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| 03-22-18 06:09pm - 2466 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
User forum I emailed Amanda about a concern that this board is losing focus and stands to lose the harmonious feel that has made it unique. After sending it, I decided to post it here, publicly. No need to hide. Hopefully, even if you disagree, it will be taken in the positive spirit intended. Here is what I sent, or a reasonable facsimile: Far be it from me to complain -). I feel the forum is no place for political discussions and it's taking away from the focus, porn. There are plenty of other sites for such things. I hate to see the forum turn into a fiasco. More than anything, I believe the board will lose the friendliness and camaraderie that has made it unique. Or PU can set aside an area like other sites such as "not porn-related" to discuss politics or anything under the sun. My 2 cents. | |
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| 03-23-18 04:41am - 2466 days | #2 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I could not agree more. | |
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| 03-23-18 05:32am - 2466 days | #3 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User  Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Hi jook! Thanks for the email and thanks for posting here about your concerns. I know we have had ownership of PU for a while now, but I'm still somewhat hesitant to ever censor our users since I deem PU to be safe space where everyone is free to be themselves, as long as they're considerate of others. Kahn had WAY more experience with public forums and I know some things have changed in the way that it is managed. I always tend to think "What would Kahn do?" since I know so many members of our community respected him so much. All this said... I have a point, I swear!.. I understand that politics is a touchy subject and I definitely don't want this wonderful forum to change its tone and atmosphere! Our system is not currently set up to have an "non-porn" area, but there are few things an admin can do.  All political threads will be monitored closely and also be marked as POLITICAL in their thread title, so everyone knows what they're about to jump into. This way if you see the title, you can avoid it altogether if it's not something you want to read. @jook, you hit it on the nose when you said that this is first and foremost a porn forum, so I will also monitor member posts and if they tend to only post about politics, I will gently nudge them with that reminder. How does this sound to everyone? If anyone else has any suggestions on how I can help maintain our peaceful porn paradise, please let me know.  Actually, what if I label every thread as to the subject is pertains to? Like politics, tech, jokes, movies, etc? Would that be something helpful? Edited on Mar 23, 2018, 05:38am | |
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| 03-23-18 06:57am - 2466 days | #4 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
I agree. | |
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| 03-23-18 07:44am - 2466 days | #5 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Labelling every thread as to the subject seems like a lot of extra work. And the PU staff already have plenty of essential work that needs to be done anyway. So I vote against the extra work of labelling each thread. Easier solution: if you think a thread is controversial, or annoying, just post a reply (or an email to the potential poster) that the thread is too off-topic for the site, and delete the thread. Khan would have had no problem shutting down a thread that he did not feel contributed to the site, or that broke site rules/policy/whatever. Just my 2 cents. | |
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| 03-23-18 09:43am - 2466 days | #6 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
There are three things you don't discuss with some people: Religion, Politics and anything else! (With apologies to All in the Family.) Seriously, I tend to read the titles of each post and decide which ones I will open and respond to. I move on if I don't want to discuss it. Politics is something I am interested in but will probably not post anything of my own about my views. Thank you for posting your concerns, Jook. I do follow the Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes all the rules. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 03-23-18 12:34pm - 2466 days | #7 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User  Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
I enjoy the forums much more now that there is something to intellectually stimulate me (the political threads). For years I wouldn't post to the forums because I am on a limited budget for porn, can't join a lot of sites, and basically couldn't contribute to this community. I too have concerns that political threads can get out of hand, or that it will make the overall PU experience worse. But there are lots of threads on the forums that don't involve politics (the vast majority in fact). I don't read threads I have no interest in, and read many and don't comment because there is little I can add. Why is it that because there are a few threads that are about politics that changes must be made? What is wrong with simply choosing to not read content that bothers you? Why should political discussion be relegated to another section like some second-class citizen? I understand that to many politics is (or has become) a very touchy topic. It is my hope that through civil discussion that people can share differing opinions and PU can be an example of moderation in an otherwise hostile and toxic political environment. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 03-23-18 03:15pm - 2465 days | #8 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I appreciate the spirited discussion as well as everyone's opinion. I still feel like a newcomer compared to many of you and am not entitled to voice a controversial opinion... thanks for not taking me to task. Amanda, thanks for thinking outside the box and offering to label posts. However, I concur with other posters that it's laborious and won't address the matter. Another poster remarked that it's easy enough to figure out what a thread is about from the title and steer clear if it doesn't pique your interest. I agree, to an extent. Personally, I'm so sick of political posts and the mere sight of them turns me off. I deleted my profile and participation in Facebook, politics every which way you turn being one of the reasons. Though the major reason was that I didn't like Mark and the gang playing with my privacy. Politics has invaded our way of life and I thought PU was one of the few safe havens left. I can't help but think how a newcomer would feel after looking at the forum. Would it turn him off enough to discourage posting? Perhaps. Whatever happens is not a deal changer for me and I will still love this site. I can live with ignoring threads that don't interest me. However, I'd rather not have to look at a thread header detailing the latest political firestorm. That's what facebook and the evening news are for. Or a bajillion other sites. | |
