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| 10-08-08 12:32pm - 5919 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Adult Industry Failing. ???? As topics come up and we wonder if adult porn businesses will fail: Think about this: 1. There are approx 58.9 million adult people in the USA. 2. Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography Every second - 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography Every second - 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines Every 39 minutes: a new pornographic video is being created in the United States . 3. This year the industry will exceed 3.5 billion Video Sales alone. ( USA ONLY) 4. Almost 14 billion when combined with magazines,noveties, Cable TV etc. 5. Most Searches for porn /sex are 50/50 men and women for those over 25. 6. Pornographic websites 4.9 million (13% of total websites) Pornographic pages over 480 million Daily pornographic search engine requests 68 million (25% of total search engine requests) Daily pornographic emails 2.5 billion (8% of total emails) Internet users who view porn 42.7% Received unwanted exposure to sexual material 34% Average daily pornographic emails/user 4.5 per Internet user Monthly Pornographic downloads (Peer-to-peer) 1.5 billion (35% of all downloads) Daily Gnutella "child pornography" requests 116,000 Websites offering illegal child pornography 100,000 Sexual solicitations of youth made in chat rooms 89% Youths who received sexual solicitation 1 in 7 (down from 2003 stat of 1 in 3) Worldwide visitors to pornographic web sites 72 million visitors to pornography: Monthly Internet Pornography Sales $4.9 billion 7. Largest consumer of Internet pornography 35 - 49 age group These are ppl who also the age group with highest salaries too. 8. Christians who said pornography is a major problem in the home 47% 9. Over all stats underage and adult useages Breakdown of male/female visitors to pornography sites 72% male - 28% female 10.Most shocking of the stats Women and Pornography Women keeping their cyber activities secret 70% Women struggling with pornography addiction 17% Ratio of women to men favoring chat rooms 2X Percentage of visitors to adult websites who are women 1 in 3 visitors Women accessing adult websites each month 9.4 million Women admitting to accessing pornography at work 13% Women, far more than men, are likely to act out their behaviors in real life, such as having multiple partners, casual sex, or affairs. 11. Largest producers of porn are Vivid Entertainment, Hustler, Playboy, Wicked Pictures, Red Light District They produce 13,000+ plus videos per year alone compared with 1988 of only 1,300 a year this is only for these top suppliers. 12. The average income percentage and most of these are in the age group previously mentioned above.. $50K-$75K 25.58% $75K+ 35.30% Anyways I do not see the industry failing anytime soon even with the economy the the gain is projected at 5-7 % this year in sales anyways. Cybertoad Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-08 01:03pm - 5919 days | #2 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I'm glad to know the porn industry is safe and won't be needing a big government bail-out. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-08-08 01:42pm - 5919 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
LOL, that was a good one! They'd have done better by issuing commodities futures in Jenna Haze's ability to have a real good time. And would have given new meaning to the terms "call" and "put." ;) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-08-08 02:25pm - 5919 days | #4 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Curious? Where did you find these stats, they are pretty interesting. Although I would suspect they may be a little inflated, it is still gives at least an idea of who big it really is. 4.9 million websites? Damn, I got a lot of work to do! One stat I would like to see is: how much space would be needed to store one copy of every porn video and picture on the net? I would presume many petabytes, but it would be neat to know. Very cool post Cybertoad. The stats page of Playboy magazine is actually the first thing I turn to when I get the magazine in the mail. Here is a neat page, although a few years old, some same data. http://internet-filter-review.toptenrevi...aphy-statistics.html "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-08-08 02:27pm - 5919 days | #5 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
LOL I'm just curious to see what will be the first financial themed porn film, I mean Playboy is already recruiting for another edition of "The Babes of Wall Street". I'm thinking somebody will have to release "Fannie Mae Goes To Ball Street", or "Freddie Mac Buys Some Prime Ladies". "S & P 500: The Sexy and Petite Orgy", or simply "Dow Goes Down". The possibilities are endless! "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-08-08 02:31pm - 5919 days | #6 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Toadsith. Addition to one of your ideas. "Dow goes down on Jones" Some good ideas for film names there though....better get your name on them before they do, might be able to get some royalties. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-08-08 02:36pm - 5919 days | #7 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
lol - that's even better! Maybe for gay porn: "Freddie Mac Feels The Bear" "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-08-08 06:18pm - 5918 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Not to disagree with any of you gentlemen, but take a look at the following. It's someones reasoning of why porn is in trouble. It's based on a article called "Rude Awakening" written in the Financial Times. I actually agree with everything that he says. The problem is that the DVD pros are not offering anything drastically different than what the freebie web amateurs are doing. Back in the glory days of porn you had real people auteurs who used porn as cinematic experiment and not an excuse for visual shock and awe. They told stories revolving around actual plots and storylines and not just E fast good net clips. Today many stars have the brain of Sarah Palin or wood of Dan Quayle while most GenX bohemian directors brought up on Hip Hop and Jackass are mainly interested in shooting Xers inspired by drug trips instead of adult evolution. In a gangsta age where violence and death is a cultural political statement, porn's target consumer is evil-is-hip bad ass libido. This country is over. The Nov