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01-12-14  01:57pm - 3996 days #19
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


tube sites are like college keggers. You can drink your fill for next to nothing, but it's all crappy lite beer. We need to help porn consumers grow up and refine their tastes. I am definitely excited by what myporn.com will have to offer.


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01-12-14  01:55pm - 3996 days #35
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


C-toad - dude!!!!

Rick - Just one thing which would discourage me on a tube site and that is popup ads that opens another web page or pastes an ad over the content where no matter where you click to close it leads to another page. That would be a deal killer and I'd hate to see that happen.


Myporn.com will be 100% committed to absolutely no ads of any kind, including zero pop-up windows. We'll monetize through membership commissions only. Same as we currently do with TBP/PU. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-12-14  12:52pm - 3996 days #16
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I shouldn't comment about video, as I don't view them much.

As regards sample galleries.

A cross section of 10 horizontal format images per gallery would be fine.

It would be most representative of the content if the samples span the entire 'story' of the photoset.

The users would then know what format to expect from a subscription to the site.

Cap'n.


More than likely we'll have a simple script that automatically takes 10 photos from equal parts of the entire gallery. So if there's 90 photos in a gallery, it'll be photo # 1, 10, 20.. 90. Always have the first and last from each, and everything in between. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-12-14  10:56am - 3997 days #33
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01-12-14  10:55am - 3997 days #14
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


There have been some interesting answers here.

My two cents, which must be weighed low since I really have no idea what I'm talking about, is that TBP/PU and the upcoming sites actually have a lot to offer the industry. I know that most of the active members, and I suspect a lot of the people who are members but don't post, are active porn buyers. That allows you, Rick, to deliver something that not many other sites can: a group of people who are known to spend money on porn.

It's been said above, and I agree with it, that what the average tube-site viewer wants is likely different from what the average PU member wants. Sure, I'd like a bit of free stuff, but my reason for wanting it is because I'm scouting for a site to join and the free scene snippet will be a way for me to see if the content and format is something I like. To that end, I think a minute or two of free preview would be sufficient. But one caveat: make it clear to porn sites that what you have are active buyers so if they offer HD on their site then make that available in the free scene. Resolution and video quality is something that I judge in a preview and if all I get is low-res crap then I'm likely to avoid the site for fear that's all they have. Even if the site says that they have HD I prefer to see it since not all HD is created equal.

As FibiLove Co said in the post above, don't put too much thought into how you can satisfy people who only want free porn and won't pay no matter what. You've got an asset in the membership here who will pay, and in my case (and many others here too, I'm sure) who actually want to pay. What you're asking from the porn sites is simply some advertising and a free sample. They provide the free sample, you provide the paying customers. We're all happy!


Thanks for the feedback rearadmiral.

Some may feel it's a waste of bandwidth and resources to encourage the "never will pay" crowd. I see it as a challenge and an opportunity. Most of my friends and people I reach out to on a daily basis are those types. There is a market there, and maybe it's only 1% that we can convert into paying customers. Nobody thought people would pay for music after Napster either, and iTunes created a new market for people to pay for songs individually.

Membership sites are like music albums, but worse. There's a path of resistance there and a general dis-trust. Not that companies can't be trusted, but our industry historically wouldn't win any miss congeniality awards.

There's a few ways to "virtually" monetize the casual crowd without ever asking needing a dime:

1. Their simple presence is valuable. The social network and interaction will be a valuable asset to everyone. Whether they're liking/disliking movies, sharing their favorite free clips, or simply participating in the forums... this is all valuable feedback.

2. The potential of conversion. Down the road we do want to offer a "scene store" (think iTunes). Many have talked about this in the past, and I talked to so many people who would choose this payment model over dealing with monthly memberships from various companies. Organization and convenience alone create new buyers.

We want to build something special and unique. It's not only offering new features and content, but re-establishing trust and building a new culture. We started with TBP/PU and it's been very successful. Everything we've learned now, we can apply to scale higher/wider. With proper innovation and preparation, I think we can set new standards and build to heights never achieved. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-12-14  10:32am - 3997 days #13
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


Exclusive material for PU/TBP - not better but a few alternatives for those who join sites through PU/TBP. Extra pics, an extra exclusive 5 minute clip. Nothing extreme just something to encourage using and joining through your site.


