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| 03-05-10 05:12am - 5313 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
reviewing networks Denner has told me there have been complaints about reviews of individual sites within networks. I am inviting those who feel negatively about these reviews to state their feelings. | |
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| 03-05-10 05:35am - 5313 days | #2 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I don't feel particularly negative about it as it depends on how much content is on a given site in a network. If there is a lot, why not review the site but just note that it's part of a network? Of course, one could review the network anyway if the overall value of joining at the network price seems like a good deal. If the network has a lot of small sites without much content, review the network, I'd say. I've done at least one review of a site, StuffedPetites, but made detailed comments about other sites on the same network. I suppose if someone wants to complain anyway, let them. To that I'd just say, "So fucking what?" I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-05-10 06:09am - 5313 days | #3 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Can't pinpoint when - but here at 'Threads', as far as I remember it - wakely - about some users doing a lot of reviews in record time - and THAT question about bonussites at networks - or something - but honestly: This user got no problems at all. AND just got to second Droolers: 'So fucking what?' Some networks now has so many sites/bonus sites when joining one in particular, that those many sites can be a mess to put down in a single network review. That's one reason, too - that this user praised mbayas review of Grandpas Fuck Teens from 21 Sextury (AND made a request for Cuties Galore, also at 21 Sextury). (Both 'loyalty sites'). Apart from helpful - mbayas review here is a fine example why a closer look a different sites at networks is useful to us all... Maybe some here got a better memory than mine - and can remember that or those inputs - and where they are... And then again, mbaya: Do not give a damn......this user is staying on at 21 Sextury to grab Grandpas Fuck Teens - thanks to your review! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 05, 2010, 06:29am | |
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| 03-05-10 07:09am - 5313 days | #4 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Denner, I'm wondering if you're thinking about the recent poll question addressing multiple reviews submitted on an ongoing basis: https://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=44628 Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-05-10 07:32am - 5313 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Thanks, Khan - guess that was it. And again no harsh words from anybody - just some questions at that poll about the issue. mbaya: Like Khan states... And guess we all feel like our fellow PU, mbaya has no further reasons to get upset...did not mean to stir up anything...but the poll was there.. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 05, 2010, 08:04am | |
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| 03-05-10 08:14am - 5313 days | #6 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I can't exactly tell what's going on or why this is an "issue" here (i.e., Mbaya's question). I guess the raffle has something to do with it. Remember the big hullabaloo with William J a while back? Sounds like it might be a "lite" version of that so far. A BFD if ever there was one. LOL. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-05-10 08:36am - 5313 days | #7 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Please don't misunderstand my reasons for starting this thread. I just want a fair exchange of ideas. If anyone feels negatively, I won't take it persoanlly. I have bigger things in life to be concerned about than a disagreement on this topic. | |
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| 03-05-10 10:55am - 5313 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I have no problem with people reviewing individual sites within a network. I actually think that's the only way it can be done. 21Sextury is the most obvious because it offers more than 30 sites with one membership. There is no way that you could fit any amount of important info for each site when you review the network. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-05-10 11:46am - 5312 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:12pm | |
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| 03-05-10 12:03pm - 5312 days | #10 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User  Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
AFAIK, PU's policy is to set up separate review pages as long as the site has its own URL. This leads to differences among networks. Killer Gram has several sites that are quite different from one another (from very amateur to top British stars) but you only get to review Killer Gram as a whole. Brazzers Network, on the other hand, has lots of extremely similar sites but all are eligible for separate reviews. Needless to say, I'd rather PU offered the chance to review and comment on individual Killer Gram sites. If PU has chosen this policy and someone posts meaningful reviews of individual sites I don't see what's the problem. On a couple occasions I've received replies on individual site reviews of mine where people said they would join the network because that site alone seemed interesting. There's no way I could have gotten into so much detail about a site if I had only the option to review the network as a whole. | |
