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| 09-28-10 02:36am - 5200 days | #40 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Good points justme, I really feel worse for the producers, not us as collectors. Let's face it, there's probably enough content floating out there that we haven't even seen yet to sustain most of us for the rest of our lives. This country wouldn't be the same, however. | |
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| 09-27-10 10:44pm - 5200 days | #33 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Good debate Slutty, we'll agree to disagree. | |
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| 09-27-10 09:34pm - 5200 days | #3 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Couldn't find any info on Foot Fetish Daily,Blacks on Blondes 14,910, Vidoebox came in at 3,012, All over 30: 5,688. I didn't do as much poking around as you did hodayathink, and even though I knew that the tube and file hosting sites were higher on the list I didn't think that the biggest of the big boys were so low. Edited on Sep 27, 2010, 09:55pm | |
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| 09-27-10 08:00pm - 5200 days | #29 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
If you think the business of "free porn" (and it is very much a business), resembles in any way what it did 10 years ago I don't know what to tell you. For one thing, file hosting sites did not exist, at least not in there present form. Rapidshare-probably the oldest-was not even founded until 2006-and only this year-2010- became "one of the top 50 most visited sites in the world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidshare Ditto for the tube sites, I won't name individual adult tube sites here (just to abide by the rules), but let's just say that Youtube-the gradfather of all the adult tube sites-was not even founded until 2005 and took at least a couple of years to become popular and spawn it's adult-tube offspring. As both venues have increased in popularity/sophistication/ease of use-so the profits of the internet porn producers apparently taken a nosedive. This coupled with torrent sites, which I agree have been around for a bit longer (but have also made strides themselves). As far as the economy, I don't know if it has decreased demand for porn so much as it has increased demand for free porn, and the activity on the free side imo has now so outpaced that of the pay side that is no longer sustainable. Trust me, when a site like fileserve-a file host site that's probably only been around for less than a couple of years-can crack a top 150 most visted websites in the world. And not one adult pay site. Something's very wrong now, much more so than it has ever been. I wish this were not the case,and of course there isn't much we can do about it, but I don't think we can simply ignore it, or write it off any longer. Edited on Sep 27, 2010, 08:22pm | |
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| 09-27-10 12:26pm - 5200 days | #26 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Many here seem to view this as a free market issue. And while I'm not here to argue with anybody, there are a couple of things I would like to point out. Free markets require safeguards, laws, and even a bit of regulation in order to operate. To this day the largest form of piracy that the movie industry deals with is "physical piracy"-basically bootleg DVDs sold mainly by street vendors all over the world. My point is that this type of piracy-while a growing thorn in the music industries side-can still be dealt with through traditional means. Shipments of bootlegged material can be seized at customs, police can conduct raids on the street vendors etc. Far more importantly however, the movie industry benefits from a public that is accustomed to paying to watch its movies, either in the theater,by purchasing (legitimate) DVDs, or through a cable subscription. When one goes to purchase a mainstream movie DVD, you do not have to hang your head or hide as some might while visiting the adult book store. Likewise a mainstream DVD purchase on a credit card statement does not look "suspicious" to a man's spouse, as does a purchase titled CCBILL or EPOCH. Most regular guys also believe mistakenly that virtually all porn sites have fraudulent billing practices. A lot of guys here one bad story, paint the entire industry with a broad brush, and use it as a justification to steal content. I'd like to ask everyone here a question, have you ever gotten into even a casual discussion about porn with a guy or a group of guys and one will blurt something to the effect: "why pay for it when you can see it all for free anyway"? I saw a guy on an unrelated forum state that "Paying for porn would be like paying for sand at the beach". Most guys here may not be aware of it but I'd say about 95% of guys that view porn do so casually, primarily using the tube sites, with file sharing being a close second. (in other words for free) Just take a quick look through the top 100 most visited websites in the world.http://www.alexa.com/topsites If you look closely basically all the major adult tube sites are represented (I won't name them here), also Rapidshare, Hotfile, Megaupload, (and others) all represented in the top 100. (guys aren't using Rapidshare to exchange family photos). This says nothing of the torrents, which cannot be tracked through such means. Oh and by the way, in that top 100, not one legitimate adult pay site.In fact I didn't see one in the top 200 (that's as far as I looked), unless you want to count Adult Friend Finder, which is a common pop up. However I kept seeing virtually every adult tube site and file host site known to man, even the obscure ones. This is not a coincidence. In a nutshell, no industry can survive when: 1. The overwhelming majority of its consumers believe deeply that it's products should be free. 2.There are few (enforceable) laws in place to prevent said consumers from acting on that belief. I don't care how well managed they are. If this were case then one literally could make a living selling sand to beach-goers. Edited on Sep 27, 2010, 04:11pm | |
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| 09-26-10 04:38pm - 5201 days | #17 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Again good points, of course all of this is really out of our hands anyway. One can only hope that our favorite sites are not part of the "weeding out process" you mention. However this is also a situation that could cause a race to the bottom, as the more sites that fail cause pirates to focus on the remaining sites that are updating and so on and so forth. This is the first I'd heard that the Score Group was even having a problem, and this is a large conglomerate(with enough of a niche that you'd think they'd be okay), not some mom and pop amateur site. | |
