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| 08-16-08 06:57am - 5972 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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MargulisAZ (0)
Suspended Posts: 49 Registered: Jul 06, '07 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
What are your thoughts on this? So I saw a video last night that actually kind of disturbed me, and I've seen a LOT of porn. Let me explain it to you and I'm interested to hear people's feedback on it. I would imagine we've all seen a scene at some point in time where the girl in the vid is in some pain because of either a big dick or anal sex. Well I've seen quite a few of those but usually the girl either loosens up to the activity or they stop the activity, whatever it is. well, last night I downloaded a vid and it was with a girl that was obviously a teen, and she's with 2 fairly big dicked guys. They're all speaking spanish so I can't understand what they're saying, but after a while one of the guys inserts anal and the girl SCREAMS for him to stop immediately. He doesn't, and she starts to pull away out of obvious severe pain. She starts saying "no no no" and then all the guys are talking again for a while with her, coaxing her to try again. So she gets doggie and is willing to try again, then the guy slams back in her ass and she's immediately once again like "NO!". Now is when it gets bad, as they just do not stop and let her go. The two guys take turns on her for about 5 minutes with her visibly crying, screaming, yelling, wincing, and trying to get it to stop. But it doesn't. When it's finally over she's just a sobbing wreck huddled in a ball, and the guys are all proud of themselves. I've never seen something like that. At first (keep in mind I'm saying right at first) it kind of turned me on, but once it became apparent it needed to stop and that she was not going to become ok with it, I lost complete arousal and was really kind of shocked. So what do you guys think about this? And let's be brutally honest. Would that turn you on, or would it disgust you? Have you ever seen something like that before? | |
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| 08-16-08 09:59am - 5972 days | #2 | |
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NMC2008 (0)
Active User  Posts: 40 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: Los Angeles, California |
I am disgusted by all brutal porn, now I don't wanna step on anyone else's tastes and such but I personally see no reason why porn(which is about sexual stimulation for BOTH parties)has to be abusive and brutal, I mean what is the point of slapping a woman in the face because she puked after the guy forcefully rams his cock down her throat? I only like good old traditional abuse free porn and you will never see any porn in my collection where anyone is abused in any fashion, sex is for fun and stimulation not for torture and mutilation. | |
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| 08-16-08 08:35pm - 5971 days | #3 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
There are certain things I like that can be abusive and others that I do not go for. NMC2208 pointed out the puking and slapping. The puking is okay to me as long as the girl is willing to keep going. I do not enjoy the face slapping no matter if she likes it or not. If a girl deep throats hard enough to puke then it has to feel pretty good to the guy at least. But the slapping I can not see as feeling good to anyone. Incredible Pass frequently write degrading things on the girls' heads and that really does nothing for anyone. That honestly is something if I had a lot of time I would actually cut out of the videos I downloaded from them. Assuming what you downloaded and watch was real and the girl was actually saying no and in real pain that I would have to call that rape. I have no interest in rape, real or simulated. I feel that it sends out the wrong image and enough porn like that getting out could ruin porn all together. Rape really should not be shown in porn because there are real people that get raped and it definitely can ruin a person's life. Besides, what did those guys have to be proud of anyway. They were not even able to please the girl. Lets not get into the "does size matter" debate, but it does not matter how big it is if the girl can not enjoy it. And it is not like she is going to go up to her friends and say what a big dick they have and try to get her friends jealous. No, she is going to tell them that she said no and they kept going. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 08-17-08 03:34am - 5971 days | #4 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Being brutally honest, as you put it, yeah, it might, with this caveat: The scene needs to include a disclaimer of sorts indicating that all activities depicted were consensual. If you edited much of the content produced by Kink.com - you could easily convince a jury it was rape. What makes it ok and sexually appealing is that it isn't - the viewer (and the performers) get to explore that fantasy of rape without actually committing or condoning it. The scene you describe could be real or it could be a performer losing themselves in the fantasy of it. Without seeing it myself I can't say which side of the fence I believe it falls on. A number of models for Kink have stated that the activities they performed worked as a catharsis for them. The pain was real, but they can cry and scream and yell for whatever reasons they need to - it was as much a form of emotional release as it was a sexual escapade. Getting to the root of the matter though, the activity isn't really the issue - it is the question of whether all parties involved would agree that the activity was consensual. One of the mandates of freedom, is that others may enjoy freedoms that we do not. Sexually, there are a number of activities I don't find arousing. A few examples: needles, clothes pins and other clamps, anything involving fecal matter or blood, puking, burning. I firmly believe that people should be allowed to perform those activities as long as all parties involved consent to it. Freedom dictates that people be allowed to do all activities, not just ones I agree upon. Now I will grant that I don't trust my fellow man. That is why there is a government to set limits to our freedoms - like activities that result in the guaranteed death of a being capable of self-recognition (i.e. anything that passes the Mirror Test or equivalent). I'm not a fan of rules, but humans have shown over and over that some rules need to be in place lest things get out of hand. Politically I often find myself in a bit of a conundrum due to the fact that I long for small government in the style of laissez-faire, so I will have free access to porn, explosives, guns and be able to race about at a billion miles an hour. On the other hand, I'd like universal health care and I think minimum wage needs to be there so people don't starve. I guess I want a small government that protects the little people from poverty and disease but lets the rest of us run around blowing shit up. The wild-west with a smile and clean hospitals. Oh, and no death penalty - because it is hard to say sorry when you've already killed the person (in the case of wrongful convictions). I'm all for personal revenge, but we the people shouldn't be exacting revenge on the individual. Rehabilitation and treatment - fine. Revenge just isn't an action the government should be allowed to take. At any rate, back to the questions at hand. Have I seen content like that described? Yes. Have I liked it? Some of it, yes. What do I think about it? If it is consensual, then it is a A-OK. Otherwise, not so much. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 08-18-08 10:49am - 5970 days | #5 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
