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03-23-14  01:06pm - 3927 days #6
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03-22-14  11:45am - 3928 days #12
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03-13-14  12:52pm - 3937 days #2
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Wow. Sorry to hear that things are sliding to the "not so good" side for you (understatement of the moment). I generally don't like to hear about ambivalence from people in medically troubling situations because that indicates a lack of hope / lack of positive attitude which is probably the best medicine out there but I'm not going to badger you about that since I'm not in your position. In any event, I hope to see your postings for a long time to come ... besides, think of all of the porn updates you'd be missing.

02-23-14  03:15pm - 3955 days #36
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02-15-14  03:57pm - 3963 days #21
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I think I found the internet in about '98 back when AOL rocked the house and a 56k modem was high speed. Of course it didn't take long after that to find the naked bits on it either.

I joined a few sites that I'm sure are long since gone. Vids were super choppy and maybe only a few minutes long ... and waiting for them to load was like a Heinz ketchup commercial. The pics were maybe a few hundred pixels and pretty crappy. The thing I remember most was that the sites just threw a bunch of stuff out there. Boy / girl, solo, beastiality, whatever they could get their hands on to put up on a site that looked like porn. It definitely was the wild west back then.

01-22-14  07:45pm - 3987 days #35
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01-22-14  12:37pm - 3987 days #2
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Depends on if you want to be a follower or a leader and how you view the industry. If you're going to be a follower than it seems pretty simple to adopt the I-Tunes model of $1 per download (assuming good quality HD).

If you want to be a leader that involves more risk since you don't have the resources to accurately gauge your potential market. Would people pay $2 per download? For us PU'ers that probably seems expensive given that we know we can rip a whole site for about $20. However, for the casual porn viewer is really $2 unrealistic if there are convenient tags and search options? My guess, which is only a guess, is that people will stick with the crappy tube sites unless you're at the $1 per download or less (of course cheaper is better).

My view of the industry is that porn is pretty much a commodity and those who really follow specific porn stars are in the definite minority. Your question then becomes which market do you want to tap. If you're just selling wares from the major porn studios then you don't really have much input in terms of what they are willing to sell you. In that case, you're probably going to have to go cheaper to get the masses to buy in. If you want the new site to be a place where individuals can market their wares (maybe a separate channel) then you can charge more for having the niche market.

The biggest problem I see with such a channel is tagging consistency. I've never seen a larger site that had consistent tagging because they had too many tags or too few and/or too many people doing the the tagging. I don't mess around much with I-Tunes but I suspect that the face the same complaints so maybe I'm over estimating this issue.

Lastly, in order to get people to buy you're also going to have make sure that you can promise that their video will be around for freaking ever. Don't be like Kindle where the user wakes up on day and suddenly finds that their book is gone because of some licensing issue. This means you have to host the videos on your own servers and not rely on individual websites to stick around. Not so much a big deal any more but just a note.

01-17-14  12:10pm - 3992 days #13
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I figure everyone by now knows the Microcrap Rule: Only every other operating system works well. Windows 95 was great / Windows 98 only so-so - XP was awesome / Vista, well we know how that turned out - Windows 7 (which I use) works well / Windows 8 .... you know the rest.

I also don't really understand why HP does all this crap to their computers. I also got an HP laptop and it came loaded with a bunch of worthless programs that just generated popups and demands for updates. If you're completely clueless about computers this software might have some value but if you're just trying to get stuff done with real software then it's pointless. Like Exotics I just deleted the HP stuff or permanently shut it down and made my life easier.

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01-12-14  02:11pm - 3997 days #20
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01-10-14  12:25pm - 3999 days #45
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01-09-14  12:32pm - 4000 days #14
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01-03-14  02:32pm - 4006 days #10
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Without taking the time to dig through the archives here my memory tells me that few women posted here in the past only to be hit up with a bunch of members asking questions about the women. Nothing terribly sexist but definitely not overly welcoming either.

