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| 08-16-10 11:42pm - 5242 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Another Surgical Topic to Debate Knowing cultural view of virginity, Chinese women try surgical restoration This is a pretty interesting article I just found about the growing popularity of hymen restoration surgery among sexually active women in China who want to please their husbands' fantasies of marrying a virgin. It raises quite a few questions about culture and self-image, not to mention what one might interpret as a slavish devotion to pleasing a partner--in this case male ones--when it comes to marriage. A gynecologist interviewed for the article, who they say, "restores as many as 20 hymens a month," illustrates what I think is the big problem with resorting to plastic surgery, saying that " 'I don't agree with this value' placed on virginity, [the doctor] said. 'It's unfair to the women. The men are not virgins. But we can't change this male-privileged society.' " Not with that attitude you can't, and certainly not by contributing to the problem by performing the surgeries that women apparently feel are necessary to please their new husbands on their wedding nights. Call me old fashioned, but whatever happened to accepting and loving someone for who he or she is, not the 'status' of one's virginity? Oh wait, this is marriage we're talking about, love has nothing to do with it, certainly not when the unquestionable bedrock of 'tradition' is at stake. Okay, so I'm not exactly the most idealistic person with whom to discuss marriage or 'love' (interestingly, the word love is never used in the article), but I do not think grown women need to bend over backwards, much less get hymenally 'rejuvenated,' for the purposes of pleasing others, especially hypocritical fiancés and husbands obsessed with outdated myths of marital purity. One guy even compares women to cell phones, saying "If you go to buy a cellphone, of course you'd want to buy a new cellphone. Who would spend the same amount of money to buy an old cellphone that's been used for two years?" And just like buying a cell phone, one should compare rates and plans for the best deal, remembering to always pay the monthly bill of course. Or would that be a divorce settlement?  Maybe I'm just way out of line with this thread; I'm not a doctor (boy, I hope that's obvious to regular members by now), Chinese, a virgin, nor am I interested in getting married anytime soon, or even going near a wedding for that matter, what with my cheery outlook and all. Maybe I'm ignorant of another society, but I don't think cultures should be subject to the whims of elective surgical technology. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-17-10 12:01am - 5242 days | #2 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Seems a little bit odd, especially since as far as I know the hymen is very commonly broken through sports and physical activity. Also, even though the ladies getting it done think it is just a "white lie" and no big deal, if virginity was that important to your partner how would they react to the deception? I also just don't understand it, if given the option wouldn't you want your first sexual experience with your partner to be fun for both of you? Perhaps the repaired hymen breaks in a more comfortable way? I must say it would be fun to get one of those 'revirgination' toys as a gag gift for a wedding, anyone seen any of those in the states? Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-17-10 04:56am - 5241 days | #3 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User  Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
This is not something that's exclusive to China. This type of procedure has been performed in the West for many years. I first heard about this about 30 years ago. Virginity is a pretty popular fetish, and some people get carried away with it. https://www.pornusers.com/search_results.html?Keywords=virgin&x=0&y=0 | |
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| 08-17-10 09:19am - 5241 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Oh no doubt; the West and America in particular probably have the world beat when it comes to genital vanity. The idea of a re-"virgining" is probably just one of the most ridiculous. Not only is it temporary (at least I think it would be) but seems to be the least beneficial for the person going under the knife. I mean would a woman really care to lose her virginity multiple times? Or does she even care that much about the 'looks' of her hymen? The fact that these types of rejuvenation surgery find a market wherever there is money--not too mention the minimal lack of self-confidence--says a lot about human nature and what people are willing to do to their own bodies. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-17-10 09:50am - 5241 days | #5 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Seems pretty pointless to me TBH. I mean would a viriginity fetishist ( for want of a better word ) require the procedure to be done regularly?  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-17-10 09:50am - 5241 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
There's at least one site, Defloration.tv, that is devoted to the act of breaking the hymen, though it appears to be entirely faked, but without the use of surgery. Drooler wrote a hilarious review earlier this year that sort of sums up the silliness of the notion that these sites actually possess virginal girls. A real virginal site would probably not be a very pleasant thing to watch. I imagine something along the lines of a model fairly new to the business going in to do a Max Hardcore shoot. Sure she is all smiles and giggles when it starts but before long she is crying, weeping, and pleading for it to stop. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-17-10 01:41pm - 5241 days | #7 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
That is only true at the beginning of the sexual encounter. But every porno book I ever read, the virgin girl was climaxing and begging for more and harder sex before the guy was finished doing her. Are you telling me my sex education in porn is not reliable?  | |
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| 08-17-10 03:30pm - 5241 days | #8 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
Is this so different from other types of cosmetic plastic surgery? All things considered, hymen reconstruction is a lot less invasive and dangerous than getting breast implants, and the woman isn't reminded every time she looks in a mirror of what she had to do to please her man. | |
