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| 07-06-12 09:01am - 4552 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Why My Free Cams is preoccupying my time and money Today's Topic (To use an MFC Phrase): Why was MFC able to suck me in when I wasn't really interested in cams, and why (more importantly) it is able to suck so much money out of my wallet? And why do I still go there daily despite this? I visited MFC (My Free Cams) out of curiosity. I had visited Live Jasmin and a few other cam sites before and had run away like a little boy when I realized how expensive they were and how unappealing the set-up seemed to be. Paying $5 or $6 a minute ($300 to $360 an hour) to see a girl do something I could see for FREE at thousands of porn sites? Didn't even seem attractive. But, curiosity and the promise of FREE led me down the path and I went to check out the site.  In my previous work I learned that small rewards are actually stronger at changing behavior than big rewards, because big rewards make us confront the fact that we are actually changing our behavior and for most of us real change is scary. So, small rewards tempt us and we grab at the apple just like Eve. MFC does this brilliantly by giving you the free Guest membership and then quickly letting you know that for only $19.95 you can become a "Premium" member for LIFE and with it actually have a little status on the site. Also you get 200 tokens that you can give the models as tips. Since by then you've seen models give big smiles and loud "Thank you"s to Premium members who had only given a mere 10 tokens (less than a dollar) to the model as a tip. Wow! An incredibly pretty girl will notice me and give me a big smile for less than a dollar! Now I can act out the fantasy of being the big shot at the strip bar for a mere dollar here and there. Of course mere dollars here and there add up and I quickly spent over $400 dollars in just a few weeks, almost more money than I had spent on porn in a couple of years. Jay G Edited on Jul 06, 2012, 07:12pm | |
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| 07-06-12 02:13pm - 4552 days | #2 | |
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Thomas20 (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 27, '09 Location: England |
Dude 400 bucks !! That's a salutary lesson for us all lol ! I also read your comments on the comments board about the site on the site which appear to give the lie to the notion that producers have to make more and more extreme stuff to sell lots of it. You don't. What you have to do is engage with the consumer better. | |
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| 07-06-12 06:37pm - 4551 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'd say that 400$ in just a few weeks is pretty cheap by cam standards. You could easily spend that amount in one night if you aren't carefull. The entire concept of cam porn does nothing for me so I'm never going to be enticed by their offers but even if I was interested then the prices they charge are so beyond my budget that it doesn't matter because I can't afford the least expensive cam model. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-06-12 07:02pm - 4551 days | #4 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
"Engaging the consumer" hits the nail on the head. While the fantasy of walking through a harem with about 1000 women at a time is a great starter, these are REAL people who chat or don't chat, smile or sit sullen, and sometimes are even tragic in the failure of their hopes for big bucks promised and small change received. A few of the women I chat with and get to enjoy their company, pretty woman from across the world with no sexuality at all in our chat. I want to generously tip them as they are so appreciate for the ten or twenty dollars that to me is not a lot of money. Of course, "not a lot of money" repeated too often becomes "an awful lot of money." Jay G Edited on Jul 06, 2012, 07:09pm | |
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| 07-06-12 07:07pm - 4551 days | #5 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Pat, I'm sure you are right. the problem is that part of me really enjoys being a fantasy "big shot," throwing money around and being important to several beautiful women, even if for only a few moments. The problem, of course, is that, like a gateway drug, the few dollars pleasure of this particular "hit" wants another and another day after day. The thrill is far less sexual and much more the pleasure of momentarily feeling important to a real person who actually appreciates your generosity. Jay G | |
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| 07-06-12 09:28pm - 4551 days | #6 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I've shaken my head in amazement at the amount that I've seen guys tip some of these cam girls in "free" chat at MFC. Some cam girls - Sammie Rhodes, comes especially to mind - are brilliant at engaging with guys, teasing them, encouraging them, playing with them and getting them to tip huge amounts of money as a result. If people are having fun, I'm nobody to criticize them for it. I find the best deals in cam are at Cam-models aka Streamate, where the cam girls do set-price "Gold" shows so that it's clearly stated what the price is, how long the show is, etc, and you're not thinking the whole time, "Damn, how many minutes is it now and how much is it per minute? How much have I spent so far?", etc. Last night Lupe Fuentes, looking more ravishing than I've ever seen her before, did a fabulous 9-minute "Gold" show for $3. She didn't start until she had 100 guys sign up and more guys were joining all through the show, so I'm sure she did quite well for herself, though the pre-show "selling" of the show was probably not a lot of fun for her. | |
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| 07-07-12 06:42am - 4551 days | #7 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 585 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Yeah I've visited these sites before and seen a few really tempting girls that I would of adored to of seen more and chatted more, but its something I've always said no way when i consider the price and the quality of the cam is far from HD, well on the sites I've seen and I simply am too poor for this type of porn, as stated it can soon add up to a lot of bucks and think I may become fast into debt lol so I stay away from paying ever on these sites. That said the $3.00 a gold show does sound interesting and think that would work better and a cute girl could soon get 100 guys sign up, that's something I maybe would be interesting in. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 07-07-12 01:29pm - 4551 days | #8 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