01-03-14  02:29pm - 4006 days #6
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For whatever reason, the $30 a month rate seems to be the cutoff mark for the porn industry. I read an article a few months back that said the industry has pretty much found out that this is the upper limit the average user will pay to join a site for a month and that most of the major players in the biz have found this to be true.

My theory as to why this persists in the age of high speed internet is simply because it's the way it always has been. Like how much of the world operates, it's just easier to keep doing what you've always done especially once consumers get used to the concept. The online porn biz started out with monthly memberships so that's what you mostly still see.

I've always thought there was more room for variable pricing (monthly membership, limited trials, expanded trials, pay per view, etc.) and I sort of thought more sites would be heading this direction by now. The main reason why this hasn't happened is because the big boys of porn don't do this. Why offer pay per view or multiple trial levels when you can get people coming back every few months or sign them up for long term reduced price deals. Most consumers of porn are "one and done" meaning they stick around for only a month or so and then don't come back. Because this is the realm of the average consumer (created in part because of what the average consumer expects) the porn sites have to optimize revenue by getting the most from these people. Thus, you're stuck with monthly memberships.

While this is a pain for those who really like a site(s) and only want the recent updates recognize that you're in the minority. If I were a website owner and things were going OK financially I couldn't see the benefit in setting up a pay per view system (the cost of coding and site alterations, etc.) versus the payoff of getting a few extra members for a few $1 downloads when I know if they really like the site they'll be back in a few months to hand out money for the monthly membership. Porn is a relatively cheap commodity already (it costs more to see a movie in a theater and have some popcorn and a soda than it does to join most sites for a month) so it probably doesn't pay in both time and money for the site operators to be trying to suck up a few extra bucks a month when the current system seems to be working OK for them.

It's probably going to take a good quality super site to shake up the current pricing paradigm and I don't see many leading the way at this point. Only once the big players move will the smaller sites follow along.

12-28-13  11:46am - 4012 days #5
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In the past, the few members who at least claimed to be women and posted here in the forum pretty much got hit up with a lot of less than admirable responses to their postings. For whatever reason, a lot of guys seem to think that women in porn forums are fair game for a lot b.s. or unnecessary / unwanted attention.

It wouldn't shock me to know that there are a few women here who hide behind neutral or male sounding screen names. However, I suspect that vast majority of us are just dudes doing their thing ...

12-25-13  12:17pm - 4015 days #4
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Merry Rated X-Mas to all.

12-23-13  12:17pm - 4017 days #5
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He was already obsolete when I started watching porn decades ago. However, he definitely was an influence on the way we see our smut today. Not a nice guy but back then being nice was not going to cut it in the porn world.

12-19-13  11:52am - 4021 days #2
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I almost never shop at the big box stores but guess who actually did ... at Target ... using their debit card ... about two weeks ago. Thinking about just having the bank cut me a new debit card at this point. Merry x-mas to me.

12-14-13  01:29pm - 4026 days #4
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Man, in the other thread on this topic I think I wagered three of my badges that it'd be going by the New Year. Looks like I'm about the get demoted in the PU army

One thing I've been thinking about and would put out there as a request for the new site(s) is the possibility of having a "like" button. Yeah, I know it's waaaay overdone on social media but sometimes I read a review or comment or forum posting and don't really have anything to add but I'd like to give the author a tip of the hat for their effort without writing a response. Maybe I'm just being lazy but it might generate more interest in the new sites if people can at least get some positive feedback even if people aren't taking the time to write responses. My guess is that I'm not alone in taking this position. Anyway, just a request.

12-12-13  12:38pm - 4028 days #7
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I took the survey. The one thing that was a bit unusual was that you are supposed to take 5 minutes to write about a porn scene you've recently seen but there are no directions as to what to write about. Not sure about that one. The last page has some explanation about what the research aims for (here's what it says):

What was this study about?
This study was an investigation into the possible impacts pornography consumption has on self-concept. It's aim is to explore the possible effects sexually explicit material has on an individual's self-esteem and body image. It is not assumed that pornography always has a negative effect on one's self-concept, so this study aimed to explore the possible effects it could have.

