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| 06-06-08 03:20pm - 6043 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Bye Bye Max Hardcore x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:01pm | |
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| 06-06-08 05:00pm - 6042 days | #2 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
I've seen all of one Max H video and I can say without reservation that it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. The point where I turned off the video was when he stuck his fingers down some girl's throat, made her vomit, and then smeared the vomit all over her face. I was highly disturbed for several hours afterwards, and wondered what kind of person would find such garbage entertaining. Only after a bit of objective thinking was I able to remember that some of the things I find stimulating and sexually exciting would no doubt be thought of as disgusting by certain people. That being said, if this material is being produced exclusively with legal aged persons who are are participating with complete consent, then there is nothing going on that ought to be considered illegal, although how moral or immoral it might be is a separate question. Issues such as these are unnecessarily complicated by people who do not understand the crucial distinction between morality and legality. I grant Max H and his ilk their right to produce and even to profit from this kind of material, as I grant anyone else the right to consume it. Acknowledging someone's right to do said activity isn't equal to morally sanctioning that activity, Rush Limbaugh's protests to the contrary notwithstanding. This case could set a precedent which could conceivably make a criminal out of just about anyone. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 06-06-08 07:41pm - 6042 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
To understand where I come from, let me first say that I used to enjoy Max Hardcore's stuff. The material that he produced in the early 90's was really hot. I can't be sure when, but at some point it became less hot and far more disturbing. I can't speak for TBP or PU, but the fact of the matter is that Max hasn't produced a new movie in a long time, and I visited his site earlier this year and I did not see any new updates as well. If nothing else removing his site means that some curious person won't get fooled into joining an old site. Out of curiosity, I took a look at other review sites and no ones has a recent review of his site. The other reason could be that they do not want in any shape or form to be promote the material of a convicted person. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-07-08 10:05pm - 6041 days | #4 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
"As of June 6th, TBP and PU have removed Maxhardcore.com from their website listings although his site appears to be active for the moment. Although I can certainly understand the reason behind this (don't feel like going to court in central Florida, eh, PU staff) my question to fellow users is if this is the "right" decision to have been made? In other words should PU stand up for speech or play it safe and avoid any potential legal liability?" I would expect/hope that TBP/PU would have requested advice from their legal counsel before making this move. I'm not going to substitute my opinion for the opinion of their legal counsel as to the risks that TBP/PU faced if they kept Max's site listings after the verdict. Reading the full article, it's interesting that at least some jurors apologized to Max for their ruling, saying that they felt that they had been forced to reach the decisin they had because of the way the law was written while feeling that it was an unjust ruling. | |
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| 06-08-08 08:20am - 6041 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Hey Wittyguy Tell me: What is this? Is it censorship? Is it restriction of freedom of expression? It's really crazy - one guy with a website with some porn - and maybe some weird porn - and so what? All over the US of A you can experience crazy/weird/sick and even the socalled snuff-porn - but, man - this do not seem to overdo it - or harm anyone. Is that Florida for you? Where is Serge here (Tim Dorsey)? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 06-09-08 11:40am - 6040 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:01pm | |
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| 06-09-08 02:08pm - 6040 days | #7 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Let me ask this. How many porn sites have any videos with Traci Lords, even after she turned 18? Is the industry "playing it safe?" You Hell betcha! The alternative ain't pretty and the industry seems to be doing quite well without Traci in the picture. I don't see how TBP or PU can help the cause of "free speech" by taking the completely unnecessary risk of linking anything to Max Hardcore. If they were directly involved with Max, that's one thing. But they're not. | |
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| 06-09-08 08:24pm - 6039 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:01pm | |
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| 06-10-08 11:07am - 6039 days | #9 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Don't know if these are what you're looking for but you might want to check out: Free Speech Coalition or EFF: Blue Ribbon Campaign (Electronic Frontier Foundation) Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 06-10-08 11:11am - 6039 days | #10 | |
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mr smut (0)
Active User  Posts: 107 Registered: Dec 27, '07 Location: Germany |
The latter is an organization I personally trust a lot. Everyone not aware shouldn't hesitate to read about what they stand for on their website. | |
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| 06-12-08 11:25pm - 6036 days | #11 | |
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TheRizzo (0)
Active User Posts: 44 Registered: Jun 11, '08 |
I for one can't stand the content Max Hardcore shoots, but I am not happy with him being convicted on the charges based on obsenity laws. I think he will appeal and hopefully he comes out on top or that could really change the way all types of porn end up getting shot which would blow. Must be tough for some of the porn producers since you don't know if you broke the obsenity laws until they convict you. | |
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| 06-26-08 03:26pm - 6023 days | #12 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
As Voltaire have reportedly said: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". And it's exactly "right to say", not something else: Max was prosecuted NOT for DOING something wrong, but exactly for SAYING (showing) it in the way SOMEBODY considers disgusting. When I don't like what Max (or whoever else) is saying, I won't visit his site. Or I can rate his site low here at PU. Or I can start discussing here how disgusting his movies are. All of those are reasonable reactions to somebody SAYING something. But to put somebody to jail just for SAYING something is as far from democratic ideals as it can possibly be. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 06-26-08 10:16pm - 6022 days | #13 | |
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The Dude (0)
Active User  Posts: 4 Registered: Jun 26, '08 |
