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| 01-18-11 03:42pm - 5049 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Don't think the major Websites aren't tuning in to our reviews So, I paid full price and signed up for this well-known popular porn site -- one which, BTW is a major Website that gets a fair amount of attention from our own The Best of Porn.  My experience, however, having just become a member of this solo-only web site, I simply concluded it didn’t measure up to what I expected -- Which I noted rather diplomatically in a later review. Apparently , though, some of my “cons” rubbed one of their representatives the wrong way, because although I was charitable and generous with my score, the pros, and lastly, endorsement of the site, this guy shot back with an angry tone about a few chosen things I’d said that I suppose be construed as insulting. Not a smart thing to do to endear me to return. He did close his diatribe, however, with a weak expression of appreciation for my endorsement. Suspecting all this was probably still gnawing at this guy’s gut, I then figured I would make him feel better if I rewrote, edited, and excluded the offending barbs and make it more reader friendly -- Which I did, going to a hell of a lot of time and effort to maintain decorum, objectivity and still present an honest appraisal. You’d think I’d hear back from the guy acknowledging my efforts, as well as a turn-around in his attitude. Neither have been forthcoming.  | |
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| 01-18-11 04:08pm - 5049 days | #2 | |
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figurebaby (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Aug 15, '09 Location: Portland, OR |
I don't know which site you experienced, but I can tell you for sure that we at FigureBaby pay very close attention to reviews and comments. Porn Users offers us a great service which allows us to gather feedback and communicate directly with our customers, who, after all, pay our bills. I don't always join the conversation personally, but I am aware of what people suggest and request. The downside is that it's easy to rest on ego and anticipate positive reviews, but, while compliments are quite flattering and much appreciated, we could not serve our customers without the complaints. Cons in a review are gold for us because it tells us what we need to fix or improve, and that's what truly makes us better and keeps you happy (I hope). So, that said, keep the suggestions coming! And let me also say thanks to Khan for providing this great resource. | |
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| 01-18-11 04:32pm - 5049 days | #3 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
you talking about IFM? That webmaster seems to be very defensive and can't handle criticisms. Some webmasters need to learn to accept criticism and improve rather than just turn it into a debate. I understand that webmasters are trying to run a business, but we have been very fair to that particular website and it gets good marks overall. It's a pretty good(albeit pricey) site and I'd join again but the webmaster is major league asshole. Forget about him. The webmasters who are receptive will improve their sites and profits and the ones who don't will miss out. | |
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| 01-18-11 05:10pm - 5049 days | #4 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
A very perceptive and well written reply, james. It seems you've added and improved on some important thngs I left out.  | |
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| 01-18-11 07:28pm - 5049 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
There's been a handful of hyper-defensive webmasters around here that have reacted badly to anything remotely negative - but nobody ever said that only the most emotionally well-balanced individuals could start a porn site. That's why we need to give our appreciation to those that have the right attitude. | |
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| 01-18-11 08:09pm - 5049 days | #6 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Spoken like a pro, panther. your brief reply wisely reminds us sometimes we're so busy looking for fault, and so eager to tickle the ears of what the masses want to hear, that we leave integrity blowing in the wind. But this also reminds me of what my old weight-lifting and body-building trainer used to always say: " If it don't hurt, then ain't helping you." | |
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| 01-18-11 10:28pm - 5048 days | #7 | |
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Xtiaan (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 4 Registered: Apr 29, '08 Location: USA |
I pay attention, at beautifulfeetonline.com But we fetishists are a pretty tight knit group... I wouldn't worry about it man. I don't know about big companies, but I am definitely considered "mom and pop" I think the smaller sites maybe are just more open? http://www.beautifulfeetonline.com http://www.pantyhosedfetish.com http://www.footpervert.com Edited by Staff on Jan 19, 2011, 05:44am (Khan: Edited direct link) | |
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| 01-21-11 04:39pm - 5046 days | #8 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
A review - it's not a kiss ass but a review - good, bad and the ugly. If you feel a certain way about a site, then express it. While not everyone reading it will have your taste in porn, it still is a review. As far as "sensitive" web masters, let'em bleed. I don't see how you can be a whoremonger and complain about someone being critical about something they don't like about your web-site. One of the things I hate about most food critics are they pretty much kiss ass the restaurants they review. At least here I EXPECT that people are going to be candid about what they view and experience. Keep up the good work - I depend on it! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-21-11 05:31pm - 5046 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
