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02-05-18  09:17am - 2469 days #151
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


Kind of have to agree. I don't see the need for it here, but it doesn't bother me one way or another.

I agree. PU and politics is a volatile mixture which can only hurt PU.

02-07-18  09:25am - 2467 days #152
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Originally Posted by mbaya:


I agree. PU and politics is a volatile mixture which can only hurt PU.


I respectfully disagree. Part of the problem with polarization in that people of differing political ideologies don't mix in an open-minded and respectful forum. There is nothing that precludes liberals, moderates,and conservatives (and others) from being respectful and thoughtful with each other.

That said, if PU finds political discussions off limits because they get heated, a few suspensions of forum privileges or a policy of "no politics in the forums" can rectify the situation. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

02-07-18  09:58am - 2467 days #153
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^I think that you make some excellent points and on paper I completely agree with you but I think you have overlooked two very important elements that have to be there and sadly aren't. The first is that everyone must agree that a fact is a fact and not something that is open to interpretation or how you feel about it and the other is an open-mind.

At this point while I'm not sure that you can find enough people on both sides willing to have an open mind. I know that you won't find enough of them willing to agree on what a fact is and that's a problem for the US because if most Americans can't agree on verifiable information than what you have is the current state of affairs where you feel that you are correct but haven't done any research and refuse to do it because you feel you are right. Long live the Brown Coats.

02-07-18  04:35pm - 2467 days #154
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Banning a type of speech is a poor way to deal with people abusing their freedom of speech.

I've always liked the PU community. There's plenty of room for us to disagree on what kinds of porn we each like, and that doesn't make us turn on each other. But mention a political issue and it's like everyone grows fangs and claws and is looking for a death match with an ideological opponent.

I don't really understand why it's so hard to try and see the other person's POV, and if you can't, why you can't just accept that their beliefs are different and respect that.

Maybe I'm an idealist, but I don't like the idea that we have to censor speech because people can't be respectful. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

02-07-18  06:12pm - 2467 days #155
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Freedom of speech in the United States is only protection from government censorship. It doesn't give people the right to say or do whatever they want without regard to other peoples' sensibilities and any repercussions that might result. If you were an atheist, would you stand up in a church and ramble on almost every day for two months about how much you thought Jesus Christ is a fraud? You certainly have that right. Only a person with no sense of decorum would do something so inappropriate.

As it happens, I haven't liked any President we've had since Reagan but would have found three pages of ranting against any them just as inappropriate. The political party entrenchment and divisiveness in the U.S. make it wrong for here. The fact that this same kind of division has reared its ugly head in other parts of the world makes it wrong for here.

Yes, just my opinion. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on Feb 07, 2018, 06:20pm

02-07-18  07:40pm - 2467 days #156
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02-08-18  09:49am - 2466 days #157
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


Freedom of speech in the United States is only protection from government censorship. It doesn't give people the right to say or do whatever they want without regard to other peoples' sensibilities and any repercussions that might result.


Quite true, the First Amendment only prevents the government from telling us what we can and can't say. Forums are not protected outlets, but I still think that banning a topic of conversation is an inappropriate way to deal with the issue. I think people have a responsibility to be courteous and decorous with their comments. If a person crosses the line, it's a duty for the forum moderators to intervene. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

02-16-18  08:34pm - 2458 days #158
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Florida Governor Rick Scott says FBI director should resign over Florida shooting.
However, this is not enough.
The President of the US, Don Trump, and the Florida Governor, Rick Scott, also need to resign, since these shootings happened during their watch: they failed to protect the citizens under their control.
Start a petition to demand they accept responsibility and must resign.

Republicans (Trump and Scott) are quick to demand others must take responsibility and resign: but they are slow to accept responsibility and resign.
Trump, the 5-time draft dodger, who now serves as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.


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Rick Scott says FBI director Wray should resign over Florida shooting

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Feb 16th 2018 9:34PM


Florida Governor Rick Scott has said that FBI Director Christopher Wray should resign over the lack of response to a tip the bureau received about the Florida school shooting suspect earlier this year, reports CBS News.

The FBI noted in a statement on Friday that it received the tip on January 5, when “a person close” to Nikolas Cruz called its tipline and expressed concerns “about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.”