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| 03-05-10 01:16pm - 5312 days | #11 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I don't feel negatively about reviews for multiple sites on the same network and I think PU'ers should be allowed to review networks however they feel. If members don't like it then they will say so--and Drooler will kill you by leg humping and Wittyguy will immortalize your infamy in the Forum Awards! And if the PU staff doesn't like it...well be warned they have been placed in strategic locations throughout the world by the CIA in order to deal with the 'bad' PU'ers! I was a member of 21st Sextury's network recently and I never got around to a review of the network itself, just one of its sites--the perv paradise of Zoliboy--and I would have reviewed more sites if I just found the time (and the willpower) to do them. Reviewing every single site on an entire network is a little much, but again I don't really care. All I ask is that reviews have some substance to them not "Pros: Hot! Cons: None! Bottom Line: Best site ever!" As much as I like the enthusiasm in those reviews they really don't tell me much about the site except that it made the reviewer really horny (which I usually assume to be true anyway). Put a little effort or maybe, just maybe, a little thought into it and write a real review and you can review a hundred sites a week for all I care. Though if you're reviewing that many sites at a time I would think that your wrists would be pretty sore...from all the typing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-05-10 02:46pm - 5312 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
My feeling is this: If you feel that a site within a network is worth giving its own review to, give it a review. In PU overall, there have been good, substantial reviews of sites that were part of a larger network and there have been ridiculously scanty un-informative reviews of stand-alone sites. I like the substantial ones - so everyone that's doing those, keep going. If all someone has to say about a site is "It's mega-cool, has a lot of content - this model is hot!", I'd prefer to see that as a comment on the site, personally. | |
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| 03-05-10 04:20pm - 5312 days | #13 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Wanted to let you guys know our official policy when listing individual network sites. Here's the following requirements: 1. Must have a unique domain name. 2. Must have a unique tour. 3. Separate billing page. This is "basically" how we define a unique web-site. Otherwise we'd have too many garbage sites to list and review. It would take up too many resources and it wouldn't be of much value to you guys. In general this policy seems to work well. There are always exceptions where a network or AVS has a really good site users might want to review or get information on. On the other hand, an AVS with over 1,000 virtual sites would never be worth listing. We could do it on a case by case basis, but then too many judgment factors come into play and makes it far too subjective. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 03-05-10 07:25pm - 5312 days | #14 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
I think Rick's post should answer atrapat's remarks about why some "networks" have individual sites listed and why some don't. I did want to go on record that we have no policy against posting reviews for individual sites w/in a network as long as each review is original. In other words, we don't want to see a lot of cut-n-paste remarks for multiple sites across a network. But, as long as you're writing an original review for each site, we have no problems with it at all. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-06-10 02:17am - 5312 days | #15 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
Thanks Rick and Khan for the explanations. It makes sense. I imagine webmasters are already aware of this since, given the coupling between the two sites, it not only affects PU reviews but also TBP reviews. I guess other review sites follow a similar policy as TBP/PU. I know Brazzers Network is way more popular than Killer Gram but the fact Killer Gram sites aren't by far as visible at review sites despite having a similar number of updates and much more variety in themes looks like a marketing mistake on Killer Gram's part. Edited on Mar 06, 2010, 02:22am | |
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| 08-04-10 01:25am - 5161 days | #16 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I'm just curious, how does one handle the networks that aren't really networks? The royal-cash stuff for example, where some sites are included with some sites and others with others? I tend to rate sites based on all that is included with the site, however when the company has made a clear attempt not to have a "parent" site, which one do you post the review to? Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-04-10 06:52am - 5161 days | #17 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
My answer to this question is "Which site did you join?" Once could assume - with all the pitfalls of assuming - that the site that you joined was the main attraction and would best be the center of your review. If other sites that were available to you as bonus sites - which is how I would describe sites that are stand-alone but included in a subscription - are worth reviewing on their own, in your opinion, then go to it. It's a personal preference and a judgement call. | |
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| 01-08-18 01:14pm - 2446 days | #18 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I see that Onyx replied to a review that had individual sites in a network being reviewed separately. This issue has come up before, so I am reviving an old thread. | |
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| 01-08-18 01:39pm - 2446 days | #19 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
@mbaya, Could you give more details. I think very slow in the afternoon. What I mean is, what are you trying to say? You are reviving an old thread for what reason? I read the old thread, and it's a discussion with different points of view, which is natural, because different PU members have different opinions. But my take-away is that a PU member can review separate sites in a network, or can write a review on the overall network. And that some PU members might or might not object either way. Whatever. | |
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| 01-08-18 01:40pm - 2446 days | #20 | |
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Onyx (0)
In-Activated by Staff Posts: 149 Registered: Nov 28, '17 |
Edited on Mar 20, 2018, 10:36pm | |
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| 01-08-18 01:43pm - 2446 days | #21 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
One other take-away from this thread: turboshaft wrote: All I ask is that reviews have some substance to them not "Pros: Hot! Cons: None! Bottom Line: Best site ever!" I disagree. If I wrote a review like that, so brief and concise, I would be hopeful of earning at least 5 gold stars. LOL. | |
