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01-21-23  11:33am - 607 days #4
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I don't know how Only fans says so profitable for these people, they take 40% of all their sales. I guess it's because they own/control the content. Much to be said for creative control too. Plus the choice of who to work with, the shit going on behind the scenes with people lying about tests and new strains of stds going around. Guess I answered my own question lol Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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01-18-23  08:55am - 610 days Original Post - #1
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I just had to leave a warning here on the forums because there is no site review to be found anywhere on the net for this site. Site is a huge rip off, period, end of story. I joined for the Chloe Temple Scene. The Videos have a very misleading download link button under the video scene but all that downloads is a 2 minute scene preview. PLUS the scene will only stream in 720p, nothing higher. Chloe is as hot as I've ever seen her and that male "talent" can't even stay hard for her. Site was such a HUGE disappointment, haven't been burnt by a site this bad I think ever! AVOID THIS SITE! Shit content isn't even worth finding pirate bootlegs of. It's like all those notorious big "blockbuster" summer movie commercials, all the best parts are in the commercial and the movie sucks lmfao the perfect analogy in a nutshell. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:48am - 635 days Original Post - #1
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SAN DIEGO—The Federal Bureau of Investigation announced Friday morning that GirlsDoPorn founder Michael Pratt, who was placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list in September, was arrested earlier this week by authorities in Spain. Pratt had been on the run since trial proceedings against him for sex trafficking and other felonies began in late summer 2019.

According to the FBI's announcement, "Pratt was arrested by Spanish National Police on December 21, 2022, in Madrid, Spain, pursuant to an Interpol Red Notice. A Red Notice is a request to law enforcement worldwide to locate and provisionally arrest a person pending extradition, surrender, or similar legal action. Pratt is being held in Spain pending extradition."

“The capture of Michael Pratt is an example of how the FBI will pursue justice beyond U.S. borders—you can run but you can’t hide,” said Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Stacey Moy of the FBI San Diego Field Office. “Thank you to our determined FBI San Diego Human Trafficking Task Force and to our federal and international partners for their commitment to making sure that Michael Pratt is brought to justice.”

The FBI also noted that Pratt was the 529th person to be placed on its Ten Most Wanted list, which was established in 1950. Additional information concerning Pratt and the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives can be found on the FBI’s website at fbi.gov/topten. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:47am - 635 days #5
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Questions remain
It’s easy to understand why people would seek to downplay their connection to a young woman who lived and died under these circumstances. And it cannot be ignored that the ‘party line’ that Rain had swapped her old friends for new ones in hopes of a mainstream career serves to deflect negative attention from Motley Models and its roster – and protecting his roster is one of Dave Rock’s jobs.

Likewise, the rumor that Rain had died from fentanyl poisoning, a drug that can be fatal even in very small doses, serves the narrative that Rain was not a big partier, and that her death was unforeseeable.

Although her cause of death is now known, and more details about her life and death are available, many questions remain about Violet Rain’s time in Los Angeles, and concerning her final weeks on earth. We will endeavor to address as many of these as possible in the part two of this report.



Sadly there has been no part two written to date. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:43am - 635 days #4
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Nicole recalls that after AEE, Violet went to Hawaii to shoot for ATKGirlfriends in Hawaii. When she returned, she suggested that Allie move into the 2nd bedroom in her NoHo apartment.

“She was the first one to introduce me to promoters,” Nicole said. “We went [clubbing] all the time.”

Nicole describes Violet as a secretive young woman. “She didn’t talk about her family, and they didn’t know she was in porn until she passed.”

Friend Melody Parker stated that “when she passed away some guy hit me up and said he was [ ] her boyfriend back home but I had no clue; she never told me about [him]. She went on a few dates, met some sugar daddies and one industry guy she had a crush on, but [I’d] never heard of the guy until she died.”

The boyfriend is identified only as “Steven” on the page for the GoFundMe campaign.

Allie Nicole soon realized that Violet was self-medicating. “She suffered from bipolar depression, but she didn’t want to take meds,” Nicole said. “She didn’t feel okay until she was fucked up.”

Having been introduced to the Hollywood club scene, Rain surrounded herself with a circle of friends who made drugs readily available.

“Sometimes, people don’t know how to say no,” Nicole added.

Promoters
It was through Geoff Hobson that Rain met a group of Hollywood “club promoters”, starting with J.R..

“The club promoters were all shady; that’s where things really went wrong” Parker said. They were predominantly “guys who lived in a 2 or 3-bedroom apartment in Hollywood with four other dudes,” said another friend of Rain’s. The whole scene was seedy, but the promoters provided access to clubs like 1OAK and AOD [Ace of Diamonds].