Why is this important to study?
There is well-documented research outlining the negative effects of portraying thin women and well-defined men in magazines and music videos. Comparing oneself to the appearance 'ideals' portrayed in the media can have negative effects on one's self-worth, self-esteem and general confidence. As there is not as much research exploring the possible impacts pornography has on one's self-esteem and body image, this study aims to expand the research in this area.

How was this measured?
There were two different versions of the questionnaire you have just completed. You may have been asked to describe an action film that you have recently seen or asked to describe a sexually explicit video before answering questions about your self-esteem, body image and sexual attitudes.
The study was designed to test whether recalling a sexually explicit video would lead to changes in self-esteem, body image or sexual attitudes. I am also interested to find out whether people who view more pornography in everyday life tend to have higher or lower self-esteem and body image.

12-10-13  12:32pm - 4030 days #12
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I agree with the original opinion in that 720p works just fine for me and even though I dig pics I don't really need 5000 pixels to get the point across. I mostly take this position because I don't want to be loaded down with external hard drives, not to mention paying for them even though they are relatively cheap now a days.

The only argument I really see against this is if you're taking the future into consideration. When I was a kid we had a 19" tv which was fine, I couldn't imagine having a really big one in the space we had (aka - a 30" tv). Today, I can't imagine regularly watching the tubervision on anything less than a 40" HD model (I hope that's not because I'm "going blind") in a space about the same size as we had when I was kid. In the not distant future you're going to find your desk is monitor, you can roll up and stick up a mat on any wall to be monitor, hell - you're going to find entire walls that are monitors at prices that won't entirely break the bank. The future for vids and pics will probably be even more supersized than today. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I guess I don't expect the porn to better or be more meaningful if I can see a closeup of a vagina the size of a refridgerator so I'll stick with my wimpy small collection that looks fine on a 23" monitor.

11-22-13  01:08pm - 4048 days #3
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Touche to Khan. Actually it is sort of a cool idea but one that's not ready for prime time. Porn sites advertise on other porn sites and places like this because that's where they're future client base hangs out. Porn sites pay a referral fee for each paying client that comes from the referral site. In effect the system in place is a bit like Groupon in that sense.

However, a Groupon type site wouldn't really work for porn, at least in my mind. First, you would need a trusted clearing house (aka - a Groupon like site) that a consumer would trust to turn over their credit card info and trust that they get refunded if the minimum number of "buys" isn't met. So far, nothing like that exists that I know of but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Second, porn is more of an impulse purchase for the majority of users that is already relatively cheap. I don't see a lot of people waiting for a groupon deal where they might save $5 or $10 of a $25 site (compared to a discount they might find here for example) when they have the time and inclination for porn "right now".

Third, the vast majority of porn folk prefer the freebies seen on tube and pirate sites as opposed to paying. If most people aren't going to pay anyway, I don't see a Groupon site changing that fact.

Fourth, quality and time are big factors for people who pay for their porn. I pay for porn because I know that what I choose download is worth keeping and I don't have to hunt all over internet hell to find what I want thus saving me time. You don't see big companies on Groupon because they already have what people want, why undercut yourself when you don't have to. I would foresee a porn Groupon site being flooded with small niche sites with limited mass appeal and sellers of crap porn that's been cloned and resold to death for the last decade. The major players who produce the good stuff at a reasonable price would probably stay away, thus limiting the draw to a Groupon like site. Porn is already loaded with rip off sites as well and a Groupon site isn't likely to be able to sort through the good from the bad, thus discouraging buyers from taking the leap into something "new" - that's why we hang out here.