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| 01-08-18 02:47pm - 2446 days | #22 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I saw a reply to a review that was about this topic. I think that a reply can be taken as a personal attack, but a general forum topic is a better place for a discussion. Further, we have many members who never saw the thread as it is from quite a few years ago. | |
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| 01-08-18 04:37pm - 2446 days | #23 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
There is something Zen-like in such a review!  | |
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| 01-08-18 04:37pm - 2446 days | #24 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I feel like I’m stepping into a minefield here… But at least I can take some comfort in knowing that in my ten years as a member here I’ve only rarely seen something end up in a shouting match. I have to say that I don’t think I can stake out an opinion on this because the circumstances could be different for different networks. If there is a relatively generic network that has a BDSM-themed site on it I might write a review for that BDSM site separately since many BDSM fans wouldn’t think to look at a mainstream site for that niche. I was just looking through some reviews of sites I have written and I’m ‘guilty’ of reviewing individual sites on networks too. Take Nubiles Porn, for example. I was planning a review of this soon since for some reason I’ve never reviewed the network but some digging shows that I have reviewed several of the sites. One time I reviewed two of the sites from the same subscription but for the other two site reviews I’ve written those were each on a different subscription. The reviews span three or four years. As I said, I really don’t have a solid opinion on this issue, but I joined Driver XXX not even knowing it was a Nubiles Porn site. The reason I reviewed it is because as a fan of car sex and road head porn I thought I might find some there. When I didn’t, I wrote a review. Two of the reviews that I wrote flowing out of different descriptions I definitely do not regret simply because of the niche in each site. I reviewed Petite Ballerinas Fucked last year mostly because I really liked it and I know of no other site with that focus. And if you’re wondering what that niche is, the title tells it all. The other site that cried out for a review was Nubiles Casting. When this site was updating it was among my favourite sites on the internet and I wanted to share that thought. I know I don’t really want to stake out a position here, but I think if I come close to a position it is that I’m okay with reviews of sites on networks if the sites are demonstrably different or stand out in some way and the review is informative. I don’t think the commenter that started this debate intended to be inflammatory (and I don’t think he was either) and neither do I think that the reviewer intended to review all 30 Brazzers sites. I hope that Amanda and staff would step in if a reviewer tried to post 30 reviews of sites on a network that were 90% the same. Both positions are valid, and while a real value of user-written reviews is that as a prospective member of that site I can join knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the site or network. The key is having reviews that contain useful, objective and substantiated information. I don’t really care how many points a person has behind their name. They could be new with only two points but if they write a review that provides a lot of useful information and is objective then I’ll appreciate that. (As and aside, before this issue had come up I was planning a review of the entire Nubiles Porn network because there have been some new sites added and some of the older ones have stopped updating. I had contemplated a separate review for one or both of two new sites that both serve narrow niches that I like (red hair and braces) but since the sites are so small for now my plan was to simply roll them into the overall review. Sometimes what I’ll do, and I may do that here, is post a comment on the specific PU page for that site directing any future readers to the main review.) Sorry gang… I guess I droned on a bit… | |
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| 01-08-18 04:46pm - 2446 days | #25 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I will personally send you an Amazon gift card if you write such a review. -) | |
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| 01-08-18 04:51pm - 2446 days | #26 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I basically take the same position as RA... sort of - I guess but I just don't know. I think I started a thread on this once and had a strong opinion. Honestly, I forget what that opinion was, haha. I could go either way. If a network has noticeably different genres or niches that can stand alone, I have no problem with separate reviews. However, if a network has mostly indistinguishable sites, then I would stick to reviewing the network as a whole. There is no right or wrong, at least in my world. | |
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| 01-13-18 01:48am - 2442 days | #27 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
The comment by Onyx doesn't surprise me. No offense, Onyx. It's the 5th or 6th time this exact same situation has happened in the exact same context. My biggest concern is Marc's mindset now. He's the 11 year member who waited nearly 6 years before posting his first review. Here's my thoughts on reviewing network sites: I think as with everything in life there has to be moderation. I do think they are helpful. I'm a collector and for the most part have a very organized collection. A site Marc reviewed recently, Big Wet Asses, is one of my favorites from Brazzers and he listed how much content is on it as of the day of the review which allows me to look back into my folders and see how much has been added since my last visit. He also listed that it's still updating. Those are two major points for a network site since they often stop updating with the strength of the network's update schedule covering up the sites that aren't updating. Is it something that every network site needs? No. There are a lot of network