Rain became a fixture on the L.A. club circuit, and in January 2019 Rain decided to jump ship to a different group of Hollywood club guys.

“A new club promoter reached out to her and she liked him better,” Parker explained. “His name’s Zeke.”

”Zeke wasn’t very good to her,” said Parker, “but she didn’t know any better.”

“I didn’t club that often,” Parker said. “When I would, I would go with Violet and her promoter. I felt like I kept her safe.

Parker added that Rain “had a fake ID from the promoter [Zeke]. It looked just like her.”

“He liked her a lot, always offered her rides when she was blackout drunk; always wanted to take her to the after parties. He always tried to take advantage.

“When she was sober — or more sober — when we first would arrive, you could tell she wasn’t into him, and by the time he got her drunk enough or she had enough coke in her system he’d pursue her. It was gross to watch.”

An illusory change
Confirmed reports of Violet Rain’s death began appearing online on March 15. The main source information for adult news media was Dave Rock. The LAPD detective also contacted Gustavo Turner at XBIZ, but since he, like Rock, almost certainly was not in attendance at the hospital when Rain expired, his source was likely the same party who informed Rock.

In any event, Rock got the date wrong. Violet had not passed on the morning of March 15 but on March 13, the county coroner now confirms.

“The decedent was pronounced brain dead by Dr. Brooks soon 03/13/2019 at 1744 hours. The decedent was pronounced brain dead for the second time by Dr. Liu on 03/13/2019 at 2013 hours.”

This explains why the GoFundMe set up for Rain’s funeral expenses was posted on March 14, when the AVN and XBIZ reports still had her alive.

The text accompanying the GoFundMe drive read, in part:

She was dropped off on the curb of the hospital dead and sexually assaulted. She was revived twice And was put on life support for the past week and has passed away.

Turner’s XBIZ report unintentionally cemented the narrative which has prevailed since Rain’s death: that her demise was the byproduct of a sudden lifestyle change which began after the AVN Adult Entrainment Expo.

“Rain’s social media show her adopting a sophisticated nightlife persona in the weeks preceding her death,” Turner wrote at XBIZ, “with selfies at club bathrooms showing her as a fashionable young woman about town.”

“Why didn’t I say anything to Drake’s dad when I had the chance?” Rain Tweeted on March 2 at 6:30 p.m. “Someone help me stop being so shy. I was in the same room as him for at least two hours.” Dennis Graham, father of superstar Drake, was indeed out and about in Los Angeles that week promoting his upcoming album. He was photographed at some fashionable Hollywood nightlife spots, which is presumably where Rain spotted him.

“She was close to some girls from her agency [Motley Models] until late January,” said a person close to Rain. “But after she came back from Vegas she spoke more about doing mainstream modeling and music videos, and was hanging out with a party crowd of Soundcloud rappers, Instagram models and promoters. She stopped hanging out with her former industry friends, basically.”

However, like much of what we have been told about Violet Rain’s final months in Los Angeles, the assertion that Rain had suddenly “changed friends” is not supported by the evidence.

While it is true that by February Violet was no longer in day-to-day contact with the performers who resided at Hobson’s model house, she had gone apartment hunting with Melody Parker and after invited Parker and her boyfriend to come see her new place.

And Rain was almost certainly still partying with at least two other girls she had come to know in the months previous: Emily Willis and Zoe Bloom. Like Rain, both Willis and Bloom were signed to Motley Models’ roster, (and, like Rain, were also under the legal drinking age of 21 years old when they partied together).

In addition, according to sources who were close to Rain, she was not so much eschewing porn shoots as she was becoming harder to book.

“She would get so fucked up, and get sick for two or three days,” Allie Nicole said. “Then she would come up with lies about why she couldn’t shoot.”

Nicole remembers that Rain had been booked to shoot for Blacked, but her agent later called to say that upon further consideration, “They don’t want you.” Both women suspected that the cancelation was due to Rain’s reputation as an unreliable “party girl.”

After that, Nicole said, Rain lost her some of the zest for her career and a sense of resignation set in. “She never voiced it — ‘I don’t want to shoot anymore’ — but she wasn’t the same.”

The party train rolled on. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:42am - 635 days #3
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She had a death look
Nicole noted several abrasions and lacerations on her friend’s head, as if she had been in convulsions, banging her head on the ground. And she had been raped, vaginally and anally.

The man who carried her in to the hospital was Eddie. She was wearing a pair of men’s sweatpants several sizes too large for her frame.