The girls doing the Gold Shows tend to be pros, so they tend to have excellent cams, which means vid quality is great. And, since it's stated before hand exactly how much for exactly how long, there's not much temptation to spend more - and certainly no begging by the models for you to give more than the stated price. | |
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| 07-08-12 02:21am - 4550 days | #9 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Thanks, Panther for the info. Of course, the problem for me is that watching a cam girl with an audience of 100 is not what I really enjoy. Interaction where the girl knows YOU are there and teases and flirts with you is my real weakness. This of course is how girls in both the cam world and the real world have always been able to help me part with my money.  Jay G | |
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| 07-08-12 02:47am - 4550 days | #10 | |
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
After reading this thread, I gave it a try last night and logged on to MFC. My first impression was, that the design of the site is just horrible. Way too many different colors, confusing and borderline amateurish navigation (browsing options etc. are displayed as links instead of buttons, just one example). Talking about browsing: the site needs more filter options. The second thing I noticed is that the connection - for me (sitting in EU) - was generally rather slow, although my connection is usually pretty decent. I had lots of lag, regardless of the location of the model. My third observation, after reading some profiles, is that some the models are more than just a little cheeky. Posting "rules" such as "don't just hang out in my room" and "say a word when you enter the room, otherwise you'll be kicked" seems to be quite counterproductive to their business. I mean, they want MY money and I'm sure they would gladly accept it even if I didn't say "hello".  On the plus side, I've seen some very familiar and popular names on there. The quality of the stream (minus the lag) was quite good. | |
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| 07-08-12 08:22am - 4550 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I have to ask this question because some of you actually enjoy cam stuff. Is there any way to know if the guys who tip the girls are real or if they are fake customers that were planted there by the cam operator to help make the real customers feel guilty about not tipping or make them feel guilty in tipping so low that they actually tip a little more? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-08-12 08:31am - 4550 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Is there any way to know for 100% sure? No. The models are getting real money, from what they say. If that were going on, cam models would be talking about it on twitter in about 2 seconds, because they talk about EVERYTHING on twitter, so a site doing that would be exposed fairly quickly. The reality is that there are enough guys willing to toss their money at nekkid women that there is no reason for cam sites or strip clubs or other such businesses to rely on "tip-fluffers". The suggestion gets raised by people that can't believe that real customers behave that way, but they do, in fact, behave that way. | |
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| 07-09-12 06:35am - 4549 days | #13 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Interesting reading about your experiences because they are so different from mine. Of course we are literally coming from two different places. MFC could be greatly improved in so many ways including the much better filtering system you suggested. The reason I still spend so much time there is that all the other cam sites I've seen are so much worse. I've actually also spent a lot of time looking for a cam site besides MFC because there are such great possibilities of something like MFC, but more interesting, since MFC doesn't allow men or trannies or couples. A heterosexual site that allows more than just masturbation and girl/girl would be what I'm looking for. I actually find the ease of navigation where I can jump from room to room looking into what's actually going on seeing dozens of rooms per minute very attractive. I choose the setting "cam previews small" and see a snapshot of what happened a minute or two ago in that room. The fact that there are usually about 1000 cams on at a time and that every cam is a separate entrepreneur is fascinating to me. It is like going through a red light district where there are dozens of different approaches by hundreds of different girls. While one girl is enthusiastically shoving dildos in and out of all holes for free, another is asking for 200 tokens to see her tits, and another is fully clothed and bitching at customers for not tipping enough. To me this is entertainment better than any reality TV show. Because of my attention deficit disorder, I really do spend lots of time looking at hundreds of rooms, only once in a while settling down for several minutes in one room, usually because there is an actual chat going on with beautiful girls and a few other friendly customers. It feels like friendly bar conversation and I feel the need to periodically tip the pretty female bartender. For sexual stimulation there is plenty of porn out there that beats anything you will see on cams. For entertainment and a feeling of human interaction, cams are full of entertainment, unpredictable, and horribly interesting. Porn's version of Nascar, fast, interesting, and with unpredictable wrecks. Jay G Edited on Jul 09, 2012, 03:47pm | |
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| 07-09-12 10:37pm - 4548 days | #14 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