I'm 100% for free speech, but we all have to remember something here. The law is written in such a fashion that it holds the producer of these materials accountable to the "community standards" in which they are being sold. Guys like Max Hardcore, Ray Guhn, and Extreme Associates are pushing the envelope on purpose. As a result, they are putting the progress that has been made over the past couple of decades at risk. Community standards are evolving all the time, and all over the United States. If the producers of adult materials would simply stay in sync with the times, the community standards will continue to evolve towards more and more tolerance for varying views and interests. If they want to exceed the lowest threshhold of tolerance in this country currently, then they should produce their materials in Germany where they won't hurt the overall progress that mainstream producers have kept in sync with over the past couple of decades. I, too, used to enjoy Max Hardcore's vids back in the early 90's. But this guy clearly took a turn towards a level of depravity that few people are interested in these days. Don't get me wrong, I completely believe that he has a right to produce whatever he wants as long as no one is getting hurt and everyone is a consenting adult. That having been said, he should have known that the time is not yet right in this country to produce that level of extreme porn because folks simply haven't developed a concurrent level of tolerance yet. The Dude | |
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| 06-27-08 05:19am - 6022 days | #14 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
On the second thought, I was wrong, and there is still one more step ahead in that direction: the next thing coming will be to put me to jail because jury in SOME county decides that my post defending Max is disgusting too. It's not going to happen any time soon, but current trend looks way too dangerous. The line between going to prison for making video which SOMEBODY doesn't like and for writing something which SOMEBODY (or even majority) doesn't like is VERY thin. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 06-27-08 03:44pm - 6022 days | #15 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:01pm | |
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| 06-28-08 04:09pm - 6021 days | #16 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Let's look at the "community standards" test in relation to the recent Supreme Court ruling on guns. The "community" in Washington DC was pretty clearly upset with the ruling that said that any nimbus had a right to bear arms, under the constitution, when they have had a hell of a time as it is, even with a ban, stopping hand-gun violence. Did the court give a hoot what the "community" thought? No. They didn't care what the constitution said since there isn't even a controversy about whether or not to arm state-sanctioned "militias". But in the case of porn and "speech", which is SO MUCH MORE consequential than young kids and other random people being shot to death all over the freaking place, then the "community" is held up high. And in fact, that's a lie, too, since the original story said that the jury members, in the main, did not want to convict Max but that the wording of the law, as it was read to them, gave them no other option. So much for respect for the views of the "community". | |
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| 07-01-08 12:16pm - 6018 days | #17 | |
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JBDICK (0)
Active User  Posts: 160 Registered: Apr 04, '08 Location: Wales, UK |
as this thread is about Bye Bye Max Hardcore...I just wanted to say that whenever I've seen his stuff, I did love the 1st 5 minutes of creepy pervy old man with fit young school 'wannabe model' babe, upto the point before they get defaced by their own intestinal fluids (sick!) I loved Catalina and Jade Marcela who both had the most amazing unashamed approach to demeaning themselves and the other models by wearing those outrageous go-go outfilts in loud eighties/nineties fluorescent colors and seriously slutty makeup and hooker heels... It always amazed me that they would let someone do those things to them, yet Catalina and Jade were probably in dozens of his films... I always wondered one thing. Afterwards did they hang around and have a beer and a barbeque or did the girls go home and have a good cry... i'm betting it was the latter...and I wouldn't be surprised if not many people visit him or write... I wonder if he'll be made to throw up in prison or wear those same outfits as a punk ass bitch... If Catalina needs to talk about it, email me... Beautiful Girls Covered in Pearls and No Oysters in Sight | |
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| 07-01-08 12:26pm - 6018 days | #18 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:02pm | |
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| 07-01-08 06:52pm - 6017 days | #19 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I've seen various reactions by his models. Stephanie Swift really felt exploited by Max and even years later feels bad about the way she was treated by him. And this is a woman that enjoyed working with Rob Black, who had guys lining up to slap her in Gang Bang Angels. On the other hand, there was a young porn babe, whose name I can't remember at this point, who made a very big deal about how badly she was treated by another director who used her in a rough sex vid and had the male performer choking her with his dick down her throat and doing other things with no regard for her feelings or well-being - she had also worked with Max who did his usual things with her but she had no problems with him, said she thought he was a nice guy, that he would cut scenes any time she needed a break, looked out for her and would stop any time he thought she wanted him to. Of course the scene was him calling her a dirty slut and pissing on her and all but she was like, "Hey, I knew that's what the scene was and what he was paying me for." | |
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| 10-07-08 10:19pm - 5919 days | #20 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:02pm | |
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| 10-08-08 09:28pm - 5918 days | #21 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Ridiculous - I see they have shut down his website as well. I bloody hate censorship. I hope they move the servers overseas and resume business. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-08-08 10:10pm - 5918 days | #22 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
If he's smart, he'll have tucked away a shitload of cash in other countries and he'll go buy a house outside of Budapest or someplace and relax and enjoy himself. He certainly had a ride. | |
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| 10-09-08 03:53pm - 5918 days | #23 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:02pm | |
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| 10-09-08 04:04pm - 5918 days | #24 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Indeed you are right, it would only protect the content of the site - I figured fleeing the country was a strong possibility for him, I just would like the website to find refuge overseas as well, lol Let's hope the appeal is successful and this farce can be put to rest. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-06-08 06:14pm - 5889 days | #26 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:02pm | |
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| 04-09-09 12:11pm - 5736 days | #27 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:02pm | |
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| 04-09-09 12:47pm - 5736 days | #28 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Interesting, Wittyguy. A site I was interested in until I got an arrogant webmaster putting me down was pornstarXS which also operates out of Cyprus. I wonder what makes Cyprus a good place for pornsters to operate from? Their address per their website is: RNJ Communications 25 Gordinias Street Kaimakli, Nicosia Cyprus Edited by Staff on Apr 09, 2009, 06:53pm (Khan: corrected URL) | |
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| 04-09-09 01:00pm - 5736 days | #29 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:03pm Edited by Staff on Apr 09, 2009, 06:55pm (Khan: Corrected URL) | |
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