According to Nicole, when he was interviewed at the hospital, Eddie’s story was that he had found Rain in the road on 4th Street, naked, and drove her to the hospital.

The Investigator’s Report attached to the Autopsy Report contains the following note:

The passerby reported finding the decedent unresponsive and shaking on the sidewalk, She was admitted to the emergency room pulseless and apneic [not breathing]. . . . Vomitus was noted to her mouth. . . .

I spoke to Detective Meza #27325 from the Los Angeles Police Department Hollenbeck over the phone on 03/20/2019. and he provided me the following information. He stated that the “passerby” that dropped off the decedent at the hospital knew the decedent.

It is a strange coincidence indeed that a woman he knew, and who was last seen with him, just so happened to pop up naked in the road in front of him while he was out driving in the pre-dawn hours.

Although the police say that Rain’s phone was never recovered, Nicole says that Eddie admitted to her that he had the phone. This would explain how he, and the hospital, obtained Nicole’s phone number.

Time bomb
Rain was one of the more responsible young ladies at Hobbs House, and had a valid driver’s license, so she would often be asked to drive the other Hobbs House models around. Parker recalls Rain driving “the few [models] she got along with, but they constantly fell out.”

She adds that Rain and troubled performer Meggan Malone “were close-ish” and that she was friends with “Zoe [Bloom].”

Another source, who met Rain though Hobson, was more blunt: “They would have Violet drive the cokeheads around.”

The source added that Rain even missed some of her own appointments because she was busy driving girls all around town.

“She was being taken advantage of.”

“Every girl at Hobbs House, it doesn’t matter if they’re under age, they all want to go out,” said a source who was friendly with Rain. “You’re 19 or 20, you’re in L.A., what do you want to do? You want to go clubbing. With all those girls at the house, and all the underage clubbing, it’s crazy there and it’s like a time bomb. Someone’s going to die, someone’s going to overdose. Something’s going to happen.”

The source, who visited Violet at her RV on Hobson’s property, added “Violet was ‘stacking her money’. She wanted to get her own place because living there was just crazy.”

Eventually Violet met one of J.R.’s competitor club promoters, identified as Adam Glove. One woman familiar with both Rain and Glove said, “from what I heard she was dating him.” (Glove, real name Glovsky, was then 38 years old.)

Secrets
Adult performer Allie Nicole immediately hit it off with Rain when the two shared a room at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino during AEE in January 2019. “She was a kind person that literally anybody could talk to,” Nicole said. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:33am - 635 days #2
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A wilderness of error
First off, Violet Rain was not “dumped” at an emergency room on the morning after she went out clubbing.

After she was last seen at Nightingale Plaza on Los Angeles on Sunday night/Monday morning, Rain went MIA for a couple of days before she was carried in to Adventist Health White Memorial Hospital wearing clothing not her own.

After leaving the nightclub in the early hours of Monday March 4, she had been in communication with at least one person, and had come home to get a change of clothes before going out again. The site of her overdose remains unknown.

Second, while it is not known whether she was actually “turned away” from the hospital as reported, the credibility of at least one source regarding Rain’s demise — identified as 19-year-old starlet Layla Love — has come into question.

One of the most credible sources of information was, and remains, Rain’s roommate, fellow performer Allie Nicole. It was Ms Nicole who was contacted to come to the hospital to identify Rain, who had been admitted to the ICU as a ‘Jane Doe’ because no one knew her legal name.

“Layla wasn’t present and frankly didn’t like Violet. and since she passed has completely flipped and said they were close and she was involved, which isn’t true,” Nicole told MikeSouth.com. She added that Layla only met Violet “a couple times when I was moving my things out of the house Layla and I lived in together.”

“So many people talk out of their asses about Violet, which is why no one knows what actually happened”

Ms Nicole visited the unconscious Rain at the hospital, and spoke to her doctors and the police, both before the time Rain’s family arrived from Arizona on Wednesday, and after.

Lastly, Roberts’ assertion that Rain “was not partying with anyone in the porn industry” at the club on Sunday night or when she O.D.’d also reflects that fact that she was being misled, intentionally or otherwise.

Allie Nicole accompanied Rain to Nightingale Plaza that night, and several people who were close to Rain and her club friends have remained firm in their conviction that she partied with at last one other adult performer between the time she left Nightingale Plaza and her death.

A bad vibe
At Nightingale Plaza, Rain and Nicole had indeed hung out with, as Roberts and others correctly noted, some “YouTubers and one of those SoundCloud Rappers along with the club promoter who was the one who helped her get the fake ID to get into the club in the first place.”

Nicole told MikeSouth.com that Rain introduced her to this promoter, whom police documents identify as Eddie [last name withheld for now], at the club that Sunday night.

