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| 01-31-09 05:57am - 5804 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
Modern American Pornography What are your thoughts on the contemporary American porn scene? I was browsing through TBP's listings, and it seems to me that all American porn has been reduced to what I call Circus Sex. Crazy, fast and nasty. The guys act like sex offenders who escaped from State prison yesterday, the girls like the cheapest street corner hooker. The sex positions are ugly and all exactly the same...like a freak show. Lots of spitting, hands in the girl's mouth, stepping on her face, stretching her butthole so wide that a truck could drive through, the slapping, the gagging, the bile. The endless shots of men playing with themselves furiously like some pervert behind the bushes. Quite frankly, the girls are mostly unnatractive, even ugly, what with their multiple tattoos and piercings and terrible hair styles. WTF is up with this? Who is demanding the uglification of sex? Why are these companies giving us all this "zoo" sex? To whom is it being targeted? I've looked at porn for a long time, and American porn used to be the cream of the crop. Now it's just so much bargain bin crap, IMO. Edited on Jan 31, 2009, 06:07am | |
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| 01-31-09 09:59am - 5804 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Yeah I agree with you, and from what we have been seeing on these threads in the last few months, a hell of a lot of people agree with you. I wish the things you have mentioned would be just a novelty or a niche, instead of the norm. It's just becoming nastier and nastier, as though they feel they have to get tougher and tougher, in order to compete with others to bring in the punters. But on PU we have a big collection of porn lovers, and yet not that many of them really want to see the things you have been describing. I do find most of the things you have describd as ugly and in all honesty, I find it a total turn off. I am speaking as someone who loves deviation too, but even I find a lot of those things distasteful. I don't want to see this as the norm. It is not totally an American thing, but I do think you see it less in European porn than American. This sort of thing has been brought up in other threads on here, and I think it's good that people voice their opinion, because, hopefully some of those producers will read these threads and maybe have second thoughts on what they are doing. | |
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| 01-31-09 11:34am - 5804 days | #3 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
This is why I like solo girl stuff -- no guy choking or stretching a girl within an inch of her life, plus it seems more comfortable for them, and they don't have to put on the same 'ol me-so-nasty act. None of this Circus Sex is that new, but it now feels like the standard in American porn. I do not necessarily find it so much degrading as simply boring and repetitive, so when I watch a video it can be hard to tell what studio shot it because they all look and act exactly the same. Some poor girl is just such a horny/nasty/whatever slut that she wants to get thrown around/beat up/gagged/used as a spittoon until the guy feels that it's time to jerk his way to the finish line. I have lost count of how many times I have seen this from multiple studios over the past few years. Sometimes the girl is very attractive and even gets into it, but with all the tears and spit smearing her makeup so she looks like some kind of sex clown, it can be pretty hard to enjoy. Maybe we can blame somebody like Max Hardcore, but I don't think he wanted his style to become a standard, because now his videos don't seem as outlandish or really very different. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 01-31-09 12:02pm - 5804 days | #4 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Many people (according to The Squirrel) might agree with you but just as many have complained about the cookie cutter quality of the porn found on most sites and I think that is what is behind the escalation to the brutal, the bizarre, the degrading. With the average porn user a certain de-sensitization process takes place. At first he is content with sweet and light but after a while that gets boring and he wants something "rawer", the sites oblige until he gets tired of that as well and eventually they end up offering degrading and bizarre. It is almost like drugs: for the steady user it takes more and more to get the same effect after a while. I have not yet turned to the sites that specialize in the things you mention (I stray into them on occasion because they are part of a net) because I dislike them as much as you do, but I am constantly looking for something, anything, different that is not degrading to the models, because I am tired of glamor and photoshop, eg. five years ago I loved anything published by ATK, now I find the sites ho-hum except for a few favorite models that publish now and then. I've talked about the "boredom factor" more than once in this forum and in reviews and comments. And I believe it's real. | |
