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| 09-18-12 06:39am - 4478 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Question re downloads versus streaming I’m in the process of writing a review and one of the subjective complaints I have about the site is that when you open a page for a scene it starts to download the streaming version which can be a bit of a bandwidth hog. At least it doesn’t commit the sin of automatically starting the streaming, which can be a problem if your speakers are on. This got me to thinking: if sites are catering more to streaming (and I base this on the fact that a lot of sites start the streaming automatically, thereby wasting bandwidth for people who are only there to download) is streaming more popular than downloads now? One caveat to this: I’m probably asking the wrong crowd. My guess is that the members here, people who are avid collectors, probably download more than stream, but what about the average porn buyer? Is he or she streaming more? If not, why would sites assume streaming is the preferred method and start it automatically? If a site were to eliminate automatic streaming wouldn’t that save them money in those wasted bandwidth costs? Thoughts? | |
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| 09-18-12 07:55am - 4478 days | #2 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I am hardly a streaming expert, however my own experience as limited as it is , may be that streaming to me makes me feel like I wasted my money. It kinda like going to the movies and coming home and why I enjoyed it, if I want to see it again I have to go back or wait for the rental. For me it is part collector and part wanting access when I want access. If I leave a site and want to see the scene again I once paid for it is like going back to the move theatre and buying another ticket. I guess for me, ownership with it's privileges is what it is about for this PU dude. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-18-12 08:35am - 4478 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Normally, I download all my videos. If a site is streaming only, I am not interested in becoming a member. However, sometimes streaming is nice. It lets you view part of a video, to see if the video is worth watching or downloading. But I don't think I've been a member of a site where the videos started streaming automatically. And there are some sites that don't have a streaming option. So streaming is a nice option, to let you view part of a video, or to watch the entire video, if you don't want to download it for some reason (you're running out of hard disk space, etc.). | |
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| 09-18-12 09:51am - 4478 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I very much doubt that anyone joining a site that offers both download and streaming will usually use streaming. I've always thought that most of us download our porn and then watch it. I will on occasion stream part of a video if I'm not completely sure of what I'm getting but that is the rare exception. I already limit the type of files I download because of my download quota so I don't want to waste any on streaming. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-18-12 06:30pm - 4478 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I think that the OP is onto something - we here tend to be crazy collectors - myself included. But the rest of the porn-loving world is not so much - look at the popularity of mobile porn, which is as appealing to me as watching ants fuck. It wouldn't surprise me at all if many more casual porn fans are mainly streaming and jerking. | |
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| 09-18-12 06:37pm - 4478 days | #6 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I'm thinking that my initial caveat is correct - as collectors we really don't know what the 'average' porn buyer wants. For me, streaming makes no sense. But it must be popular if so many sites offer it as their lead format. | |
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| 09-20-12 09:46am - 4476 days | #7 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
All I can say is that I used to get a LOT of requests for a streaming option. I have to admit it's good as a preview before committing to download the fullHD version of a video. Overall I haven't noticed any significant increase in bandwidth usage since adding a streaming option to my newer videos, and downloads still account for the bulk of video traffic. I suspect the streaming bandwidth roughly balances the saved bandwidth by users not having to download every single video to find out which they want to view. However get feedback on opinions on that sort of thing has never been easy. My main complaint is that I'm now having to work back through StripGameCentral's older videos and gradually add streaming to them too!  Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 09-20-12 09:51am - 4476 days | #8 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
^ Thanks for weighing in Ed2009. I'm sure i speak for others when I say that we appreciate a webmaster's perspective. | |
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| 09-20-12 10:46am - 4476 days | #9 | |
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gaypornolover (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Jul 09, '11 Location: Birmingham, UK |