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01-11-14  08:45pm - 3997 days #10
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Quite a variety of response... your on to something Cybertoad. There's no pleasing everyone, but it's good to tale all perspectives into consideration.

Squirrel, you mentioned a token system where the more u contribute, the more access u get. We're on the same page to some extent. There will be experience levels, and rewards/priveleges for higher levels.

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01-11-14  08:24pm - 3997 days #30
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Marcus, would love to get your feedback... although it's not a lot to take in just yet.

Fiblove... appreciate the input. I know the mockups don't tell the whole story, but the 5 on each page is just a sample. The actual site will have infinite results, far better than what u see now. As far as the domains, it's just for additional convenience and to add some brand for each section. The cover photo is meant for eye candy and will link to it's specific gallery. But it also acts as space for additional user interface.

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01-11-14  10:52am - 3998 days Original Post - #1
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With myporn.com, our goal is to bring consumer and in producers closer than ever before. We want the money flowing directly to the producers, as stated in our mission statement. The lack of innovation and creativity in porn is a direct result of the lack of monetization within the business itself. The circle of life has taken a harmful detour.


Here's the issue, which I'm sure most have figure out:

The cause... Tubes give all the sub-standard content away for free, the people are thrilled they live in a world where virtually endless tits and vagina cost nothing, and once in a while click an ad to keep the tubes making a profit.

The effect... the content from high quality (innovative) producers who refuse to play that game, are never front and center... therefore, are dependent mostly on boutique review sites like us to cater to the enthusiasts like yourself.


So here's the challenge:

Design a system where we're not giving away so much that producers shy from participating, and consumers never see a reason to join. On the other hand, if we don't offer enough to compete with the tubes, then nothing new flourishes and the current formula continues to reign supreme.


My question to all of you, what's the right amount of free?

Clean sites like beeg.com offer 8-10 min clips on average. This seems to be acceptable by a small amount of a decent quality sites, however I've seen a lot of discussion where it's just not enough for most.

My initial common sense says 50% of the actual video might be acceptable by top end of the industry (which won't be easy to convince) and enough enjoyment for consumers without offering the whole farm. HD quality streaming, videobox type hover scrolling. To empower the industry, we can allow them to control how long the videos stay active (say 3-12 months). Longer they stay active and the more they offer, the more attention their brand will get. On the other hand, giving away too much may also be less profitable.

So imagine a free movie site where either the first half or the second half (would alternate for each movie) of each full scene was on display from quality producers we already review often and have relationships with. Assuming our interface and features outpace the status quo, is that enough to create a new market of consumers, and interest the hardcore types like yourself?

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01-09-14  05:02pm - 3999 days #21
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Wow! I really, really like the look of this Rick!

I struggle to accept change and this won't be any different but the look and feel of the new sites will be worth that struggle. I'm sure once it gets up and running a lot of members will be exploring and posting tips for the new features. There are many reasons why I'm looking forward to spring this year (most of which centre around that fact that I'm trying to survive my 47th Canadian winter) and this update has just added another.

I'm convinced that this new site will exceed your expectations for increased membership.

One question, and I had hoped that someone else might have raised it since it is probably a stupid question. You mention this, but just for clarity, those of us who are members at PornUsers now don't need to request an invitation to join as this is automatic. Is that correct? I'd hate to miss out on the launch.

Keep up the good work Rick!


For an admiral, you're easy to please! Glad you see the vision.

Regarding your question... all registered pornusers are reserved for "Group A". If you type in your PU e-mail address into the invite form, you should get a message saying your already good to go. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-09-14  04:58pm - 3999 days #20
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Hi guys said I would be back next year, this is next year.

Ok gotta say lovin the new look.
I know I know I was quite opinionated when I took a break.
But I have been in the shadows and I am liking the previews this looks awesome.
Sorry I gave you such a bad time rick, took time ti get used to losing familiar places. But This I think is very doable.




No hard feelings at Cybertoad! You were definitely missed by many here. Makes me feel good to see this. We're working hard, and even though I always haven't been around, I'm here now along with Khan to be supportive. There's nothing else I want more than to make myporn successful and special for all of you... The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-09-14  02:04pm - 3999 days #16
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


My 2 minute quicky tour yields the following impressions:

1. Like the look. Very much a step forward over what PU / TBP has today.

2. Like the number of options and various subsites. Definitely allows for more customization.

3. Like some have mentioned, it is a bit "clicky" but given the number of subsites I think that is to be expected.

Here's a few "yet to be determined" aspects:

1. Acknowledging valued members. Obviously we had the trust rankings and points system here. Not really sure what will be carried over to the new site. It'd be nice to at least show what members have high trust votes and high volumes of trusted reviews / comments / etc without too much clicking away.