How can a site give us what we want if we don't offer constructive criticism? 'Your site sucks!' is offensive and unhelpful. 'I don't like this or that about your site....' gives them something to consider changing. They really shouldn't take the hump about that. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-21-11 06:23pm - 5046 days | #10 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Always a treat gettin' your feedback,JB. Your food critics thing is worthy of a whole new thread. Me, for example, harkening back to an earlier time: Elbow deep, scooping from a platter of delectable victuals, at a popular dining establishment in Atlanta, I suddenly found I wasn't alone.... Behold, a couple uninvited cockroaches raced across my table between my coffee and cornbread.... probably burning off calories from injesting too many morsels from the cornucopia that covered my table. This place got rave reviews from local food pundits. Gettin' back to porn..., how about this: Select male porn stars with pussy-friendly tastebuds to act as pussy-eating critics. They could post their critique, based on the tastest partners, to a site catering the fetishes of those who're into that gig. Anyway.... just a thought | |
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| 01-24-11 03:39pm - 5043 days | #11 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I was also surprised to see that some webmasters pay attention to what we write. I reviewed FTV Girls some time ago. The site usually starts with the modell doing some flashing in public areas and then moves indoors for masturbation. There are some masturbation scenes done in public areas. I noted that the public stuff looked staged so it would be safer, and that brought the heat level down a bit. Within a short period of time the webmaster replied and said that there was nothing planned or staged about the public stuff. I took him at his word, amended the review and gave him a higher score. In the same review I also noted that I'm not a big fan of solo girl stuff and the main reason I joined was for the public stuff. I praised the public stuff and recommended that anyone with the same interest would probably like this site. The webmaster wasn't angry at this, but his tone in a reply led me to believe that he didn't want to be catagorized as a niche site. I didn't get that sentiment. FTV Girls is a site that normally wouldn't be on the radar for someone looking for public nudity. I hoped my endorsement might steer some customers his way. Still, I was surprised that he even read my review... | |
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| 01-26-11 09:53pm - 5040 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I'm surprised that they would claim not to be aiming to be known for public nudity - maybe they've gone away from that, but certainly with that solo-girl site that they had for quite a while, they concentrated a lot on public nudity. Personally, I never found it very hot, not enough to join one of their sites anyway. | |
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| 01-27-11 03:26pm - 5040 days | #13 | |
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Advent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 103 Registered: Aug 13, '09 Location: Tampa, FL |
If you guys just blew sunshine up my butt all day I would wonder what site I was on.  I can always count on you guys to tell me the truth even though it does hurt sometimes. We listen and we try to make things better. The bottom line is if you want to hear the good you must be as equally willing to hear the bad. You guys have always been good to us and we learn a lot from you.  Owner Kick Ass PicturesCumEatingCuckolds, FootFetishDaily and Kick Ass Pictures Please feel free to contact me with concerns or comments, I would love to hear from you. | |
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| 01-27-11 06:15pm - 5040 days | #14 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
The thing I like about you, advent, is that you can turn our threads into strands of gold. Your inputs are a welcome bonus.  | |
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| 01-27-11 08:30pm - 5040 days | #15 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I would love to see a discount for joining two of your ATK sites at the same time. What are your ideas on this? | |
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| 01-28-11 06:23am - 5039 days | #16 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Back to the headlines: "Don't think the major Websites aren't tuning in to our reviews" I think they watch carefully - they watch constructive criticism.. (no, Capn, of course not - not that 'Your site sucks') And btw, we do not get that kind of useless remarks here at PU - generally. Thank you. Even if we're now over 11.000 PUs - it's still a drop in the ocean of porn browsers/searchers. So some WMs may be polite and give polite answers here - and even listen - but - again generally - I do not think they make (serious)alterations because of our inputs... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 01-28-11 01:58pm - 5039 days | #17 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You are right, Denner. As with all businesses they have to offer to their subscribers that which sells the most. I have watched in frustration as all those little girls in their sneakers and socks and short, plaid school skirts and cotton panties are being featured in update after update. (As we discussed in another place yesterday) I have complained, to the point of actually upsetting some webmasters, that the taste of more mature people, wanting more mature clothing on anyone over twenty, is being ignored. However, if an update I like is only being downloaded by twenty people while the "little" girl is being downloaded by thousands, then the handful of people who agree with me in this forum will receive soothing noises but will never see a change unless tastes themselves change. BTW, I appreciate the soothing noises, though!!  | |