The bureau said that the information should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office but “these protocols were not followed” and “no further investigation was conducted at that time.”

Wray is quoted in the statement as saying, “We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy.”

In his response to the FBI’s statement, Scott called the bureau’s failure to take action “unacceptable.”


“Seventeen innocent people are dead and acknowledging a mistake isn’t going to cut it,” Scott said. “An apology will never bring these 17 Floridians back to life or comfort the families who are in pain.”

Cruz, 19, a former student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, reportedly confessed to gunning down 17 people on Wednesday.

02-16-18  10:37pm - 2458 days #159
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If the only thing that would happen would be the resignations of Trump and Scott, it would just be symbolic and result in more of the same.

As Chief Justice Warren Burger stated, the 2nd Amendment has been grossly misinterpreted for the sake of special interests. They include the gun manufacturers.

And here we are, 27 years later, having gotten nowhere with preventing needless death and mayhem through sensible gun control, which should include a total ban on assault rifles except for the police and of course the military.

It takes humanity and courage to do the right thing, and the powers that be just aren't made of that kind of stuff. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-17-18  10:43pm - 2457 days #160
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If Trump had an affair with ex-Playmate Karen McDougal, at least he has good taste in some of his women. She's a looker.

Would I believe Trump's denials? The man wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass.

And who would believe AMI as a source of truth or fact?

Playing around is not a cause for impeachment. Nor are public lies.
But maybe Congress should hold hearings, force Trump to explain past relationships under oath, then have a case for impeachment like Bill Clinton went through.
Republicans, taking the high moral ground, in the swamp of Washington that Trump promised to cleanse.
Go, Congress!

If AMI didn't find McDougal's story credible, why did it pay her $150,000 for the story?

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The Wrap

Ex-Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal Says She Had 9-Month Affair With Trump – And Deal to Keep Quiet

New Ronan Farrow story in the New Yorker details new accusation — as well as orchestrated campaign to silence women
Thom Geier | Last Updated: February 16, 2018 @ 11:58 AM


Donald Trump had a nine-month affair with former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal in 2006 — two years into his marriage to Melania Trump — and built up an elaborate system to keep his infidelities out of the press, Ronan Farrow wrote in a blockbuster New Yorker article published early Friday.

McDougal confirmed a Wall Street Journal report from shortly before the 2016 election that she was paid $150,000 by National Enquirer publisher American Media Inc. for her account of any affair she had with a “then-married man.”

According to the New Yorker, that “then-married man” was Donald Trump, then a real estate mogul and star of NBC’s “The Apprentice.”

She wrote in an eight-page hand-written note obtained by the New Yorker that Trump met her at the Playboy Mansion in 2006, offered her money after the first time they had sex, showed her Melania’s separate bedroom in Trump Tower and reimbursed her for flights to avoid creating a paper trail.

She said she ended the affair in April 2007 after nine months — which means that her relationship would have overlapped with one that porn star Stormy Daniels (née Stephanie Clifford) has claimed to have had with Trump in 2006.

A White House spokesperson denied an affair with McDougal in a statement to the New Yorker: “This is an old story that is just more fake news. The President says he never had a relationship with McDougal.”

The New Yorker also detailed McDougal’s $150,000 deal with AMI — whose CEO and chairman, David Pecker, has called Trump “a personal friend.” The company bought exclusive rights to her story but never published it, an arrangement that six former AMI employees said was a common practice known as “catch and kill.”

McDougal said she now regrets her deal with A.M.I., telling the New Yorker: “It took my rights away. At this point I feel I can’t talk about anything without getting into trouble, because I don’t know what I’m allowed to talk about. I’m afraid to even mention his name.”

A rep for AMI said that it didn’t publish McDougal’s story because it did not find it credible. McDougal was allowed to “respond to legitimate press inquiries” according to an amendment in her contract, the New Yorker wrote.

In a statement issue Friday, AMI also rejected the story’s underlying premise: “The New Yorker and Ronan Farrow’s suggestion that AMI engages in any practice that would allow it to hold influence over the President of the United States is laughable.”