2. Too hard to find back info? I think most people (aka - not the type that really read or explore the forum here) would just center on the main page of subsite. If only 5 or 10 posts / reviews / etc. only appear without a bunch of additional clicking is that too limiting. An idea might be to copy Facebook and similar sites where you have unlimited down scrolling (more info keeps getting loaded the more you scroll down).

3. An explanation of the subsites. On the main page of myporn, on the upper left and across the top, there is a list of each subsite. Might be worth it as an initial startup feature to have a brief pop up explanation of what each site is and is for whenever you hover your pointer over the subsite icon.

4. Sort of like here at PU, it would be nice to have a member profile page. I assume that is in the works but not showing at the moment.

5. What is really needed is a Wittyguy crowd sourcing donation button that will fund my future career as full time dirty old man.

Dats all I got for now.


Good stuff... answers to the "yet to be determined":

1. The new system will have the "like/dislike" for each profile which will be accessible with a tooltip when hovered over a profile icon. You'll be able to click to the individiual profile as well. Profile will show how many "followers" that person has as well.

2. The preview site up now only shows a few mockup listings for each, but the final product will definitely show around 50 at a time with a very advanced infinite based scrolling engine. In the left sidebar, you'll notice a "page needle" that allows you to instantly browse 1000's of listings by instantly going to a specific point without ever leaving the page.

3. When hovering the site icons at the top, it should already preview the site name... but yeah it takes a little figuring out to understand what each site does. A little further explanation might be necessary, but we'll have "intro videos" for each when we officially launch.

4. The profile page will be much much more fun and interesting. There's a social network built in, where you can post a social message on any profile, including your own. It'll show a time log of all your threads and reviews, etc.

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01-09-14  11:20am - 4000 days #12
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01-09-14  12:15am - 4000 days #8
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I know this preview is mostly for looks, and maybe you've already answered this, but will any of the current forum carry over to the new PornForums?

I kinda agree with RB; the UI is a little much when it's got cursor/hover sensitive (or whatever the correct technical term is) that adjusts a lot of the layout as you move your mouse around. For example, when you move your pointer over a thread title a sub heading appears and moves all the other ones down. Maybe if you could make it expand horizontally (to the right, given the space limitations), or just have it highlight to different color text, so it doesn't appear to rearrange the rest of the page. (Just suggestions, keeping in mind I'm not a web developer.)

And one last question (for now! ): when the site is up and running normally will the list of threads and tabs be moved up closer to the top? The image dominates the whole page right now.

But looking pretty good so far, and it'll be interesting to see more interactive previews in the coming weeks and months. Thanks, Rick!


Good questions turbo!

We definitely want to minimize the hover elements as much as possible. The forum page definitely has that one column on the right that will expand the thread details if you stop your mouse pointer. However, it's something that as u learn the functionality, works well. I can understand the initial annoyance, and it might be something we tweak further.

The new forum will be separate, there won't be a good way to import the threads/profiles unfortunately. Both will run in parallel for some time.

Lastly, the tabs and cover image strategy does a few things. It creates real estate for window functions such as messages, notifications, search results, etc. The image is content itself, and will link to it's full gallery on gallerypin.com. It's consistent on every page, and the image is customizable on your own profile page.

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01-08-14  09:33pm - 4000 days #6
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Appreciate the feedback so far... RB, I'll make you a believer someday.

The new UI is a dramatic change, and took an extreme amount of planning/tweaking to get it to this point. It's like comparing an iPhone to a flip phone. We're packing far more content and features into myporn.com in comparison, and constructing an intuitive interface to make it all functional was definiltey a challenge. You'll love it Mr Buddhist! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-08-14  04:14pm - 4000 days Original Post - #1
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We JUST launched our preview site for myporn.com:

http://www.myporn.com/

These are very initial previews, designed to share with our current audience and allow others to request an invite when we're ready to go beta. If you hover near the "reserve" button in the middle of the sreen, you'll see a "pre-release schedule".

All registered PornUsers (and ONLY) are GROUP A. You will get full beta access before anyone else.

