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| 07-27-12 11:26pm - 4531 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Hybrid SSD/HDD Drive I was just wondering if any PUs had tried one of the SSD/HDD hybrid drives. I know they have been around for a while, but it seems as though the newer batch actually has some pretty good performance improvements in boot/load time almost as good as SSD alone - but much much cheaper (at least from what I've read). I think the recent PU poll about buying new technology a month ago jinxed me, as just after saying I don't plan on buying anything new, I dropped my stupid laptop. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-27-12 11:55pm - 4531 days | #2 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
SSDs have been getting really cheap recently (you can pick up some decent/good 128GB drives for $100 nowadays without looking too hard, and even about $80 or so if you do look hard), and at that point I'd suggest an SSD just as a boot drive and stick to mechanical drives for all your media storage. | |
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| 07-28-12 12:41am - 4531 days | #3 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Not really an option since I need a new laptop for work, I'm not aware of any laptops with two seperate drives in them. Thanks for the suggestion though. And 128 isn't really enough to do all the stuff I need to do, particularly since my laptop is my primary computer. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-28-12 05:49am - 4530 days | #4 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Back in 2008, Intel made a case to us about storage bottlenecking its Nehalem architecture. We were at IDF in San Francisco, the company was introducing its first solid-state drives, and its representatives stood on stage, describing the ways in which a conventional hard drive slowed down a Core i7 processor. Three years later, we've seen over and over in benchmarks that SSDs are legitimate performance-adders, changing the computing experience fairly dramatically. With that said, performance isn’t everything. When it comes to your data, all of the speed in the world means little if you can't trust the device holding that important information. After all, when you read about Corsair's Force 3 recall, OCZ's firmware updates to prevent BSODs, Crucial's link power management issues, and Intel's SSD 320 that loses capacity after a power failure, all within a two-month period, you have to acknowledge that we're dealing with a technology that's simply a lot newer (and consequently less mature) than mechanical storage. Try doing a search on Google or Amazon and read reviews, performance marks seem promising still, reliability is still and issue on some models. However the same could be said for standard drives. In real word use, you will not notice huge increase on speed unless you use spread sheet, edit huge data like movies editing or are into gaming. A porn users will notice nothing, other then a faster boot and software response. As it is most box store PC's offering SSD are still bottle-necked in other ways making the drive a novelty rather then a performer in most new boxed PC's. CT Since 2007 | |
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| 07-28-12 10:29am - 4530 days | #5 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
There are laptops where you can switch out the DVD drive and place another hard drive in that spot, though I realize that most people aren't willing to have a laptop that can't read optical discs unless it's designed to be really small, in which case that space doesn't exist anyway. | |
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| 07-28-12 10:56pm - 4530 days | #6 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Huh, I haven't seen a laptop like that in years, the last one I had that could do that was a Dell from like 2000. I'll have to look around a bit. CT, I understand SSDs are performance enhancers, that is why I am curious about the drives that are combo drives. Obviously both are new technology, and reviews of the newer hybrid drives seem pretty positive (most of the complaints on Amazon are that they don't work well with Macs) with a few dud complaints, but that happens with any hard drive. I was more curious if anyone had any personal experience with these hybrid drives. Ideally I'd like an SSD to improve performance on all the large data sets I analyze for work, I am wondering if the hybrid would give a reasonable performance boost while not costing too much for something on the order of 500 GB. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-29-12 01:22am - 4530 days | #7 | |
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otoh (0)
Active User Posts: 159 Registered: Sep 17, '10 Location: UK |
I recently bought an SSD - I keep smut etc on an external so I could manage with just a 256gb one for my internal drive, OS, apps and work. As CT suggests, there isn't that much real world difference, since most recent computers are fast enough to do pretty much what you want without making you wait anyway. But startup, app launch, copying etc are much faster; it's also silent, and although a hard drive isn't exactly noisy, the lack of the sound of it is notable.
