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| 10-11-13 03:08am - 4090 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Could 21 Ever Be The New Age To Start In Porn? Saw this short interview on Salon.com about Axel Braun declaring that he will now only work with performers 21 and over. He says he's not trying to change the industry but I doubt one director will have much of an effect anyway. There will always be countless people willing to shoot girls the second they become of legal age and no principled stand will ever change that. And frankly I don't think that most 18 year olds who were considering porn will necessarily "consider pursuing a higher education" instead. College has become insanely expensive and borrowing money for it is almost Kafkaesque in its absurdity. Hell, you could at least make some money in porn while being fucked in the ass, plus it would probably take less time to pay off porn's psychological wounds than it does to pay off college loans. I also don't buy the "three more years" argument of the greater maturity of 21 over 18. I was making plenty of bad decisions at 21 as I was at 18--and still am!  --and arbitrarily declaring a slightly older age as superior seems pointless once someone hits 18. (By the way, I find the 21 year old federal drinking age in the US very stupid as well.) Is there any age that someone could make a decision without regretting it later in life? It may be an interesting thought experiment, but if I was Axel I would not actually try this in real life. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-11-13 03:36am - 4090 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I applaud his decision but frankly it's not like he's a talent agency or even a production company. We are talking about one director who shoots the odd movie here and there. The fact that he now hires only performers that are 21 year old and older means that he will pick performers from an existing pool of talent that has women under 21. If Brazzer, Evil Angel, Reality King, BangBros, Digital Playground and other huge companies stopped hiring women under the age of 21 then we would see an actual impact. I'd be a lot happier if he came out and said that he would shoot condom only porn. I think preventing the transmitting of STD is a far better cause to support because it will affect far more people and it's a more visible thing. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-11-13 06:40am - 4090 days | #3 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
My first thought when I read that was that at least in porn there are some protections in place and were these same girls half as sexually active as they are making movies then one could assume that their STD exposure to be greater. With regard to the development of the brain, science has determined that the region responsible for things such as impulse control and moral judgment is the last to mature, sometime in the early 20s. Reference. Of course, as turboshaft pointed out, you're never too old to make a stupid choice. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-11-13 03:19pm - 4090 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
That's definitely the bigger concern at the moment, what with the AIDS scare and that nobody sees the legal age budging anytime soon. Interestingly the same website published an article a couple weeks ago from Nica Noelle, director and producer, co-founder of Sweet Sinner and Sweetheart Video. Granted Sweetheart is girl-girl but it's step in a new direction beyond "I have a clean test from __ days ago!" which becomes pretty meaningless after their first prophylactic-free session of bumping uglies. She has her reasons for being against condoms for so long herself; video sales and a latex allergy which was one of her worries when she was still a performer, albeit this condition is relatively rare compared to how many regularly contract treatable STDs. And all the clean bedsheets "straight from the washing machine" will do nothing to prevent STDs themselves. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-11-13 03:25pm - 4090 days | #5 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
My sense is that he's seen and thought about things that I have never experienced. What comes out in the interview isn't enough for me to really feel whatever impact he has felt in seeing "just legal" performers go through whatever they might go through. I don't think I understand his decision well enough to formulate an opinion about it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-11-13 05:58pm - 4090 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I applaud Nica's new position on condoms because it happens to be mine. The reason why I'm pro-condom is because I want performers to stay as STD free as is humanly possible considering the type of work they do but I must take her to task for her comments on allergic reaction and loss of revenue. These are probably the two most often used piece of anti-condom propaganda I've seen. I know that Nica is herself allergic to latex but there are condoms made of other material like polyurethane and I don't think she is allergic to that material so that argument is not a very good one. The other is even less because Wicked Picture is a condom only company and they have been for a very long time. They are still one of the few companies that offers contracts to performers, they still put out feature movies (these are more expensive to produce) on a regular basis and someone they do all of this and have condoms in all penetration scenes. Case in point for how successful Wicked is. They have now signed Asa Akira to a contract. If condoms were so bad for business then how come a company like Digital Playground who isn't pro-condom hasn't signed a new contract girl in a couple of years and they have pretty much flushed all of their existing ones? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-11-13 11:08pm - 4090 days | #7 | |
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Thedebilman666 (0)
Suspended  Posts: 144 Registered: Dec 08, '10 Location: NYC |
Nope, 18 is the standard, the way it is and the way it will always be.  6 pack bitches, deal with it | |
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| 10-12-13 06:15am - 4089 days | #8 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Condoms for penetration scenes only. I hate to say this but oral without protection is just as dangerous as intercourse for passing HIV - or Herpes or warts. So I'm confused as to why this was set as the standard. Why bother? Are their worse things than getting HIV? Back in the day (70s), genital herpes was the big scare because it's spreadable and non-curable STD though it wouldn't kill ya, just your sex life. But then apparently neither will HIV any more. You just can't work in the biz anymore except as a director. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 10-12-13 08:51am - 4089 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I agree that oral sex can lead to a person getting an STD. The risk is lower than it is for vaginal and a lot lower than for anal sex but you are correct that it's not without some risks. I think the reason why most people say to use a condom only for the penetration is because they are already having a hard time passing a law for vaginal and anal penetration that adding the oral part might make it much harder to pass. Of course there may come a time when it will also be added to oral sex but that's for the future. I think there are far worse things than HIV. Herpes is an incurable disease that will affect your life and could cause some issues if you decide to have children. HPV is a huge problem and since it may go undetected then it will cause long term health issues far worse than HIV. There's Hepatitis and I'm sure I could go on. I think we may all be very shocked the day we hear how bad STD infections are in the porn industry. I hear rumors and frankly it's bad so the truth I fear will be so much worse. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-14-13 06:41pm - 4087 days | #10 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