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| 09-26-10 03:58pm - 5201 days | #14 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Good points Pink Panther but I think every industry is different. And both the movie and music industry have been around (in their current corporatized forms) far longer than has porn. First off few have ever bemoaned the death of the movie industry, piracy for the movie industry is really just a minor annoyance (and really has always been around in some form). Most mainstream movie watchers still don't really know how to 1. download whole movies to their computer 2. get those movies to play on their television where they want to watch them. This is because movies appeal to such a large demographic, most of whom are not that tech savvy. Besides, going to the theater always has been and will be an experience that many cherish-this is something piracy cannot touch. As far as the music industry it is still very much in trouble. It's only been saved to a large degree by the invention of the Apple ipod and it's itunes store which has been nothing short of a cultural phenomenon. If one wants to compare the music industry to the adult industry you would then need to concede that drastic changes are ahead. For instance, the music industry now sells far more individual songs for a dollar through digital downloads. If it had to rely on the old model of selling whole albums on CD-it in fact would be dead. The question is then will the adult industry change in ways that are favorable to collectors like us. I don't think the answer is yes. Edited on Sep 26, 2010, 04:06pm | |
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| 09-25-10 11:48pm - 5202 days | #5 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I'm very sorry to hear about your situation Yariana. It's the small sites like yours that really add to and enriche the industry. Unfortunately It's been my observation that most of the smaller sites are going by the waste side. I don't think most guys notice the impact this is having. When a big name player like Score says it may have to close up shop, I don't know what to say. They've been around for decades, still have their hand in magazines and DVD's, plus handled the transition to online better than most of their peers. Again it comes down to not believing it can happen because it hasn't happened yet. Slutty I agree, I think the industry needs to pool it's money and invest in a DRM technology that is constantly updated or something like that, to prevent the inevitable circumvention. Hire a big name firm to do it and call it day for non-DRM downloads. Edited on Sep 25, 2010, 11:54pm | |
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| 09-25-10 06:45pm - 5202 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I know there are some active threads already discussing this but I wanted to start a thread based on what I have personally been observing. Albeit my observations may be anecdotal but I really don't think so. I am currently a member at Scoreland, below is the comment from Scoreland editor Elliot James in response to some complaints that new model Valory Irene's videos are streaming only: "Gentlemen, We understand your concerns and your feelings about the streaming-only format of Valory's videos. We sympathize with you and wish we didn't have to take this action because we know that when you take something away, there is often a sense of being deprived. I want to use this comment board to explain why we have taken this step. The amount of content theft on the Internet has escalated to the point where SCORELAND�s existence is in peril. Torrent sites, tube sites and file sharing sites are filled with illegal, unauthorized uploads, not only of SCORE Group content, but the property of every Adult producer as well as the major Hollywood studios. I, and several other TSG staff members, have dealt with Internet copyright infringement for over a decade, but with most of the piracy coming from offshore sources, our legal options are limited. No one, no laws and no government is going to protect our content for us. We have to be willing to accept the responsibility ourselves. I spend hours each day sending out legal notices to have our videos and photos removed from pirate sites. The next day, they are back up again. Yes, we understand that only a handful of individuals are downloading and then illegally reposting our material and that our loyal members understand that piracy is a damaging act. But now, sad but true, it has come down to life or death for us. We have no choice but to take extreme action and that action is to reduce the means by which a video can be easily downloaded and propagated. So, in a way, we are depriving you, the good guys, while trying to stop the bad guys, but there is no other solution available at this time. In anticipation of this action, we invested heavily in our streaming infrastructure to bring you high quality HD 720p streaming video that exceeds the quality of our WMV and MP4 downloads. If content theft is not stemmed, there will be no SCORELAND and no Adult Industry within two years. With sales lost to pirate sites comes an inability for us to continue finding and shooting new models. It�s as simple as that. Until a better solution can be sourced, I beg your understanding in this very serious problem. We need your support so we can continue to bring you the quality content you expect from us. Thank you, Elliot James, editor and the staff of The SCORE Group." Of course every time a major player in the industry warns of impending doom, they are blown off as 'overreacting'. However I have begun to believe that many of us are not aware of the urgency because it hasn't happened yet. Easy porn access is all we have ever known either by visiting the adult movie store in the old days or downloading over the internet today. What I have personally been observing is the obtaining the free stuff is becoming far too easy. In fact I'd say the most recent trends and developments in porn are taking place on the "free side". One thing that comes to mind is the cutthroat business that is file hosting. Many of you may be aware of sites like Rapidshare, and Megaupload. These sites make money by housing large files uploaded by subscribers in order to facilitate sharing. What most regular guys don't realize is that these sites actually pay subscribers to attract business and new subscribers to their site. Suffice it to say that this business has gotten very lucrative for both the hosting sites and the subscribers. With all manner of users fancying themselves as "independent contractors". Posting "Megathreads" and "siterips" on dozens of adult sharing forums which have themselves become more prolific. Some of these users even start up their own blogs where just about every new video and DVD is posted. Of course these things have been around for a while now but it's become so competitive that I feel there has been a rapid increase in the number of guys uploading. In addition there has been a sort of rise and fall amongst the hosting sites, based primarily on the money they make available to their "independent contractors". (For instance use of Rapidsahre and Depositfiles is in decline, while Hotfile and fileserve is on the rise). Other things I've been observing is more and more bigger adult sites no longer updating (basically failing).(How many new reviews are from sites that everyone knows is no longer updating) And less new sites cropping up like in the old days. Maybe just saturation but I'm not so sure. Edited on Sep 27, 2010, 03:09pm | |
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| 09-24-10 10:08pm - 5203 days | #5 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I tend to dabble in the tranny thing from time to time. However I have a pretty strong foot fetish which is probably the most common (of the obscure types). The latex glove in the pool is pretty bizarre, but is probably an offshoot of latex fetishism in general which is also fairly common one.Couple more I haven't wrapped my head around are balloons, and equestrian (women wearing riding gear). Usually these things are the result and outgrowth of childhood experience. Wikipedia has a pretty interesting article in regard to balloon (and latex) fetishes. Human sexuality is a very complex process, and mankind is still in the early stages of being able to fully grasp how the brain works in general. | |
