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insomniacxxx (0) 01-04-18  12:04am
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WARNING: shady af

I've been member off and on a bunch of times, always been love/hate but never truly scammy. But recently I was charged about $60 for no apparent reason by their billing processor/customer victimizer. Investigating, here's what I found: I had been opted into a "sister site" called rkcams.com. I've come to be fairly distrustful of RK by now so I always closely examine every screen when signing up, for the dreaded pre-checked cross-sales. I don't believe that's what this was, I think they just created an account without my consent. And without sending me any sort of confirmation email, info, etc. Just a liability in my name, putting me at risk. Like those fake Wells Fargo accounts but with naked ladies.

In any case, at some point, someone (not me) ran up $60 in minutes (or whatever). I had to make multiple phone calls and the final call to rkcams support sounded like someone sitting in her apartment. Wasn't too difficult to get a refund, but (a) it did take some arguing (b) obviously I shouldn't have to deal with this at all (c) the accounts at rkcams are obviously not secure and yet somehow have my debit card on file, and (d) all of this is at best laughably unprofessional and at worst an actual scam. I couldn't get much info about how this person was able to use my card. E.g. can they see my card data? or is it just pre-authorized for a site they signed me up for without my consent? So I'm going to have to cancel my card now, too. The woman I spoke with basically seemed like "yeah you ran up a bunch of minutes and now you want a refund. ugh, fine." At every stage, an absolute refusal to even acknowledge the possibility that someone else had done this and I wasn't lying.

It's such a shame, but at this point my advice is to steer WELL clear. Not because the content is no good (it's some of the best). Not because the site is difficult or lacking in features (no complaints there). Not because I had a hard time with customer support (ok that one is somewhat true). My advice is to steer clear because the company appears to have no scruples at this point, and you will be putting yourself at risk that you may not even realize. Like what other info did they just give away?

If they ever go under from piracy, I might go under from pointing and laughing.

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rearadmiral (0) I've had this problem three or four times too. I can't say for sure that it happened with a RK subscription but that is entirely possible because I do subscribe there once per year or so.

My experiences have all been different from yours though. My experiences have all been that I call the biller and I get something like the attitude you got but then I get transferred to another department and things change quickly. My impression is that whoever I'm speaking with at this other department can see the logs from the cam session because each time I've had the reply 'yeah, I can definitely see that this isn't you.' No one has said this, but it's been implied that people with hacking skills will use these cam sites to speak with family or friends around the world. In all cases I was given a prompt refund.

Also in all cases I have asked the specific question about whether or not my credit card information was hacked too and each time I get the same answer - your card information isn't linked to the cam site. In the several times I've had this happen there has been no evidence that my card was hacked too.

In my opinion there are two problems. The first are sites that create these free cam sites for their members. If I wanted to join a cam site I would. But like ads, I suspect there is enough uptake to warrant doing it this way.

The second problem is that these cam sites must be pretty easy to hack. It can't be cheap for the cam providers to have their sites hacked regularly.

As much as this is a pain in the ass, and trust me, I know it is a major pain in the ass, it is likely that your card is safe.

01-04-18  10:30am

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elephant (0) Blimey this is awful news, I really liked this site also, I'll stay away now for sure. Thanks for the warning. I agree I'd join a cam site if this is what I want, don't need porn sites to create accounts for me.
01-06-18  01:51am

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malikstarks (0) REPLY TO #1 - rearadmiral :

They used to use epoch as their biller, but since they got bought out by mindgeek (company behind Brazzers) they've used Probiller, who i've personally not had problems with (though it's been awhile) but have seen enough horror stories to know they aren't completely legit either. I was planning on going back but not now.
02-14-18  04:06pm

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benmar51 (0) REPLY TO #3 - malikstarks :

It is an EASY thing to SKIP Probiller (or any "shady" biller) and use Epoch. . . On the Probiller sign-up sheet, just make a mistake on your credit card info (I usually use an expiration date 1 month past the actual one). . . After a couple of rejections by Probiller, you will AUTOMATICALLY be redirected to the EPOCH page. . . I`ve used this maneuver a dozen times. . . IT WORKS!! - of course, Epoch has to be listed as the primary or secondary biller. . . For my money, Epoch is the most honest, easiest-to-work-with, porn site biller out there.
05-23-18  08:59pm

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