“I got a bad feeling from him, a bad vibe,” Nicole said.

Contrary to this site’s earlier report that Violet was likely “given [ ] bad drugs, passed out [at] the club where someone (3 or 4 people) picked her up and dropped her off at the hospital”, in actuality Rain went to an after-party with Eddie, the YouTubers and rappers at closing time.

Allie Nicole was not interested in joining them, she said, and her impression is that Rain “rode to the after party with Eddie, or they all rode together.”

Instead, Nicole went home to the apartment they shared in North Hollywood, and texted with her roommate before going to bed.

Other than viewing her unconscious body days later in the ICU, “that was the last time that I saw Violet.”

“Is Violet okay?”
Allie Nicole said that Rain called her on Monday. They exchanged text messages, and while Nicole was out, Rain came home to change clothes before leaving again.

Rain did not return that day, and then texted Nicole to ask her to grab a skirt for her and place it in an Uber that she was sending to their apartment. However the Uber was canceled, and Rain never got the skirt.

Nicole also recalled receiving a sequence of calls from an unfamiliar phone number while her roommate was still missing. When she answered, it was Eddie the promoter calling to ask whether she had heard from Rain: “Is Violet okay”?

Those familiar with the 19th century murder ballad “Ommie Wise”, about a scoundrel named John Lewis who schemes to meet his flame (who’d had the audacity to get pregnant) and then drowns her, may recall the verse in which he attempts to deflect suspicion:

He threw her arms from round him, and into the water she fall
Then he turned around and rode back to Adams’s Hall.
He went asking for Ommie, they said, “She’s not home.
She’s off to some neighbors, been gone awful long!”

Some time later, Nicole received a phone call from the hospital asking her to come down and identify the Jane Doe who had been admitted.

A urine screen popped positive for cocaine, and her alcohol level was a normal-to-high 57mg/dl, or 0.57 blood alcohol concentration (0.8 is the legal limit).

Nicole revealed that doctors at the hospital disclosed that Rain had been seizing for over 14 hours, “and that even if she regained consciousness, she would never be the same.” Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-24-22  09:30am - 635 days Original Post - #1
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The March 2019 death of adult film performer Violet Rain in Los Angeles led to an avalanche of speculation within the world of X. The allure of a comforting narrative is strong, and with her official cause of death still unknown, rumors spread that the 19-year-old had fallen victim to fentanyl-laced narcotics, at a time when a sudden ”lifestyle change” had alienated her from her support system of adult industry friends.

In the wake of her death, many of those close to Rain remained silent, hoping that the scandal and sadness surrounding her death would be laid to rest with her, and that Violet could be remembered as a beautiful young woman, a kind person and a loyal friend.

Call it misinformation or disinformation, or perhaps opportunism, but much of what we have been told about Rain’s death, as well as her final days and weeks, is wrong. And the people who killed her remain at large.

In this report, many of Rain’s friends speak publicly about her life and death for the first time.

Cause of Death
According to the report filed by Los Angeles County Deputy Medical Examiner Dr. Paul Gliniecki, Violet Rain’s cause of death was anoxic encephalopathy due to the combined effects of cocaine, alcohol (ethanol) “and other undetermined factors”.

Anoxic encephalopathy, or hypoxic-ischemic brain injury, is a result of decreased oxygen delivery to the brain. It commonly results from poisoning (including drug overdose). Many patients who suffer anoxic brain injury expire without regaining full consciousness.

While ‘Cause of Death’ denotes the specific injury or disease that lead to the death, ‘Manner of Death’ represents the determination of how the injury or disease led to death.

Rain’s Death Certificate lists her Manner of Death as “Undetermined”. This classification is relatively rare, as it is the job of the Medical Examiner to determine how the person died.

Deaths involving poisoning are often classified as undetermined, as the designation is most often employed in cases that have little available information about the circumstances surrounding the death, or where known information equally supports, or conflicts with, more than one manner of death.

Missing pieces
Even after lengthy investigation, the figure of Violet Rain that emerges is one of a secretive and enigmatic persona.

She was born Jazmine Nicole Dominguez on July 2, 1999, and was raised in the Arizona’s Phoenix valley. A knowledgable source informs MikeSouth.com that her mother struggled with drug addiction, and she was raised by her grandmother.

Rain’s interest in modeling dated back to her childhood, as this heartbreaking blog from 2010 demonstrates.

The text accompanying the GoFundMe dedicated to raising funds for her funeral notes that Rain had “moved to Los Angeles to pursue modeling less than a year ago.”