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| 08-31-10 07:59pm - 5227 days | #51 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
First Off, I gotta say welcome back Toadsith it's good to see you posting again. My opinion on this is somewhat mixed. Opinions on tattoos are one of those things that have traditionally broken down by generational lines and I don't think this board is any different. Seems like some of the younger posters like GCode and Toadsith fully embrace them while most of the older guys don't care for them, or are somewhat ambivalent (just my observation). Now because this not just about tattoos in general but tattoos on pornstars I think it begs the question of what you come to porn in search of, I think: a. If your looking for either a girl next door type, classy mature type, or innocent teen type. It's probably safe to say that tattoos are not up your ally. b. If your looking for the traditional "tramp", trashy looking girl type (dare I use the word "whore"). You may actually prefer a girl having one or more tattoos. Personally I like "types" (to overgeneralize) and so as far as tattoos on PORNSTARS I can take them or leave them. (Depending on what type of porn I'm looking to see that day or catches my attention) In my personal life I'd have to think about it. I'm one that has come to believe that English speaking women have become far too masculine in general, which is manifested in part by the prevalence of tattoos amongst them. (Actually I wanna ask anyone on this board with some experience, but it seems to me that tattoos amongst most European women are far less frequent?) Anyway, basically I wouldn't care for a dominating "masculine" type of women in my personal life but don't mind the idea in "fantasy". Edited on Aug 31, 2010, 08:27pm | |
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| 06-25-10 06:33pm - 5294 days | #28 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I no longer visit these stores myself but I believe they will always have a place. To kind of pick up on what picdude is saying, starting in early 2000's most of the major adult megastores began slowly shifting there focus away from the hardcore collector/user toward more of a couples focus. At the big Mega-store here in Orlando, I remember seeing less and less space devoted to VHS and DVD rentals and more space being devoted to adult toys and high end DVD purchases (I think DVD purchases rather than rentals were aimed at couples), lingerie sales etc. I remember being very frustrated with this at the time(even though I knew why it was occurring). The truth is (the online threat aside)I think the couples market was always more lucrative for those stores able to take advantage of it. The average couple (particularly wealthy couples) are often likely to come in to an adult mega store and drop down about $300.00 without even thinking about it. Meanwhile your average Joe renting DVD's will take many many trips to yield the same amount of sales. The stores that are dying out are the ones who don't have the space and location to cater to couples. Space is key because couples (often coming off a night on the town) don't want to stop by some hole in the wall to shop for lingerie and DVD's. They want a place that is spacious, well lit and well decorated. (One of the stores in Orlando for instance is two stories tall and quite spacious). Location is also somewhat important because as someone mentioned even couples don't necessarily want to be seen leaving an adult store, no matter how nice the store looks (or how mainstream porn has become). Again as an example the Mega-store I mentioned here in Orlando is located very close to an industrial zone that is not heavily trafficked. | |
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| 06-02-10 06:45pm - 5317 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Porn actor Steve Driver (real name Stephen Hill) is suspected of killing another actor (foot job specialist Tom Dong), and wounding two others with a Samurai Sword at Ultima DVD studios Tuesday night. Apparently he's still on the run. http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=42144 For Tom Dong (probably my favorite guy as far as foot jobs) may he rest in Peace. | |
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| 05-30-10 10:24am - 5320 days | #14 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I don't know if they are a complete turn-off, I certainly don't care for them, but it's not a deal breaker. As far as the risks, personally I kind of see it as one of the hazards of the job that these performers are signing up for. I mean I don't want to be insensitive, but anyone looking to get into the biz thinking they are going to be completely safe from STD's are foolish. Like any business, it is not designed to serve the employees, but the consumers. There are already safeguards in place, and rightly so because of the risk that is inherent in what they are doing. If they want to go a step further perhaps they should all take some sort of personal vow or pledge to only sleep with their fellow performers in the industry, during the years they are performing. | |
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| 05-30-10 10:01am - 5320 days | #31 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
You make a good point, there certainly are not enough of these women to 'flood the industry'(at least not yet). However there are far more enough to fill up a few networks with constant updates. A great deal of them would come from the swinging community, which makes up a good portion of the models on 50plusmilfs.com. Also there are tons of these types of models on other more soft core sites like Southern Charms, which has hundreds of models. (and most of the models on SC do hardcore videos as well for a separate purchase). Part of it may be a matter of logistics, certainly there are more than enough models willing to do this type of thing, but they are spread out across the country (like the southern charms models). The models for instance from 50plusmilfs mostly come from Florida where The Score Group is based. Still I have no doubt that it could be done. I'm certain there is a market for it, and that's usually all that is needed. Edited on May 30, 2010, 10:05am | |
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| 05-29-10 11:29pm - 5321 days | #29 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
There is actually a grossly under served market for mature North American models. Granted the demand for older women is not hug, however it is significant and most sites that have attempted to cater to this niche have established a Loyal fanbase. Take for instance The Score Group; they have some 30-40 sites that they run including some very good quality mainstream sites like Naughtymag,18eighteen, christymarks etc. Plus they already have a mature site with 40somethingmag.com. Nonetheless, they must have seen the unmet demand for EVEN OLDER North American models, and decided to launch 50plusmilfs.com last year. Lo and behold, if you look at the list of their top selling sites http://www.score-cash.com/ number three on the list (right after their two flagship sites scoreland and xlgirls) is 50plusmilfs.com. In the current climate where mainstream porn is so freely traded and as accessible as a Google search. The real money being made is in niche and fetish. (That is unless you are one of the massive sites like Brazzers, Realitykings etc.) So I say bring on the older models and sites catering those of us who like them. Edited on May 29, 2010, 11:47pm | |