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| 03-23-18 05:29pm - 2465 days | #9 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
Jook, I appreciate the insight into your opinion. But different people enjoy different things. I too worry about the appeal of the site to newcomers if this site becomes too political. I don't use Facebook or social media at all. That's not an option for people like me who rebel against corporate invasions of privacy. Telling me that Facebook would be a better place for discussing politics, though offered with the best intentions, comes across that people with differing points of view shouldn't express them here. What's the point of a forum if people cannot respectfully express themselves? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Mar 23, 2018, 05:40pm | |
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| 03-23-18 05:44pm - 2465 days | #10 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
What about gay rights, racism, religion? Are we going to cross off anything that makes us uncomfortable, because that could be a long list. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 03-23-18 05:55pm - 2465 days | #11 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
I feel it is a valuable exercise to discuss what kind of community we want here. Political discussions on the forums are obviously disturbing to some members and may make PU less welcoming to a casual visitor or new member. But there have been hundreds of threads that have nothing to do with porn in the forums. Why does politics (or gay rights, racism, or religion--thanks biker)cause such a reaction? If we're going to ban things from discussion because they are uncomfortable to people, aren't we really narrowing the content for discussion to the point that any individual can ban something? What if it extends beyond politics? Where does it end? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 03-24-18 12:13pm - 2465 days | #12 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
My basic answer is that if you don't like the political posts then don't read them. I just skip over a lot of that stuff. I see the increased politicism here as merely representative of the over politicization of life today. As for the forum losing it's focus, it's sort of been doing that for a long time. Khan scolded us in the past for going too far at times and I got no problem with Amanda doing that if she feels like it. Banning topics (other than blatant spam) will never work and will probably just drive people away. Early on I had some pretty political threads going that were popular based on views (“Free Speech and Porn” for example) and if Jeff Sessions gets his way I may refire that thread up again. The forum was never meant to be limited to porn when it was created, it was created to allow for expanded conversations among PU members. Everyone here is an adult on an adult oriented web site. Personally, if you're offended by someones politics then don't take it personally. If you feel the need to make threads political then use some adult self censorship and think before you post. About the only way the porn topics will probably pick up is if we get a fresh infusion of new contributors, which at this point is like hoping to see a unicorn, or else others will have to start chipping in. Everyone is free to start forum topics so if you wanna talk porn, start the conversation; don't rely on others to set the agenda if you're not happy with it. | |
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| 03-24-18 01:37pm - 2464 days | #13 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
As far as porn topics go, I think the PU member reviews and comments on the site are the basic draw of the site: We come here to find information about sites, whether we might like to join them, what are the site problems (navigation, billing, poor content, whatever)? And the threads offer a place to post ideas and comments that are not necessarily porn-related. It's good to see new members contributing to the site: but the truth is, traffic to the site, by members and non-members, seems to have dropped way down, even under the former management. I can't give the specific reasons for the drop-off in activity. But I believe the site used to be far more active, with members posting reviews and comments and replies far more frequently than in the last few years. I don't think this is a case of wishful thinking of the good old days. There was just more participation by the members. | |
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| 03-25-18 08:30am - 2464 days | #14 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I mostly agree with the thinking to limit discussions of controversial topics but most of my agreement with that is just that it helps keep the forum focused on porn. | |
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| 03-25-18 08:33am - 2464 days | #15 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I agree. I don't think the site is the problem with lack of participation but it may be that for a while we had the good luck of having a lot of active members who were interested in porn as a hobby, had a combined wealth of knowledge about the hobby and were willing to share that civilly with the rest of us. I don't think that this is something that can be planned for so with some luck the forum will become more active again. I'm in for the long haul here at TBP/PU! | |
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| 03-25-18 08:54am - 2464 days | #16 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
I have no problem with PU restricting the forums to discussions of porn. It is the discretion of PU to do so. If they want to make that move, PU will have to update their user agreement, post the changes, and be responsible for enforcement. I do hope that enforcement would be done equitably where ANY non-porn discussion thread be eliminated, be they political, sociological, technological, or entertainment related. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 03-25-18 11:31am - 2464 days | #17 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I respectfully disagree. I'm fine with eliminating political, sociological, entertainment. But posts and threads on computer programs that can help with downloading or using the sites can be useful. As well as programs that might help with editing videos or photos. (Not that I use any editing programs, but downloading programs are helpful, and the other topics can be interesting.) Anyway, I think that narrowing the site forums to only porn would take away from the interest of the site. And remove the possibility of helpful information about software programs that might be useful. But if it annoys some PU members that other topics are non-porn related, let's have a vote through a poll that shows what the members feel: ban all non-porn-related threads-which would include or not include technical help about software programs or discussions about developments such as VR, Hi definition, etc. And would this include what type of monitor or PC you might buy, or problems about download speeds, etc.? I'm suggesting a poll, to see what the PU members want to see the PU rules should be: on porn and non-porn topics (for the threads). | |