It continues, “unfortunately, she got involved with a toxic friend group full of low life promoters and people taking advantage of her kindness and controlling her in the night life industry.”

The mystery surrounding her demise has been compounded by the amount of false information that was disseminated starting with the announcement of her hospitalization, which was first reported on March 8. While we now have many more details, the story of Rain’s final days nonetheless remains something of a riddle.

Since March 8, the official story has been that Violet went out clubbing on Sunday night, March 3, and was “dumped” at the emergency room of Adventist Health White Memorial Hospital in East Los Angeles the following morning.

Initial news and gossip site reports were conflicting, with our own Kelli Roberts erroneously reporting Rain’s death on March 8, while she was still on life support. Roberts was also led to believe that Rain had not been sexually assaulted.

The final news reports regarding Rain’s condition came on March 15, and erroneously stated that the young model had died that morning. In actuality, she had passed away on March 13.

The source of much of the information published by the adult trade mags, AVN and XBIZ, as well as the blogs, was Dave Rock of Motley Models, the agency to which Rain had been signed.

For instance, in her MikeSouth.com report, Kelli Roberts wrote that Rain “was not partying with anyone in the porn industry at the time [of her overdose]; that it was “rumored she OD’d on cocaine laced with fentanyl. . . a synthetic opioid that is up to 50 times more potent than heroin”. Roberts added in the comments, “I spoke to Dave from Motley [Models] and his only source was a girl who knew a girl that was at the hospital and got turned away because she’s not family.”

All of the published reports, including those by the adult trade mags, AVN and XBIZ, indicate that Rain’s agent Dave Rock was the source of much of the information regarding the circumstances surrounding Rain’s death.

And, our investigation indicates that much of that information is wrong. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-18-22  05:12am - 732 days #5
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povr and sex like real for sure Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-14-22  02:21pm - 736 days #3
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Yeah OF did change the adult scene, I think for the better. I like being able to join a favorite models page and seeing just them vs joining a site/network and having just a couple scenes. I hate this credit card problem, I mean really, honestly where the hell do they get off telling their customers what they can and can't spend their money on?
I wish more sites would use paypal as a wall to keep the transactions private. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-07-22  07:19pm - 743 days #2
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Number 7 is the biggest issue for me. It's flat out greed that they charge $50 for one completely vanilla scene. Now having said that I must point out that this does not include custom made scenes that are specially made for individual customers. This also does not include specialty niche/kink videos. Some of those scenes are very rough (in some cases fucking brutal) on their bodies and I can see them charging premium prices for them. But for everyday completely ordinary scenes oh hell no. I am a huge believer in paying for my porn and it is this practice right here that makes formerly happy to pay customers resort to bootleg sites. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Edited on Sep 07, 2022, 07:29pm

09-07-22  06:53pm - 743 days Original Post - #1
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I asked this a couple years ago but it's worth re-asking every so often lol.

For me:

Current Discoveries:
1. Liz Jordan
2. Reese Robbins
3. Coco lovelock
4. Valerica Steele
5. Remy Jones/Hazel Heart (real life couple)
6. Allie Addison
7. Adalind Gray
8. Tucker Stevens
9. Leana Lovings
10. Honey Hayes
11. Binky Beaz
12. Anna May (Mae?)
13. Lily Bell
14. Molly Little
15. Kylie Rocket
16. Violet Rain (Heart broke at her passing)
17. Scarlet Skies
18. Tristan Summers
19. Thalia Diaz
20. Jane Rogers
21. Alonha Bloom
22. Clara Trinity
23. Destiny Cruz
24. Mia Kay
25. Dixie Lynn.

Currant favorites: (not in any order except #1)
1. The GODDESS CHLOE TEMPLE I think she's replaced GAUGE as my all time #1
2. Liz Jordan
3. Katie Kush
4. Lily Rader
5. Lily Adams
6. Macy Meadows
7. Kenzie Reeves
8. Gina Gerson
9. Crystal Rush
10. Cory Chase
11. Jericha Jem
12. Daphne Dare
13. Athena Faris
14. Carolina Sweets
15. Cadey Mercury
16. Baily Brooke
17. Jade Jantzen
18. Jessie Saint
19. Eliza Ibarra
20. Jenna J Ross
21. Lulu Chu
22. Vina Sky
23. Hime Marie
24. Aria Banks
25. Zoe Parker (RIP)
26. Dakota Skye (RIP)
27. Dillion Harper
28. Elsa Jean
29. Lexi Lore
30. Ziggy Star

All Time Favorites (Again no order except #1)
1. Gauge
2. Cherry Potter
3. Christine Young
4. Asia Carrera
5. Megan Rain
6. Tanner Mays
7. Kylie Wylde
8. Remy La Croix
9. Kobi Tai
10. Keanni Lei
11. Tiana Lynn
12. Lilo
13. Satomi
14. Goldie Otiz (Glock)
15. Lily Thai
16. Kitty
17. Chloe Nichole
18. Lucy Doll (Until she speaks)
19. Rosalyn Sphinx
20. Patricia Petite Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Edited on Sep 07, 2022, 07:32pm

09-07-22  04:42pm - 743 days Original Post - #1
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Was looking through some potential sites today and kept running into some of the most annoying problems that are sadly very common.