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| 04-07-10 12:28pm - 5373 days | #13 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I'm NOT a huge fan of either site but I'm a member at both for only $9.99 each. It's hard to pass up for that price, especially with the massive archives of those two sites. I still have a link for Bangbros for $9.95 if you change your mind and want to try it out for a month: http://www.bangbrosnetwork.com/t1/pps=bangfreesp/join.htm My link for Reality kings no longer works. That said knowing Messmer's taste, I'm not sure either one is for him. Edited on Apr 07, 2010, 12:35pm | |
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| 03-14-10 07:37pm - 5397 days | #54 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
To be honest I do a mixture of both, I am a member of a number of forums, and even frequent many free direct download blogs (yes there are plenty of blogs where you can get really good stuff). (I don't generally use tube sites as the quality is degraded.) Then there are a few sites I can't seem to do without simply because they have an angle that no one else does and so it makes it hard to find stuff for free on them anyway. THIS CAN'T BE STRESSED ENOUGH. Often sites like brazzers aren't ripped off directly, but they produce such mainstream stuff that people don't actually need to. You can see the same girls doing the same things in so many other scenes it ain't even funny. This forces sites like this to compete primarily on the basis of quality (you can't find the full brazzers 1080p HD for free everywhere), and volume (sites like brazzers have such large back catalogs). Even then price is ALWAYS an issue and for me a site with a good discount or loyalty program usually keeps me a member long term. If a site is great, unique and everything I want, but also expensive with no incentive for staying, I may just stop by for a month, download what I can, and move on. For instance here is a list of three sites I have currently what I am paying for them and why: Scoreland ($19.99) worth the price by itself, but would have only been there for a month if not for the loyalty program. Score's loyalty program gives you an extra site for free every month you stay a member. Since they have a number of very quality sites I may never cancel. (been a member 7 months now). Brazzers ($9.99) Yea I took advantage of the loyalty discount a long time ago and haven't relinquished it. (I think it's still available) To be honest you can find a ton of Brazzers scenes all over the internet for free, and really I'm not even that big a fan of the content. I mean it's good enough, but I wouldn't be a member at $24.95 a month for it. BangBros and Reality Kings (both $9.99) I also managed to find two old links for both Bangbros and Reality Kings at $9.99 a month as well (just googled them). Ditto everything I said about Brazzers. Low price can forgive a lot of transgressions. Foot Fetish Daily ($50.00 3 months) Fairly expensive (so I took the multiple month deal) but just too good to pass up imo. There are other foot fetish sites, but not that many good ones and FFD is unique in the way it is presented and the types of girls it uses. Also because of the niche it is not very easy to find content for free from this site. Even still, due to the higher price I often take a number of months off it. Other examples include 21Sextury.com (high quality, unique content, loyalty program), Shemale Club (it's very hard to find high quality Tranny stuff for free),and 50plusmilfs.com, which seems to have become something a suprise hit for Score, mainly because it is near IMPOSSIBLE to find mature (not milf I mean gilf) North American (most gilf type sites are european) boy/girl anywhere else on the net. So that's it, in a nutshell if a site owner want's a loyal base of PAYING customers they need to have quality UNIQUE content (mainstream porn is easy too rip off), and come with some type of value in terms of price like a discount, or loyalty program. Edited on Mar 14, 2010, 08:34pm | |
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| 01-14-10 11:44am - 5456 days | #14 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Lisa Ann blows them all away, the only one worth mentioning for me anyway. | |
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| 01-08-10 08:55pm - 5462 days | #42 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I could be wrong man but I don't see it that way. I think porn today is probably better than it's ever been primarily due to the dizzying array of choices. Back in the 80's and 90's most guys had to settle on the relatively small selection vids "in the back" of the local video store. The 90's brought the advent of the "adult mega store" but still the selection that is on offer at these places is like a grain of sand compared to what's available today on the web. This is especially true for guys (like myself) who are looking to satisfy certain fetishes they may have. Back in the day I remember having to choose between a very paltry selection to satisfy my leg/foot fetish craving. Now I have more choices (at much cheaper prices) than I know what to do with. Besides most of us here have only visited a small selection of the sites that are available (like over 4 mil. as of 06). That said, even I haven't found a site that has everything I'd like, and I also agree with many of the points that have been made about regarding the obnoxious behavior. I just see most of that though as some relatively minor negatives in what have been some overwhelmingly positive developments and innovations. (webcams, HD, mobile content, etc.) Edited on Jan 09, 2010, 10:47am | |
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| 12-30-09 12:31pm - 5471 days | #14 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Brazzers is like the McDonald's of internet porn: 1. I know guys who don't really mess with a lot of porn but they of know and (some) have been a member at Brazzers. This is in part due to advertising but more importantly Brazzers girls are what I'd call the "pornstars pornstar", Barbie dolls with big fake tits (and the controversy that surrounds that.) In other words when the average guy on the street thinks about a porn star they think nice tight body, ass, and most importantly BIG FAKE TITS. Brazzers knows this, and they have done a remarkable job at slavishly catering to that market of (somewhat shallow) average guys. (even at the expense of more diversity in terms of girls and sites) As a result of this Brazzers has a wider base market than the other big name North American sites (Reality Kings, Bang Bros, and Naughty America). Basically I'd say it appeals guys of all ages, since most fantasize about the "prototypical" porn star. (at some point) Meanwhile imo the other sites have an appeal that is a bit more limited: Reality Kings: has a large back catalog but really lacks an identity in terms of what they are about, they're a bit of a jack of all trades without really mastering anything, even going as far as to be the only one with a tranny site. If anything maybe they appeal mostly to older guys primarily due their biggest site still being Milf Hunter. BangBros: Great site, has always had the best vid quality. (till Brazzers 1080p) From what I gather, Bang Bros has always been more popular with a younger audience (college kids) due to the typically irreverent nature of the both their sites (like bangbus, and monsters of cock which was really first of it's kind) and their directors. Most conspicuous (shocking really) is the lack of any blatent "teen" related site. This stems from the fact most college boys are basically teens themselves and are not yet at the age of fantasizing about teens. Naughty America: Clearly caters to an older crowd, with even a slight bent toward "couples" porn. (I've heard women do ALL the writing.) 