of the things I personally do not like about some of Ryan's scenes or any other studio's for that matter, when you can see the fear in the models eyes. I don't get how people get off on that, for me it (and I'm speaking only for myself here so don't have a go at me) makes me so uncomfortable I turn the scenes off and delete them. In a planned scene it is different but their eyes hold the truth of the situation. I get that people have their own kinks but this is one I do not like, to each their own I guess. I agree with Kody about the alcohol/weed, you'd thing that would be a huge issue in the industry from a legal standpoint, impaired models can't give consent. I don't get why this industry protects the abusers, I remember a couple years ago the accusations against James Dean, yet he's still doing well in the business and that old school dude, Nacho Vidal I think was freaking notorious for abusing the girls on his sets, forced anal and all that. I've always had a lot of respect for John Stagliano, the way he set up evil angel and does business shows his integrity, the fact that he's completely willing to make less money so his people can make more. Read about evil angel to understand what I'm talking about. The fact that he refuses to comment on the situation until he can discuss it with her shows his respect for her, and again, his integrity. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on Jun 10, 2020, 06:43am | |
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| 06-10-20 10:01am - 1656 days | #4 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
And the Free Speech Coalition is talking about developing standards (long past due) to prevent further violations as reported as having occurred on Ryan Madison's shoots: https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/...oduction-883555.html The fact that there is no conversation with 18 year old girls about their do's and don'ts, failure to establish safe words or other cues that the girls are uncomfortable, etc, shows bad faith, at least, on the part of the person managing the shoots. | |
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| 06-11-20 04:11pm - 1655 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^The problem with the FSC is that it's more an arm of the porn industry and less an agency who truly cares about the people who work in it. They do these odd little things from time to time but that's because it's easy and it won't lead anywhere. If we are to take everything those women are saying about Ryan then he has been doing this for years and yet we are only hearing about it now. If they were telling anyone who would listen to them that he did what he is accused off then why didn't anyone at the FSC call him out? You can't tell me that multiple women complaining about on set drug and alcohol use wouldn't have reached the ears of the powers that be at the FSC and they did f..k all. STI's are rampant in the industry and somehow the FSC is still anti-codom. I know some will say that porn fans are anti-condom but an organisation that is somehow dedicated to protecting the health of the performers should at least try to offer the possibility of performers to ask for a condom during their scenes but they have never done that. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-13-20 07:41am - 1653 days | #6 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Sad to say that the porn industry is one that simply can not be or ever will be completely regulated. With all these indie studios's and "directors" any douche with a decent camera can call themselves directors and have their own website and book these girls. Lucy Tyler spoke of this on the documentary "Hot Girls Wanted", one of her first scenes she was booked for she was dropped off in a hotel parking lot expecting to walk onto a set and quickly found it was just one guy with a camera that immediately changed the agreed-upon blowjob to a forced blowjob. She was understandably terrified. Unless you're top tier grade A talent then these models are considered little more than human cattle. Most of these agencies would knowingly book their girls for a snuff film as long as they got their cut up front. Some even rent their girls out for freaking parties, This practice is what got Violet Rain killed. They can make all they rules they want but really have no way of enforcing them. Case in point, cali used to be the porn capital of the US, to many rules and fees so off to florida they went. Makes you wonder how much of the talent pool are actually drug/std tested regularly. Big names claim to be tested every 10-14 days. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on Jun 13, 2020, 07:45am | |
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| 06-13-20 08:03am - 1653 days | #7 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Another problem is if these girls actually speak up right after something happens then they immediately get labeled as a problem and end up blacklisted. There are so many young beautiful women these days that are willing to give the industry a go that they are unknowingly completely disposable to the agencies. One becomes a problem then who cares? There are 50 more willing to take her place with applications for 500 more. It's sad really. They enter thinking they're gonna be the next Jenna Jameson only to be chewed up and spit out. Or end up like Gauge, used her career to pay for collage only to find out she's un-hirable because nobody wants the hassle of dealing with them or fired them when they find out as they are potential legal trouble. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-13-20 09:05am - 1653 days | #8 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Very true - in fact, in the episodes described in the article, the girls didn't even feel that they could object during the shoots, so as not to be labeled "a problem." | |
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