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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
Movie theaters are hurting. I would like to see a movie in a theater. But several problems: I'm afraid of getting the virus. The pain and chance of dying are not worth the risk. Movie prices are high. So I will wait for the movies I want to watch to be on DVD or other venues. --------- --------- Variety Sep 16, 2020 7:00am PT After ‘Tenet’ Stumbles and ‘Wonder Woman 2’ Moves, Movie Theaters Brace for Rough Fall By Brent Lang, Rebecca Rubin The ShowRoom Cinema in Asbury Park and the Beach Cinema in Bradley Beach got the greenlight to reopen at the end of August when New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy lifted restrictions on movie theaters. Mike Sodano, who owns both venues, says that even though he can turn on the marquee lights again after dimming them for roughly six months, he’s hesitant to start welcoming back customers. “Movie theaters need three things to sustain themselves,” says Sodano. “They need profits, they need people and they need product. Well, this pandemic has affected all three.” Sodano isn’t sure when he’ll begin making moves to reopen. The box office performance of Warner Bros.’ “Tenet,” the Christopher Nolan science-fiction epic that many exhibitors hoped would lure audiences back to cinemas during the coronavirus, has done little to assuage his anxiety. The film earned a meager $6.7 million in its second weekend, bringing its domestic haul to a disappointing $29.5 million. Related Stories VIP Tepid ‘Tenet’ Box Office Reflects U.S. Audiences’ Fear of Theaters Jason Momoa Slams Warner Bros. Amid ‘Justice League’ Investigation: ‘This S— Has to Stop’ “‘Tenet’ is a big movie, Christopher Nolan is a big director, and Warner Bros. is a big studio, but there’s one thing they can’t control, and that’s their audience,” says Sodano. “I know this is a marathon and not a sprint, but when you look at those numbers, it does not give me confidence that people are ready to come back to theaters.” Studios seem to agree. Last week, Warner Bros. moved “Wonder Woman 1984” from Oct. 2 to Christmas, and Universal pushed “Candyman” from Oct. 16 to an undetermined time in 2021. That followed the decision by Disney’s 20th Century to delay “The King’s Man” from Sept. 18 to Feb. 26, 2021. On Sept. 14, STX added to the list of postponements, announcing it would release the Gerard Butler disaster film “Greenland” in the U.S. at some unspecified point in the fourth quarter instead of debuting it this month. There’s also skepticism that Disney will go forward with its plans to release “Black Widow,” the upcoming Marvel movie, on Nov. 6, or the Pixar adventure “Soul” on Nov. 20, particularly if theaters aren’t allowed to come back online in Los Angeles and New York, where they remain shuttered. That means cinemas will have to gamble that “Tenet” remains enough of a draw that it can keep the box office humming until “No Time to Die,” the next James Bond adventure, opens on Nov. 20. In the meantime, exhibitors are begging studios to take a look at the films they’ve pushed into 2021 and reconsider launching them in October or late September, which are now largely devoid of big-budget releases. It’s easy to understand the mounting panic among theater owners. In a business that cycles through blockbusters on an almost weekly basis, nearly two months is an eternity to go without a new crowd-pleaser. As for “Tenet,” the film may still make a profit, but it will have to claw its way into the black. “‘Tenet’ is doing about as well as can be expected, but a lot of things are going against it,” says Eric Wold, an exhibition industry analyst with B. Riley. “Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco are closed, and a lot of people don’t want to leave the house because they’re concerned. I’m not sure we’ll see a lot of new content until more markets open up and more consumers feel safe.” It’s a sad state of play that’s unthinkable for a Nolan enterprise, given that the filmmaker helmed megahits like 2008’s “The Dark Knight” ($1 billion worldwide) and 2010’s “Inception” ($833 million). The fact that “Tenet” has a fighting chance is largely due to foreign grosses. The film has earned nearly $200 million globally, mainly on the strength of its overseas revenues, but it will need to top $400 million to break even. “Where people feel safe, they are going to the movies,” said Richard Gelfond, CEO of Imax Corporation. “That’s how it’s playing out with ‘Tenet.’ The international results in places like China are really good. In the U.S., people didn’t come out in the same numbers.” For movie theaters that took the risk of reopening — implementing safety measures, orchestrating extra auditorium cleanings and hiring back staff and training them to adhere to new protocols — the dearth of studio content is a big stumbling block. Many venues say they are already operating at a loss, but they believe it’s important to start showing movies again so people will get back in the habit of going to the multiplexes. There’s a chance that some venues could reduce hours of operation, or only open certain days of the week, if attendance remains low. “It feels like distribution has kind of abandoned the movie theaters,” says Brian Schultz, founder and CEO of Studio Movie Grill, which operates theaters in 10 states. “I understand the core economics at play here, but without new product, we can’t keep things going. Christopher Nolan put