election between young Uncle Tom and old Toy Soldier is a reality puppet show. The top 1% sold us out to Chang, Mohammed and Schlomo. Won't somebody make a Cafe Flesh for the 21st century before our end days? Or do porn's old school legends have to end their comfy hasbeen retirement in an impromptu comeback? Legit media takeoff material and group circus content is no longer cute or trendy. We need to cross over to earn sustainance and gain respect. Who will make a REAL FILM WITH SEX IN IT again rather than the same hardbody airhead fluff for vicarious voyeurs, fetish fans and harlot haters? It's so bad, in the last decade fan jerkoffs have taken over smut media. The last mainstream Oscar winner featured a 2 hour killing spree metaphor for our Orwellian times. Can't we do better than that with orgasms to save the jizz biz? Let's tell less is more filmic bedtime stories that send messages beyond the ins and outs. If we can't we deserve to go out of business or resort to live sex shows in the pervert peekeasy shadows. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-08-08 06:33pm - 5918 days | #9 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
That piece is nice and nostalgic, but it hardly states that the industry is in any form of financial trouble. While I admit that I like older porn a bit more than most modern porn, I don't think anyone can argue that the industry isn't stronger today than it was yesterday. The aesthetic of the industry has changed quite a bit over the years, especially in the past 20 years. Yet in the same manner, so has Hollywood - editing, lighting, camera work, diction - it has all changed drastically. I love the old films, a number of my favorite films are 50 or more years old - but I don't want to transport back to that era - when special effects was often a bag of flour. The culture has changed and what we expect from movies has changed - but cinema is a very young art form. I think we will see returns to old styles when they come in fashion and new styles, unthinkable to us now, will arise as well. Perhaps at some point a large studio will decide to fund a talented director with a big vision for a porn film - and classic, movie-grade porn will return again, in some new form. It is something to hope for, and with the amount of money this industry is making, I shall dare to hope that it is not far off. So I say we shouldn't curse the success of the industry's current doctrine of fast, cheap and out of control. It may indeed be the very vessel for the return of cinematic art to pornography. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-08-08 07:35pm - 5918 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm in my 40's so I remember a time when special effects were called "special", partly because you had to pretend you didn't see the wires or the stop motion. You know what I also remember about those movies. The content had to be number one because they couldn't rely on special effects to dazzle us. That isn't the case with most movies today. All flash and no susbstance. Hell, a CGI Chihuahua movie made 29,000,000$ on the weekend. You tell me that 5yrs from now, a single person will remember that cinematic masterpiece. I don't think the porn industry is stronger today as much as there is just more of it. There is more porn being produced in a month than was done in a year. A large part is the fact that once upon a time you filmed on celluloid and that was expensive. Not everyone could afford it. Today you can buy a camera and off you go making gonzo porn. That is one of the reasons why I think that porn is in trouble. There used to be 3 TV networks CBS, NBC, and ABC. For decades they ruled the airwaves. You could argue that they are still relevant, but I don't think you can say that they are still top dog. In many ways the same can be said for porn studios. I've seen over half a dozen top ranking porn studios disapear just in the last year. Can you name me 3 porn movies from the last 5-10 yrs that you still enjoy? Could you name 3 from 10+ ago? I don't think you need a large budget to make good porn. You only need a idea and the talent to make it happen. I think the first is covered, but that second one will need some serious help. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-08-08 08:47pm - 5918 days | #11 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I cannot argue that there isn't a large quantity of nonsensical drivel being produced in both pornography, cinema and television; because frankly there is. There is just so much content being produced that you have to sift through that much more to find the memorable creations. The majority of what was produced in the past in all three industries was terrible, but since there was less of it, you were likely to see a much larger percentage of it. That made it all the more likely that you'd see the gem hidden in the refuse. The fact that someone actually green-lit the blasted Chihuahua movie amazes me - that it is making money, eh - less amazing. You tie in enough brands and advertise enough - you can sell anything for a while. There are still quality movies and TV shows and pornos being made - you just have to search longer and harder for them. For porn, there is niche content being made accessible today that was only a tickle in the back of the mind for people 20 years ago. I would say that no single studio is as powerful as the major studios 20 years ago, so in that sense I suppose you could argue that specific aspects of the industry aren't stronger. The sheer number of content producers around right now remind me of the movie theater battles that happened 10 years ago - everybody scrambling for a piece of the market. The theaters have largely weeded themselves out; the strong survive. The problem with the internet is that real estate isn't an issue - there is always room for more. Yet the internet market is still very young, and I think the weeding process has only just begun. The main issue is that much of what was great about old pornos were the lengths they went to emulate movies. I really think the budget is factoring in hard right now. The average porn film is shot in a single day - very few retakes - they simply keep rolling and then edit out the errors. To do proper movie making, you need people on set day after day. You need to film on different locations, you need to give your performers time to memorize and rehearse the script. All this costs money that many studios don't have. Take Kink.com as an example. Especially for a niche content producer, they have a