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| 11-11-11 09:11pm - 4790 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Penn State Scandal I'm sure most PU'ers have heard of the Penn State scandal involving the rape and molestation--not sex--of several kids over a 15 year period by the school's assistant football coach, and the subsequent covering up by people both below and above him as they found out. A number of firings have occurred, though there's still the glaring absence of any serious police action. Still, despite the natural disgust and rage that these rapes evoke, what I find even worse is a number of the responses to the firings. Most shockingly, some 10,000 students at Penn State, apparently so madly in love with the sport or at least their beloved team, rioted after the firing of Joe Paterno, one of the school's coaches who helped keep the child fucking under wraps.  I admit I have some pretty strong bias here, mostly in that I think not only are most sports a waste of time but the religiosity of their fandom is even worse. (The always quotable and contrarian Christopher Hitchens seems to share my feelings on the subject, quite elegantly in an essay from 2010.) Granted, sports riots are sort of a tradition of the fanbase of popular teams, regardless of whether it's over a victory, defeat, or even a forfeited game. But rioting over the much deserved if long overdue termination of a coach who knew and failed to report a serially pederastic coworker? Sorry, if any of this sounds harsh, but I'm sick and tired of reading and hearing about this as a "sex scandal," with apologists calling for the team to simply continue playing. I'm not a big fan of kids but I certainly don't condone anything that allows them to becoming easy prey for a fucked up adult, whether it's a priest, a parent, or some deified coach. So, am I missing something here? I know there are legitimate sports fans here at PU, including one who may have even played college football, if I'm not mistaken. But what makes people so delusional that they feel the strength of their team is more important than, say, a coach who does not buttfuck 12 year-olds in his free time? Please, if possible, explain what makes people (the fans) so crazy in love with sports? Was the riot just a fluke, or part of a greater disconnect between the fans and the decade and a half of child rape by the coach?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 11-11-11 09:30pm - 4789 days | #2 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Long story short, to many college sports becomes synonymous with drinking yourself stupid while partying with friends. Just take it as the students wanted to remain in denial over the people who they were raised to believe are heroes. "The team" is akin to family, and the coaches are the leaders of this part of the family, and it is the job of the students to defend and support them through thick and thin. College sports is a weird culture. Edited on Nov 11, 2011, 10:45pm | |
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| 11-12-11 01:04am - 4789 days | #3 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
As a PA native with lots of friends that went to Penn State, hopefully I can add some clarity for you. Paterno is pretty much a god there, and as with lots of folks of this stature people believe he can do no wrong. He did a lot for the school, not just the football program, and they are reluctant to give up the hero-worship. A lot of them are quick to side with him and assume he did all that he was supposed to do (he did report the guy). I think it is only partially sports hooliganism, and a lot has to do with how beloved Paterno is. I don't think it is related to the strength of the team, as Penn State as a football team is most certainly better off without him, I don't know that he really does much anymore aside from act as a figurehead for recruiting - and ever since the almost crapping his pants thing I'm sure he isn't helping there much either. Sports in general, particularly for kids I think are mostly good (provided they don't have insanely competitive parents), gets them out exercising and socializing. As far as fans, I'm not sure what makes them so crazy, I seem to recall reading something about it being related to biology/evolution/tribes, but I'm sure that could have been bullshit. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 11-12-11 07:19am - 4789 days | #4 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
If one remembers that "fan" is short for fanatic then it helps put things like this into perspective. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 11-12-11 07:49am - 4789 days | #5 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
If you've never seen it, the indie film Buffalo 66 is a good story about fandom gone berserk, in a chaos-theory sort of way: Star quarterback deliberately messes up play (for pay), causing championship loss and awful consequences for one young male whose parents go crazy after seeing the game on TV. I won't reveal any more, but I thought it was a good story, off the beaten Hollywood path. But I was thinking similar things to what Turboshaft was asking about. (Laughs to self about the name "Turboshaft" and "Slutty," too. And "Drooler" as well). Anyway, the outcry over the firing of a coach who didn't do the right thing when a pedophile he knew was abusing young boys doesn't in the least lower my esteem for my fellow humans. It's low enough already. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 11-12-11 08:00am - 4789 days | #6 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I am NOT a fan of Penn State, Penn State football and for that matter not in love with Pennsylvania (with the notable exception of Longwood Gardens which is the best I've ever seen). And, this is NOT a defense of Papa Joe. But, if I read correctly, he DID pass it on to the school admin when he found out which is what he was suppose to do. And, didn't Sandusky end his involvement at the place where this was happening at around the same time? IDK but a lot of people knew about this and it seems only the high profile people are losing their jobs. The guy that blew the whistle - could he have done more? Should he lose his job? IDC that Joe lost his job - he should have retired 14 years ago. Penn State as an institution should be held accountable if they stuffed this information. And as a lot of sports people are saying, what is being done for the victims? As far as the fanatics - well there is no accounting for mental midgetry. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 11-12-11 09:35am - 4789 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
My view on the whole situation and my opinion of Paterno and everybody else that knew about the incidents would be very different if these things didn't go back to 2002. We are talking about a group of people that knew of sexual abuse of young childreen 9 years ago. Not 9 weeks or 9 months but 9 years. It's been said that Paterno reported the guy? No! What he did was tell others of the situation. The correct thing would have been to tell the police since a crime had been perpetrated and there was a high probability that more children might be at risk. I personaly have no pity for Paterno and I think that anyone who does needs to get their heads examined and to check if they still have a soul. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-12-11 10:35am - 4789 days | #8 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
LOL I am sure anyone who has been stalked could attest to that LOL  Since 2007 | |