02-18-18  12:09am - 2457 days #161
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The Washington Post



Do Trump’s alleged affairs even matter?
By Callum Borchers February 17 at 9:13 AM

Trump's personal attorney says he paid adult-film star $130,000

Here is what we know about the allegation that an adult-film star reportedly was paid to remain silent about a sexual relationship with Donald Trump. (The Washington Post)

One of the quotes from the 2016 presidential campaign that has stuck with me came from an unidentified Donald Trump supporter who shared his appraisal of the “Access Hollywood” tape on an episode of Showtime’s “The Circus.”

Having heard Trump boast on the tape about groping and kissing women without consent, this man told host Mark Halperin (oh, the irony) that the billionaire is “just like the rest of us: He likes guns, and he likes women. He had the power. He has the prestige. Why wouldn’t you take a little advantage?”

Voters who cast ballots for Trump — whose third wife, Melania, was pregnant at the time of the “Access Hollywood” recording — were willing to look past his self-professed propensity to “just start kissing” beautiful women and “grab them by the p---y.” Some, such as the man in the clip below, actually endorsed Trump’s behavior, seemingly agreeing that access to women’s bodies is a perk of wealth and fame.

So why would these voters care about consensual affairs of the sort claimed by former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal and porn star Stormy Daniels?

The answer: They probably don’t care. This adds an unusual twist to media coverage of Trump’s alleged infidelities. Most male politicians — even nonreligious ones — work to project the consummate family-man image. Disclosure of an affair often tarnishes or even shatters that image, revealing that a politician is not the person voters thought he was.

For example, Anthony Weiner, who with Huma Abedin appeared to form a picture-perfect Washington power couple, resigned from Congress in 2011 after admitting that he sent lewd photos of himself to other women. John Edwards’s political career did not seem over when he suspended his presidential campaign in January 2008, but it was finished seven months later when he acknowledged having an affair with an aide while his wife battled cancer.

Trump is different: He had a long history of having affairs before ever seeking political office. His affair with actress Marla Maples when he was married to Ivana Trump was a tabloid sensation. Melania Trump told GQ that Trump first sought her phone number when he was still married to Maples — at a party to which he brought a different woman as his date. Howard Stern once asked Trump in a radio interview if it is true that he has had sex with “some of the greatest beauties on the planet.”

“True,” Trump answered proudly. “Some of the greats in history.”

For most of his public life, Trump’s desired image has been ladies’ man, not family man. Daniels’s and McDougal’s accounts of sexual relationships, even if accurate, don’t expose anything about Trump that voters did not already know.

Yet McDougal’s and Daniels’s stories are not irrelevant.

For one thing, Trump denies the alleged affairs (though he and his spokesmen have chosen their words so carefully that sexual encounters of some kind seem not to be ruled out). The question is not merely whether he is a cheater, but also whether he is a liar. Sleeping with a porn star and a Playboy Playmate is certainly consistent with Trump’s self-described lifestyle. His supporters might not mind such conduct, but lying — if that is what the president is doing — could be another matter. Trump never pretended to be a Puritan, but he did bill himself as a teller of hard truths and a keeper of promises.

Beyond the denials are the coverups. Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, admitted this week that he paid Daniels $130,000 to keep quiet during the campaign. National Enquirer publisher David Pecker has said he hired McDougal in 2016 so that she would not talk about her claimed affair. If nothing else, the efforts of Trump allies to suppress bad coverage are clearly newsworthy.

Another consideration is whether Trump’s womanizing days are behind him. Bill Clinton was president when he had an affair with Monica Lewinsky, seemingly abusing the power of the presidency to engage with an intern. Affairs that occur when a politician holds or seeks office more obviously rise to a level of journalistic merit than those from private life because they often involve misuse of authority and public resources.

Trump’s alleged affairs as a businessman and reality-TV star might be less significant if not for the double-digit accusations of sexual harassment and assault leveled against him, which he also denies. When evaluating those more serious claims, reporters naturally examine the way Trump treats women more broadly.

It also does not help his cause to be in a position imbued with moral authority during a period of national reckoning with sexual misconduct.

The disclosure of the “Access Hollywood” tape, which came out in the final weeks of the presidential race, did force Trump to try to repair his public image a bit. He sold himself as being a different person.