Lastly, Groupon is slowly dying because the model was so easy to replicate and because merchants discovered that they weren't getting enough return traffic to justify handing out a deep discount to the masses. Porn sites are already a low margin business and they know that most users don't stick around for very long. If I were a pornsite operator I'd ask myself "why bother" when the system in place seems to be working. Edited on Nov 22, 2013, 01:11pm

11-20-13  12:49pm - 4050 days #4
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I got absolutely zero experience with valuing a website but I'd go so far to say that you should venture outside the world of porn and look at how "normal" companies that sell web only content (aka - nonretail, consumer good stuff) are valued. Traffic means nothing if it doesn't generate sales. I do know that buying a traditional brick and mortar company is quite involved and you have to do your due diligence ... definitely not something you just up and decide to do unless you got a pile of cash you want to burn.

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11-09-13  04:31pm - 4061 days Original Post - #1
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11-09-13  03:55pm - 4061 days #36
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10-10-13  12:40pm - 4091 days #8
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I don't foresee any mainstreamer going porn any time soon. Certainly no A or B level star would do it because they would be giving up way too much money and lose whatever brand they have. Hell, Hustler is always offering million dollar + payouts to less than top talent (aka "Octomom" and the like) and they never get takers. Miley is doing what she's doing because it generates publicity and publicity makes you money and serves a crutch for people who don't know anything else / better. The only time you'd see someone do this today is because their career is washed up, they're broke, mentally messed up, and lost any kind of a support network ... not something I'd be interested in seeing when the media already offers up a smorgasbord celebrity train wrecks.

10-09-13  02:26pm - 4092 days #19
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Well, leave it to me for inserting a little "random levity" into the forum

10-02-13  09:49pm - 4099 days Original Post - #1
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Alright, the forum has been way too quiet as of recent and filled with too many people saying "adios amigos" in lieu of the upcoming demise of this corner of cyberspace. Guess it's time for me take another brain dump with just a few random thoughts caused by excessive brain damage and too much time looking at porn. Feel free to add you own to this thread:

If you really like someone but can't seem to escape the "friend zone" to take it to the next level does that mean your serving time in Palcatraz?

If someone doesn't believe that they'll ever get laid does that make them a sexual atheist?

If a cop pulls you over for drunk driving can you get let off by saying "In dog beers, I've only had one ... ossiffer."

This one basically speaks for itself ... and maybe Drooler:



With all the famous tag lines movie stars have had over the years I often wonder no porn stars have every tried to come up with one. You know, some porn starlet could squint and say before every come shot "Go ahead, make my day" or something similar. If I ever started a vegan porn site -- a yet undeveloped niche that would involve no pussy/beaver eating but lots of cream fillings -- I'd make sure my porn stunt dick bellowed out this line at the start of every scene:



And, last for now, what the members of Congress are currently doing during our fabulous government shut down:

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09-25-13  12:58pm - 4106 days #21
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My last post on the matter of the transition (no, I'm not leaving) and current state (or lack thereof) of PU. Here's my take:

Participation, especially new voices, has been decreasing for quite a while now. That's just life. PU, the forum, porn, etc. have all been around for a while so that the loss of that fresh car smell was bound to cause some drop off as people get distracted by more / different online temptations. The demographic for a lot of the heavy PU contributors is pretty much white men(I'm just guessing but I doubt I'm wrong) over the age of 30; not exactly a recipe for drawing in the masses. Plus, the mere fact that PU and TBP are about porn paysites already tosses this crowd into the minority of online porn seekers. Basically, like the Republicans today, the demographics were already against us and they they aren't trending back no matter what we believe.

Participation was going to decrease by the simple fact that the weekly raffle is no more. I get why it was discontinued but the fact that it's not here any more was bound to have nothing but a negative effect on participation levels here.

In addition to the loss of the raffle, Rick got overly excited about the new digs he's building and started showing off blueprints for a construction project that is 3 to 6 months from being completed. Suddenly everyone knows that life here is going to change / end in a yet undetermined manner from our perspective. Again, this is going to have nothing but a negative impact on participation and accelerate the attrition that was going occur anyway just due to the transition. In other words, people were going to leave just because of the change; period. It's just that the process is getting drug out longer than it probably should have been and that creates even more limbo and uncertainty that isn't helping anyone.