1. NO TOUR just a couple pictures and every button goes to the sign-up page

2. UNCREDITED MODELS this is a HUGE negative for me. I was on clips4sale today and this site had mega stars that were shockingly uncredited, Stars like Chloe Temple, Carolina Sweets, Jade Jantzen, and Lily Adams. CREDIT THE MODELS SO THEIR FANS CAN FIND THE SCENES AND BUY THEM MORONS!!!

3. TWO GIRLS IN THE MODEL PICTURE WITH ONE NAME This is just laziness on the webmasters part.

4. ODDBALL BILLING PROCESSORS OR CRYPTO I don't care how hot a site is if it's a unknown or untrusted biller it's a nope for me.

5. RECYCLING SCENES This is outright fraud in my book, Posting old scenes to look like the site is still updating.

6.REFORMATTING/ENLARGING OLD SCENES AND CALLING THEM HD. This practice is frustrating because it makes the footage look horrible.

7. OUTRAGOUSLY HIGH PRICES FOR MEMBERSHIPS/CLIPS Having mentioned clip4sale, some of their sites charge crazy insanely high prices for just stereotypical vanilla mediocre or just flat out crap scenes.

This list is an invitation for discussion, please share your thoughts or add to the list.

(Note: I intentionally did not name sites. We all can name dozens or even hundreds of sites that do these things) Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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A simple google search (Isabel Moon Beastuality) brings up a lot of pics that lead to the video. As I said above it is not recommended because she is most definitely underage in that video. All I've ever seen of the video is 30-90 second clips, I never found the full video of it and stopped looking when I saw her full screen, man she can't be more than 16 tops in that video. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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A simple google search (Isabel Moon Beastuality) brings up a lot of pics that lead to the video. As I said above it is not recommended because she is most definitely underage in that video. All I've ever seen of the video is 30-90 second clips, I never found the full video of it and stopped looking when I saw her full screen, man she can't be more than 16 tops in that video. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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08-04-22  05:44am - 777 days #2
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Interesting, after giving it some thought, my top five:

1. Gauge
2. Chloe Temple
3. Asia Carrera
4. Carolina Sweets
5. Gina Gerson
6. Jenna J Ross
7. Eliza Ibarra
8. Crystal Rush
9. Veronica Rodriguez
10. Dillion Harper Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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08-04-22  05:33am - 777 days #3
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I wish your no. 4 Foxy di would've done something with her (twin?) sister Elenore/Sinovia, just a photo shoot or something, nothing hardcore.

I'm surprised with all the euro babes listed that Lilo or Sunny Rise or even the ageless wonder Gina Gerson (she's just yummy!!!) didn't make your list, but a really nice list all the same! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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08-03-22  04:02pm - 778 days Original Post - #1
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Admins I apologize if this is forbidden but I have no other way to share the pictures other than post a link to another forum that allows pictures to be posted that I asked for help in also. I know tubesite links are not allowed so options are limited.

I pay for my xxx to support all involved and would love to find the site to join or the store to buy.

https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/identify-...e-robbins-video-site Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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04-11-22  05:40am - 892 days #21
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I just got the one year booster as I too am fifty. The first two didn't do anything to me except a real sore arm for about 12 hours the second shot. The booster (All shots were pfeizer) made me so bad sick for a couple days and oh man did my arm hurt bad for about 3 days!! Still it's worth it. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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03-26-22  02:30pm - 908 days Original Post - #1
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Just saw a couple of new scenes with the scrumptious little pop tart Sadie Pop on the tug pass network. Edge Queens and shady spa are the sites she's on. Surprisingly she has got a breast augmentation done, she went with the triple d's and they just look just massive on her tiny frame. Do not get me wrong, she looks great and as beautiful as ever. Hopefully she films with more studios instead of just her fans site. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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02-05-22  07:37am - 957 days #6
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I would recommend a membership, I really think they are purchase worthy lol. I spoke to a cable guy after I wrote that post and he and a crew were going through each and every cable box at my apartment complex because there was apparently "a whole lot of static in our lines" what ever the hell that means lol. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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02-04-22  07:46pm - 958 days #4
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I'm not going to get into a full review here but will try to answer your questions. Very wide variety of models in both ethnic and body types. Lots of sites included with membership (just a heads up, the addin sites are long dead and are no longer updating). Video quality is pretty good and most of the newer stuff is available in 4k but to be able to download 4k you need to upgrade your membership. I haven't unzipped any of the photo sets yet so I can't comment on them. My two favorite sites are the bang bus and my dirty maid. Also just recently they added a vr channel if your interested in that type of video. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Pinkerton: Well there's always exceptions lol. I looked her up and man she is a goddess!