“I’ve said and done things I regret,” Trump said a video statement, “and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am. ... I’ve traveled the country talking about change for America, but my travels have also changed me.”



Evangelical leaders such as Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. have similarly described Trump as a “changed man.”

Trump’'s alleged affairs with Daniels and McDougal occurred more than a decade ago. If their stories were to draw out more recent claims, however, then the “changed man” narrative could unravel.

And speaking of Graham and Falwell: Coverage of Trump’s alleged affairs is not only about the president and his supposed partners. It is also about the standards of his backers. Evangelicals’ willingness to give Trump a pass for his personal conduct is a remarkable development in U.S. politics. The shifting mores of a significant voting bloc is an important story unto itself.

02-18-18  08:03am - 2456 days #162
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Sexual peccadilloes usually matter a lot for people in public life, especially for those in government in the United States. Think of Eliot Spitzer, Gary Hart, and the aforementioned John Edwards, each of whose careers were ruined because of their dalliances.

Why does it not seem to matter in Trump's case? The Washington Post article immediately above suggests that voters already knew that he was a serial philanderer, so it didn't matter that much to them.

But the strange logic one would need to accept that argument is that the more a man does it, the less important it becomes in the public eye, so long as they are already aware of it.

I think instead that the relatively ho-hum attitude about it is due to the overall political polarization that has taken hold. It wasn't extreme enough during Clinton's term, so he was scandalized before and during his term, and, as some theorize, Al Gore suffered enough collateral damage that it made it hard for him to win in 2000; he didn't gain enough to offset the Florida voting controversy.

It goes hand-in-hand with the media "echo chamber" effect whereby people select only news channels that reflect their political leanings.

It's a matter of biases overtaking principles. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Feb 18, 2018, 08:08am

02-18-18  10:31pm - 2456 days #163
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


It goes hand-in-hand with the media "echo chamber" effect whereby people select only news channels that reflect their political leanings.

It's a matter of biases overtaking principles.


Personally, I don't really give a shit what a politician does in their private lives as long as it is legal (and doesn't expose them to blackmail). The only thing that disappointed me about the Clinton thing was the waste of a decent cigar. The funny thing here is just the hypocrisy, the right has always used these types of activities as signs of poor character and judgement. In reality, most politicians are alpha male types used to getting what they want. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited.

02-19-18  01:42am - 2456 days #164
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


It goes hand-in-hand with the media "echo chamber" effect whereby people select only news channels that reflect their political leanings.


I can't believe anyone really does this. Knowing all media has some bias, it is kind of naive to rely only on one or two sources.

I routinely read Politico, the AP, and Reuters, all considered "left wing," but also read Fox News and Red State, considered "right wing." I don't use social media, so don't get any news from Facebook or the like.

Maybe I'm just unusual in that I try to understand both sides' points of view, and give a decent amount of skepticism to claims by both sides. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

02-20-18  02:04pm - 2454 days #165
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Not Fake News:
President Trump must be impeached.
He is acting illegally, and telling the Justice Department to act illegally.
Trump tells the Justice Department to ban bump stocks.
In 2010 and again in 2012, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ruled that it did not have the authority to regulate bump stocks because they are not technically “machine guns,” which federal law defines as firearms that shoot more than one shot per pull of the trigger.

Justice Department officials said in December that they do not believe they could regulate bump stock sales without congressional action, according to The New York Times.

Impeach Don Trump, before his criminal actions debase the Justice Department, the symbol of our greatest freedoms!!!

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Donald Trump Directs Justice Department To Take Steps To Ban Bump Stocks
HuffPost Hayley Miller,HuffPost 32 minutes ago



President Donald Trump announced he has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to ban bump stocks, the type of gun modification that enabled the Las Vegas shooter to kill 58 people in October.

President Donald Trump announced he has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to take steps to ban bump stocks, the type of gun modification that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock used to kill 58 people in October.

“Just a few moments ago, I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns,” Trump said Tuesday while speaking at a medal of valor ceremony at the White House. “I expect that these critical regulations will be finalized ... very soon.”