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| 01-28-11 04:55pm - 5039 days | #18 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That fundamentally is the issue. Most sites are mainstream and become a self-fulfilling prophecy of hardcore mediocrity. People keep buying it so they keep making it. Niche markets, such as ours, are less well off for suitable material. It is usually the smaller outfits that are prepared to listen to the likes of us. Inevitibly, you will occasionally get some overspill, where you get a customer asking for material they can get anywhere else on the net. Provided the Webmanager keeps focus, that should not be an issue & us niche lovers should continue to be supplied. Welcome to Nirvana! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Jan 28, 2011, 04:58pm | |
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| 01-28-11 05:01pm - 5039 days | #19 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Geez, this seems so much like a Catch 22 messmer - If you don't ask and you only rely on the numbers that are generated by what is downloaded from what you put up, that is a pretty crappy marketing survey. And I don't think they change because they think they can continue to put out the same of crap. Except - On another thread, Jonni Darkko asks the participants of that thread if they preferred a pop in the mouth vs a spray to the face. Overwhelming those that answered said pop in the mouth. So now we will see what he does with this info (Should be used for Throat Fucks 3). Now that would be a change wouldn't it? If producers would ask what people want to see then we'd have a shot but most just don't care. "Ok - everyone jerk off on her face"  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-29-11 01:14pm - 5038 days | #20 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Sorry, jberryl69, but I'm afraid I don't quite catch your drift. Blame this on English being my second language. I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you, either, so maybe if you could restate the point you are making in another way?? My point was that all porn sites, just like other businesses, are driven by the law of supply and demand. They are not going to stock too much of an item that's in low demand but instead keep the shelves stocked with the stuff everyone wants at the moment. And therefore all the daily updates with girls in socks and sneakers! | |
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| 01-29-11 07:47pm - 5038 days | #21 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
It's interesting, because ALS Scan is an example that very much relies on member feedback in terms of what material gets released when. They poll members when they post samples from the sets after a new shoot or when they shoot a new model. And they encourage members to e-mail their opinions about samples posted in blogs - and these type of member feedbacks are the main elements that they use in determining their release schedule. But then we see some PU's posting bitter comments about their dislike of waiting to see scenes that aren't the most popular sets or vids or that members haven't been clamoring for via e-mail. It just goes to show - you can't please everybody no matter what you do. Sites need to aim to please, do what they say they're going to do, and have a certain amount of thick skin to not get offended by the criticism that they'll hear no matter what. | |
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| 01-30-11 12:37am - 5037 days | #22 | |
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Thedebilman666 (0)
Suspended  Posts: 144 Registered: Dec 08, '10 Location: NYC |
I noticed that only negative reviews get all the attention of the webmasters and I never read a thank you for positive, promotional review. Fuck 'em all, greedy pigs. This is exactly why I "hit and run" and never stay a concurrent member of any pay site, they don't give a shit about you, just your $$$. 6 pack bitches, deal with it Edited on Jan 30, 2011, 12:40am | |
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| 01-30-11 01:36am - 5037 days | #23 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
With all due respect for your rather harsh assessment, 666, and maybe you're quite right..... but I'm compelled though, to add that all of the favorable comments in the past I've posted here about our webmasters (directly to this forum) have indeed responded with enthusiastic expressions of thanks of many forms. | |
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| 01-30-11 03:39am - 5037 days | #24 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well, polar opinions there. As usual the truth is probably somewhere in between. Some Webmanagers care enough to take pride in their work, others don't. Those that do appreciate being appreciated. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-30-11 09:32am - 5037 days | #25 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You haven't been around long enough then, 666. I have seen many grateful thanks in connection with a positive review. I have even seen grateful responses to negative reviews. While in some cases the sincerity of the webmaster could be doubted there were others who made an honest effort to improve in the area in which a lot of reviews found them wanting. | |