My final take? Take a chill pill, crack open a brewsky and spin that hard drive of yours to pop up your favorite classic porn vids. Life is always changing, we're all gonna die some time, and PU is going into the internet archives whether we like it or not (I envision PU's place in the archive being sandwiched between this guy and all the internet rants from people who hate how the "Dexter" and "Breaking Bad" series ended). All will not end once we move, it will just change and will hopefully have some different and new contributors (and maybe old contributors disguised as new ones) as well as some of the current crew.

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Sorry to see you go Cybertoad. Don't know what to say that might make you stay so I'll just add that I hope to see you in the next PU incarnation.

09-22-13  02:12pm - 4109 days #27
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Good luck to you jberry (let's face it, a lot of us here probably need some operations from the neck up). Don't know your exact situation but I'm at the point in life where a lot of relatives in the generation above me have had to go under the knife in the last year for various ailments (including brain surgery). All have come out in much better shape and much happier than before. It's natural to think of possible "bad" outcomes but the reality is that you're almost always trading short term pain for long term gain. Keep positive.

09-22-13  02:03pm - 4109 days #2
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I seem to recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that you talked about this a few months ago. If it is for good then I say "All the best to you" and note that you will be greatly missed around here as one of our best contributors. My spidey senses tell me that you just need some time away like some of us have taken from time to time. Hopefully we'll see you again in the upcoming incarnation of PU. Meanwhile, keep on reading

09-15-13  07:22pm - 4116 days #85
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Originally Posted by Rick:


I can't put an exact date on anything yet, so I won't. I appreciate the patience, and I'll predict now that I'll be saying that a lot in the next upcoming months.


Mmmmm. I hear what you're saying but "months" in developer time is sort of like dog years. What should only take 1 day/week/month to do often translates into 7. My money says we're not looking at a new site(s) until the first of the year. Unless you know everything is going to click with the new site very soon I'd make a point of saying it's going to be business as usual around here for a while so those PUers who are holding back in anticipation of a new site know to let it all hang out here. Any over / under takers on the New Year launch? I wager 3 of my badges on a 1/1/14 launch, after all we don't really need no stinking badges around here any more

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I do agree that that a lot of sites are becoming more "mixed" now in terms of soft / hardcore. For me, I actually like it since I do like hardcore and it adds more variety to a site and from my perspective too many of the softcore sites get repetitive in terms of the way they shoot their material.

I sort of equate Messmer's problem of being in the minority ("minority" in terms of taste for quality softcore as opposed to rest of the hardcore driven crowds of the web in general) to my interest in photo sets over video. I can't count the number of times I've seen a great photo set or model and had my interest squashed by a lousy video of the same shoot (endless monolithic moaning, asshole male actor, director giving verbal cues, etc.). Yet, far too many sites are just now just using pics as "filler" material with little regard to size, lighting, using screen captures from less than stellar video quality, cropping and selection of shots. I bitch about this all the time but there isn't a lot I can do short of limiting my memberships to a few sites because I know the economics of the biz call for video ... followed by more video and everything else be damned. It's sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Without more revenue sources the sites I like might not make it yet in order for them to make it make they don't put as much effort into what should be an easy fix. Majority rules.

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Regarding Rick's point(s), yeah it was inevitable that you'd catch some crap. It's a lot easier to complain than praise when you don't have any skin in the game and when you suddenly find out your little community is going to have some big changes (of yet undetermined proportions at least from our end) imposed on it. If you've ever lived / worked in a small town it wouldn't have been a stretch to imagine that even small changes to the status quo can generate more conversation/derision/joy/etc. than one would imagine. I'm not terribly nostalgic so for me it won't be the end of the world and the changes will probably be a good bookend for me since I've had less and less time to spend in this section of the internet world.

I do agree that changes needed to be made otherwise PU/TBP would eventually become another outpost relying on decreasing amounts of referral $$ like the tube sites run by some guy who sits in his underwear all day and lives in his mom's basement (I assume Rick at least wears footsie pajamas while on the job). I'm sure we'll all get adjusted once the change occurs and hopefully the situation will be better for all once it does.