an amazing stake in the ground with ‘Tenet,’ but now other studios need to follow his lead.” So far, filmmakers and media conglomerates are hesitant to take the baton from Nolan. And while major releases such as “West Side Story” and “Dune” still are expected to flicker across screens before the New Year, it’s unclear if the public health situation will improve dramatically in the coming months. Fall and winter will bring flu season, which could make customers who are frightened of the coronavirus even more skittish about venturing out of their homes as cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. remain much higher than in other countries. “The theatrical business is broken right now,” says David A. Gross, head of the consulting firm Franchise Entertainment Research. “This is an unfamiliar situation. The challenges from the pandemic are beyond the business’s control.” Faced with this kind of existential threat, analysts expect that domestic box office will drop more than 80% year over year, a sign of just how great a toll the pandemic has taken on revenues. That’s bad news for studios, but many of them are part of sprawling media conglomerates that can withstand the financial hit. Movie theaters have had to pay rent for months while taking in virtually no revenue — and their balance sheets may not improve even when they are allowed to resume operations. Many states require operators to keep venues at 25% capacity so social distancing can be enforced. That means margins are shrinking. Cinemas make most of their money selling popcorn and soda, but fewer people in seats means less activity at the concession stand. That’s made some exhibitors apprehensive about taking the steps to welcome back audiences. Nic Steele, the founder and owner of Eclipse Theatre in Las Vegas, originally considered reopening when “Tenet” hit screens. But after he crunched the numbers, he decided that he couldn’t make it work. His theaters couldn’t be profitable unless at least half the seats in his auditoriums were full, something that’s impossible given current public health rules. Also, rehiring people, training them and buying supplies to keep his venues free of COVID-19 will add to his costs, making profitability more problematic if revenues are lower. “If you open too soon and there’s no product out, or just an OK-performing movie every few months, you’re sitting there with a lot of fixed costs and no revenue coming in,” says Steele. “Your cash-burn rate is going to eat up reserves. Whether there’s one guest or 50 guests, a lot of the fixed costs are the same.” Theaters that have taken the plunge report mixed results. Studio Movie Grill, which operates in states such as Texas and Florida, has reopened 19 of its 31 theaters, but it’s been a struggle to draw crowds. Schultz says his most fervent customers have returned, but that his locations are still receiving calls from potential ticket buyers who aren’t sure if cinemas are back in business. “There’s a lot of confusion,” he says. “It’s been a slow process, and we have to keep countering the message that movie theaters are shut down.” Schultz hopes that studios and exhibitors can join together to tout theaters’ new safety precautions and to embark on a campaign to get audiences to visit their local cinemas again. But there’s one major stumbling block: content. “I want people to know that we’re ready for them to come back to the movies,” says Schultz. “But everything depends on how we all act. If guests come back in droves, then studios will start releasing movies again. If studios start releasing more movies, then audiences will return to theaters. It’s a Catch-22.” | |
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| 09-17-20 04:44pm - 1557 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
There is no denying that Covid-19 has hit theaters in such a way that they may never recover for no other reason than it will likely be another year or more before enough people are comfortable going back to theaters and can theaters survive that long with the few people brave or foolish enough to go see a movie? Can studios wait a year or more before releasing the movies they already have in the can? Especially when filming as already begun on new movies that they can't really wait 2-3 years to release. I expect that some will wind up on streaming platforms before making it to dvd/blu-ray without ever going the theater route. Will Hollywood have to change their policies when it comes to the Oscars because the rules are such that only movies released in theaters are allowed to be nominated for an Oscar but if theaters aren't open then does that mean no Oscars in 2021? What should really scare Hollywood is when a guy like me who used to buy at least one dvd each week and went to see a movie almost once a week stopped doing that about 2 years ago because most of the stuff being released was plain boring worthless shit. I think I bought about 3 dvd's in the last 18 months or so and while Ready Player One and The Meg were financial successes. I don't think either one would be considered record breaking by any stretch of the imagination. I'm beyond tired of super hero movies. I don't care to see another Fast and the Furious movie or their clones and don't get me started on another f...ing Batman movie. Disney Star Wars was by all estimate a great financial success box office wise but Disney may have killed what should have been a major cash cow with their contempt for the source material they spent a shitload or money buying from Lucas. Where are the toys from the new movies? where are the upcoming video games based on the new movies? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-19-20 10:56am - 1555 days | #3 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User  Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