Bump stocks are devices that allow a semiautomatic gun to fire as quickly as a machine gun. Paddock was found to be in possession of more than a dozen assault-style rifles, many outfitted with bump stocks and 100-round magazines. He was ultimately able to fire more than 1,100 rounds in a period of 10 minutes.

In 2010 and again in 2012, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ruled that it did not have the authority to regulate bump stocks because they are not technically “machine guns,” which federal law defines as firearms that shoot more than one shot per pull of the trigger.

Justice Department officials said in December that they do not believe they could regulate bump stock sales without congressional action, according to The New York Times.

A number of states and local jurisdictions have taken up the debate over bump stocks in the meantime. Massachusetts and New Jersey have both passed laws banning the devices. Several states, including Connecticut and Washington, as well as smaller municipalities, are also considering similar measures.

California and New York had banned the devices before the Las Vegas shooting.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

02-20-18  02:20pm - 2454 days #166
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Don Trump ran on platform to cleanse the Washington swamp.
Here's a chance to make a start: Impeach Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice.
Go, Trump. Make good on your campaign promises!!!

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New York Magazine Makes A Case For Impeaching Clarence Thomas
HuffPost Nick Visser,HuffPost Sun, Feb 18 10:56 PM PST



New York Magazine is laying out a case for the possible impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

The cover story, penned by former executive editor of The New York Times Jill Abramson, described Thomas’ rise to power and his apparent immunity to scrutiny during the height of the #MeToo movement. Citing conversations with three women who worked with Thomas, Abramson also detailed a history of lies told by the judge, beginning during his confirmation hearing.

His dishonesty, not the allegations of impropriety, “raise the possibility of impeachment.”

“Lying is, for lawyers, a cardinal sin. State disciplinary committees regularly institute proceedings against lawyers for knowingly lying in court, with punishments that can include disbarment. Since 1989, three federal judges have been impeached and forced from office for charges that include lying. The idea of someone so flagrantly telling untruths to ascend to the highest legal position in the U.S. remains shocking, in addition to its being illegal,” Abramson wrote.
During Thomas' 1991 confirmation hearing, former employee Anita Hill accused him of sexually harassing her.

Abramson is the co-author of “Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas,” a 1994 book about his controversial confirmation hearing. During the 1991 hearing, former employee Anita Hill accused him of sexually harassing her. Hill alleged that Thomas talked about pornography in the workplace and regularly commented on the bodies of female coworkers.

Thomas claimed he never talked to Hill about porn or to other women who worked with him about risqué subject matter.

The hearing quickly turned into the epitome of a he-said, she-said, and despite the allegations, Thomas was later confirmed by a vote of 52-48. Since then, more women have come forward with similar claims about his behavior.

Abramson said Thomas’ tenure on the court has been “devastating for women’s rights,” and highlighted his votes on cases involving equal-pay protections and employers’ religious objections to supplying birth control.

“His worldview, with its consistent objectification of women, is the one that’s shaping the contours of what’s possible for women in America today, more than that of just about any man alive, save for his fellow justices,” Abramson wrote.

Read the full story at New York magazine.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

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02-21-18  02:05am - 2454 days #168
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


I'm not sure I understand this thread. Is it serious or satire? In any case, are you not familiar with the American system of Government?


The thread is a catch-all, no one type of statement.
Hopefully, a little humor.
Hopefully, a little truth.


The executive branch is not law enforcement?
I believe that is false.
The Justice Department is part of the executive branch.
The US Attorney General is the head of the Justice Department, and is the highest law enforcement official in the US.
The President appoints the head of the FBI.
The President has the right to pardon for crimes committed.


The President is not involved when he is impeached?
You need to understand or use English better.

The Supreme Court is not part of Washington? Not part of the US Government? Check your history books, or books on US Government, before you state that the US Supreme Court is not part of the US Government, which is based in Washington, DC.
Yes, the positions on the Supreme Court are supposed to be for life.
But a Supreme Court member could retire, or be removed for cause, I believe.

Your statement/opinions make more sense if taken as satire.

Anyway, people are free to have different opinions.
That's America.

02-21-18  08:05am - 2453 days #169
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@Onyx:


Originally Posted by lk2fireone:
The President has the right to pardon for crimes committed.