The only thing I would have done differently is waited until the "mockups" were closer to implementation. I remember the whole change from TBP 1.0 to 2.0 took a lot longer (6 months or so) than expected and since this is even a bigger jump both literally and figuratively then I would have said it is best to take the inevitable pain in a short term dose before everyone finally gets readjusted in their new home. Never doubt Khan ... unless he's battling Kirk.

09-05-13  01:23pm - 4126 days #19
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Thanks for the kudos man. I'm still lurking here in the background but, as you have noted, I'm sort of waiting to see what roles out on the new site(s) rather then spending much more effort here at the moment. I plan to do as the Doors did and "break on through to the other side" when the time gets here but I doubt I'll ever be as active as I was several years ago since my free time is more limited (which is a good thing overall). Hopefully the new site will entice more users to engage but I guess we'll all see.

08-24-13  11:43am - 4138 days #12
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Here's how I would tackle your questions. First, what we most want is quality content. I'm willing to overlook a site's look if it has good stuff. Billing processors matter but mostly only to us who have been around a while and been burned a few times -- we all love ccbill and some of the larger ones because they have their sh*t together. As long as your prices aren't totally out of whack with the competition then we aren't terribly price sensitive so long as you got good stuff. Updates? As many as you can pump out is what we want. On a small niche site 1x per week is the bare minimum. If you're just starting out and have a small collection then think about more updates in order to grow the site -- small collections get you dinged when it comes to ratings at PU, TBP and some other review sites.

Basically if you're going to run a smallish niche site then the number one thing is to be quick to respond customer issues (good and bad), don't mislead by using promos featuring girls not on the site or promising what your can't deliver or back up, don't fall behind on the quality side (don't skimp on pic sizes or vid sizes or production thinking most people won't care, we do because we also see what the big sites are cranking out), and try to stay away from "gonzo" style because that is just so over played today. Good luck.

08-19-13  12:02pm - 4143 days #2
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Hopefully this helps: Enter the Joy Mii website through the PornUsers or BestPorn website and click on the "join" page at Joy Mii. That should bring up the reduced price. Join the website (beware of prechecked cross sales). Within the next few days go ahead and cancel. You should have access for the full 30 days and only be charged for the reduced $15 rate. If you see a rate greater than $15 on the Joy Mii site then try cleaning your internet history and cookies and repeat. If you still see a higher price then that means Joy Mii uses regional pricing where they charge you more depending on the IP address the website sees coming from your machine. I don't think they use regional pricing but one never knows.

08-18-13  02:39pm - 4144 days #21
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08-09-13  12:16pm - 4153 days #3
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08-06-13  01:54pm - 4156 days #9
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Several things keep me from adopting a "stream only" preference. In no particular order:

1. Money. Why would I pay money each month for the sake of not having to download to a hard drive? It wouldn't take many months on a site before you make up the cost of an external.

2. Here today, gone tomorrow. Unless we're talking about a major studio, you never know how long some sites will be around or before they remove older material.

3. Time. Unless the site has great navigation or allows you to build up a personal profile of scenes, you then have to navigate around to find what you want. Probably easier to find on your drive unless you're a hoarder with no organization.

4. Privacy. While we all know the NSA is constantly evaluating the quality of the porn we currently download, that's not my main concern. I would expect that the longer you stay on a site the more likely they are to see you as a cash cow, someone whose information would be worth something to other sites or individuals. Whatever privacy is in place today may not be there tomorrow.

5. Pics. If you like pics then streaming doesn't really work, especially if you have jump around to find the good shots you like online.

6. Cloud storage? I've never been a big fan of cloud storage because you never know who or what might have access to it, legitimately or otherwise. If you can find an online safe house though, that's another option. No externals to mess around with while still having 24/7 access. I would expect costs to keep dropping here as well. Probably a safer route if you worry about who might have access to or find your externals. Probably not cost effective for porn hoarders though.