Pat362, there are two new Star Wars games right now: "Star Wars Jedi: The Fallen Order" which came out November 2019, and "Star Wars Squadrons" which will roll out next month. I haven't been in a toy store in decades. That said, Disney certainly killed their cash cow. I'm a huge comic book fan and appreciate that they are making movies based on comics. There are some really good storylines in comics and several deserve adaptation to the screen. I can understand your fatigue, but there were almost no superhero movies for decades. It's a money maker for studios with the young male demographic, so they're likely to keep coming. I'm a huge fan of The Batman, so will see "Batman" when it comes out, but the film I'm most looking forward to seeing is the new adaptation of "Dune." But I probably won't see them in a theater. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 09-19-20 03:44pm - 1555 days | #4 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
I'm also looking for the new Dune movie. Great cast. I read the book back in the 1960's, and read the original followups by Herbert, but stopped reading them after his son took over the franchise after Herbert died. I enjoyed the Dune movie by David Lynch, didn't understand why it bombed and everyone considered it a failure, even Lynch himself. But everyone has his or her own personal tastes. But I am looking forward to the new Dune movie, when it comes out on DVD. I wouldn't mind seeing in a movie theater, but don't want to take the risk. I'm over 70, in poor health, so I'd be stupid to go to a movie theater. | |
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| 09-20-20 11:03am - 1554 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^^You are correct that there are two new games but if you checked them then you know they aren't based on the sequels but on the original 3 movies that are 30-40 years old. That is the problem with the Disney sequels. They didn't expand the universe so much as crap on the old one. Don't get me wrong. George pretty much f..cked the pooch with his own prequels but he at least understood the source material and toys and games were created for those prequels. Disney clearly had no idea beyond that they saw how much money George made from Star wars and their greed coupled with their utter disregard for what made Star wars great is what has brought them to here. Their most successful foray in the Star wars universe is The Mandalorian and it's still based in the old SW universe. The Force Awakens was 5 years ago and I still have no clue to what happened to the Republic with the fall of the Empire after Return of the Jedi? Why is the new Republic now the Rebel Alliance? How was the New Order created? These were things that should have been addressed in movie #1 or better yet expand the universe by placing the actions many decades in the future. It's not like having any of the original characters meant much since their on screen time together was zero and they were never key participants in the main story(at least whatever passes for a story in a Disney SW movie). At best they were secondary characters there to move the story along but in the end removing them wouldn't have done much to the overall story. There's talk of shooting a movie based on the Old Republic and that has potential but if Disney is involved beyond paying for it then there is a high probability that it's going to be shite. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-20-20 11:12am - 1554 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
What mostly killed Lynch's Dune was studio involvement in the editing process so that key elements were removed so that the movie would have a shorter run time. If you have ever seen the extended version then you know there is nearly an hour of extra content that would have greatly helped. The other is mostly directed at Lynch who clearly had a different take on Dune in some important elements to the story and these became distracting to fans of the source material. His take on the weirding way is the most glaring of all and makes watching the movie a little hard for me. I give him kudos for the way his Fremen looked as well as the worms which is my favorite version of all and that includes Denis Villeneuve's version. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-20-20 11:51am - 1554 days | #7 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User  Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
I am also looking forward to the new Dune movie. I am cautiously optimistic about the new batman as well. If the theaters are closed again the studios will most likely just go to the streaming platforms like they are doing with the new bill & teds movie. $25 to rent is sure cheaper than taking the whole family out to the theater. One thing is certain no matter what they (the studios) do, they will find a way to to make their money and rightfully so. Disney just absolutely killed Star Wars. They had so much material to draw from and they just ruined it by ignoring the continuation of the novels and making shit up on the fly. I am also looking forward to the new jurassic world and flash movie if they ever get it going. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 09-20-20 01:01pm - 1554 days | #8 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