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| 01-31-09 06:05pm - 5803 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree with messmer that a pourcentage of what you call circus/zoo sex may very well be done to cater to the more de-sensitize porn viewer. I belive that it's very small amount. It's more a question of economics and lack of talent. This is my lost of what is needed to film a good scene: A makeup artist, clothes for all performers (these must include underwear as well as outer wear), dialogue, actual set (sofa, bed and side of pool don't count), lighting, professional videographer, good director, proper editing and chemistry between the players. All of these things cost money, but even more importantly take a certain amount of time to produce. In circus porn you don't need a makeup artist because the girl does it herself. You don't need clothes because it's the girls own bathing suit. Dialogue is limited to penis size, which orifice is being penetrated or chocking and slobering sounds during blowjobs, the set is a sofa or a bed, lighting is whatever is in the room at the time or sunshine, professionnal videographer my ass. I know how to use my brand new HD cam(at least I would if I'd read the instructions), I can direct this myself, because I've seen tons of movies, editing is too complicated instead lets film about 3 hrs of footage, and edit nothing out. This way we can charge more because it will take 2 dvd's, and we can call this a new style of raw sex, and finally how can you have chemistry between the performers when one of them has spent the last half hour slapping, chocking, spitting, and generally trying to open your body orifice large enough to drive a train through all the while in the most bizarre and uncomfortable positions??? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-01-09 03:36am - 5803 days | #6 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
The stuff really does reach the PT Barnum "freak show" status when most of the women are, as jd said, tatted-out and titted-fake. (Well, I'm paraphrasing a bit.) And ugly. And fat 'n chunky. There are some American sites on which most of the women look like this. UGH! In my porn, I want to see fresh beauties doing it, not slags. And the abusive stuff has got to go, too. Sex should be pleasurable, not painful or degrading. That shit gives porn a bad name. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-01-09 09:33am - 5803 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
There's a significant increase in the amount of performers who have chosen to get breast enlargement. It used to be more in North America, but sadly Europeans decided that they wanted some as well. I'd say that today it's pretty much 50/50. I have to be honest,and say that I can't think of a single site that has ugly and/or fat & chunky performers. You'll have to name some for me. My problem with circus sex is not because of the general appearance of the performers, but the entire scene (as I stated above). I'd say that there are far more good looking girls performing in circus sex then there are average looking ones. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-01-09 10:01am - 5803 days | #8 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Sigh .. my dream! | |
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| 02-01-09 07:10pm - 5802 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Mine too. The only place I consitently find these things today are in lesbian films made by Girlfriends studios. Some of the other studios are Wicked, Vivid, Digital Playground, and I may be forgetting a few. Although most of these others tend to have the pre-requisites, more often than not their stuff just doesn't appeal to me as much as Girlfriend studios. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-02-09 07:23am - 5802 days | #10 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
Premium Japanese Adult Video is where you'll find this; with some extreme stuff as well. But a lot of people can't get past the mosaics. | |
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| 02-02-09 07:26am - 5802 days | #11 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
Or at least put it back in its niche. I do wonder what effect the conviction and imprisonment of Max Hardcore will have on all this. | |
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| 02-02-09 11:51am - 5802 days | #12 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:38pm | |
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| 02-02-09 02:23pm - 5802 days | #13 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It would be interesting if some of these companies did try and really create something, rather than just spit out one video after another. I would love to see something that was really edited, instead of the usual two or three loooong takes with a couple of jump cuts thrown in to hide the girl wiping her ass or the guy's effort to furiously whack his way to the finish. Oh, and are there cameramen and women who can keep their damn hands of the zoom buttons? It seems like every site has a strict policy of constant zooming in/out, as if lenses movement is more important than the talent's actions. I have yet to meet anyone who can naturally magnify their vision and just zoom in on something, so lots of zooms are very unnatural visually. I understand everyone loves good closeups in porn, but a little patience and control would be a welcome miracle. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-02-09 06:36pm - 5801 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm one of those people that has issue with the pixelating. Why must they do that with the genetalia? I haven't seen enough Japanese porn to have an educated opinion, but of what I have seen. MOst of it contained a large amount of mysoginistic attitudes toward the women. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-02-09 06:56pm - 5801 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm one of those people who was first introduced to porn by watching movies made during what is now called the Golden Age Porn. I'd say 70's and 80's. I'm affraid that by the time the 90's appeared gonzo was too far on the rise to be able to include that decade in the Golden Age. I have to disagree with you Wittyguy, and say that porn made in those days was anything but generic. There was the 16mm loop stuff, but if we are talking features then I cannot think of a single one that did not have an actual story in it. I'm not saying the story was good, but there was one. I will agree that the sex was very generic. In their defense. This is a time where nudity on TV did not exist, and it was still rare in mainstream movies. You might say that porn was still a little innocent. Not to mention but you would have had a hard time finding more than a couple of stars willing to do a reverse cowgirl double penetration. That is after you had to explain what it was. It's possible that the circus porn is a fantasy for some guys, but I don't think that most of us want to jerk off in our girlfriends hair. I mostly think that since most directors today couldn't direct themselves out of a corner than their porn is likely to be just as simple: girl, boy, suck, fuck, jerk off, and then roll credits. I hope you are right about that reboot. There are so many great movies from the Golden Age that could be remade with better lighting and better camera angles. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-03-09 11:43am - 5801 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 02-03-09 01:31pm - 5801 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Just a guess, but is it some illustration for "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea?" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-03-09 07:18pm - 5800 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It is a drawing from 20,000 Leagues under the sea. I read that the are remaking the movie, so that inspired me. P.S: Wittyguys reply was too funny. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-14-09 11:02pm - 5789 days | #19 | |
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ramscrota (0)
Suspended  Posts: 54 Registered: Jul 04, '07 Location: Geelong Vic Australia |
I totally agree, jd 1961. I don;t know what kind of MR they do, but they clearly don't ask you or me. I believe the art of tease and seduction is dying, and sadly neglected by Porn sites. The best site I've seen for seductive quality is little mutt (a lesbian site). I wish they'd bring the same seductive qualities to a hetero site. I tend to like pics, but I've come to the conclusion that most porn photographers are as dumb as dogshit. See my article on photography in this forum. | |
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| 02-15-09 12:42am - 5789 days | #20 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Gee, JD I though every guy jerked off in his girl's hair! Seriously though, even from being from a younger generation of porn viewers I agree tend to agree about the lack of introduction to the scene and lack of feeling that the performers actually know each others names takes something away from the scene. I also am not a fan of degrading porn. Hair pulling, spitting, slapping and so on simply does not do anything for me and honestly would not feel bad to see it removed. I like to think of the women as people, not just fuck dolls. Part of the problem is that it is so easy to get material out now. All someone needs a few willing girl, a cheap camera and $50 motel room and they have the start of a porn studio. Many people do not realize that because they spent a load of money they did not have on equipment does not make them professionals. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 02-15-09 03:38am - 5789 days | #21 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Way too much "tattoo-stuff" - girls are getting more and more tattoos in porn, especially in US-porn - BUT it's certainly spreading with "porn-globalization" - to euro-models too. I don't like to watch girls with big tattoos on arms, breasts, thighs ect. - a single little one is ok. I don't look at the guys in hc b/g scenes, but its dammed hard not to notice when some bald overtattooed biker-type fucks a great/sweet looking model - it's a serious turn-off. AND: Know we've been around this before, but all that climax-jerk-off in the girls face - man, it's almost around 90% of all clips that ends that way - US or european - will that trend ever fade out - hope so... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 02-15-09 09:20am - 5789 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