There's my

08-03-13  01:05pm - 4159 days #2
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I just cranked out this sucker in response to a different thread but I guess it's basically the same response here. Woo-hoo, 2 posts for the price of one:

"For "us" I think it's safe to say that porn is in something of a doldrums phase right now. By "us" I mean those of us who have been around the porn block a few times and have collections going back years which are consuming terabytes of external drives. We've seen all the big sites and the niches we like. We want quality (HD, big pics, good navigation, etc.), we want original content, we want a steady supply of updates and we want it at a reasonable price.

When we first discovered on line porn we ate it all up at first (especially before the days of PU / TBP and other on line guides), got burned sometimes but still came back for more. Now, we sort of have the attitude of "been there, done that" and the thrill of the chase has diminished accordingly.

There are sites out there featuring models and content that I like but I really don't go there because the quality isn't very good or the sites are almost dead in terms of updates. I'm unlikely to dive into some new site because they don't have enough content or because I don't know what the hell it's going to be like so I wait for a review or two to come up here or somewhere else. So, in a way, I've become self limiting in terms of what I'm willing to pay money to see and I think a lot of us are that way.

Also, the porn industry has matured with bigger studios pushing the smaller ones out while the gobs of free / pirated porn make it harder for everyone in the industry to make a buck. The porn industry led the tech charge for a while with online charge systems, video playback and other gizmos but no more. The low hanging technological fruit have been picked so now it's just a question of looking for new models and gimmicks (parody porn, bad 3-D, pricing schemes, etc.). Porn is still a cheap and easy business to get into but giving "us" what we want is harder to do on a budget.

To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always so good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems". The early days of radio had lots of variety and participants but it was pretty much of a local ilk and wasn't on for much of the day. The early days of cable were cool because they had pro wrestling, some sports and a lot of movies; stuff that today is pretty ho-hum. Porn is still getting cranked out, every year more gets produced than the year before and even more sites come out. Most of it is vanilla to "us" because vanilla is what most everyone else wants (or what the producers think everyone wants). "Us" have essentially graduated from the McDonald's of porn to the world of fine dining where the offerings are fewer. In this sense, the "us" of PU have created a trap of our own making while the porn industry as a whole isn't really offering us anything new and great to reach out and grab onto.

So, I say that porn is not dead and never will be so long as human beings have a sex drive. The industry as a whole has plateaued but will probably take off again as newer and better technology (3-D, holographics, etc.) comes along at reasonable price points."

08-03-13  01:00pm - 4159 days #13
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For "us" I think it's safe to say that porn is in something of a doldrums phase right now. By "us" I mean those of us who have been around the porn block a few times and have collections going back years which are consuming terabytes of external drives. We've seen all the big sites and the niches we like. We want quality (HD, big pics, good navigation, etc.), we want original content, we want a steady supply of updates and we want it at a reasonable price.

When we first discovered on line porn we ate it all up at first (especially before the days of PU / TBP and other on line guides), got burned sometimes but still came back for more. Now, we sort of have the attitude of "been there, done that" and the thrill of the chase has diminished accordingly.

There are sites out there featuring models and content that I like but I really don't go there because the quality isn't very good or the sites are almost dead in terms of updates. I'm unlikely to dive into some new site because they don't have enough content or because I don't know what the hell it's going to be like so I wait for a review or two to come up here or somewhere else. So, in a way, I've become self limiting in terms of what I'm willing to pay money to see and I think a lot of us are that way.

Also, the porn industry has matured with bigger studios pushing the smaller ones out while the gobs of free / pirated porn make it harder for everyone in the industry to make a buck. The porn industry led the tech charge for a while with online charge systems, video playback and other gizmos but no more. The low hanging technological fruit have been picked so now it's just a question of looking for new models and gimmicks (parody porn, bad 3-D, pricing schemes, etc.). Porn is still a cheap and easy business to get into but giving "us" what we want is harder to do on a budget.