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| 03-25-18 11:49am - 2464 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I wish I could add anything to the discussion but at this point I feel more like an honorary member who visits from time to time than an actual regular participant because the truth is that while I used to visit every single day and try to add to the active discussions. These days I come every once in a while and almost never post. To be really blunt. I think one of the biggest problems with this forum is the number of active participants. In the beginning that wasn't as obvious because while the number wasn't all that big. It was very vocal and that made for dynamic interchanges but the lost of more and more key participants over the few years as only aggravated the situation. That said my not participating as often as I used to is part of the problem and sadly I don't expect to be a regular participant because I've found another forum that discusses porn with a much bigger group of active participants and while they aren't all as articulate and decent as this group. It's a lot more fun to have any kind of discussion when there are many different voices. The only thing that their forum should copy from this one is in the way posters deal with each other. This forum has always strived to remain civil and we have been united against anyone who tried to drag a discussion down the gutter. That is something that few if any forum can claim to have achieved but we have done it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-25-18 12:06pm - 2464 days | #19 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I think Pat hit it on the head.. new members, or at least active new members are few and far between - hence the lack of posts of any kind. I wish I never started this thread. I've come to the conclusion that users are gonna post what they want and people are gonna read what they wanna read. Rules sort of get in the way. For the heck of it, I took a look at the last 20 threads (not counting the 2 sticky threads and this one), and 11 were directly or indirectly related to porn while 9 had nothing to do with the topic. My interpretation of relating to porn includes discussion of peripherals, computers, editing, etc. Not that this means anything. Perhaps I was thinking back to when I first joined when it seemed all the posts were in one way or another related to porn. As has been said by several, the forum and site used to be more active in all respects, especially the forum. It seemed to go south not long after I joined... shoot me [!!]. That's what I miss and perhaps I twisted the change in postings with the increase in non-porn related subjects. One has nothing to do with the other. My vote at this point would be to live and let live and let Amanda and gang figure it out. | |
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| 03-25-18 12:19pm - 2464 days | #20 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
Jook, I appreciate your point of view and understand that politics is a major turn-off for you--no one wants a turn-off on their porn site Please don't regret starting this thread, I feel it has been valuable and sort of long overdue to hash out what people want from PU. I myself was worried about too much politics on PU and posted a poll about it a few weeks ago. The poll results showed that people didn't like the political threads, but there was no consensus to change the forum rules. Poll February 13, 2108 https://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=105699 Jook's last post came online as I posted. I edited to address this issue. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Mar 25, 2018, 01:17pm (Loki: added link to poll) | |
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| 04-03-18 08:29am - 2455 days | #21 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Hello all, Thank you for weighing in and for your frankness. As we all know, this forum has always been a spirited, open place, and we all want to keep it that way. There have been no policy changes to the forum posting rules. Posts of all topics (that adhere to our rules, of course) are welcome. This will boil down to a member's own decision on what to read and what to skip in the forum. Thread titles are generally very descriptive, so that will continue to be helpful in that respect. All this said, communication is key so if anyone sees a thread that disturbs the peace or gets out of hand, please let me know (if I happen to miss it). Once again, thank you for your commitment and passion toward PU. If there's anything else, you can email me or of course bring it up here. | |
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| 04-06-18 04:26pm - 2451 days | #22 | |
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biker (0)
Active User Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
Thank you Amanda you letting us discuss our views to this topic. We are adults here and I hope we can make wise choices as to what discussions we get into and treat others with respect when entering any discussions. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 04-08-18 04:59am - 2450 days | #23 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 585 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Yeah I've always loved visiting this forum once or twice a week to see the new reviews and threads, its always had a great vibe and in the time I've been visiting I can't think of any trolling or spammy crap you see around the net and people respect each other and discussion is really friendly, its always had good owners and moderated really well from Kahn and now Amanda. Since Jan I've been very busy going through my whole porn collection and culling all the vids I deem wouldn't want to see again and archiving the others in simple directories Good, Awesome and Awesome+. The reason for this is I just had some much porn scattered around on various drives not ever really looked at and it all seemed quite hard to find decent stuff as I'd always downloaded stuff I just never really wanted all that much, now I'm going keep it more strict on my preferences of would I watch it again. Anyway I hope to get back being more active when I'm finished, still a few drives to go. Long live pornusers and its forum, on the politics posts I can take them or leave them to be honest if I'm not into the title I don't click, having said that I would prefer the majority of posts to be focused on porn discussions. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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