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| 08-17-10 03:37pm - 5241 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Most of the "hymen replacement kits" are done for women who live in patriarchal societies. The only person I can think of (beyond the religious freaks) who would want to marry a virgin are those who know they suck in bed and don't want their other half to realize what they're missing. In a 21st century world, this is really more of an issue in economics. For a procedure that costs a few hundred bucks (which is a lot of dough in China), presumably only women who have the smarts to get a decent a job can afford this. This means that they're looking to marry some douchebag who: 1) Wants a virgin because that's what his grandpa said he got for the dowry price of 2 pigs and a chicken; and 2) Presumably has some economic or social class clout that will benefit the woman and her future offspring (if it were "true love", the first requirement wouldn't be necessary). Thus, all she is doing is spending some money to pass along a white lie to pass the first condition in order to reap the future rewards (real or imagined) that she envisions. In societies that mostly treat women as second class citizens, this is the game that gets played when women of at least some means get hitched with men of means. Given the out of whack ratio of men to women in China, I would expect this type of surgery to disappear in most parts of the country as women realize they are worth a lot more due to simple scarcity except for the guys who are really rich or powerful.. | |
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| 08-17-10 05:32pm - 5241 days | #10 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
We've all heard the expression "Life is bowl of popped cherries," but still ... Glad I'm not socially bound to be insecure about a woman's previous sex life. Fine by me if someone's revved the motor up ahead of me. And it costs less and is less painful, I'd imagine. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 08-17-10 06:47pm - 5241 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
What I get from reading the article is that guys can screw pretty much anything that they want because their being a virgin to their wife is not a problem. I'd say that is one hell of a good double standard. On the plus side. if guys put so much value on virginity and are willing to pay to get it then all the power to these women for having the procedure done so that they can milk these douchebags. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-17-10 07:23pm - 5241 days | #12 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Yeah, "true love" of a healthy bank account or a nice home. You know--the institution of marriage!  I wonder if they could create a prenuptial agreement whereby in the event of divorce the husband has to reimburse the wife for her surgery since it was his dumb-ass that cared so much about it. "You wanted it so badly, so pay up, deadbeat!" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-17-10 07:45pm - 5241 days | #13 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
 Not that you're comparing women to cars or anything like that... I don't really understand the hyped appeal of virgins, unless you're one yourself. Even then it's probably not ideal, more like doubly awkward or however many people are involved. It's like learning to drive from someone who's never driven before (uh oh, another car analogy). While I would probably be suspicious if a woman was vastly more experienced than me--though I'm no Casanova, so I shouldn't rule it out--I'm really not sure how comfortable I'd be in a relationship with or marrying a virgin. Prudishness doesn't sound all that attractive nor fun. Of course it could just be that she's a shy girl but still very comfortable with her body and a fearlessly dedicated masturbator, and there's certainly nothing wrong with that!  I'm sure there are more than a few here at PU who would totally take advantage of marrying a virgin. "Honey, trust me: all women normally start with anal. And for the last time; no, that camera is not on!" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-17-10 11:44pm - 5241 days | #14 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I can't imagine that many folks at PU could make it long enough in the relationship with a dedicated virgin to get to the point of marriage - although you do bring up an interesting possibility. I guess some PUers might hang around if she were one of those oh so special "everything but the vagina" virgins. Something I really never understood, if I were dating a girl and she told me she was a virgin, but took it up the ass regualarly, I would probably laugh in her face. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 08-18-10 07:25am - 5240 days | #15 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Oops, looks like I might have to eat my own words...  Newsweek has claimed that Brazil is the "Best Place to Be Surgically Enhanced," with a 15 billion dollar plastic surgery industry. Rock on, Brazil! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-29-10 06:23am - 5229 days | #16 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
To take this on a different tack.... Would that have any reflection on disposable income? I mean surely the US has more of that than Brazil? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-29-10 07:50am - 5229 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think the main reason for Brazil's number one position is a simple question of economics. Read the article on the below link: http://www.brazilmax.com/news.cfm/tborigem/tt_prstuff/id/4 The woman says that she wanted to get a tummy tuck and the estimates from US surgeon's was 56,000 to 86,000$. She could get the procedure done for less than 10,000$. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-29-10 08:53am - 5229 days | #18 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Marrying, no. Initiating, oh yes ... but one might be hard put to find one at legal age. And she'd of course have to have the right attitude. I'd teach her about the MY favorite position. Then all the guys after me would owe me debt of gratitude. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 08-29-10 12:00pm - 5229 days | #19 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Many of the virgin pledges in America are thinly veiled religious messages...so it's unlikely I would have any chance of meeting one of legal age either. I'm just not that comfortable with someone who has that unnatural of an attitude toward sex. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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