2. As far as the shady practices, not to downplay anyones individual circumstances, but I don't think the vast majority have any problems. (I'm mean they use Epoch for christ sake.) It may be they are so popular that just from a sheer numbers standpoint there are going to be problems. Then of course when someone does complain about something the legions of Brazzers fanboys (whom have had no problems) may take exception. (The biggest blowup lately has been over the 1080p blue ray being advertised on the outside but only available to members after 6 months. There is some merit to that complaint so I won't disparage it here, but I'd say the others are isolated incidents.) 3. The $9.99 loyalty discount, not sure if they still offer it, but they did for a very long time and it clearly enabled them to build up a very large base of loyal customers. I for one could never bring myself to cancel, even though I'm not really what you'd call a huge fan of the content. 4. I think most of the detractors of the site are generally guys whom have developed more sophisticated tastes in porn and prefer more diversity in both girls and content. Again in this regard Brazzers is like McDonald's you know what your getting, how it's going to taste, and whether you like it or hate it. UPDATE: one of the newbies just posted an old link for the $9.95 a month and it looks like it still works http://www.rk.com/deals/brazdeal.htm The link is old as hell and is still advertising "updates" dated 2008! If you are even curious about the site I'd get on top of that now since I don't think that price is offered any longer even if you try to cancel. (could be wrong though) Edited on Mar 15, 2010, 12:19pm | |
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| 12-07-09 09:34pm - 5494 days | #6 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I would vote 21sextury (still a member because of the discount), but honestly the only DDF site I've ever been a member of is hotlegsandfeet, so I can't really judge them. I'm not much into glamour sites though. What happened at 1ByDay to turn you off of it? Edited on Dec 07, 2009, 09:45pm | |
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| 11-16-09 12:38am - 5516 days | #4 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Does that mean that you would only want to see creampies? I guess there are other alternatives but the wanking off would seem the most natural. I almost wonder how you can watch most porn if this is a major turnoff. Edited on Nov 16, 2009, 12:45am | |
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| 11-09-09 03:14pm - 5522 days | #17 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Excellent Analysis I would agree with everything said. Being a black man myself I perfer a women with nice curves. I'm not talking about obese but I really don't care much for petite girls, at least in not in real life. Oddly enough it is the influence of porn that will cause me to occasionally indulge in a "young teen" site, so I can see the attraction, but that wouldn't be the type of women I would settle down with. The main drawback with a bigger women is they can tend to fall into the obese category as they have children and grow older, so from a practical standpoint I can see how a petite women might be the way to go. I guess it's not in the nature of black folk to think too far ahead, (lol), we should be encouraging our young women to eat healthier and lose at least some of that big ass!! On the flip side I think alot of white men end up unhappy with their spouses due simply to the natural aging process of women gaining weight as they bear children and get older. Also (I know I'm going to take some heat for this one), I think an overt obsession with petite girls can often go too far and cross into the pedophilia zone. Often this is the first suspicion of wives who catch their husbands with loads of "young teen" porn. Not saying anyone on this board falls into that category, but it is something I am always weary of. (actually if you did fall into that category you probably would be on a different kind of site) As far as the influence of black society I think that is also very true, black culture has permeated the larger pop culture in so many ways as to now be ubiquitous. One study showed that black people are by far overrepresented on TV when accounting for our size of the population. I've always wondered how this made hispanic friends feel, being as they are by far the bigger minority. Issues in America always seem to play out between white and black, I guess do to the long history. People only bring up hispanic culture when talking about food or immigration issues. Most of my hispanic friends follow black culture, but eat hispanic food and will occasionlly listen to reggaeton. Your analysis of the psychological factors are also spot on. Everyone knows that pre-1960's, most men preferred curvier women. Especially when you talk about 19th century and earlier. Edited on Nov 09, 2009, 09:35pm | |
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| 11-09-08 04:21pm - 5887 days | #23 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Overall I think they are great, an essential part of the free market system that is based on competition for my hard earned dollar. I there two sites that I have right now that I wouldn't be a member of if not for the drastic cut in price from the loyalty discount The first is Brazzers who offered me $9.99 a month to stay. I actually don't download much from there, but they have way too much content for me to pass up for that price, same thing goes for All Reality Pass Plus. The main reason to take advantage of these is that you never know when they will pull the deal. This happened to me with facial abuse which I had for $12.72 (loyalty discount)for over a year until I cancelled. When I came back that discount was gone, not only that but they now offer a number of bonus sites that weren't there when I cancelled. Every time I think of that site I regret it because of that. Luckily they have added a discount through TBP for $19.99 | |
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| 11-09-08 03:28pm - 5887 days | #18 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Yea messmer you have mentioned it before, I am very sympathetic to your case as we both share a love for older women (although not quite the same way). I however have a very strong foot fetish that can make up for a dearth quantity in mature porn (would love to see a site truly combine both). Anyway I gave you some ideas the first time you posted about this, I guess I'll try again. The mature market is dominated by Europeans unfortunately. I don't much care for Euro porn (for a number of reasons), but I have subscribed to a few sites that were to good to pass up (namely LustyGrannies and Mature.NL). The Europeans tend to have a much more liberal view of sexuality as something to be enjoyed by all ages. Here in North America, particularly the U.S sex is only supposed to be for younger people. I think we are just now starting to come around (hence the derogatory term "milf"). I think in the years ahead we will see more and better quality mature sites. The opportunities for market growth in porn is in the fetish market, the mainstream stuff is already way over saturated. Anyhow I do have at least three site ideas for you based on what I THINK your tastes are (no offense, but you seem a little picky). Here goes: 1. Village Ladies, villageladies.co.uk This is a British based site that focuses on amateur women 40 and up. Lots of Lingerie, seemingly huge archive (based on my observation). I have not subscribed here yet, but it is on my list. 2. Dixie Cuties, dixiecuties.com This site is really amateur, based on submitted pics. I have found some gems here though 3. Southern Charms, http://www.southerncharms.com These are a bunch of individual model sites with most of the women being North American. I know it's expensive at $14.95 for one model, but if you really do enjoy mature women, I defy you not to find a bunch here to like. The first one I know you'll like (if you haven't already seen it). The other two I know are a reach but you might as well have a look. Edited on Nov 09, 2008, 03:35pm Edited by Staff on Nov 09, 2008, 05:53pm (Khan: fixed URL's) | |