I hate streaming-only sites and don't understand their appeal at all. Streaming is fine for a quick preview to help me decide whether I want to download it, so I am happy to have streaming as an option on a site, but streaming only? Forget it! I think the one thing I heard about streaming-only which I kind of understood was that it kept the stuff off your hard-drive - some people are paranoid about that kind of thing and of course it does take up a lot of space. I guess just accessing it whenever you want, and being able to clear your browsing history, cookies etc. makes some people feel more secure. Still, it annoys me when a site is streaming-only - I was only caught once and that's when I didn't realise such a thing existed! Fool me once - I've never joined a streaming-only site since - no matter how hot. I check first on PU or TBP and if it's streaming-only I don't even check out the previews - not interested. I guess people are used to the idea of streaming from tube sites, but those are free so you don't expect to own the content. I guess it's more akin to renting a DVD instead of buying one - but then renting one was always cheaper than buying it, and it tended to be for something you only saw once. Streaming sites are often just as expensive as download sites, so there's no saving. I suppose if you only watch each movie once or a couple of times and don't intend to watch it again it's okay, but I can watch the same movie over and over if it's hot enough, and I still like to own what I pay for. Plus I find streaming frustrating - it's rarely fast enough for me so I often get stutter, out-of-synch audio, slow downloading etc. etc. At least if I download something then however slow it was, and however long I had to wait, once I have it I can skip through it without any issues. I do understand why some studios are reluctant to allow downloads with piracy being as it is. One thing I didn't think might be an idea as a compromise between the two would be a sort of "cloud" site whereby you joined for free, got a username and password, paid for whatever content you wanted, and then that available to stream whenever you wanted permanently. You'd have to pay for new content as you wanted it, but content you'd already paid for would remain permanently available to stream but not download. Although I'd still prefer a download option, I would consider joining such a site - though it would have to be very hot, and I'd still expect it to be cheaper overall than a download site. Edited on Sep 20, 2012, 10:51am | |
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| 09-20-12 02:21pm - 4476 days | #10 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
There is a site out there like that, run by Pink Visual. It's called PVLocker, and the biggest issue with it right now is that they don't sell that much content though it (they sell the stuff they make and have agreements with a few smaller studios, but no big ones). And if you're willing to pay a little bit extra per month, you can upload some of the content you already have to the service too. | |
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| 09-21-12 09:19am - 4475 days | #11 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
It's not a wise business plan to allow permanent access to content with a one off payment. Such a thing would have to be extremely carefully thought out by the operator or they could be open to ongoing bandwidth/storage costs without the ongoing income to cover the cost. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 09-24-12 05:50pm - 4472 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
It shouldn't be news that this very question comes up in Porn User's "get-to-know-you profile questionire. But however its presented, it always produces interesting results. While those favoring streaming vs those who're die-hard downloaders are running a relatively close race in this thread, its interesting to note that its a whole different ballgame when weighted in an opposing lopsided difference subscribed to answers posted in our profiles. Choice of downloading there run four-or-more-to-one over streaming, with what I can only determine is a plus for streaming only in regard to previewing and keeping unwanted stuff off ones harddrive. I'm one of the few who eschews initially downloading for that very reason.  | |
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| 09-24-12 07:19pm - 4472 days | #13 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I don't think it is that close a race, graymane. The vast majority of the posters here will reject streaming only, while at the same time they embrace streaming as a means of sampling a video before downloading. You and I are on the same wave length there. I don't have the rearadmiral's concerns because I have no bandwidth limitations if I accept a slightly lower speed. (2.45 MB/s) With the next higher speed (approx. 3.45 MB/s) I would have had a limitation of 250 GBs a month and then pay a usurious fee of $ 2.50 for every additional GB used. Didn't take me long to switch to the lower speed.  | |
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| 09-25-12 02:50am - 4472 days | #14 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
There'll be a symbolic big red apple resting with your avator, Sir messmer, put there for the simple fact of your possessing a sterling quality and a nobility recognized by all. I'm throwing in loudly shouting out our good fortune of your simply being one of us. It goes without saying, students of porn here at Porn Users are grateful for what you've given. We're On the lookout for of your wonderful posts, and, ideally, another of your refreshingly delightful threads. Amongst the celebration, I want to be one waving the biggest placard depicting your invaluable contribution and tenure here. Quote from messmer: "I don't think it is that close a race, graymane." My inspiration fosted from delivering the above unexpected praise for our honorable Canadian comrade, has took root because of his direct approach upon correcting my Hypothesis relating to the match-ups of "streaming verses downloading. My good friend inescapably proved me wrong, leaving me hangdoged, aimlessly and endlessly pacing my room in bewilierment as to how I could have blundered so badly in my judgement. Crushed, I ended up drinking myself into oblivion, passing out on the floor just short of making it to the bedroom. My friend has taught me a valuable lesson: "Get my facts together before launching into something nilly-willy", in this case thereafter sending me drifting under a cloud of shame and visibly guilty in the eyes of thousands of my fellow members ,,,,, hence leaving me with a decision to change my PU user-name to "the blunderer."  .....Gottcha, pard!  Jus' kiddin' about the above, of course. you da man, sir messmer. | |
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| 09-25-12 09:43am - 4471 days | #15 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Good God, have I done all that to you, you poor man. I'll have to be more careful in the future because I had forgotten how sensitive we seniors can be!  Kidding right back at ya, ole pal!  | |
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