Look forward to your feedback, we will have updates every 1-2 weeks with unlocking new layers of the site. I'll continue to update you guys. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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01-01-14  05:34pm - 4007 days #6
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12-28-13  12:50pm - 4011 days #33
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Rick - thanks for giving a definite answer on this issue. I really think this will help the new site grow more quickly and will also allow long-term members to feel like they're contributing to the new site's success. I think it will be a win-win for the site and the members. I suspect the biggest risk will be in setting a cut-off date that will protect stale-dated reviews to be uploaded as new. It's your call, of course, but I'd set the limit at six months.

One final thing, and again this is just my opinion, but I wouldn't put the effort into making a feature to make it easy to import reviews. Not that this wouldn't be nice to have, but if it slows down development on other more important stuff then it comes at too high a cost. Also, the feature would cease to have any use after any eligible reviews were converted since once the new user-generated site is up and running I assume that all new reviews will go there.

Again, thanks for keeping us in the loop. I really appreciate it and I'm sure that many others do too.


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12-27-13  10:03am - 4013 days #29
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Hey guys, sorry about the delay in responding... just getting settled in again after a few days off.

We'll definitely allow for reviews to be re-posted and may have a feature setup to make it possible to easily import reviews written within X months. No matter what any reviews you post today hold value now and into the future. The main reason we can't automatically import them is because the review structure is slightly different. However, it shouldn't take much work to manually import it.

Graymane, regarding the backup of data. We can certainly give continued access to all the reviews and forum data for as long as it's desired. Even if Pornusers or TBP becomes obsolete, keeping the site available for these purposes shouldn't be an issue. We'll work with everyone to make sure such data is preserved for as long as needed.

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12-17-13  06:27pm - 4022 days #20
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		You guys are welcome and to answer your question rearadmiral as far anonymity... it's just as anonymous as PU has ever been. Keeping a civil community it a huge priority. We've learned a lot while maintaining our grounds here, and we'll applying what we've learned at myporn.com. Khan and I will be sure our technology and moderation tools are far more effective than what we have now. It'll be a bigger challenge assuming a much larger audience, but we'll ready for it. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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12-17-13  10:32am - 4023 days #15
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Nothing gets the crow into the steam cooker like a new web site announcement. (Take, for example, the US gov't site for health insurance.) All I can say is that I'm not surprised by the delay of myporn.com AND that it is completely understandable and forgivable.

I actually wonder which is more difficult between a movie production and a web site. Of course, there are movies and then there are movies, and the same goes for web sites.


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12-17-13  10:25am - 4023 days #14
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Rick said, "Our new forums will be dramatically improved"

Other than a few trolls that occasionally appear, I'm not sure what you meant by "dramatically improved". I don't have any complaints with our current forums, so what exactly were you saying with that statement?


1. User interface is the main thing. You'll have to take my word for now.

2. Ability to like/dislike threads/replies.

3. Ability to bookmark messages (in long threads for example) and access those bookmarks anytime.

4. Insert/upload photos into your posts directly from your computer. No longer have to link from another server.

5. Adjust font size.

6. There will be new forums (user forum and industry forum), and an individual forum setup for each site.

7. Ignore feature... allows you to ignore threads or users completely.

8. Polls feature... create your own polls.

9. Flag feature.. flag posts u think are abusive or against the nature of the community.

10. MUCH larger audience, the most important thing to any thriving community.

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12-17-13  10:18am - 4023 days #13
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


One question that's been bugging me since the new site was first announced: will sites/names still autolink? I find it a kind of annoying feature of the current Porn Users that you can't write a name like Nina Hartley, and not keep it plain text, like Nina Hartley, without the "Do not link" feature currently in place.

(No offense to Nina Hartley! )


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12-16-13  07:28pm - 4023 days #9
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Thanks for taking the time to give us some new information Rick. I don't fully understand how the new site will work but it does sound interesting and innovative and I'm looking forward to seeing it when it gets rolled out.

It sounds like what you'll be releasing will be unique, but please don't give up on the user-generated side of the house. I realize that things have slowed a bit but I'm sure the new sites will exceed PU. While the new features will make the site better for users, having the member-generated content adds a lot of value too. I rely on the stats and opinions from you and your staff but you guys can't address every little issue in a site review so that's where the members come in. That's a feature that is unique too (as far as I know) so please add the user-driven "Porn Verdict" as soon after the main site as you can.