There is an increase in girls getting some massive tattoos and not just the plain looking girls but some gorgeous ones. I still stick to my theory that some of them subcounsciously do it to make it very hard for their agents to get bookings. I've read a lot of opinions on tattoos from this forum and a few others and the large majority of porn viewers at best tolerate them to some who will not watch a girl with them. A pornstar makes most of her money by being booked for stills and movies. The result of getting a highly noticeable tattoo is that you make it near impossible to get bookings for the "all natural" sites. Many producers/directors dislike tattoos because they want the actress to play certain part that the tattoo(s) simply won't make sense. If the star is very popular then you will sometime notice that her scenes require that she not disrobe completely. A sleeve or all back tattoo kills that option. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-15-09 09:39am - 5789 days | #23 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
VERY interesting input from pat362 - it sure makes you wonder... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 02-15-09 10:12am - 5789 days | #24 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Having talked to lots of women with extensive tattoos - living in the Bay Area, that's not difficult - I can say that most women are getting tattoos because they want them. That's the culture that they are attracted to. It's edgy and individualistic, as they see it and they want to express themselves by spending lots of money getting extensive tattoos, not to prevent bookings for all-natural porn sites. | |
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| 02-15-09 06:33pm - 5788 days | #25 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I hope that a woman who has accumulated extensive tattoos over the years likes them. Are any of the women you spoke to in an all nude industry? Did any of them wait until they were in their 20's before getting their first one? My statement is directed at women who did not start their porn careers with large tattoos. At best they had small easy to miss tattoos. It's only after being in the biz for a couple of years that the large tattoos appeared on them. I don't like large tattoos on women but I respect their choice to get them. I'm just stating a fact that their method of earning a living is severely impacted by their choice. It's not just the "all natural" websites that won't hire them. It's pretty much all of them. I'm know that they are warned early on that any tattoos will affect their agents ability to get them gigs. I remember a girl last year who had a contract with, I think, Penthouse. She had some tattoos, but they weren't too obvious. I read somewhere that after being warned not to get anymore, she went and got a giant back or sleeve tattoo. Needless to say she was dropped and disapeared overnight. I'm affraid that if anyone thinks that getting a tattoo is edgy and individualistic than they are 15 yrs too late. Today you have 50yrs old grandmothers with tattoos. If anyone disagrees with my theory on why pornstars get large tatoos then by all means give me another one. The fact that they want one is not good enough, because I think that they are too smart not to realise the danger to their making money. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-16-09 06:44am - 5788 days | #26 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I think this used to be the case, but now tattoos are trendy and boring, especially among the younger generations, including "mine." Seeing more women in porn with lots of ink is just a reflection of the generational culture, not necessarily just women who are looking to get out of the business. Personally, I don't find women with lots of tattoos especially attractive, at least not anymore than those with none, and my problem with the little ones is that they are almost all identical; a small butterfly/flower/Chinese lettering (as if most Americans could read it) on the ankle/wrist/shoulder. Now it's the rare girl who has not had anything put into her body or even has a hint of pubic hair. Wonder if there is a no tattoos/no implants site? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-19-09 06:51am - 5785 days | #27 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
That was the idea of Zero Tolerance - no tolerance for clown boobs, suitcase pimps, huge disfiguring tattoos, etc. In all of their early vids, the first thing they would do is interrogate the performer and inspect their bods to make sure none of the outlawed aspects were there. I haven't kept up to see if they are still keeping to that model. Alex of ALS HATES implants and has only shot models with enhanced boobs a few times, that I know of - and those times were with models that he had shot before natural and didn't want to say "No" to when they wanted to model again, if their boobs weren't crazy big. They also haven't shot a lot of models with tattoos and fired their female assistant that had very intense tattoos when members complained about her interfering in their enjoyment of scenes that she was shown in. Nikki Nine was the performer that killed her contract career by getting huge tattoos. She had been signed by Hustler to great fanfare, used her signing fee to go out and get huge-ass tattoos and was fired. | |
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