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| 01-30-11 09:37am - 5037 days | #26 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Amazingly enough, webmasters are people. Some are cool, some are not so cool. Some care about their customers, some couldn't give a rats ass. My experience in dealing with people in the porn biz isn't that much different than dealing with people that run other businesses. There is more of the "flaky artist" thing in porn, particularly when you're dealing with sites that are a one-man or one-woman band or when you have a porn star that has her hand in so many pots that the web site aspect of her biz gets short shrift. | |
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| 01-30-11 09:57am - 5037 days | #27 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
But that's just the beef I have with most sites (unless I misunderstand your comments): they don't try to please everybody. They try to please the majority taste of the moment, which is only good business. This forum often does not give a true picture of what the majority likes and wants. If Brazzers is full of enhanced boobs it's because most red-blooded American males like big, perfectly rounded breasts, natural or not. If VideoBox or Videosz keep offering one Gonzo style update after the other it is because that's what the majority likes. VideoBox even feature a utility to edit the clips down even more until only the action is left. I can't see any other reason for its existence. You will see this in picture sites and DVD sites alike: young porn users are impatient with any sort of "foreplay" and want to get straight to the action. In picture sets the models are undressed by the middle of the first page, in Video sites the action starts 10 seconds from the beginning. If you are referring to me when you mention "bitter" comments, they are wistful rather than bitter. ALSscans surveys are nothing but an attempt to find out what the majority wants, nothing wrong with that .. as I keep saying that's good business, but you can't blame users like me for being wistful when we are being ignored by the big guys because we are not the most profitable demographic. | |
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| 01-31-11 09:28am - 5036 days | #28 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Mess - My point is, I think the porn sites set what is in the supply and demand not the consumer. It's like going to a store in the USSR back in the day. They had just one type of widget to buy so that's what you bought. I don't think they actually listen to what we want. How many times has it been posted "We don't like seeing guys masturbate onto girls faces for the money shot" but what do we get... almost 100% of the time. If they listened then you'd think you'd be seeing a different type of money shot. We get what we get not cause we want it but because that's all there is and we have nothing else to choose from. That is there business model. Also if the porn sites are not asking what people want they will never offer anything more. So if you're only offering one thing, it's easy to say "that's what they want". My feeling is that very few porn producers give a flying fuck what you want - or are very innovative in what they have to offer. I say this cause if they did, the business model would be very different than what you see now and they would be asking for feedback or requests or any line of communication. I've left comments on Evil Angel website that say will be posted in 24 hours and are NEVER posted. And it's a site I pretty well like, but there are some things I'd like to suggest they consider but I think it just falls on deaf ears. If I want to reach a director like Darkko, I have to use AVN talk forum or Twitter - Certainly the porn sites don't care. Sorry for the blast but this is sort of a sore subject. I usually only get pissed off at football refs, but there are some lame brain directors that I feel the same way about. Like Deepthroatlove's current director who can't shut up. There is no way for me to convey to PornPro's how totally horrible this guy is or how he is ruining a year's worth of shoots for them. It's what they offer and if you don't like don't subscribe. That's it - nothing else. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-31-11 09:58am - 5036 days | #29 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Aah, okay, now I get it. A lot of what you are saying makes sense because I had some of your experiences with porn sites as well. I suggested, they acknowledged and then ignored. I still can't quite believe that they would just stock their shelves with items few of us really want and give people only one choice: take it or leave it. My theory is that there is a large number of Porn Users that are never heard from in this forum and that THEIR taste determines what we get. As an example, one of the DVD sites, not sure if it is Videosz, Porn.com or Videobox, usually lists the number of downloads of a given new update which gives us a good example of the majority taste. For instance, while, in this forum or through comments and reviews, we bemoan the sameness of the DVDs they put out, it is still a fact that a niche DVD will show 28 downloads the day following publication while an anal or DP video will show a couple of hundred if not a thousand downloads. Of course, your argument can be applied here as well. Niche content by its very nature will not be in great demand and users pick instead the only other material available even though this too is not exactly to their liking. I guess the question of which one of us is right could only be settled by a webmaster. | |
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| 01-31-11 10:11am - 5036 days | #30 | |||
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
It's set by a combination of what consumers want to buy, producers want to film, and talent want and are capable of performing.