Again, thanks for all your effort. Many of us have your back and are wishing you success beyond your dreams.


Your very kind sir.

To give you some more good news... "porn verdict" (the new user reviews) which will be a very important piece of myporn.com, will be released with everything at the same time. We're not releasing anything in parts, we're releasing the entire package from the start. Everything interacts with each other seemlessly.

myporn.com will be primarily driven by the community. There's a never-ending amount of content, data and reviews from our staff, but the main engine is based on users building an identity/reputation and collaborating. Whether it's reviews, sharing your favorites on your wall, voting (likes/dislikes), flagging abuse/errors. Our new forums will be dramatically improved, and producers/site owners will be far more interactive and accessible.

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12-15-13  11:17pm - 4024 days #7
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Awwwwwe wittyguy, I appreciate the faith buddy. The extra time will be worth it. It's important we get it right from the beginning. This is a much larger beast than I realized initially and requires advanced preparation. Lots of new territory for us, with little room for error.

Funny u mentioned "likes"... we'll have likes and dislikes for just about everything u can imagine. Forum posts, reviews, galleries, movies, sites, profiles, bargains, etc. Not only that, but you'll be able to add comments along with your likes/dislikes if u wish. Social is a big part of myporn.com, but instead of following your buddies like on facebook, your following your favorites porn sites.

So imagine a world where u can follow your favorite sites (and users as well) and ignore the ones u simply have no interest in. You'll log-in to myporn.com on the daily and view all the new content (and I mean a huge variety of content, not just review) from those sites you've followed. Sites that you've chosen to ignore, you'll never see a listing of any sort ever again It goes way beyond this... no company has ever approached the delivery of free movies and galleries like we're about to. Complete custom user interface that pay-sites will want to adopt for their own sites. It's all free, and there won't be a single ad to be found (all money we make will be generated exactly how we do today, from referred sales).

With that said, I can't stress enough about how much I appreciate those that have stayed loyal and kept our current sites alive. You all helped us even get this far, and we won't ever take that for granted. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Hi rearadmiral... Khan gave me a heads up about this thread!

We're working harder than ever... and honestly the new site (which we're branding simply as myporn.com) is coming along great. There's 3 of us working on it now. We brought on a new programmer to help, he's been awesome. As with all such development, there's always unforeseen issues. No matter how many projects I create, forecasting launch/release dates is not something I've ever been good at. lol I should have learned my lesson by now.

I'd say the next thing I'll be releasing is the coming soon page with a tour of myporn.com and invite signup. This "should" be available in about a month. Active pornusers won't have to worry about signing up. They'll be the first group to get access, ahead of such invites.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		To Cybertoad and a few others have who said goodbyes, I want to both thank you for everything you've contributed. Your contributions have helped guide and inform 1,000's of others like yourself. You all deserve a lot of credit.

Regardless of why your saying your goodbyes, it'll be my personal mission to renew that passion. The community will flourish like never before, this I promise. It's sad to see the discussions of a brighter future have possibly tarnished or diluted how we perceive things now.

For the others who are sticking around with anticipation, you will be the first to view the site before the general public. In fact, there's a good chance the site will be private for at least a full month before the general public gets access. You will set the tone, and help guide us forward.

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Mmmmm. I hear what you're saying but "months" in developer time is sort of like dog years. What should only take 1 day/week/month to do often translates into 7. My money says we're not looking at a new site(s) until the first of the year. Unless you know everything is going to click with the new site very soon I'd make a point of saying it's going to be business as usual around here for a while so those PUers who are holding back in anticipation of a new site know to let it all hang out here. Any over / under takers on the New Year launch? I wager 3 of my badges on a 1/1/14 launch, after all we don't really need no stinking badges around here any more


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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Witty, never lost for words are ya! I don't think I've ever peppered the word "nostalgic" in a sentence (or non-sentence). Your almost always dead on too, and everything you said is well... said perfectly even if it required a dictionary.com visit. lol

Cybertoad, I appreciate the willing to trust and understand my spotty presence within our own forum may have an overall affect on my social credibility. Forums kill my productivity, always have. Even at this point in the message, I've probably invested 20 minutes between catching up to the thread to phrasing and re-phrasing. Khan is your go to guy at pornusers, and was hired specifically to support this forum. When it comes to development or when I'm involving myself for whatever reason, I try to keep up and follow-up. Khan also lets me know when there's an important thread to check, and I will read a lot without getting involved.

