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And yes, I'm fully cognizant that the standard protocol for universally safe sexual activity is a no-brainer for adults in the 21st century, but ultimately practicing safe sex is a personal choice, and in porn as in my private life, I quite simply just hold no affinty for fucking with a condom on. This doesn't render me a sexual deviant or reckless pervert much like banging your neighbor's wife or letting some thug bone your wife in front of a camera doesn't make neither of you such either. Got it? For argument's sake do you really think that because some dude is fucking your wife with a condom on you're somehow respecting her more? He's still putting his dick inside her isn't he? Yeah, that's some sober respect right there dude. I also fully understand that it's a fundamental pillar in the culture of swinging (I myself am also in the lifestyle my man) but in the exhibited features produced for your site they in all honesty greatly nullify what should be the elemental excitement of the activities presented. But again, this is only one opinion, however valid and true as my feelings on this subject are, they only express one person's opinion and no one else's. The bottom line remains that what I thought I was signing up for was not what I received after the check cleared and I crossed the threshold. I payed for a hardcore swingers site and ended up with the feigned nervous dross typical of late night cable.
Sorry man, but I'm speaking not only as a former customer, but as a young swinger with highly exacting tastes who also happens work in the adult entertainment industry myself. I know what works for me and what doesn't. I for one, literally grew up in the industry, my father is a former actor-turned-producer and even my parents at one point were also swingers themselves, and now that I'm a performer and have been swinging for a little over five years (I'm counting high school gang bangs as experience too, but with partners I've been steadily swinging since I was 17) I quite naturally prefer to do on film as I do behind closed doors, and I apply all these very standards to all of my sexual endeavors. This I'm afraid only heightens my insatiable criteria as I said, not only a young red blooded man on the prowl, but as a porn consumer especially, and in my perspective, your site is seriously lacking on all fronts. Take it or leave it, but my dissatisfaction with you is such that I even hated your scene on Blow Job Races.
GAME OVER.
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01-23-07 03:30pm
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Yes, I'm not denying that I have very specific tastes in terms of sex and more specifcally pornography, I do, and to you I'm sure they're a bit extreme, but they're my own tastes and I will defend them as much as you do your own. But can you for a second imagine my utter dissatisfaction when I searched for anal sex shoots on your site only to be met with but a few numbered (and lame I might add) examples of adolescent sodomy? That was reason enough for me abhor your entire collection, period!
The condom issue is another niche that I am decidely lukewarm towards. Your "In today’s society, it amazes me" comment is critically unfounded because I doubt that just because you're swinging in suburban America, you'd feel absolved from producing more hardcore action for what is essentially a venture capital business and not another one of your private Friday night parties for only you and your friends. Do condoms really delineate the boundaries of soft and hardcore sex? For me, as with many other men, they do. Perhaps what you guys are doing isn't in the same vein as other (legitimate) hardcore sites on the net, but regardless of whether you're, as stated, just "swinging amateurs" or actual professional actors in the industry, there are STRICT guidelines set that effectively ensure the safety of all performers regardless of the type of play involved at whichever kind of venue and with whatever the performer's inherit professionalism may be, these are called AIM tests and STD screenings. Do these not exist in Kansas? Hell, even non swinging, non-pornstar citizens get tested if they are more agressively active sexually. They keep the porn industry clean and alive just as effectively as rubbers do, but this I feel is at the sole crux of my entire argument, that is that 4RealSwingers isn't legitimate pornography, but a mere archival stash of mild home videos instead. You said it Bruce, you don't offer a polished streamlined website, 4RealSwingers is as soft and as decidely rudimentary at best.
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01-23-07 03:30pm
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So who am I to criticize something that you've been doing for "EIGHT" years? Simple, I'm someone who was charged four times to remain a member to your website. As someone who in no simpler terms AUGMENTED your income for a quarter of a year, I feel fully deserving to make any and all judgements with regards to what I was privy to during this period. Ironies aside, what I originally wrote was as accurate an assessment as any truly discerning former/present/future member could ever make of 4realswingers. I mean, has your website really changed that much since 2004 that you felt the need to discredit and negate my entire point of view? I didn't think so.