"Porn's version of Nascar, fast, interesting, and with unpredictable wrecks." Very true - you've got the non-nude models that finally have a nip-slip or forget where their hands are for a few seconds - or where mesh top thinking that any fabric at all means that their nips are invisible or they have some drinks and don't give a crap. Or you have the girls that do shows when they have the flue and drink too much Nyquil and just flat-out fall asleep - believe me, it's happened. Or you have the girls who just have affection for the guys that come and play with them and encourage them to express their sexuality in whatever geeky, sexy way occurs to them at the moment. | |
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| 07-10-12 03:20am - 4548 days | #15 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
All you said & more, Panther. Sleeping beauty is not that uncommon. Some of the chatting cam girls whom I like seem even more addicted than I am and stay on 10, 12 hours or more. I've seen them fall asleep in the middle of a chat with us, just nodding off on the couch. I cannot imagine a job more boring than being a cam girl, though. There are a few threesomes where the girls seem to repeat the same acts over and over again for hours at a time. It is not a looped video, either, because they react with thanks each time I tip them. I, however, tip them and move on, seeing dozens of rooms during my visits. It is the feeling of being a kid at a naughty carnival for me, running from tent to tent seeing the sights, while the girls are limited to staying in the same tent hour after hour while gawkers like me come and go.  Jay G | |
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| 07-10-12 06:25am - 4548 days | #16 | |
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tangub (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Feb 03, '10 Location: UK |
That reminds me of how I felt spending hours wandering around the red light district in Amsterdam.  | |
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| 07-10-12 08:22am - 4548 days | #17 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
If I were in Amsterdam, I know that's where I would be every free moment. But here in the USA MFC will have to do. Jay G | |
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| 07-10-12 08:39am - 4548 days | #18 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
The more I explore this site, the more I realize what a great business model this is and that there's tons of untapped potential out there. Setting up a site that allows random entrepreneur cam girls or guys to set up their booth on your virtual carnival lot for 50% of the take is genius. Throw out extra bonuses rewards for camscores, etc., do a little organization, a lot of over-site to not run afoul of the law, & keep good books, and you have a business model that would seem to be superior. Like having a huge strip club where you don't have to pay the girls but get to keep 50% of their tips. From all my private experience, I would say at this point that ALMOST ALL cam sites shut out most potential customers by their outrageously high upfront prices (around $300 to $360 an hour) while this site lures huge numbers of customers in with free stuff and seduces numbers of them to spend even more in the end as they form attachments, try to be big shots and try to please the girls with huge tips (I've seen 1000 token, $100 tips). remember, the cam site gets HALF of that tip merely because she's working in their tent! The brilliant business model here is: Lure huge numbers of customers into the store with free stuff (free views of 1000 independent contractor models whom you don't have to pay), get many customers to begin ponying up small amounts of money for small rewards (premium membership benefits for life are only $19.95), and then get a smaller fraction of eager men to spend huge amounts willingly pursuing pretty girls and spending very large sums of money. The girls who lure a guy into a "private session" charges that $6 a minute $360 an hour fee still, and the cam site gets half! As a businessman I learned that you don't lose money having customers come into your store, even if they don't buy anything the first time. Get them in with a sale or special promotion and some of them will spend a lot of money on other items. If I weren't old and long retired I'd be very tempted to get into this business since the costs seem relatively low compared to the potential profits. I'd say the potential is porn-Facebook potential. Anyone want to be a billionaire?  Jay G Edited on Jul 10, 2012, 08:51am | |
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| 05-20-13 10:44am - 4234 days | #19 | |
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ukwanker (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 20, '13 |
I have 23k award points on MFC - I daren't even think what that amounts to in actual money. Hi | |
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| 05-20-13 01:32pm - 4234 days | #20 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hey cool way to revise an year old thread. Cams are a good money maker for many sites, it is sites that are all cam that do not atract me much. Since 2007 | |
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| 05-20-13 01:48pm - 4234 days | #21 | |
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ukwanker (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 20, '13 |
MFC has picture sets and videos for sale too  Hi | |
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| 05-22-13 10:58pm - 4231 days | #22 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
23k award points = $12.50, I believe jk | |
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| 05-24-13 12:19am - 4230 days | #23 | |
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ukwanker (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 20, '13 |
I wish Hi | |
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| 05-24-13 07:34am - 4230 days | #24 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Are pic sets any good? What do they entail ?? Thanks Since 2007 | |
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| 05-26-13 01:27pm - 4228 days | #25 | |
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ukwanker (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: May 20, '13 |
On the whole the pic sets aren't great. Some girls get professionally done sets which can be ok but most don't bother Hi | |
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