I feel like there's a bit more understanding of both sides and I want to keep you all in the loop, so I'll continue to do that. Nearly every photoshop template is completed and will be ready to sent for coding. I can't put an exact date on anything yet, so I won't. I appreciate the patience, and I'll predict now that I'll be saying that a lot in the next upcoming months. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Your absolutely right e4me! What's more interesting about your post is that Shap (and his beautiful wife) happen to be one of my long time friends in this biz. He and I always had similar outlooks about the industry and business in general. Very good guy.

The initial panic was a little unexpected (Khan did prep me, he's usually dead on), and it was important to me that it wasn't blown out of proportion. I'll always have an instinctual goal to please my audience... it just comes with the territory. The feedback is important and most of it is very helpful.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		PU/TBP is far from dead... in my opinion PornUsers has been mildly successful since it's birth. TBP gets 10x more daily traffic and PornUsers. I still view PU as a complimentary yet vital component to TBP's overall appeal however. Together they've done really well and continue to thrive among a major decline surrounding our industry.

I had higher hopes for PU, and the new network installs a much smarter community driven formula compared to our existing setup. In fact, it's fair to say I'm investing the farm in a tremendously improved community based system.

We will expose the trickery's and harmful practices like nobody has ever done to this point. Each site will be labeled with a grade A-F based on such practices, with explanations as to why. Whether it's spam, auto-signups, hidden cross-sells, or straight up fraud... we'll be using our own credit cards and reporting all charges/spam 30 days from signup and 90 days. An independent forum for EVERY site will allow users (and the site reps) to communicate without censorship. I promise we'll hold all sites more accountable than ever. Whoa... kinda sounds like I'm running for High School president. Longer recess and less homework for everyone!!!

The more I talk about it all, the more I should probably keep my mouth shut. I'm not trying to cause more speculation. There's a lot of work to be done before any of this is a reality. I'm simply answering concerns that have been brought up.

Appreciate those who have stuck by us this long. We're not going anywhere and the current sites could even thrive for another few years on it's own. No doubt our sites have become somewhat stale. Minor updates and renovations could go a long way. I'll take responsibility for that. All I can do though is look forward. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Cybertoad... I get it. I'm glad you and many others have spoken out. You obviously do care. Your also half way out the door, which shows your ready to walk. I'm trying to understand exactly why.

TBP/PU still are my livelihood. I built it from the ground up and nobody will be mourning more than me if and when both sites are closed forever. But fact is, it also supports myself (100%) and 11 other partners/employees financially. Changes must happen no matter what. Otherwise everything eventually shuts down and everyone on this end looks for new jobs. BTW, all our current staff have been her since the beginning, for over 10 years and a few for as many as 16 years now. Khan and I go all the way back to 1997.

We will be moving forward for the everyone's benefit. There's no change in leadership or mentality. Fact is, we want to provide a more complete innovative site from top to bottom. We're not taking a few steps forward, we're blasting off to uncharted territory.

It's going to take time and it'll require some faith. If we've done anyone wrong in the past, please let us know. I'm here to run a business in the right way possible. We've never once taken shortcuts or bullshitted our way through anything. In an industry full of dirty money, we've never once even considered taking the easy routes.

So where we going with all this? We're working on a new type of tube/tgp that showcases the content and gives credit to it's rightful owner. We're spending our own money to signup to every major pay site and giving you a complete report on it's billing practices and customer service. Upgrading our review processes and giving users far more power and resources to report their experiences in more unique ways. More or less, we're attempting to re-organize our industry so users can learn, engage, and spend with more confidence.

These are all words right now. I didn't really expect this type of response when I uploaded the preview mockups. Since this thread began, there's so much more to now show everyone but based on the reactions, I've held off. If I've learned anything, it's that there's nothing to really get too excited about until you all can experience it completely. My original intention was to simply share a piece of my excitement and I'm sorry to those who took it wrong.

Most of the regs are here to share and help. That's the whole point right? We gave back tens of thousands in raffle rewards to show our appreciation. I don't know of another site like ours who ever paid a dime. It was never planned that way either. The raffle was supposed to jump start the site, and we left it running for many years that followed.