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| 11-12-11 10:51am - 4789 days | #9 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Sexual abuse is not restricted to College Football. Actually, the way I read it, the offenses weren't even committed in College but in a group started by the abuser to "help" troubled youth. How ironic and sad. But the sad truth is wherever there are churches with youth groups, scouts, junior sports teams etc. there will be the predators. One of my earliest recollections, way back in the late forties, is that of my scout leader shooting himself at the Swiss/German border when he was about to be arrested for homosexuality and pedophilia. In those days both were illegal. He never touched me but the lives of others were severely effected by his actions. | |
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| 11-12-11 04:00pm - 4789 days | #10 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I had a Boy Scout leader who was a pedophile. He didn't get to me, but I was warned away at an early stage. But once I was molested, in everyone's plain view, at a barber shop. I was just a kid, already emotionally upset at the moment, when it happened. The guy was acting as if he was comforting me and then he took advantage. It was brief, but shocking, and quite deliberate. And the worse still, no one did a thing about it. They just looked the other way. Fortunately, it didn't leave me in the kind of long-term pain felt by those who've had it far worse. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 11-12-11 05:31pm - 4789 days | #11 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Unfortunately one of the rapes in 2002 occurred in the shower area of the team's locker room and witnessed by a former player, then graduate student, now suspended-with-pay assistant coach. What's so screwed up here is the guy (you can find out his name easily enough if you want to) first went to his father for advice, who then told him to go to the head coach where the incident was kept quiet with all the others they knew about. This seems to go against the theory of the bystander effect, where bystanders are less likely to help someone because others are around. Granted the guy told someone, but you think telling it to the police would also happen eventually, especially since it was the rape of a 10 year old. One could assume once it had been reported to the police, though not necessarily the campus police, that this whole thing would have come out in the open then.
I guess one lesson is that as an institution grows in power and size it can become very susceptible to corruption. Some food for thought: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." and "There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it." "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 12, 2011, 05:34pm | ||
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| 11-12-11 06:32pm - 4789 days | #12 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Yes, I read about the shower room as well but since it involved an 11 year old my mind incorrectly transferred the act to a different location because I couldn't see a boy that young in a College setting. But you are right, of course. My mistake. As to your last two paragraphs I also agree. Institutions like the Scouts or the Church or Colleges up to now desperately tried to save their reputation and their very existence by sitting on the evidence rather than going to the Police because their survival depends on the continuous generosity of the faithful or alumni or parents who want to see their kids to grow up straight. Any hint of wrongdoing and the contributions are in danger of drying up so let's sweep it under the carpet. Sad! Criminal! That's why reporting an incident of sexual abuse to a superior is not enough. It has to be the Police, in every case of child abuse, or a job with the institutions who are so valuable to society otherwise will continue to be looked upon as a tempting prize by predatory pedophiles. I hope this incident will finally teach everyone a lesson and make our kids a bit safer in institutions that are meant to help them. Now if we could only do something about all the stuff that goes on behind closed doors without our knowledge, with victims who are too scared and powerless to speak up. | |
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| 11-13-11 09:32am - 4788 days | #13 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
My opinion is that the situation has not been fully disclosed because there's more, a lot more, that we don't really know yet. For example, is it possible that JoePa played by the rules and reported the matter to the police and the police, who are for all intents and purposes, part of the University, covered it up? I really suspect there's a whole lot of rot under the surface that has yet to be disclosed and that Paterno is simply the sacrificial lamb. Why else was the University President fired? | |
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| 11-13-11 11:52am - 4788 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Of course there is a lot more than what is being said but I suspect that most of it will come out sooner or later because the university is going to be sued by many people. I don't believe that Paterno reported this to the police because I can't accept that police officers, who are parents themselves, wouldn't have investigated a child abuser. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-13-11 12:16pm - 4788 days | #15 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
This is how conspiracy theories are born ... But who knows? You may be right ...  I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 11-13-11 07:09pm - 4788 days | #16 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Doubt it. Everyone shoulders the responsibility to make sure shit like this doesn't repeat itself. If the higher up within the University does nothing with your report of child rape, all it takes is letting someone in the media know about it. What is going to happen, a beloved football coach, the icon of the University, fired for preventing child rape? I don't think so. This is an extraordinary circumstance. My opinion, everyone higher up than Sandusky at the Universky who knew deserves to lose their job, plus additional penalties to the college from the NCAA. There must be serious consequences to the actions and neglects. Paterno is in charge of the football program, these rapes happened under his watch, even if he were not aware of it, he still shoulders responsibility. He should have been aware. He should have run the program where people are safe to report these kind of things to him. *If* Paterno reported it, and the higher ups dropped the ball, you think Paterno would have at least not allowed Sandusky to be around, correct? But that obviously wasn't what happened. Paterno deserves to lose his job. Edited on Nov 13, 2011, 07:23pm | |
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| 11-15-11 09:13pm - 4786 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I doubt this too. It seems as Paterno would have already told the media he'd reported it to the police and that they did nothing, rather than keeping it under wraps, or basically within a small though hardly powerless group of people in the football program and at the school. Supposedly he's in the clear legally as he reported it to his supervisor, but not reporting it to the police was still in poor judgement if nothing came of him telling his boss.  Firing Paterno and the university's president are probably some of the first appropriate things the school has done in the wake of this scandal. Granted, the board of trustees, who ultimately fired the president, were probably trying to save face and what's left of the school's reputation, but I think they nonetheless made a sensible decision. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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