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| 01-24-15 08:19am - 3620 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Alternative distribution model for censored porn Pat362 and I were commenting on the latest poll, and talking about how so many people seem to be able to recall a favorite video from the past that can't be found anywhere now. It would be great if there were a way to bring more older porn back, but the issue is that the owners are checked out from the industry and unreachable. While much older porn has simply been lost due to the passing of time, a good amount of porn both old and new has actively been censored by credit card processors. I'm not talking about stuff that is truly wrong and should be censored, I'm talking about stuff like person to person peeing, hardcore BDSM, you know, like 50 Shades of Gray stuff that just went a little far. Imagine if it could be brought back in a new distribution scheme that cuts the payment processors and maybe even the web hosting companies out of the loop. Payments through Bitcoin, and either licensing fees going to the content owners, or an up front purchase of the content. The fact that content was censored and then brought back could actually command a large premium over regular porn. Imagine the sales pitch - "Too hot for the 'net, payment processors say you can't watch it, but we say you can. Your favorite videos have been brought back to you by..." Who wouldn't want to sign up for one of the old sites from the wave of closures following the Max Hardcore investigation, like YellowDiscipline.com, or the original edgiest site on the 'net, SickPuppy.com, a site that was constantly under pressure from payment processors, and now seems to have caved. I'm not saying I'm actually ready to do this, it's one thing to have an idea, and another to make it happen. A lot of details would have to be worked out. I'm sure it would be labor intensive to implement a Bitcoin payment system. A third party age verification service that still likely relies on credit card would also have to be used. Content owners would probably react in a variety of ways. Some seemingly like to sweep it under the rug and hope it goes unnoticed when they are forced to remove content. But, the prospect of making money on that content again might make anyone think twice. Also, even the most unlikely of companies might consider participating. As an example, I once approached a large company known for fighting a daily battle of active copyright enforcement. I noticed that some content that I was looking for was missing, and they told me they couldn't offer it due to their content restrictions. Rather than stopping there, I requested a copyright waiver to legally acquire it from a third party, and gave me the okay. I wish I could say what company it was, because they deserve a good word, but I don't think they would want this advertised. Anyway, I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks. P.S. You guys may be curious to hear what happened with the plans I mentioned previously of possibly shooting some porn. It's on hold for now, until my wife gets comfortable with the idea of me working with porn models. I have to give her credit though, she's okay with me doing what I do, she does love porn, and as an experienced e-business owner, she is even thinking about starting her own web development business catering to the adult industry. So, we'll see how things play out. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 01-24-15 08:35am - 3620 days | #2 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
We'll allow a brief discussion of your idea but really, this is something better suited to a forum for webmasters. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 01-24-15 10:08am - 3620 days | #3 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Thanks Khan. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 01-24-15 10:38am - 3620 days | #4 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I'd definitely buy into a site that offered a good collection of older, remastered porn. I spent a lot of time and money rebuilding my collection of VHS tapes through VOD sites. | |
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| 01-24-15 12:39pm - 3620 days | #5 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
I wish there were more people like you who would buy videos or subscribe to a site that would remaster videos. You're not going to get remastered porn. It isn't worth the cost. There are a lot of videos and films that I keep an eye out for form sixties and seventies and when I find one, it shows its age. They don't remaster any of it. The more famous videos, like "Behind the Green Door" or "Deep Throat", but beyond that you would be disappointed. No one younger the fifty knows or remembers most of the classics that poured out in those decades, so they're not about to spend their money on remastered copies. I wish they would. They were best. Like I said, I have a small collection and it is sad the condition they are in. I should just let them go, but I have too many fond memories of my early years with porn to get rid of them. They are copies of copies that lose their sharpness with each new release. Even eighties and nineties are showing the same fatigue. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 01-24-15 04:29pm - 3619 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:32pm | |
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| 01-24-15 05:50pm - 3619 days | #7 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