Point is... stay to be part of something awesome that still exists. Contribute to share your experiences with others like yourself. I can guarantee pornusers has at least 12 months of life left in it. When and if it ever goes away, it's because a bigger and better pornusers has blossomed. When that happens, I promise I'll give everyone a major heads up ahead of time. BIg things, exciting things are ahead. I hope everyone here will be a big part of it. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I'm committed to making good with our loyal users. Most will understand our decisions to start a fresh slate after the preview site launches. We will support PornUsers.com and link to it's reviews (from the new site) for as long as necessary/desired. I'm going to keep it simple and leave it at that for right now. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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It's the time of the project where I've pulled out half my half-asian hair and the result are these tiny hairs stuck in between the keys of my keyboard. All public page mockups are complete and now I'm finishing up site management pages for site reps, and back-end admin pages for staff. It's like building a mini OS... the way one module is developed directly affects a dozen others. The only way to get right is by doin it wrong multiple times. Patience and persistence.

But anyway, I noticed a few posts so thought I'd follow up. I'm 100% confident we're moving in the right direction. The only real issue is there's no way to snap my fingers, wiggle my nose, or jump into doc's flux capatitating delorian that'll instantly shoot us all into the future.

There will be more mockups to show soon. The feedback I've gotten has been helpful. We should all have those type of concerns and questions. It shows there's still care and that's important. We're a small niche community with similar interests. Everything I've learned from you guys I'm applying to the new digs. More to come soon. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Readability is of extreme importance to me, even tho the dark bg is fundamentally not ideal.

All font is a minimum of 18px, default is 24px font. To compare that with PU/TBP, our current default size is 12px. Our current readability is very poor and that's frustrating. I do think the readibility of everything whether titles, descriptions, or paragraphs will be well presented.

If enough users simply can't do white on black for any reasons, the sites will be setup very efficiently to have a white bg option (css). The reason for the black is how great colors/logos pop-out. The new network is very color based based on the content. Example, movies are blue, photos yellow, reviews purple, etc etc.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I appreciate that and I do understand where everyone's coming from. It's only frustrating when people jump to too many conclusions.

Sure It's a business first and the well-being of my staff (there's 12 of us) is the upmost concern. After that my loyalty lies with those who have been loyal to us the most which to me, is the group here. Especially those who have been her since the beginning and contributed dozens of reviews.

I'm here to listen, share, and listen. Some of you are wondering... where u been all these years? Simple answer is, got burnt out! But even when I'm plugged in, Khan has always been my eyes/ears. Fact is, running the business, building designs/concepts requires me to usually stay off message boards entirely. However, we're at a critical transition and it would be dumb to ignore the people that helped get us here. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		At the very least, we were always planning on keeping TBP and PU up and running for at least 6 months after myporn.com is public. Some may have misunderstood on that.

Spencer is the only reviewer who has transistioned over to myporn.com (review site: pornchoice) and he's been writing under the new review format for almost 3 months now. Maggie, Vanessa, and Duke will remain at TBP, but we'll probably move one over to help out Spencer soon.

This transistion (as much as it seems wasn't thought through) has been very well thought out. Adjustments can always be made, but pornusers and it's information can remain for years down the road if it's still of use. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I agree with all of that Witty and Marcus, thx for your input.

Wanted to make sure everyone knows that both sites will run in parallel for a while (in my original post), and keeping PU supported and available indefinitely is of course always an option.

I do agree about the PU username's being reserved, and it's something I'll make sure we do.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Definitely tough to read a lot of this because I genuinely do care tremendously.

I have so much to say and explain but I keep finding myself writing something and erasing it. It's overwhelming... but I do understand these reactions.

I'm going to try and figure out a way to import newer reviews, I gotta say right now it's somewhat of a long shot. Reviews get dated fairly quick and the main issue is things get sloppy when u import reviews (whether from PU or TBP) to a new system that works much differently.

PU/TBP has been a great success, but it's life as it exists now is slowly coming to an end. The brand is old, the code is sewn together with millions of different thread, and pages are stale.

There's ways to import some things, and the rest, impossible. I don't want to pretend this is going to be a minor adjustment. We're about 7 years in with PU and almost 10 with TBP. Making upgrades to them now is counter-productive to our future. Evolution has to make a bigger leap at this point.

It's heartbreaking to see a few give up already. Over 1,200 photoshop hours logged on this project, it's exciting to share even a fraction of it.