Again, there are other factors involved. Make a sports analogy, baseball teams want left-handed power hitters. Just because fans want them, and team owners want them, doesn't mean the talent pool is sufficient to provide enough supply. One fan wants the team primarily focused on power hitting, another fan wants the team primarily focused on contact hitting & speed, another fan wants the team primarily focused on power pitching, another fan wants the team primarily focused on crafty pitching.
Nope. There is practically everything available out across the internet, it's usually a matter of how much you're willing to pay for it. Generic porn to suit everyone's tastes is lagging in sales today, niche porn with the producer's own twist or style has the steadier audience. Look, advocate all you want for what you want. Let them know your desires. Just do not assume beyond that, that which you do not know as truth. | |||
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| 01-31-11 10:35am - 5036 days | #31 | ||
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
DVD mega-sites are unique in that the product's primary sales are from the physical dvds, where stats like that do reflect the site being driven by consumer demand, but are not indicative of the influences on the actual producers.
"Niche" can be applied to anything, not just the stereotypical fetish stuff. Like Evil Angel's niche is gonzo & hard anal, you're never going to see for example a soft seductive passionate vaginal-only scene in one of their releases. Edited on Jan 31, 2011, 10:42am | ||
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| 01-31-11 11:43am - 5036 days | #32 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You are right, of course, and as usual the voice of reason, anyonebutme. It is so terribly hard for me to put into words exactly what I mean. To me, when it comes to DVD, Gonzo is now mainstream while I tend to classify everything else as niche. I confess to being simplistic as well as employing hyperbole at times in order to make a point. Often I don't succeed! | |
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| 01-31-11 06:50pm - 5036 days | #33 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
If someone's a member of a site that's feedback-driven and makes it clear that they are feedback-driven and the person doesn't want to participate in that feedback, then you can't complain that you're being ignored because you're not the most profitable demographic - you're being ignored because you've chosen not to participate in the mechanism that the site has set up to give members what they want. You can "go with the flow" - I often do. But it's not fair to the site to then make up bogus reasons as to why the site isn't meeting your desires. | |
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| 01-31-11 07:29pm - 5036 days | #34 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Well, I tell you PP, I cannot be accused of being a silent minority in any site I join. They want feed-back they usually get feed-back to the point where some forum moderators have become very testy with me. However, you might very well be right that I am being ignored but mostly because others with tastes similar to mine choose to be silent, or because others with my tastes are extremely rare, and here we return once again full circle to the subject of demographics. The majority rules because they are the most profitable. Cater to their taste and you're in clover. Depart from it and you are in trouble. Ask our friend Reg Berkley who had the best video site on the Net if I am not right? But now I'd best put an end to this discussion because I'm giving myself a headache from all my circular reasoning. | |
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| 01-31-11 08:49pm - 5036 days | #35 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Both you guys commendedly "fought-the-good-fight": I'd call it a draw .... meaning both of you are winners. BTW, messmer .........you know what's a great remedity for that headache?????? BRB, Pal, gotta check something on the stove.  | |
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