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| 11-09-08 01:57pm - 5887 days | #17 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Based on your tastes I really don't think See My Wife is what your looking for. Those are just your standard "milf" types, meaning over 30. Edited on Nov 09, 2008, 02:02pm | |
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| 08-16-08 05:59pm - 5972 days | #20 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
For me I hate hardcore scenes where the girl keeps on half her clothes, huge dissapointment, I don't care what she has to hide. Your doing a porn shoot for crying out loud!! Also I'm into legs and feet so I usually prefer vids and pics with no shoes (especially tennis shoes!?). Although this is not always a deal breaker. | |
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| 04-30-08 12:47pm - 6080 days | #8 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I agree. Another thing that comes to mind for me though is that with the popularity of first person shooter games, (Halo, Call of Duty, Half life) you kind of wonder why that hasn't crossed over to making POV as wildly popular. I don't really care for FPS games either, and obviously it's kind of a stretch to compare the two, but you have to believe that they at least appeal to the same demographic. | |
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| 04-30-08 12:29am - 6081 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I got to thinking about this after reading the "I'm Ready For My Closeup Mr. DeMille" thread. Most of you know what POV is and stands for (point of view). I just wonder why it isn't more popular? Considering the extent to which many guys obsess over their favorite stars, POV gives you the chance to visualize how it would be if YOU were actually the one banging them. It seems as though the concept sort of took off for a while; particularly in the DVD market and eventually making it's way to a number of network sites, but it's popularity seems to have faded quite a bit. (at least imo) Out of what I would call the "super networks" (Brazzers, Bang Bros, Reality Kings, Naughty America) only NA has what I would consider a site devoted entirely to POV. (House Wife 1 on 1, although Bang Bros also utilizes this angle from time to time) I guess I am just throwing it out there for discussion, as I have never been a die hard fan of the genre myself. I guess most of the guys just prefer the more (traditional) voyeuristic perspective. *Also for you trivia heads out there; obviously the POV concept had been around for quite a while without actually being considered a category or genre, but what year would you consider that the concept really took off and was considered an official porn genre? | |
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| 04-29-08 11:35pm - 6081 days | #8 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Agree 100%, even I myself have a strong leg and foot fetish, but hate (foot fetish) sites that focus obsessively on feet and leg closeups. Nonetheless I have to surmise that this is what most guys like otherwise it probably wouldn't be as popular as it is. There are sites that have very few closeups, most notably (from my experience), nude arty sites like Met-Art and Abby Winters, also Allover40 comes to mind. (This just covers pics though) | |
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| 04-24-08 04:43am - 6087 days | #2 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Good question, I tend to doubt if any of them would risk the negative exposure though. | |
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| 04-22-08 02:00am - 6089 days | #12 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
This thread has gotten to be pretty depressing. | |
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| 04-22-08 01:27am - 6089 days | #46 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Toadsith your points are well taken (as always). I was not aware of the prevalence of the implant procedure in Hollywood, particularly among the "A listers". (naive on my part) However I do believe that for the most part we are on the same page. The point I have made at least a couple of times (as you have also) is that the real question is 'Is sex (in general) too mainstream? As Sex has gone from novelty to commodity in society at large; porn has simply followed suit, in order to accommodate the needs of men under ever increasing sexual tension. The demand has created the supply. I would however disagree with the point that has been made, that a lack of mainstream porn stars belies a lack of clout, or power, on the part of the industry as a whole. It's just not that kind of business. It will ALWAYS remain in the shadows, at least to some extent, but it HAS become mainstream in it's own way. Let's face it, this is the kind of industry that goes through talent at an extremely rapid pace. Unlike mainstream actors, most porn stars (the women) make more AT THE BEGINNING of their career than they do toward middle(like mainstream actresses) or the end. Most probably last a year or two, after all of the major studios (and porn sites) are done filming them a few times. What other industry could sustain and even THRIVE on such a turnover in it's workforce, and make no mistake, porn IS thriving like no time it's history. The numbers simply don't lie: world wide porn revenues are nearly twice the amount of mainstream movies.(globally) As well, the porn industry in 2006 grossed more than companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple, and eBay combined at nearly 100 billion dollars. If you are looking for cues from the 'traditional' mainstream media your not likely to find very many, but if that ain't mainstream, I don't know what is. (The link is below for those who want to look at the stats yourself.) http://internet-filter-review.toptenrevi...aphy-statistics.html Edited on Apr 22, 2008, 02:10am | |