But I understand where you guys are coming from... I expected these type of questions and concerns. I will think of ways to earn your loyalty as we slowly move into the new digs. The point is to drum up some excitement. I want everyone to look at it as a new home where we'll want to design the interior with up-to-date and exciting new content.

p.s. most people have loved the white on black, but if it is a major issue (I'll preview a web version before we launch), then we'll either have an option to view a white bg or change it entirely. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I definitely understand the criticisms and in a perfect world of change, it would be great if everything merged smoothly from the old to the new. In fact, out of the gate everything was designed and branded still under pornusers.com. However as development evolved, so did the reality that a new beginning was necessary. This wasn't just a version update.

We all admit our current sites have become somewhat boring and stale. That's absolutely my fault. No regrets though, I needed a break from the business. I really do hope everyone looks at the new sites as a positive. I value you guys more than anyone, which is why it's important to share these with u first. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Thx for the comments turbo...

1. wanted to point out that jpg is fairly compressed, and the text appears very dark in that photo.

2. unfortunately it does mean everyone starts on a clean slate. there wasn't much we could do to get around this since the changes are so dramatic.

The other sites...

moviepin.com
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gallerypin.com
a tgp for 2013. galleries of 8 images also handpicked by our staff. photos deserve love too, and they simply have't received it in years.

pornchoice.com
porn reviews, completely re-designed. a major update to TBP, and will eventually take over.

trustporn.com
brand new trust reports... grading privacy, support, billing, and friendliness. never done before to this extent. both consumers and site owners will value this.

pornbargains.com
deals deals deals... site owners can customize low bargains, u automatically get notified when they occur for your favorite sites.

myporn.com
the network umbrella where you can follow all your favorite sites, and users. think facebook, but instead of following friends your following your favorite porn entities.

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An example of a user review...





few quick notes:

-yes, pornusers will be re-branded to pornverdict. merging the two together was going to be extremely challenging. we're re-building this from the ground up, and they'll be great benefits to this. the two sites will co-exist for some time.

-everyone will have to re-register, but pornusers will get a head start and get access to the pre-release version first.

-myporn.com will be the network portal, with social networking components built in. there are 7 sites total within the network.

-don't pay attn to any of the draft text, it was all copied/pasted from who knows where.



The new forum...



-this is a mockup of what you'll see when u log-in at pornforums.com, user forum being the default.

-this forum will co-exist for a little while. eventually pornforums.com will be our new home.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I talk to people all the time and it's nearly the same answer everytime... people pay for porn? Porn has basically gone napster, except people aren't stealing this time! Post-napster, it soon became an iTunes world. You could still get free music but it wasn't as convenient anymore.

To the surprise of most, consumers didn't mind paying a buck a song for the convenience of downloading only the songs they wished to purchase (and as a bonus cuz it was the right thing to do). The main point though was iTunes made it SIMPLE. Few bucks a week wasn't much to swallow for consumers, and the music industry lived on.

This, to me, is the fundamental problem with porn today... it's simple enough to get free porn, and there's no real service guiding users from the world of free poor quality previews to a world of original 1080p quality downloads. The industry has done such a poor job making that sale.

The solution is exactly what I've been working nights and weekends producing. Yes, we're absolutely getting into the free porn business. We need those eyeballs. If I'm right, far more users are willing to pay for porn with the right direction. I can't wait to get 1st crack at it...

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		First thing I did when I returned was drop the newsletter. I hated almost everything about it... banner on top of every page was an eyesore, newsletter served no real purpose, and the opt-ins were underwhelming.

I do realize the state of TBP/PU look kind of sad. I know dropping the raffle didn't help matters. I always feel fortunate that we're still generating lots of signups and have moderate activity still in our forum. Both sites are still very stable and the company is profitable.

I'm now working weekends and 12-14 hour days. The new project is bigger than I could have ever imagined. I'm very close to disclosing details, but I want to wait until we at least have official "coming soon" pages up for the new sites. At that point, I'll have some page previews and notification options.

Thanks again for the patience... and you guys will be the first to preview the new sites. I should have some mock-ups ready in 2-3 weeks. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I definitely understand your point Cybertoad. Unfortunately to get to point B, it was best to minimize expenses and re-allocate funds toward the content and development side. There were other changes made behind the scenes as well. At the risk of losing some filler participation driven by the raffle, I'm more than confident the payoff will be far greater for everyone. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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