sites that have reviews up that say they stopped updating in 2014 or whenever. And I think Brazzers is one of those networks that might blur the fine-line, but that's not really my place to say. RearAdmiral's review of the Nubiles network showed a very important example of why sometimes reviews of network sites are needed. I felt his pain  . I've posted those whole network reviews that end up taking 2-3 hours because you can't squeeze everything in so you start trying to decide what is more important. When I did the Nubiles network, I reviewed the network much like RA did and then reviewed Nubiles.net since it is best-known as a standalone site. One of the most frustrating parts about reviewing a whole network is using blanket statements. Like as mentioned with the updating status. Most networks, you can't say, "The whole network is updating." Instead, you have to go through and say, "this one, that one and that one are still updating, those 9 over there aren't updating anymore."The best example I can give is 21Sextury's network. I had reviews of Club Sandy, Pix and Videos and Zoliboy before 21 Sextury became a network. All 3 were full character-limit reviews, so once in a network together I had to condense 3 full reviews and 27 more sites into 1 review. So, I separated them by reviewing the network then Club Sandy since I scored it a 99 as a standalone, but as a network site, updates dropped from daily to weekly, appearances of Sandy went from often to rare, the network Club Sandy received an 82. Somewhere that 82 saved a Sandy fan who had read my 99 review with daily updates. Which I think is something that can easily get missed. What's not helpful to some, could be very helpful to others. Think we have even had polls about the different types of Porn Users. Last, and maybe this could help others, but if not that's okay too. The Kink Network is a real nightmare to review. I think it's near 50 sites total and all were standalone sites at one time. I reviewed the whole network then work-in 1-2 of the sites that I have reviewed before since that also bumps my old review for the site down and gives a newer, updated review with the newer stats and update frequency. Hope that's helpful. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 01-16-18 09:45pm - 2438 days | #28 | |
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skippy (0)
Active User  Posts: 78 Registered: May 19, '07 Location: out there |
Ok, I'll bite. Personally, I think that DISCLOSURE is the most important thing here. There are dozens of "Networks" where each site is free-standing and separate (i.e. Met-Art, etc.) and more sites where when you sign up for one site, you get 5 or more micro sites that come with the subscription. All is fair here, as long as the relationship between the sites is explained. I have observed a couple of times that TBP reviews don't always explain what the relationships are and what other sites are included. I personally have written reviews of microsites within larger networks when there is a niche involved, primarily VR sites. Naughty America and Teen Mega World, for example, both have VR micro sites in their all-inclusive network pricing. But I also think that it isn't really worth it for reader or reviewer to write separate reviews for CzechVR, CzechVRcasting and CzechVRfetish, all of which come in one subscription but have separate reviews in TBP. So for the most part, I agree that the denominator should be by subscription, but exceptions are fine as long as the reviewer explains the relationships. Oh, and one other thing. TBP generates revenue by referring people to these sites. It is like shelf space in a department store. The more shelf space you have, the more product you are likely to sell. It is not in the best interest of TBP to lump all of these networks into one space on the shelf when they can review every micro-site and get more referrals. I'm sure the sites like that, too so it might even be part of the referral agreement. All we can do is roll with it and try to come up with suggestions for improving the ways reviews are written. Skippy | |
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| 01-16-18 11:06pm - 2438 days | #29 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I believe one reason porn networks create more sites within a single network is to get more subscribers to join. Fine. I have no problem with that. TBP (The Best Porn) review section for each site does include a section called "Bonus Sites". That tries to show how many sites are included with a membership of the site in review. If you click on the hot link for the number of bonus sites, it brings up a listing of the bonus sites. The listing of bonus sites might not be 100% accurate, because bonus sites at networks change over time. But TBP does try to show you the bonus sites that are included with a membership. If TBP did not care about the PU and TBP members, it would not include the Bonus Sites material, on the theory that people would often not realize they had been a member of the network before. | |
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| 01-18-18 06:32pm - 2436 days | #30 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Personally, I think the issue is micro-reviews vs full-fledged reviews. exotics4me is an example of someone that always does in-depth reviews, whether he is reviewing a single site or a site that is part of a network. Reviews like that have a lot of value, in my opinion, and if he chooses to review other sites in the network in the same way, well that's even more valuable info for people who are considering joining that network. Then there are reviews where there's very little info - one line under pros, one line under cons, one line under summary. Personally I don't find those reviews to be very valuable - perhaps they're being done to just have a better chance at the raffle prizes, perhaps the person thinks that's a good review. I dunno. I just know that reviews like that don't have a lot of value for me. Personally, if I have one line to say about a site, for whatever reason, I'll post a comment. There's not enough activity on this site overall for me to encourage the mods to set definite standards, nor do I think it's a big problem. There's just reviews that I find to be valuable and reviews that I find to have very little value to me. | |
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