To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always so good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems". The early days of radio had lots of variety and participants but it was pretty much of a local ilk and wasn't on for much of the day. The early days of cable were cool because they had pro wrestling, some sports and a lot of movies; stuff that today is pretty ho-hum. Porn is still getting cranked out, every year more gets produced than the year before and even more sites come out. Most of it is vanilla to "us" because vanilla is what most everyone else wants (or what the producers think everyone wants). "Us" have essentially graduated from the McDonald's of porn to the world of fine dining where the offerings are fewer. In this sense, the "us" of PU have created a trap of our own making while the porn industry as a whole isn't really offering us anything new and great to reach out and grab onto.

So, I say that porn is not dead and never will be so long as human beings have a sex drive. The industry as a whole has plateaued but will probably take off again as newer and better technology (3-D, holographics, etc.) comes along at reasonable price points.

07-29-13  12:05pm - 4164 days #4
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Nice idea but not legally do-able. It's sort of like saying that since you're favorite tv show is no longer on the air that you are then free to do what you want (aka - make as much money as you can) with the recorded episodes you have. Not gonna fly as much as we would like it to. Someone always owns the copyrights (aka - make as much money as you can).

07-26-13  12:34pm - 4167 days #24
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Superficially I can see where an "opt in" program for porn searches would be acceptable in terms of limiting kids' exposure to it and shutting up the uptight religious nuts who complain about current "everything goes" model we have right now. However, it only takes a few seconds to start conjuring up all the bad ju-ju that is bound to happen.

1. Not a lot really changes: Porn companies adapt so that their sites still come up in regular searches. Companies may also limit previews in order to disguise their wares (not good for us).

2. Another waste of tax payer $$: Some government agency has to buy a bunch of hardware / software and start filtering. Australia already does (or recently did) filtering and the results weren't pretty to say the least. Legitimate companies get pushed from the regular web, work arounds are too easy, people link into servers outside the country, etc. etc. Meanwhile you've created another bureaucracy whose sole mission is to protect and expand it's turf, increase it's budget and stay alive indefinitely while ultimately not really doing the job it was tasked with doing. Yay.

3. You've created another database for the government to track your online activity. How long before this gets abused, gets hacked, or otherwise shared with other government branches who can use your activity as blackmail (official or otherwise)?

4. You actually decrease national security. The more content that is blocked from the internet, the more people are likely to try and find a work around especially with something as universally desirable as porn. I noted this in the "Free Speech and Porn" thread before. The more government restricts then the natural reaction is for people to get more creative and secretive about what they do online. Encryption increases (very expensive and time consuming for the gov. to crack hard encryption even if they capture it) as do other work arounds. As more people start to move into a secondary web system you also lose more control over being able to monitor and regulate it.

5. All of this results in a mess with root cause being politicians who like to pick the low hanging fruit of "protecting children" or "moral decency" for cheap political points while in fact the result will be a bunch of wasted time and money and future abuse waiting to happen while nothing really changes.

07-26-13  12:09pm - 4167 days #48
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Originally Posted by Khan:


All I can do is give you my assurance that something *is* going on. More than that, I cannot say so I fear you won't have your "evidence".

Sorry I couldn't help more at this time.


Sounds like TBP is spearheading the charge into the elusive search for dark matter or string theory physics (insert porn joke about "dark matter" / "string theory" here) ... we know something is going on but can't prove it. Either that or Rick has jumped ship to the dark side and is collaborating with the secret FISA courts ... something is going but we'd have to kill you if we told you. Under either premise it would make a cool novel.

07-17-13  11:46am - 4176 days #2
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07-09-13  01:58pm - 4184 days #7
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Yeah, the era of big budget porn has been over for a while. Quite frankly, if there were 2 sites with comparable content but one featured more "exotic" settings I'd probably choose the one with the better price. About the only time you see authentic sets any more is with the parody shoots and with some of the top porn stars at major production companies.

However, it doesn't cost much to be creative and it doesn't take big smarts to figure out how to put together a decent shoot. I'd pay more money for that over a set any day.

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