There are a number of aftermarket caddies around which will do this job; basically an internal-optical-drive shaped hard drive holder. So as long as you don't mind opening it up, it should be doable on most laptops. | |
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| 07-30-12 08:58am - 4528 days | #8 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hi guys, I actually have has some experience in the past with growing technology. To get down to the bare bones of this, solid state drives why presented as new technology, has been around in some form for about 25 years. The nice words solid state drive just sound so cool. And better the storage ram drive . or something similar. Ok I digress. What we did back in teh day like back in the days of Dos was used a Ramdrive.sys and manipulated it to work the same as M$'s vitual drive the concept was pretty easy we gobbled up as much ram as we could back then on daughter-boards etc and made a nice ramdrive that upon boot a BAT file would copy items from the hardrive to the ram drive. This drive was 10mb woohoo but was big enough to hold almost everything my 25mb hardrive had. But was way faster then the hardrive, problem was you could not edit or save easily. To jump forward, Cameras and alike started coming out with cards that stored information like CD's do and eventually flash drives were born. The difference between a flash drive and a SSD is negligible just slightly different technology and reliability, but same concept is stuff goes on stuff stays there. Now the issues with Ramdrives, or even SSD is not the drive but the nice bottleneck windows has always and will always have until they change how kernels are handled which would end backwards compatibility in most cases. What occurs is more complicated then I can put here, but basically the SSD, the CPU and Ram all must work similar to be optimized, and solidstate while blazing fast is still controlled by the communications system of the board and buss system, Ram as well video cards will play a part in SSD exspecially in gaming. CT Since 2007 | |
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| 07-30-12 09:48am - 4528 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
How long to you think it will be before we see reliable, reasonably priced 1TB plus SSDs then, CT?  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 07-30-12 12:27pm - 4528 days | #10 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hi Capn, my guess it depends on the presidential elections on the big island here. Not to get all political, but China is having its share of difficulties and depending on which president gets in may decide future trade issues. In my own honest opinions machines like this are driven by games and gamers, a spread sheet creator or graphic artist may see some interest in speed of SSD, But reality is Ram and Video are key to frame rates and HD access time and make games more enjoyable. The easiest way to think about it is Ram, and Frame Rate via a video card CPU speed ( not video ram ), makes the difference. a SSD would only help in machines and games that exceeded the physical ram and virtual drives could access it faster. But its all about communication and even though SSD has the possibility to be 10x faster then its standard HD breather-in, I don't see SSD making a huge splash. I do predict that if China continues it trades in the way it has, SSD will flood the market and prices will drop rather quickly. And with that comes larger size. Did that help ? CT Since 2007 | |
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| 07-30-12 12:40pm - 4528 days | #11 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well,.......Sort of.  Are you sure you are not a politician?   Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 07-30-12 09:54pm - 4528 days | #12 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Large SSD drives are certainly important only for Gamers, but a small one for the OS and frequently used programs can be quite an improvement for one's quality of life. A hundred gigs will usually be plenty of room for the OS and most users normal programs, even with room for one or two games. My own rig has enough RAM and a fast enough processor to kill most computers out there - but it has standard 7200RPM HDDs, so its best boot time was in the 50 second range. Now after a year of use, it is closer to 2 minutes. A coworker's work rig, powerful but not impressive, is running an SSD, his boot time is 10 seconds, even to this day. For my father's laptop I found one with an SSD: it loads MS Word nearly instantly. Google Chrome it loads seemingly faster than instantly. I wouldn't put porn on an SSD until Cybertoad's prediction of cheap Chinese drives flooding the market, but for the system drive it would be foolish not too. And I wouldn't bother with a hybrid drive, get the real thing. Maybe a hybrid would be good for porn, but you want the extra speed for the OS. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 07-30-12 10:08pm - 4528 days | #13 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
How big are computer games these days Toadsith? I wouldn't imagine they would take up more than 10 gigs or so, in which case wouldn't 256 or something be plenty? I haven't bought a non-console game since Quake III (when I decided it was too expensive to keep the graphics card and crap up to date to bother anymore). I will by following hodya and CT's advice and getting a laptop with an optical DVD drive I can swap out, buy a 128 gig SSD (they are only like $100 now) and replace the DVD drive with the original HDD for storage. I think this will work well, and I never use the damn DVD drive anyways. Thanks to all for the advice. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-30-12 10:31pm - 4528 days | #14 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
