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06-27-08  03:44pm - 6021 days #15
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06-21-08  04:34pm - 6027 days #16
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06-21-08  04:27pm - 6027 days #8
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Originally Posted by TheRizzo:


I have never been able to sign up for a solo girl site thinking the ammount of content given for the cost just isn't worth it.


I'm with Rizzo here. Personally, there have only about a few solo sites I'd be interested in joining and from what I have read and seen in the previews the quality either in pics and/or vids doesn't really justify the cost for me. To be worth it, unless there was a hot deal, I'd probably be more inclined to go for a network. For me though I tend to like variety so unless the quality is good I'm not likely to be joining solo sites real soon.

06-17-08  11:41am - 6032 days #8
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06-16-08  12:08pm - 6033 days #3
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06-13-08  12:49pm - 6035 days #27
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06-13-08  12:39pm - 6036 days #8
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


My general policy towards sites like that is I believe in TANSTAAFL and run away from it like it is a catapulted cow.

(Bless Robert Heinlein and his strange, orgy saturated books.. excluding Stranger in a Strange Land: The second half of that book was terrible.)


Shouldn't you have said "catapulted bison"? Don't want to get the loyal order upset with you ;)

Otherwise, I avoid places like that too. I basically assume they are spam generators and probably virus havens as well. Edited on Jun 13, 2008, 12:51pm

06-13-08  12:37pm - 6036 days #6
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06-12-08  12:56pm - 6036 days Original Post - #1
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Just wondering if there are any websites that have now shut down that you enjoyed visiting before? Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:17pm

06-12-08  12:44pm - 6036 days #25
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06-11-08  06:45pm - 6037 days #9
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Man I remember paying $20 or more for some of the magazines back in the early 90's. Sad to think how much coin I wasted on that stuff that I don't even have any more. Honestly, who has actually kept any of their mags from the pre internet days?

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06-10-08  03:47pm - 6038 days #10
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06-09-08  12:06pm - 6040 days #15
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06-06-08  03:20pm - 6042 days Original Post - #1
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06-06-08  03:08pm - 6042 days #19
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06-06-08  01:47pm - 6042 days #44
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Originally Posted by splatnet:


I just found out a few facts about DRM that should be noted.
- DRM can be setup to allow the user a permanant license, and/or permanant access to the license.
- DRM can be setup to allow more than 1 device
- In the case of a computer crash etc... Your license can be restored at any time during the license time for free.
Here is a big one
- You DO NOT need to be connected to the internet everytime you view a DRM protected video. You only need to be connected to obtain the license. Once you have the license, you can watch it anytime from that computer, connected or not. e.g If your license is for one month, but your access is permanant, you only need to connect once per month to update your license.

If I offer a permanant license to paying members, that must be updated once per month, to view all of the videos for as long as they like, on up to 2 computers, and allow that member a way to easily and automatically restore the license anytime for free, would that be more acceptable ? Would you then consider joining a DRM site ?


Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with this type of DRM but only if I got a permanent license from a one time download. While it sounds like you've been in business for a while I wouldn't want join a DRM site that advertises a permanent useage license only to find out they've closed shop or changed their policy and I can't renew my license to view the material any more.

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06-06-08  01:37pm - 6042 days #18
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06-04-08  01:22pm - 6044 days #34
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Originally Posted by splatnet:


Thanks Wittyguy

Some actually can't deal with it because they don't have the money that Microsoft does. If I had hundreds of thousands to spend on lawyers to chase these guys, internationally, I would have much less of a problem.



Actually, the porn producers are probably going to have to band to together to make some sort of legal consortium as I doubt any one porn company really has the resources to go after people at a Microsoft level. However, I don't think the legal effort would have to be as exteme or intense. Just threatening to publish names of illegal posters would probably shut a lot of people up. All it takes is some publicity about outting people posting porn and the general public would start getting the hint (who wants to have their name associated with illegal porn use).

As for being concerned about protecting your property like a software licensing agreement, this just recirculates the question about your views on the intellectual property of porn -- do consumers get to keep it or just look at it. I think my prior post suggested that technology might save the day in the future but for now you're going to have to weigh the costs of using DRM.

At a practical level, you could consider banding together with other site owners to offer some sort of multi site membership that might help offset some of your losses with access to more content. Again, there is the money trade off but if you're losing so much right now as a stand alone then I don't see how this would hurt much more.

06-04-08  12:32pm - 6045 days Original Post - #1
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06-04-08  12:24pm - 6045 days #30
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I think Khan has basically identified the issue from the porn producers perspective: either the consumer is buying the right to the content or buying the right to view the content for the length of the membership.