$25 dollars to rent is twice the cost of a single movie ticket. I don't have a family to take to the theater, nor do I buy concessions. So faced with that choice ($12 ticket, $25 rental) I'm likely headed back to the theater. One of the problems with Disney and the Star Wars franchise is that they're reluctant to tell new and innovative stories. The Force Awakens et al even had original trilogy characters to get people to come to see them. They would have done better to expand the cinematic universe in a way that's new and fresh. For all the hate on George Lucas' prequel trilogy at least they tried to be original. What did people make of the Dune miniseries that ran on SYFY? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 09-20-20 03:53pm - 1554 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^What if studios decide to drop the price to let's say $15 for streaming only and $30 to download and save as a digital copy? I mean sooner or later studios will have to decide if they are willing to sit on movies for years or release them where they can make more than a decent profit. I don't disagree with you in regards to what Disney could and probably should have have done with SW but that's not what they did. They tried to reboot the original movie using new characters and bringing past ones but they never respected what those past characters meant to existing fans and that is in large part where they got things wrong. The best example of that is what they did to Luke Skywalker. The main hero of the prequels was reduced to a homicidal recluse who left clues to how to find him but never wanted to be found. Many people have argued that a lot could have changed to make him that way and if they had told that story then they might have had a point but that's not what they did. They basically made him that way without any explanation and expected us to be okay with that. How did that work with the end of games of Thrones? How many people were okay with Daenerys going full psycho? It's hard to argue seeing the success of the Mandalorian that there isn't still plenty of great stories to be told using the original timeline as a basis. You don't have to have a Skywalker in the story for it to be a SW movie. All you need is that it looks like the SW universe. That said I would have loved to see movie versions of Timothy Zan's Heir to an Empire series of books. None that I have read come close to recreating the feel of what the SW universe is like and what our main characters are like now that they have defeated the Empire. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-20-20 10:06pm - 1553 days | #10 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
A lot of people were really disappointed that Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire series wasn't the basis for Episodes 7-9. It was a much beloved book series for good reason. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 09-21-20 04:47am - 1553 days | #11 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Agreed, I have them (along with at least 2/3 of the others lol) and they are hands down the best of the former canon novels. It's so sad that they are dismissing the new movies as an alternate timeline (if what I've read about it is true so take this with a grain of salt) and are going to redo the trilogy. It's going to be interesting to see what they do with the problem of Leia. I hope they don't do what they did with Tarken in Rouge, that is just so disrespectful and wrong. Sci/fi is a tough crowd and no matter what they do, even if it's great, the fanboys will pull out the microscope and look for something to criticize. I collect Star trek models and the facebook pages for the collection are just choked with idiots nitpicking the ships in the collection for the stupidest things trying to out nerd each other. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on Sep 21, 2020, 05:02am | |
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| 09-21-20 08:34am - 1553 days | #12 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
Nerd battles, like academic ones, are so vicious because the stakes are so small.  "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 09-21-20 03:40pm - 1553 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The only thing that I heard is that George wanted to make a Lucas version of the Rise of Skywalker but only using footage that is already in the can but even if he does that. You can't unscramble the mess that Disney created with the first two movies and there is no money to shoot a new version of the sequels. The best anyone can hope is that fans are forgiving enough that they are willing to give future Disney SW movies a try but there are a lot of things that will have to come together for that to have a chance. I was on You Tube last night and someone did a small fan animated movie of Heir to an Empire. It was amateurish in looks but you could do something similar with a huge budget and I think fans would definitely be willing to see that. You could always recast every major player from the original movies and make a live version of Heir to an Empire but I don't know if there is anyone bold enough to do that. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-22-20 05:57am - 1552 days | #14 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