10 GB per game is getting pretty common; for example Skyrim weighs in at near 13 GB. Even a somewhat older game like Call of Duty: World at War is 8 GB. Then you have to account for downloadable content, how big the save files are, mods, et cetera. Still, 256 GB is probably plenty for most casual gamers, but SSDs that size are at least $100 more, usually even more for the fastest drives. My point was if you are a very casual gamer, 128 GB is fine. If you are a slightly less casual gamer then 256 GB would probably do you just fine. A true gamer will probably want several dedicated SSD drives for their games. I used to be very into gaming but I consider myself quite the casual gamer these days and I have something like 20 games sitting around on the rig. It just isn't that hard to eat up space with games. Don't forget that you can't fill your drive up to the brim and have it work fast. You want plenty of free space to make it easy to defragment and also have lots of room for the OS's page file. 20% free space is good rule of thumb. A rule I frequently ignore and hence end up with slow-ass boot times. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 07-30-12 10:57pm - 4528 days | #15 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I was under the impression that defragging an SSD drive was not only pointless but potentially inducing unnecessary wear and tear on the drive? Perhaps I am mistaken, but I swear I read that somewhere. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-30-12 11:04pm - 4528 days | #16 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Good call. yes - Defragmenting is not needed, but the Page File is still a necessity in Windows 7. So you can probably fill up an SSD a bit more than a traditional disc HDD. The short lifespan and notorious DOA issues are another problem with SSDs, but presumably the latter is getting less and less frequent. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 07-30-12 11:42pm - 4528 days | #17 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Well, hopefully by the time it dies they will be much cheaper and I can upgrade to a bigger one! 128 should be enough as my current setup is 50 GB OS and programs, and about 20 GB of files I'd like quick access to, should leave plenty of PF. Thanks for the help, Toadsith. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-31-12 02:47am - 4527 days | #18 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Another bonus of a SSD is it uses less power than a spinning disc, handy if you use your laptop on battery a lot. I have a HP laptop that does in fact have 2 drive bays and was planning to jump to SSD. That was until I found out HP charge over $100 for a little mounting bracket and cables needed to fit the 2nd hard disk. Robbing bastards. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 07-31-12 09:42am - 4527 days | #19 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I'd look around for generics, there are lots of companies that make mounting brackets, if you have a somewhat popular laptop I susepect you should be able to find parts not made by HP. newmodeus seems pretty cheap too if you can't find it elsewhere. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-31-12 06:44pm - 4527 days | #20 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
on SSD's they are not mechanical devices so only the electronics use power. When idling most SSDs use less than 1W and often in the range of 0.1W, while normal 7200rpm HDDs use about 6-8W and the Green drives about 4-6W. When fully stressed, it may consume little over 1W, but still does not come close to anything regular 3.5" desktop drives consume. SSDs should never need any cooling. It should also be safe to use them in extreme temperatures; unlike HDDs which are extremely susceptible to temperature changes and diminishes their lifespan and aree prone at some point to fail. No standard harddrive lasts forever. So as that is being said how many are running to back up their pc LOLOL  Since 2007 | |
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| 08-11-12 12:07am - 4517 days | #21 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
You were totally right hodayathink, I haven't found a good caddy (cheap) for the optipcal bay for my computer since it is a slot load, but the SSD boot drive makes a huge difference. I can't think of anything that gets you a bigger bang for the buck out of computer experience. Wish I had done it sooner, thanks again for your advice. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-11-12 06:02am - 4516 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Hasn't flash memory been around for quite a few years, if not in quite the same forms as we are used to now? Super Nintendos uses cartridges to play and saves games, and that system was first sold in 1990-91. (I believe the original Nintendo, which is about ten years older, saves games the same way.) Now, since all game systems are disc-based, they use an internal HDD to save games. Would almost seem to be going backwards if SSDs are so hi-tech and cool, but it does help explain that there are still cost/space issues that make SSDs unattractive for a lot of people/companies. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-11-12 06:19am - 4516 days | #23 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Computer manufacturers always try and pull that use-only-our-parts-or-else! shit on consumers in an effort to squeeze out a few bucks (or a few hundred  ) for parts that could be bought elsewhere for much less money. Apple is notorious for the amount they charge for parts to upgrade/fix their computers, and that's not counting what their critics consider ripoff entry prices. Their "Apple memory," for example, is usually 3-5x what you would pay from other sellers, and they don't even offer the max RAM their machines are actually capable of using. And they're getting screwy with how they design their machines too. Their newest MacBook Pro laptop with the Retina display apparently has RAM that's soldered to the computer--as in permanently attached--and thus preventing an easy upgrade. I'm not picking on Apple here (I own a couple), but that's just one company, and one that's already making money by the truckload. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 08-11-12 06:22am - 4516 days | #24 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Also a good reason not to use your laptop to watch movies on DVD/Blu-Ray without a power cord. Great way to drain your battery.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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