pat362: I disagree on that. Imho laughter is a very powerful medicine and this whole situation has spun so ridiculously out of control what else can we do but laugh at it?! South Park has come out with a two part mini movie the brilliantly pokes fun at this subject with absolutely no malice or sarcasm which is a stunning turn of events coming from them lol. It gets a bit frightening when they go into the future though, to think this could go on for twenty or more years........

One thing that wasn't funny was them making fun of school shootings. How that made it to air is mind boggling Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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01-12-22  05:53am - 981 days #15
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This being vaccinated is beyond insane anymore. I do apartment maintenance so I went and took the needle just because I come into contact with so many people every day. I lost a few (6) residents last month and had more get super bad sick AND THEY WERE ALL VACCINATED!!!! My niece is a RN and she said 2 of every five deaths were vaccinated so we are pretty fucking close to 50/50. My experience with it is it is pretty much useless. It's the same with unvaccinated people, some don't get it, some get it mildly, others get it severely and some die from it. It's worse now than it ever was before and nobody is really mentioning it anymore. No shut downs no quarantining just keep on keeping on. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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This interview was hands down the stupidest thig I've read in a long time. She claims she watched so much porn, Where were her parents? Nobody made her watch it. She then body shames the pornstars only because of her own body insecurities. "nobody looks like that" yet they do and it's on film lol. The gall of this stupid girl is amazing. I wonder if she ever gets a wiff of the shit coming out of her mouth?? Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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I wasn’t impressed with the Xnxx gold. Yeah you have access to a lot of full length videos but the downloads of them are extremely low quality. Wasn’t expecting much for $9.99 a month lol Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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12-20-21  10:41am - 1004 days Original Post - #1
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I know porn users and Rabbits have decided not to do business with them anymore so admin’s feel free to delete this If it violates anything.

Is anybody else here a member of bang bros? My downloads from this side are crazy slow, I’m lucky if I manage 600kbs or 700kbs. It’s just this site only as I’m a member of a couple other sites at the moment and all their downloads are just fine.

Happy holidays to you all! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-26-21  11:09am - 1059 days #4
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It's an older scene but at least it was before she got those ridiculous fff implants. she looked great with the respectable c cups Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-26-21  11:03am - 1059 days #3
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thank you for sharing this!!!! she's an all time favorite of mine Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-21-21  06:47am - 1064 days #11
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I just want to point out that I am not passing judgement on Ms. Moon. Everybody makes mistakes and nobody but her knows the circumstances behind what happened. From what I've read about this scandal is that guy has either forced tricked or flat out drugged these girls to get his content. She is still one of my all time favorite models and always will be. Like I said above, she was Extremely young in this clip and am sure she was underage in it. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-21-21  06:38am - 1064 days #3
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Thank you for the info Sir. Great to hear from you again. Thank you for also pointing out a possible archive site, I'm very leery on joining this site as some of those girls look extremely young, possibly under age. I like tiny petite girls like sadie pop and piper perry but dam some of those girls look 15 and I do not like that shit. I just wanted the scenes of a group of Latina camgirls tearing each other up with double dildos. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-19-21  05:12pm - 1066 days Original Post - #1
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Have any of you guys heard of a website called sinsofteens.com? It looks like a all camgirl site from various cam services but I googled it and can't find even one review of the site. They use verotel payment processor which again I've never heard of for a one time (non-recurring) $26 for one month. Just curious to see if anyone has joined it and what your experience was. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-13-21  11:32am - 1072 days #10
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I just found another clip for this video this morning and it showed her full view. I have been a fan of hers from day one and I must say this to anyone who has the full clip, DELETE IT! She is most definitely VERY underage in that video, 16 tops. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-09-21  07:05am - 1076 days #4
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I use nero recode. it will do what your asking and more. You can custom convert to specific devices while adjusting the file output size too.