If it is consensual, That for me is the problem, I am not here to discuss any actors moral issues. But what is consensual? This girl was obviously paid and it was consensual at first? So when in a contract if you agree to Anal sex does the scene have to stop? In the real movies actors do there own stunts, at what time can they say thats too much? After all they are consensual consenting to that form of bodily abuse, so are stunt men. Sexual borders and consensual activity. If my boss is acting like and ass and I tell him to stop he can fire me, or I can walk away if he forces sex I get him arrested. Working contract or not. This lady seems to have made the choice to end it, and it was chosen to continue by her boss. Lets reverse this its a gay scene and the guy cant take the anal and the two guys take him on anyways as he freaks out the hold him and force the penatration? Ummm we look at that and go umm contract or not thats gotta end. Its like prison rape. Looking at this girl the answer is no, consensual or not. The viewer ( US) should never be put in the position of guessing if what we are watching is legal. That is why we all must be careful about making sure models we view are at least 18, same reason you could be called into court for watching and viewing a rape. I agree sites like this need a disclaimer, but even then consensual or not, I think abuse even simlulated is not what fantasy and sex are about, and its not what porn is about. It borders on how we view snuff films, as society is this really what we want to view consensual or real rape? Guessing or not why would we ???? I hope not. Since 2007 | |
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| 08-18-08 07:28pm - 5969 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Since I haven't witnessed that particular scene then I can't comment on it. What I can say is that I find no sexual arousal in hearing a women crying or see the pain in her face because of something being done to her against her will. On the other hand, I have enjoyed quite a few movies where the theme was non-consensual or at least coerce sex. The reason is that at no time did you get a feeling that it was anything but fantasy. I've been a member of a couple of Kink.com websites, as well as a a few others with S/M and bondage as their main theme. They usually have either a pre-scene interview or a pre and post scene interview. If you didn't have that then, I do believe many of them could face possible rape or physical abuse charges. Afterall you have a girl tied up, gagged, being whipped and sodomized. Toadsith is correct that with good editing, you could create some fairly powerful legal ammunition against these people. I don't know if anyone is aware but until the arrival of the internet, it was very rare to impossible to see a girl tied up and being fucked. The rule is quite simple. You can have a girl having sex, but she can't be restrained and vice versa you can have a girl being restrained but no sex. The old debate on wheter a performer was consensual or not is a difficuy one, because it's often a case of he said she said. I have read that a few performers cried abuse or coercion during the filming of a scene. The strange thing is that these same perfomers went back to that studio to film more material, so do I belive her or not. I do think that some girls were and are still being taken advantage of. That is a reality of life for everyone, not just pornstars. The main difference is that when I think someone is fucking me over. He isn't really. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-18-08 10:22pm - 5969 days | #7 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
That is a very good point - in fact, Kink themselves were very, very cautious about producing content that involved both bondage and male/female intercourse (for some reason bondage with female/female intercourse is considered ok). If you are curious about that subject and the origins of Kink as well as a bit of a retrospective on bondage in general, there is a fabulous profile piece by the New York Times on Kink and its owner, Peter Acworth. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazi...9941be4b&ei=5124" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">"A Disciplined Business" The New York Times April 29th, 2007 "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 08-19-08 02:52pm - 5969 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:29pm | |
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| 08-19-08 03:12pm - 5969 days | #9 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Is that the official reason against the legalization of Bestiality? Zoophilia (also known as Bestiality and sometimes Beastiality) has a long history in human culture and artwork. I find it strange to claim sexual relations with an animal cannot be legal because an animal is incapable of informed consent and yet animals are coerced into all kinds of behavior via training. Informed consent is most certainly not involved with police dogs - they believe it to be a big game. That is largely the reason that police dogs must retire after being shot as they no longer want to play that game. If informed consent is needed for animals to be porn stars, then it should be needed for them to enter any potentially harmful occupations, be it physical or mental harm. If it is absurd to worry about informed consent with a police dog or horse, than the same should go for their participation in the pornographic industry. Unlike the Zoophilia informed consent hypocrisy, the ban on child porn works fine as children aren't allowed in other potentially dangerous occupations for the same informed consent reason. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 08-19-08 06:37pm - 5968 days | #10 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