Upon reflection I think the DRM debate is more akin to the software industry rather than the music industry. In the music industry, artists and producers have multiple revenue streams (cds, singles, concerts, advertising, etc.) which is not really possible in the porn world.

In the software world, a lot of what we use on our computers we don't technically own, we only have a license to use it (read the fine print on your software and download agreements). Microsoft, Mac and all the other software companies get ripped off everyday by pirating yet they still manage to make money. While pirating has a more immediate impact on small to medium sized companies (just a guess) they all have to deal with it and somehow manage to do so.

How do the software companies do it? I remember about a 10 years ago Microsoft started going after businesses that would buy one OS and install it on every computer. After this started hitting the news a lot of people fell into line (sort of what the music industry has been trying more recently, rather unsuccessfully I might add). What porn producers probably need to is start chasing some of the free download sites that have heavy pirated content. Will this stop the bleeding? No, nothing will but it will slow it down.

Technology will probably be the key to solving this issue. If there is some way to license a product for personal use only then I'm all for it -- if you're worried about losing it due to a computer crash just download it to a portable hard drive. Will people find a way around it? Of course, just like they do with DRM now but the average consumer will probably play by the rules and not have the technical sophistication or the time to work around the limitations.

Having a quality product with frequent updates is what drives the best porn sites out there and those are ones that typically don't have DRM. Just like software, a good product will keep consumers coming back but you have to accept that there will always be those who won't play by the rules.



p.s. - Hats off to splatnet for having the cahoonies to post here. Edited on Jun 04, 2008, 01:12pm

06-03-08  04:42pm - 6045 days #13
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Originally Posted by Rick:


-The main issue I had (at the time) with DRM with pay-sites is how webmasters were applying it. Most would advertise video downloads, but not explain that they would not be playable if user canceled.


That is my biggest beef with internet sites: promises of unlimited downloads but no mention of DRM on the signup page or tour.

06-03-08  03:36pm - 6045 days #6
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Hey splatnet, nice to hear a new voice in the forum. I think that you have sort of identified the problem which is similar to the music industry: how does a company still make a profit when so many people have no morals about sharing or taking stuff at little or no cost. I don't think the music industry has found the right balance yet and the porn world is in no better position at the moment.

Personally, I don't share any of the stuff I download and I avoid the "tube" sites because the quality is crap and because I try and support the company's that put the material out.

With bit rates increasing the quality issue is going to go away but, like Toadsith says, I think the shift is going to move towards streaming vids only in the future which are easier to protect. This is one of the reasons why I'm more of a picture guy myself: less bandwidth needed, less disc space eaten up, and almost no DRM issues.

I have a couple of off the cuff ideas though. One, is to DRM the new stuff but let users download older material. The other is to let users download more the longer they stay members (that still allows you to offer trial memberships).

My quickie ideas won't win me any friends here at PU but I'm just tossing out a few thoughts that might help balance things out between the consumer and the producer.

Overall, I'm against DRM and think that the porn industry is going to have to get more creative about how to deal with the issue.

06-02-08  04:31pm - 6046 days #3
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05-30-08  11:12am - 6050 days #2
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I'm no computer guru by any means but it seems to me the easiest way to address the issue would be (if you have a Windows OS) to set up an administrative username and password that must be entered every time you log onto your computer. I believe that there are settings where if you leave your computer unattended for a period of time that you then need to re-enter the pass word (a time out function) but I'm not sure. Otherwise there is probably 3rd party privacy software you can buy that would protect certain files. Others will probably have better suggestions here (Toadsith would probably know).

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05-29-08  10:08pm - 6050 days #11
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05-29-08  10:04pm - 6050 days #29
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Being as tv is becoming dominated by reality shows, I think there needs to be a porn site, or an extension of one, that goes total reality with people getting voted off.

I'm thinking a mix of Survivor and reality porn and we'll call the site "Average Joe". Get a bunch of guys (or gals together) who want to "make it" in the porn biz. Every week have them do basic porn things (we need 3 money shots in 2 hours ... go for it) and have them visit various aspects of porn world and do crazy porn stuff and have them get eliminated one by one until someone wins a porn contract or gets something like that. I think it'd be entertaining as hell and something different that hasn't really been done before that I know of.

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05-28-08  03:11pm - 6051 days Original Post - #1
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Here's one that's been around for ages. To get your "pornstar" name, take the name of the first pet you had (that's your pornstar first name) and match that with your mother's maiden name (that's your pornstar last name). Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 03:12pm

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