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| 04-21-08 09:25pm - 6089 days | #44 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Well of course you are right; there has always been various forms of physical enhancement going perhaps as far back as history itself. You could hypothetically include foot binding in ancient China; use of neck lengthening rings in Africa; corsets as you mention, hell you could maybe throw in the use of toupees on the part of men. I'm no history buff, but I'm quite certain that the popular use of each of these devices were influenced or even directly caused by some other external factor. In other words somewhere, somehow, someone decided that THIS is what is gonna be hot and the majority of people agreed with them. I would also agree that cosmetic surgery has grown more popular, at least in part, due to technological advances that have made it safer, and also less expensive. However I don't believe that this alone can explain the recent explosion in growth for the industry, particularly for it's most popular surgery- breast implantation.(329,000 procedures in 2006 alone in the U.S.) One might surmise that the popularity of this surgery is a reflection of women trying to become more like the Hollywood stars they idolize. However looking at most (if not all) of the A class Hollywood starlets out there, none that I can think of off the top of my head (maybe I am wrong) have particularly large breasts, and none of them have breasts implants.(To be sure there are plenty of girls emulating these women as well, reflected in the epidemic rise in eating disorders over the last decade.) So who (or what) are these women to flock to the nearest plastic surgeon and slap down thousands of dollars for bigger boobs? The only other answer I can come up with is that they are emulating the girls us guys watch in pornos, or go to see at the strip club. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that every girl that gets implants is trying to be like Jenna Jameson/Pamela Anderson. However women like Jenna, Pam, and the adult industry as a whole is the greatest reason for this phenomenon. Edited on Apr 21, 2008, 09:36pm | |
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| 04-21-08 12:19pm - 6089 days | #36 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I would agree here, particularly with 1990's dvd/vhs porn which was much more distinctive-particularly the Extreme Associates/Armageddon stuff. However I think this makes the argument that porn is in fact MORE mainstream, as all of the major porn studios are using many of the same techniques and plot devices. In response to the comment about porn not being in the mainstream media; you are right, but this really has more to do with FCC regulations, society's obligation to protect children from "obscene imagery". You are also correct that most average people cannot name a mainstream porn star. However I would probably say that's simply because the nature of the porn business is not to produce mainstream stars. Let's face it most guys simply want to see a girl perform a few times and then it's on to the one. Most studios only film a girl a few times, (even less in the online environment) before telling her to move on. I think the more important question is the oft debated one "Is sex to mainstream?". Porn is simply society's (particularly men's) response to pent up sexual tension. As sex has become commonplace, porn has as well. Almost all of us know at least one girl who has had some kind of cosmetic surgery, usually breast implants. This is imo a direct response to the porn's impact on society at large. Porn went from being: something you could only obtain from a shady street vendor, to the advent of adult theaters,then home movies, to now virtually dominating the web in terms of commerce. Now we have reached the point where many are complaining that the porn is to "boring". Think about it, I would doubt if too many guys from the 1970's, 80's, or even the 1990's would have entertained that sentiment. Edited on Apr 21, 2008, 12:26pm | |
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| 04-21-08 11:28am - 6089 days | #18 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I would agree with part of what you are saying. Of course it is unlikely that a site would change considerably within a number of months, and if not done properly some people would try to manipulate the system. That is why I believe there should in fact be a time restriction placed on it, perhaps even a year, before a follow up is permitted. There are plenty of sites that make substantial changes within that amount of time; considering improvements in video and picture quality as well as sheer quantity.(Some sites even stop updating altogether.) I think with an appropriate time frame it would give at least some incentive for casual users- who have one or two sites they may be obsessed with-to stay involved with this site and provide us with valuable information. It's important to point out that with nearly 10 million porn sites out there, we need all the help we can get. | |
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| 04-21-08 11:06am - 6089 days | #12 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I'm not very familiar with her, maybe I'll look her up. | |
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| 04-20-08 12:38pm - 6090 days | #10 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Guys like yourself are why I believe PU should allow users to gain points on follow up reviews. There would need to be a time restriction like say 6-8 months, but after this you could earn more points on the follow up. This is simply because sites change over time and the follow up review of a devoted fan can provide valuable insight. I myself have only done four, simply out of laziness for lack of a better reason. I wish I had the discipline of an exotics4some or nygiants. I would certainly have alot more points and perhaps even some raffle winnings. | |
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| 04-19-08 01:16pm - 6091 days | #4 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Another suggestion that I have had is that the more points one has should provide greater weight in a site's overall score average. This is simply because as you have seen more sites you tend to give more accurate reviews. I would personally change some of the scores I have up now, and I haven't even reviewed that many. | |
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| 04-19-08 01:11pm - 6091 days | #3 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
They can sometimes provide valuable insight even if their reviews are somewhat incoherent. The key thing is, in many cases, they've been in the site and we have not. That said, I would also say that the negative reviews are much more useful than the positive ones though. The unabashedly positive review of a "one hit review wonder" as you call them is immediately suspect. Which leads me to say that my impression overall is that this site holds quite a bit of influence with web masters. We can't necessarily make or break a site here, but we can certainly turn away business, particularly for a new startup. How many webmasters have you seen immediately respond to a review or comment made about their site here. I get the idea that it is a pretty high priority to make sure they stay in the good graces of the virgining PU community. Edited on Apr 20, 2008, 12:41pm | |
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| 04-19-08 12:56pm - 6091 days | #5 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Lynn Lemay in her heyday | |
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| 04-19-08 12:51pm - 6091 days | #7 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
You know I used to not be all that partial to Euro Porn stars (simply because of the language barrier) but I'm beginning to warm up to them a bit more now. On the whole they are simply hotter than your average American starlet. They have a certain unbridled lust that cannot be matched by anywhere else either; almost as if this the last fuck they will ever have, and they are damn sure going to get all they can from it. | |