But certainly you're not suggesting that just because humans have a "long history" with something then it's ok by today's standards. I mention this because it occurs to me that rape also has a long history in both culture and art but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't suggest it is an acceptable practice in today's society. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 08-19-08 06:39pm - 5968 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Now that you mention it. Their older material was females with females whenever there was any penetration involved. I guess at some point they took a chance because they now have "Sex and Submission" and that's with a man playing the part of a Dom and the female is the Sub. I think it's just one of those strange double standards that exist in the real world. You can have female only Gyms, but good luck trying to have a male only ones, at least without getting sued. I guess it's the same way with female with female bondage and penetration. Afterall we all know that a woman would never, ever sexually abuse another woman or man...Not. Thanks for the link. That was both interesting and educational. If the articles numbers were correct. They make about 1.8 millions$ each month in membership fees. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-19-08 06:51pm - 5968 days | #12 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
You are correct, I'm not suggesting that rape or zoophilia are acceptable practices in today's society, as our laws clearly express. That statement was to make the point that it is neither a new nor a particularly unusual phenomena. Whether it stays unacceptable or not as our society changes, only time will tell. The overall point I was trying to make is that if our laws banish zoophilia solely on the basis of informed consent - they are not in step with our other animal related laws toward animal occupations. Informed consent would be incredibly hard to prove with most animals, even ones with relatively impressive cognitive capacities. Gorillas would probably be the only ones right now that could feasibly provide informed consent. Yet many animals are put in harm's way on a daily basis without that elusive informed consent. I'm not stating that zoophilia should be or will be made legal in our society anytime soon - I'm stating that if that is the letter of the law, then it should be thrown away and rewritten to something that matches how our government address animals in other respects. I'm simply looking for consistency. I haven't see the specific federal laws that ban zoophilia, perhaps they are more specific, but if not - that is a bit of an incongruity that should be addressed by law makers. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 08-19-08 07:22pm - 5968 days | #13 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:29pm | |
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| 08-20-08 06:40am - 5968 days | #14 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Brutal behavior in porn turns me OFF - and I get disgusted. If it's entirely an ACT - then ok - but still it's something that is not in my league. If it's NOT an act - well, there's a law (in most contries) against mollesting another human beeing - and the assholes should be prosecuted - and that goes for the distributers, money-people and so on. Remember the socalled snuff-movies in the 1970's - was that real or not? Was it ever confirmed that any girl was actually killed in such a movie? I ask, because I do not know what came out of those speculations in the end... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 08-20-08 08:37am - 5968 days | #15 | |
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MargulisAZ (0)
Suspended Posts: 49 Registered: Jul 06, '07 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
Sure kicked off some conversation with this post. So to update a little bit, I'm very familiar with scenes such as from Kink or some other sites where the content may involve pain/humiliation, but is consensual. That was not the case in this video, clearly. It was shot in the manner of a scene you would see from maybe Pure18/casting couch cuties/ etc. Just a bed with 2 guys. That's what made me post about it, because it was practically terrible to watch as the girl was clearly not just acting, but in horrible pain and still going on. | |
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| 08-20-08 10:04pm - 5967 days | #16 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
There are rough fantasy vids that I find a turn on - there's a lot of forced sex fantasy in Japanese porn and I find that a turn on much of the time. Then there's stuff like Funny BDSM, which I also find a turn on - it's really campy and silly. A lot of the other rough sex stuff that's really popular in the US and Europe and is really macho and all about how demeaning the guys can be and how they can break the women - well, that stuff gets really boring. I really enjoyed one Amy Reid scene where the guy was getting rough with her in a way that she wasn't gonna stand for and she just hauled off and punched him in the balls - lol. That settled the bastard down a bit. The scene described sounds like something that I would find a real turn off. Can there be rape when the girl is paid to be fucked on camera? Sure - and there's a lot of porn where the girls are being taken advantage of - and this sounds like a perfect example. | |
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| 08-21-08 03:18am - 5967 days | #17 | |
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Colm4 (0)
Active User  Posts: 117 Registered: Sep 22, '07 Location: Holland |
Here in Holland, beastiality is still legal. That's about to change soon though, but for the moment, as long as the animal is not hurt, it's legal. Someone who was caught red-handed with an animal was released from prison today actually because the animal was not hurt. He only got a fine because he was on someones property. But to the subject, I guess it's in human nature to like that abuse stuff. Just look at the popular Saw and Hostal movies where people are tortured. I haven't seen those but obviously there's a big market for it. | |
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| 08-22-08 08:51am - 5966 days | #18 | |
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roseman (0)
Suspended  Posts: 29 Registered: Jan 15, '07 Location: Toronto, Canada |
Brutal porn is always disgusting for me. I never liked seeing a girl being in pain while having sex. '' Velvet Roses In My Way '' | |
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| 01-06-09 06:08am - 5829 days | #19 | |
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ramscrota (0)
Suspended  Posts: 54 Registered: Jul 04, '07 Location: Geelong Vic Australia |
I agree with MargulisAZ. I think there's a vast difference between, say, the Kink sites and what he described. Sex should be totally consentual, and should be fun. | |
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