If it lags your pc down while converting you can also lower the "priority" to ease the strain on your cpu. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-05-21  06:47am - 1080 days #46
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I just wanted to say I've joined bang bro several times and did so again a couple months ago. No shady billing and canceled no problem. I have a brand new dell pc and comcast/xfinity business class speed internet and had no problem streaming or downloading. They even use paypal/epoch now to. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-05-21  06:33am - 1080 days #5
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Yeah agreed, that or a one and done model from a long dead site. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-03-21  04:19pm - 1082 days #3
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Thank you Sir for taking the time to look at the pictures. I've never seen her before and I've been a avid porn watcher since the mid 80's lol. All the tube sites at the time that had the video up had it under "girl five massage highlights" Can't even find the video any more to check the comments. A lot of the time a fan will post their name. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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10-02-21  01:41pm - 1083 days Original Post - #1
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Please help identify this pornstar. She has a very distinct tattoo of marilyn monroes face on her right thigh. I took the best screen shots I could to show her other tattoos and the best shot of her face. If possible the scene too.


Screenshots:
https://imgur.com/a/SUWw7re Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-30-21  03:01pm - 1085 days #8
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Glad your back and feeling better. That sucks about you he censoring though, how are you supposed to get better without hot nurse porn lmfao Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-25-21  04:49pm - 1090 days #5
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Wow LKLK hasn't posted on here yet. No sarcasm intended, for real I hope he's ok. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-23-21  04:11pm - 1092 days #4
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I sent you an email with a link to a google search. The pictures are clear but click the links only if you have a trustworthy anti virus protection. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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I haven't found anything about it online at all. It's all the pornstars I follow on twitter that are talking about it, the first mention of it that I read was Jane rogers posting someting like "I hope the rumors about isabel moon aren't true". Then Adria Rae just went all nuclear about it ranting and raving and Megan rain said she can confirm Isabel moon and posted blurred out pictures of Isabel engaged with a dog with her tattoos clearly visable. I googled it and it came up and I watched a 90 clip of it and dam if it really is her! For real, It's really her!!! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-23-21  07:43am - 1092 days Original Post - #1
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It’s kind of shocking to see some of these main stream stars caught up in this bestiality scandal, I’ve only heard three names mentioned so far and that is Isabell moon, Emily Willis, and Catalina Ossa. Megan Rain posted screenshots of the video of Isabell Moon engaged in sex with a dog. She has very distinctive tattoos and it is very obviously her. Adria Ray was engaged in a soapbox Filibuster yesterday on Twitter ranting and raving about why aren’t more people enraged about this. So far Emily Willis is the only one that has issued a statement flat out denying any involvement in this. Supposedly there was a notorious producer that was drugging these girls and filming them in bestiality movies without their consent. Have you heard of any other main stream stars caught up in this and if so what are their names and what do the rest of you think about all this? Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-18-21  08:03am - 1097 days #18
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Yeah I hear you, It's a very predatory business and not just directors/producers but performers too. All to many horror stories about drugs and abuse. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-07-21  02:08pm - 1108 days #16
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Yeah that's true and then add in the girls that have zero intension of making a career and just film a couple scenes in just utter desperation for quick cash. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-07-21  02:02pm - 1108 days #5
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They had tons of stuff on pornstar network but when doghouse digital pulled all their stuff from there they basically just threw it in the trash. They didn't post hardly any of the content on their own site and the dvds they released of it are getting hard to find: IE EXPENSIVE. I found a couple four packs of the lesbo 101 dvd's but in both the dvds didn't work, I guess heat/cold damage in the storage areas. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Thank you for taking the time to look Sir. They both have way more but they are not listed because they are I guess considered foreign releases. Cute angie has quite a few french language releases that I've found but no dice with this scene. I don't know of a Canadian website that would have them in a database. I would love to find their equal to indexxx.com.

Sadly what I am thinking is this video came from a now long dead site. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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09-01-21  05:08pm - 1114 days #4
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One of my residents buys storage defaulted garages and sells the contents. He found a box of original (not reprints) playboys in near mint condition including the holy grail 1st issue. He accepted a $1200 cash offer for it. He about fainted when I showed him sales online going for over $10,000.

FYI the holy grail is the Marilyn Monroe issue Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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08-29-21  02:08pm - 1117 days #14
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I meant literally one scene and done period. Not one scene with a specific site. My comment was in in response to a comment above about one and done girls like the girls do porn site. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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08-29-21  11:12am - 1117 days #12
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This site was dead for a while due to covid but has now been posting frequent updates for a few months and they look like a lot of porn newbs that are starting to make names for themselves. I don't like the one and done girls, It's just mean. Like dam she fine and that's all she wrote lmfao Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
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