considerable amount of money. They produce props and have bought an entire Armory as a monster location set. Even they rarely have models around for multiple days for a single shoot. Modern studios have so much money tied up in delivery of the content that I think production of the content takes the brunt of the cost cutting. I believe that as customers get more discerning, the studios will get weeded out and individual studios will be able to work on larger budget projects. Still, even today - good content is being made. You asked 3 porn movies from the past 5 to 10 years that I still enjoy? Absolute #1 is "Captain Mongo's Porno Playhouse" (2001, VCA). It has a hilarious script, an energetic cast and a wonderful set. I own the film and have watched it more times than I can count. #2 would have to be "Beat The Devil" (2003, Digital Playground) - it is a shameless rip-off of the BMW short film of the same name (directed by Tony Scott) - but it again has a great cast and fun writing, so rewatching it is enjoyable. Finally, #3 would be Sex Shot (1999, Private) - this film leans more heavily on the director of photography, sets and choreography to make itself memorable, but memorable it is - and again I have seen it many times. I will grant you that it is more of a chore to think of memorable films in the past 10 years than in the history of pornography prior to the last 10 years. Much of what is produced is gonzo content - which is cheap, easy, and lives for the moment. Gonzo focuses on specific instances, a double penetration, an episode of squirting, a specific position - those are what they are selling to their audience - instant gratification of a specific fantasy instance. While they can achieve this with remarkable efficiency, it serves to render the films unmemorable. To a certain degree, I believe the content producers are counting on that. If you remembered their previous films you might not have interest in seeing their new content, which usually provides the same stunts with new actors. Still, my selection of films listed above shows that some people are still taking the time to do pornos more reminiscent of film. I'm pleased with the ease of access we have to content these days, be it the old films of the past, or strange new ones made today - I think there isn't a better time to be viewing porn than today. There may be a load of mediocrity out there, but I still see a bright future ahead. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on Oct 08, 2008, 08:50pm | |
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| 10-08-08 10:30pm - 5918 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Reading some of the comments that Shap has made in Twisty's forum or Alex has made in the Director's blog at ALS Scan, I don't agree that the web site aspect of the adult industry is stronger than ever. Alex has mentioned that overall memberships to porn sites are down and many sites are trying to decrease their costs. You can see that with sites such as DDF's where they have gone to recycling old material for a large percentage of their updates while raising their prices. Twisty's, according to Shap, has pulled back by contracting with less European porn producers. Internet porn was tied into the whole dot com boom and I'll bet that it was easier a few years ago to just toss up a site and have membership come roaring in than it is now. Obviously there is no lack of porn sites, but is the whole scene as much a Field of Dreams as it once was? I doubt it. | |
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| 10-08-08 10:36pm - 5918 days | #13 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
No doubt, even though more money is being spent on pornography than ever before - there needs to be a culling of the herd. It happens again and again with every industry; the car industry seems to be go through it again right now. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-09-08 10:25am - 5918 days | #14 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I will post the link to the info it was an independant and and someof my own comments too. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-09-08 03:24pm - 5918 days | #15 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 10-09-08 03:49pm - 5918 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 10-09-08 04:07pm - 5918 days | #17 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Haha, those are quality One has to appreciate Porn's history of terribly punny parody titles, lol I will be curious to see what happens to ol' Dubbya after office - my guess is he'll largely disappear from the public eye. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-11-08 08:17am - 5916 days | #18 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hi everyone, I cant post a link because I realized it was gathered from a few sites and I do not think I should put a bunch of links in the post. so.... Search Adult Porn Stats and you will find a bunch of info including what I found. Cybertoad. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-13-08 07:02pm - 5913 days | #19 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 10-13-08 07:09pm - 5913 days | #20 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
You know, if Scientology and Creationism merged, would they say our history looked something like this? The Picture oft Captioned with "Holy Shit: This is Awesome" "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on Oct 13, 2008, 08:28pm (Toadsith: ::grumble grumble:: stupid image shack...) | |
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| 10-13-08 08:04pm - 5913 days | #21 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Toadsith. The link you posted is dead now. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-13-08 08:29pm - 5913 days | #22 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I hate when the hosting sites do that - try it now. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-14-08 02:31pm - 5913 days | #23 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 10-14-08 07:16pm - 5912 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think he will simply start spending the millions he's been accumulating with those backroom petroleum deals. At least he's guaranteed a place in history. Probably not the one he would have wanted. Afterall he is the only known president to have taken the bountry from a surplus to half a Trillion in deficit. Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Oct 15, 2008, 06:56pm | |
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