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| 04-18-08 09:57pm - 6092 days | #4 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Porn Pass for All has a number of sites that are intriguing, particularly for me Footsie Babes and Open Air Pleasures; they have pretty good pics, and I will also give them credit for pushing the envelope conceptually, with sites like Pee and Blow and Lusty Grannies (they don't even have a milf site to my knowledge). However I was not impressed with their vid quality (perhaps Brazzers/Reality Kings is only slightly better). Also their pricing system, as you mention, left me irritated and not wanting to explore any further. Brain Pass is also good. It's strongest asset imo is the near exclusivity of super stud Brandon Iron, and to a lesser extent Peter North (although I think he has another site elsewhere). The drawback to this network for me, was that many of their sites rely solely on DVD content-which means they haven't updated in ages, and may never do so again. This was particularly the case with some of sites that interested me the most. I remember spending quite a bit of time once going through many of their sites to see which ones were still updating. You may have a point though, if they streamlined their sites a bit more, they could easily have the best stuff as their is really a quality site for everyone here, just not consistent enough. Plenty of potential, but a lack of follow through, (much like the Score Group sites). As far as Devil's Film and White Ghetto, they are on my list of future sites. Edited on Apr 19, 2008, 12:16am | |
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| 04-18-08 09:36pm - 6092 days | #3 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Have to agree with you Toadsith as far as Brazzers. As network porn sites go, it's straight out of central casting in almost every way possible. Ironically enough though, the sort of generic quality the site has kinda gives it it's own personality. I've always sort of fancied the idea that, particularly in the early days; Bang Bros. appealed mostly to the frat boy crowd, with a site like BangBus, and the sort of obnoxious dialog of their directors. Reality Kings was more for the 30 and up demographic, with it's flagship Milf Hunter site (the original milf site), a mixture of exotic women, and it's frequent use of older male studs (Shawn the "Hunter" and Captain Stabbin). Meanwhile I think Brazzers sort of appeals to the working class guy who: goes to the football game on the weekend; the strip club/bar at night, and prefers his women to have that all American cheerleader/stripper/porn star look, giving no thought to such virtues as diversity in his tastes. Or in other words, Brazzers is for the guys who idolize women like Jenna Jameson, Pamela Anderson, and Britteny Spears (a large group of men indeed). Of course much of this has changed recently, as all three sites now have some concepts that overlap. A generic milf site (originated by Reality Kings) is now basically a mandatory feature for any network to have. Also, virtually everyone now uses that most cliche of all porn still shots: The wide eyed "OH MY GOD THIS IS A HUGE COCK THAT'S GONNA DESTROY ME!!" look on a porn stars face while she's holding a man's rod (originated on the Bang Bros. site: Monsters of Cock). Yet, I still think each site retains it's own personality; for the better I think, as web porn wouldn't quite be the same without their famous icons. As to your point on the price of Brazzers, again I would agree. It would not be a permanent fixture in my collection if weren't $10 a month, but I'd probably still visit every now and then. Edited on Apr 20, 2008, 04:56pm | |
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| 04-18-08 11:31am - 6092 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Which of the major networks is the best in your opinion? I'm mainly about Brazzers, Reality Kings, Bang Bros. etc, but feel free to chime in with any others you think are really good. Based on the popularity of Brazzers on this site, I am going to probably guess most guys are going to say it's the best one; overall I would tend to agree. However they tend to lack model diversity and if you don't like fake boobs you will certainly need to head elsewhere. For me though, I think they have the best videos of the three, (obviously that is the most important thing for most people). The one thing I give Reality Kings is their pic sets are superior in quality (and I have a serious fondness for their quality pics). Also, they have a very diverse mix of models. I have not been to Bang Bros. yet, but plan to check them out shortly, as I recently saw a pretty good discount for their site. Edited on Apr 18, 2008, 11:36am | |
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| 04-15-08 12:22am - 6096 days | #9 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
My mistake the site name is whereisyourwife.com. It may be a bit too hard, but since you say you are not much into hardcore then you probably shouldn't bother as it doesn't have that many pic sets. Edited on Apr 15, 2008, 12:28am | |
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| 04-14-08 02:17pm - 6096 days | #2 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Ah yes, this has and always will be a significant problem. If you are looking for mostly soft core stuff (with some hardcore) I would take a look at the Score Groups 40somethingmag, it's the only one left in this area that you haven't mentioned. One thing though the quality of this site is pretty good but not really comparable to AllOver30 or the Karups site. Other than that, if you are looking for a good hardcore site maybe whereismywife.com might fit the bill. Mind you it is an AMATEUR site; the models aren't all that hot (a few of them are also not that old but most are); and it is definitely HARD CORE with anal in almost every scene. It may be that neither of these will cut it, but they are all I can think of at the moment. If any thing else comes to mind I'll holler back. Also, I am only thirty, but I still like to look at older ladies from time to time. Edited on Apr 14, 2008, 02:23pm | |
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| 04-13-08 10:25am - 6097 days | #16 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
One possible solution to the reply problem would be to have review replies link somehow to a new thread in the forum. If forum threads are archived then as the review changes over time, one would be able to follow it in the ensuing thread. You could also have a header noting, after first follow up, after second follow up...etc. | |
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| 04-13-08 10:13am - 6097 days | #15 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
There are a lot of good points here, but I tend to disagree with the commonly held premise that follow up reviews should not earn points. Sites change over time and users of those sites can be a valuable asset, by pointing out those changes for the rest of us, and still earning points. Also there opinions will become more valuable over time, which is why I think that those with higher point totals should be given more weight, as they have simply seen more sites and have more to compare with. Perhaps though, the time frame on this could be stretched to 12 months before a follow up becomes available. Once it is, it would completely overwrite the original review. Edited on Apr 13, 2008, 10:23am | |
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