I see what you are saying, but the whole idea behind this is to keep it legit. In this thread, I'm not talking so much about bringing back content without documentation. I think it might be possible to get the docs in some cases. I can name dozens of companies running sites right now that have removed some of their more edgy content. Of course, they deleted it from their sites, but I doubt they actually took the extra time to root through their records and get rid of the 2257's and model releases. Actually, they almost certainly would have kept them, in case any future legal questions arise. That's more the type of thing that I had in mind. It wouldn't stop there though. The ultimate goal would be to create a marketplace for the older content, one where people would be happy to pay a premium for content they thought was lost, and one that would maybe raise some eyebrows and entice some of the older players who left the industry to test the waters again and offer their content too. Anyway, it's just a dream now, but we will see. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Jan 24, 2015, 06:19pm | |
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| 02-13-15 09:32am - 3600 days | #8 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
One of the main reasons content creators use payment processors is because doing all that yourself requires an exhaustive web of accounts, compliance, and hoop jumping in multiple countries. There's bitcoin, sure, but the other huge advantage to credit card processors is that almost everyone has a credit card. Bitcoin by comparison is a highly unstable, pretty obscure option- it's also not known or used by most of the people who would be interested in buying the content. It'd be like trying to sell newspapers in New York, but only accepting Indian Rupees; sure there's some people who have Rupees, and sure, anyone can get them, but it's just another obstacle to a sale in a business with lots of obstacle-free competition. This is probably not a 100% kosher opinion, but I would say that pirated content hubs would offer the most convenient and complete repository of retired content (and in this instance aren't really infringing on any content creators). | |
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| 02-19-15 01:36pm - 3594 days | #9 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Thanks for such a forthright reply. This is what makes the PU forum great - you've got customers and industry insiders coming together. Here we've got a customer, me, trying to find ways to pay for stuff that many people pirate, and an insider who can sympathize with those who have to turn to tubes etc for retired content. Bitcoin does have its problems, but it is growing in popularity. I just opened a coinbase account recently, and it was simple enough for anyone to do it. I also read on xbiz.com that bitcoin now accounts for about 5% of paysite membership transactions and growing. Who knows, it may just continue to get easier to use bitcoin with a little more time. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 02-21-15 03:14am - 3592 days | #10 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I've lost a portion of the content on my sites over the years dues to credit card company restrictions. As most of you know, my sites are strictly softcore, but some of my hypnotism videos are now classed as "rape" (even though there was no sex at all in them, just girls playing pranks on each other which led to nudity) and distributing them would cause the instant withdrawal of all membership billing. The CCs are deemed so important to companies like Verotel & CCBill that they won't take any chances. It would be great if there was some alternative for stuff that's clearly not illegal, but falls outside what the CCs will tolerate. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 02-24-15 08:55am - 3589 days | #11 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
If it's a moral issue, you needn't worry too much about the tube sites; the big ones are mostly legit now, and act as 'affiliates' (third party promoters that link to the source paysite and receive a commission for any sales). Of course, it's not perfect, but mainly not piracy. | |
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| 02-24-15 06:23pm - 3588 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I'm sorry but you will never make me believe that. There is no way to sugar coat thievery. You are either stealing the content or you are not. Just because legitimate sites now have to deal with tube sites doesn't mean that they would not all be utterly thrilled to hear that all tube and torrent sites are dead regardless of the third party money no longer coming. Do you know why they would all be thrilled? The simple answer is because instead of getting only part of what they are owed. They would get all of it when people would have to join their site through their own portal as opposed to through the people who stole the content in the first place. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-24-15 06:47pm - 3588 days | #13 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
No denying that the overabundance of free content on tubes is the main factor in declining membership sales. At the same time, tubes are somewhat of a self-made problem for the industry. First webmasters bought traffic from TGP's and MGP's, and now it's tubes. The difference is that storage and bandwidth are so cheap now that tubes can and do host a glut of free content, and they are not policed well for copyright enforcement. I think AWPress is right that if you download a few videos that aren't for sale anymore from tubes it is probably a case of no harm no foul. At the same time though, many of the sites that have closed in recent years might still be around if not for piracy on the tubes. I would prefer a world without tubes, if it would have meant that a few more studios could have stayed open. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 03-01-15 09:29pm - 3583 days | #14 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Not that simple. The quality of most tube material is usually inferior. Also many major websites (Twistys, Mofos, Bang Bros, Brazzers, Reality Kings, etc.) use tubes to promote themselves with sample content in disguise so rather than pining over what tubes are doing, they are taking the opportunity to promote their sites using tubes. Those guys are staying up with the times, and quite well, in my opinion. | |
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