HIV is said to be spread via blood. A simple, small abrasion is all that's necessary to create an infection. I remember back when HIV was on the rise and people wanted nothing that put them in contact with another's blood. Blood banks especially took a big hit, as did other facilities dealing in the collection of blood. Knowing a barber uses the same razor to shave the backs of his customer's neck, I would always make it plain to pass me up on that part of the haircut. I often wonder why that fear in those days didn't still prevail .... I mean, northing's changed. The disease is just as virulent as ever. And worse, there's still no cure. | |
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| 10-14-13 11:01pm - 4087 days | #11 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Other bodily fluids can transmit it as well, but once outside the body the virus doesn't survive too well without a living host. I'd be more worried about having a straight razor near my neck rather than what, if anything, it's infected with (though I've never heard of a barber using an autoclave either, so make of that what you will).  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-31-13 04:54pm - 4070 days | #12 | |
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Carter (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 68 Registered: Oct 23, '13 Location: Canada |
at 21 a porn star should start thinking about retirement.. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/ | |
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| 10-31-13 05:40pm - 4070 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Girls in todays porn industry don't need to worry about that because most girls that start at 18 are also finished before they get to 19. Of course it's not any better if they start at 21 because they don't make it to 22 before they leave. The number of girls who started doing porn in the last 4 years and didn't make it beyond a year is staggering. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-01-13 11:30pm - 4069 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
The number of girls who have made only a handful of videos, some even just one, before fleeing towards a clothed profession is staggering. I'm betting it's a combination of starting too hard too early and simply not having any idea of what it's like to have sex, or more accurately perform it, in front of a camera and crew. I wonder what would happen if these young women had gone a more progressive route; i.e. nude, softcore, girl-boy, and then whatever the hell you call something like EverythingButt. Far be it for me to prejudge women I've never met in a job I've never tried, but I don't think most should start in the business the "Punch me in the stomach" Sasha Grey route. Neither should they attempt some Max Hardcore performance that seems to leave the majority of his co-performers in tears, if not genuine pain. It's one thing to watch and be turned on by an extreme scene, it's something entirely different to perform it. I look at porn like I look at extreme sports: fun to watch, not always so fun to attempt, and certainly not without a lot of less-than-sexy trial and error first. And I don't think someone is radically more sexually mature at 21 than they were at 18. Things like butt fucking, fisting, and watersports are all pretty intense for someone who's never actually experienced them, much less for an audience. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 11-02-13 01:13am - 4069 days | #15 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I would just point out (having family members in the salon industry) that any decent barber/stylist will clean or store their utensils in barbecide which is a strong disinfectant/antiviral solution, some even use autoclaves, thus the risk of getting an infection at a quality hair stylist is basically zero (likely not much different than getting it from hospital equipment). While in theory it may take just a cut and exposure to infected blood to acquire the infection, HIV has a very short life when exposed to air, thus the risk in most cases is very minimal. Just thought I would point this out so people aren't scared off of barbers, my lady loves when I get a straight razor shave, and at a reputable establishment (easy to tell, just watch what they do with their tools) there is no risk of exposure. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 11-02-13 08:03am - 4068 days | #16 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree with you that we would not see such a huge exodus of new talent if they had gone the slower path but the main reason why girls go the more hardcore route right away is because the other avenues aren't there anymore. The days when a girl could come into the industry and slowly build her portfolio by first doing softcore stuff, then adding some midcore work to it then getting into g/g and some vanilla b/g to finally arrive at the hardcore porn are over. Just look at which studios still hires girls on a regular basis and you'll see that softcore and midcore are almost all gone. All you now get to pick is which hardcore studio you will shoot with and worse which one will pay you the most for your first scene. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-02-13 03:38pm - 4068 days | #17 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
And yet with all of our wonderful sterilization technology and freedom-loving private healthcare facilities one of the main reasons for infections in hospitals is simply not washing hands.  Kind of an insane risk when dealing with the human body through surgery.
I hope she understands that we love it when they shave as well! (Though probably not from a barber.)  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 11-03-13 01:28am - 4067 days | #18 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I like a hint of fur, she kindly obliges - at least in the summer  I don't understand people that don't wash their hands in the bathroom, I don't care how "clean" you think you are, I don't want to shake hands with your junk. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 11-03-13 10:58am - 4067 days | #19 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It's been my displeasure to see more than one person in my work life walk into a washroom, wash his hands, take a piss and then walk out without washing his hands. Who exactly does that? I can understand wanting to wash your hands prior to doing a number 1 or number 2 but why would you not think that it's a good thing to wash them afterwards? It makes it sort of hard to shake hands with these people because you know where those hands were prior to shaking your own. Not to mention that those same hands will probably wind up in the guy's nose, mouth and eyes during the day. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-03-13 11:50pm - 4067 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It isn't so much after the bathroom as before touching something or someone that could be vulnerable. For example, a sterile instrument could no longer be considered sterile if you touched it with bare hands. And though shaking "hands with your junk" may sound unclean there are plenty of invisible nasties on doorknobs, phones, and computers, without getting a penis anywhere near them, especially in a hospital where we've successfully bred supergerms through our over-enthusiastic use of antibiotics. And don't let the "super" in the name fool you, they are quite bad.  As a somewhat germaphobic person myself, I don't think I could ever work sanely in a hospital--I'd be spending all my time incinerating and boiling things! Of course on a porn set I'd probably be too horny to care...  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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