But like you mentioned, and I'm glad YOU mentioned it, but your "400+ photo sets and 411 videos" of self-described "non-polished non-pro" content really isn't worth bragging either man. Especially when the bulk of these videos end up blending and looking unvaried and monotonous after a while. But this is why you guys used to protect them with Digital Rights Management right? G-d forbid that anyone would actually download a dozen videos of the same boring action and become bewildered about telling them apart on their hard drives. But now that you've apparently disabled DRM, I'm afraid that it's still not worth the trouble of encouraging people to join, particularly if you're still using REALPLAYER as the default media reader. See Bruce, I WAS a member, and I can tell you specifically which episodes I did and did not watch. I sir, joined "Anna & Bruce" to see just that, ANNA AND BRUCE, not Anna and ugly girlfriends, or Anna and Joe Black Guy. So yes, I infrequently bothered to watch any videos that didn't have you as a protagonist, something which was thankfully very easily facilitated by the search options made available on the site to seek specific clips featuring particular persons and sexual niches. And so what if you are only featured in half of your "411" videos, who cares, it only goes to show how unimpressive it all ultimately was that it all ended up looking alike to me. Do you think your own personal performances to be that exceptional that one might be able to distinguish yours from other dude's? And similarly, I for one don't appreciate POV shoots of ten minute blowjobs, or the same old "swingers" hot tub routines either, nor do I enjoy solo-dildo-masturbation scenes, or care for girl-on-girl action, and I'm most especially turned off by seeing black dudes fucking white women the most. And before you [incredulously] call me a racist, I'll save you the trouble because it's none of your business if I am or not, so BFD!
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01-23-07 03:30pm
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#1 and only #1 - I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYTHING WRONG!
Countering my admittedly BLATANT generalizations made about "Viagra, Oprah, 'MODELS', and Condoms" doesn't change the fact that this is how this reviewer perceived your content. PERCEIVED! At no moment did I explicitly say that you guys used or did or were guilty of any of these things, but simply stated this as a tongue-in-cheek device to illustrate the point I was trying to make. Any normal person with even a minutely adequate sense of humor could've picked up on the fact that these statements were said with earnest levity and irony. The fact that you've chosen to dwell on them is I'm afraid, your own problem and NOT MINE! And you say that you don't use Viagra, bravo!, good on you man, but lot's of people do, so who cares. My point of reference was ONLY to give an example of how I observed your content: slow, boring vanilla, or I suppose what you'd erroneously classify as "Amateur" right? Is it a harsh and unfair asessment? totally, but BFD, BIG FUCKING DEAL, get the fuck over it dude. The Oprah bonbon comment was clearly meant less seriously than how you've taken it and only illustrates your own issues and insecurities with receiving criticism. Grow up!
As for this argument about hiring "Models", I never once used that specific term SPECIFICALLY but I did however say that you [hired girls] so I'll at least give you that one, and only that one, but you MUST first go back and re-read my review, it is quite obvious that I merely mentioned these [girls] to point out their physical ordinariness and nothing else. But I must say though, that in this case I'm glad that they do indeed work for free because even at a dollar a dozen they're not worth the price of a cup of coffee, let alone a month's membership to your site. And so what if you don't compensate your network of swinging friends, neighbors, or whatever you want to call it, that still doesn't change my critique, consented work or not. As a porn viewer, your so-called "friends" are simply the cast in the production. Do I care that you've been swinging together since 1907? Nope. Did I even care enough to click on their respective banners featured on your site and more pressingly do I care about any of them now? Nope and nope. (And you say that I wasn't a member huh?) Your responibility was not to question whether or not I was a member because of my review, but rather accept my (and all criticism for that matter) as constructively as possible and evolve from it. You should learn to VALUE your past and present members and E[VALUE]ATE their commentary to address the issues and situations that arise from them if you wish to attract subscribers in the future. Instead you've proven yourself to be above the fundamental purpose of this "review website" in that to your knowledge 4RealSwingers is in no need for improvement or further evolution. And sadly that's your own undoing.
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01-23-07 03:29pm
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WOW! An impassioned-yet-unjustified reply from a disgruntled hypersensitive webmaster . . . never thought I'd be getting one of these. But now that you've clearly taken the initiative to seek out any (if there HAD been any other reviews for your awful site other than mine) and worse, even had the audacity to wrongfully attempt to discredit my so-called "comical" and uniformed review of said, AWFUL AWFUL WEBSITE, I too will counter your reply POINT BY POINT in the same manner with which you've tried to question the basis and criterion with which I've judged your site. But before I continue further let me first preface the rest of this reply by inviting you to contact me personally via private message here on Pornusers so that I may give you the transaction information of the membership subscriptions from not only 2003 sir, but like I stated, my foolish rejoining of a second time in 2004. If the case turns out that you don't keep records of past members, I'm more than 100% positive that my VISA V.I.P. concierge can more than vouch for my having been a member to your awful site and put your INARGUABLE suspicions to rest. Or better yet, through the billing system utilized when signing up. Of course, I shouldn't even be putting myself out there in this capacity, but you've accused me of never having been a member, thus putting into question my integrity as a reviewer here on Pornusers and that sir is an unfair blow serving only to appease your obviously hurt ego. So unless you can be 100% certain that I (or anyone else who reviews your site(s) here were never members) take these words as the opinions of people who at one time inflated your and your wife's bank accounts and have earned EVERY RIGHT to comment as they see fit and just. And unless you will be reimbursing me with my assets, then trust that I was a member during the periods I've already expressed in my review.
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