I also have read that they were planning to make a Knights of the old republic movie starring bree larson. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 09-22-20 07:19am - 1552 days | #15 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
From a news article dated 07/11/2020, rumors of the Brie Larson Star Wars movie: Disney Shuts Down Star Wars Brie Larson, Rian Johnson Movie Matt McGloin Posted: 07/11/2020 - 12:24 It's claimed that Disney may have shut down a Star Wars movie involving Brie Larson and Rian Johnson as well as head of LucasFilm, Kathleen Kennedy. The Star Wars info once again comes from the "future ruler of Earth," Doomcock from the Overlord DVD YouTube channel who recently offered that Disney is resetting Star Wars and that Kathleen Kennedy will be stepping down. Lord Doomcock also previously provided all those Skywalker spoilers as well as the information on how Brie Larson is being second-guessed at Disney. The Youtuber also previously offered that a Star Wars "civil war" is taking place at Disney between Kathleen Kennedy and her people, and those that are loyal to George Lucas, such as Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni. Brie Larson Star Wars Disney Kathleen Kennedy wants Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic with Brie Larson, Rian Johnson, Taika Waititi Doomcock explains in his latest video that Kathleen Kennedy is attempting to develop a Knights of the Old Republic movie starring Brie Larson that would be directed by both Taika Waititi and Rian Johnson. He goes over how a source of his filled him about a conversation the source had with a Disney LucasFilm insider, "Mr. X," about the Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic movie starring Brie Larson that is (or was) being developed by Kennedy. "My source asked if there were Knights of the Old Republic movies in development," explained Doomcock. "Mr. X hesitantly confirmed, 'That yes, Kathleen Kennedy is helming a Knights of the Old Republic film. But if the rumors are even true, the news is worse than even that.' My source asked, 'What rumors?' Mr. X replied, 'It's looking like Brie Larson is going to be in it. Word is she will either play Bastila Shan or Reven.' My source didn't flinch at that saying they already heard that, but then Mr. X replied, 'Yeah but have you heard who is directing this movie?' My source answered, 'We were told it was Taika Waititi, right?' 'Yes, he is, but it turns out there is going to be a second director. Rian Johnson.' At this point, my source lost it." Doomcock continued: "Imagine Kathleen Kennedy producing a perversion of Knights of the Republic starring Brie Larson directed by Taika Waititi and Rian Johnson? Can you imagine it?" Doomcock goes on to explain how the Kathleen Kennedy Knights of the Republic movie relates to his previous information regarding how Disney is going to reset Star Wars through a concept created in the Star Wars Rebels animated series. "Mr. X said this was Kennedy's way to sabotage the effort to destroy the Sequel Trilogy using the Veil of The Force, but would elaborate no further," said Doomcock. Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars LucasFilm Kathleen Kennedy may be out from LucasFilm and Star Wars Now here is where things get interesting as it relates to the "civil war" said to be taking place regarding the future of Star Wars, as Doomcock says sources have filled him in that a meeting was held on July 3 with Kathleen Kennedy, which might involve her stepping down and starting her own female-centric production company (as DC previously went over here). "LucasFilm received a letter that all projects being developed by Kathleen Kennedy were stopped until further notice and all the budgeted funds for those projects were being pulled," explained Doomcock. The YouTuber went on to explain that Kenndy's projects apparently being pulled or at the least reviewed didn't come from recent-CEO Bob Iger or the new CEO Bob Chapek, but from the fiscal side of things at Disney, the "money people." Doomcock also says that a big announcement will be coming the first week of September from Disney about the future of Star Wars, but offers he doesn't know if it will be good news, meaning, Kathleen Kennedy is out, or if it will be bad news, meaning Kennedy will still be in charge and the Brie Larson and Rian Johnson Knights of the Old Republic movie may happen -- again all of which depends on how the Star Wars "civil war" plays out. Worth a mention is that Brie Larson recently revealed she tried out for Star Wars, but made it sound as if she didn't get the part, so perhaps it was the Knights of the Old Republic that Disney may have shut down. | |
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| 09-22-20 11:40am - 1552 days | #16 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Yeah a lot of things are up in the air after this last triology fiasco. I didn’t mean to hijack this thread, this is honestly the first respectful discussion I have ever had with a group of people on this. Thank you all Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 09-23-20 12:55pm - 1551 days | #17 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
^^I would like to have seen a movie based on The Old Republic. I really enjoyed the games based on it, and as long as they kept Rian Johnson away from it, I would probably have leapt to go see it. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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