This is true, except in cases of impeachment.

Check history.
President Ford pardoned ex-President Nixon.
From Wikipedia:
A presidential pardon of Richard Nixon (Proclamation 4311) was issued on September 8, 1974, by President Gerald Ford, which granted his predecessor Richard Nixon a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes he might have committed against the United States while president.

So, Ford did not pardon an impeached President.
But the result was about the same: Ford gave Nixon blanket immunity for any crimes he could have been impeached for. (Unless Nixon was a career criminal, who kept on committing criminal acts after he resigned.)

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As for the President not having the power to arrest people:
If Trump seriously believed that Hilary was a crook (Trump refers to her as crooked Hilary), seriously believes that Obama was not born in the United States (Trump has repeatedly stated that Obama was not born in the US, and was therefore not eligible to serve as US President), then he could easily, and legally, direct law enforcement agencies to arrest Hilary Clinton and Obama.

President's don't arrest people. They direct/tell officials to arrest people.
If Hilary Clinton and Obama were lawbreakers/criminals, Trump would be more than happy to have them arrested, instead of spreading lies about them.

President's don't have the right to murder people.
But what is it called when Presidents send US operatives (armed forces, whatever) to foreign lands to kill people? Sending drone missiles to attack people in foreign lands?
To invade other countries-whether it's a declared war or not?
Fighting terrorism?

It's true I mainly copy and paste other people's words (from news articles and newspaper opinion pieces). I think most of the ideas are worth reading, and maybe thinking about. Because these news articles and opinions are written by professionals. Not all professionals are correct, but a lot of the ideas expressed are worth reading.

02-21-18  09:11am - 2453 days #171
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02-21-18  09:38am - 2453 days #172
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


Check History for what? What I said was correct. What you are talking about w/ Ford/Nixon is not related to impeachment.

Hillary is a crook. That's not really debated. For a host of reasons she's simply not been charged.

You think the opinion of someone is worth reading because they are professional? The only requirement for being a professional is that you are paid. It's something akin to the "argument from authority" fallacy. How many of these "professionals" have accomplished 10% of what Trump has?

I've worked with professionals, people with supposedly impressive credentials. I found many to be incompetent.

Things are either correct or not regardless who says them. I recommend thinking as speaking for yourself.

I'll leave you to your thread.


Thanks for the civil reply.
I think I understand your thinking a little better, because of your last post.

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Originally Posted by Onyx:


You think the opinion of someone is worth reading because they are professional? The only requirement for being a professional is that you are paid. It's something akin to the "argument from authority" fallacy. How many of these "professionals" have accomplished 10% of what Trump has?

I've worked with professionals, people with supposedly impressive credentials. I found many to be incompetent.


Does this apply to medical advice? I'll take the advice of a "professional" doctor over a guy on the street any day.

Similar analogy applies to any endeavor. I trust people who study foreign policy, military readiness, or anything more than people who don't. It's a sign of American anti-intellectualism (which has a long, sordid history in the US) that makes the opinion of an ignorant man equivalent to that of a learned one. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

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Onyx, everyone has a political opinion about some issue. No one is absolutely ambivalent about how government affects their lives. Just because a person has a political agenda doesn't mean that they aren't qualified to opine about things they are experts about (or even not experts about).

I didn't read the journalists in question. I didn't see who wrote the articles. But journalism has a core set of skills, like any occupation. That they let some political bias enter into their work doesn't make their work inherently worthless.

Trusting in people with "demonstrable skills and actual accomplishments" is kind of a dodge of my point about anti-intellectualism. The journalists you mention have demonstrable skills--they are nationally published journalists, so have skill in their craft and are accomplished enough to be published. I agree that blind trust in a degree or credential is unwise, but blind trust is unwise in general. Hence the pejorative, "blind." I trust journalists to have a core competence in their field, but that does not translate to a blanket faith in their opinions or naivety about their general veracity or competence.

My main point was to point out an anti-intellectual bias, the idea that a "successful" person in one endeavor is more competent in general than a person who has modest success but great knowledge of their field. I was not trying to conflate education with ability, nor associate general competence with expertise. If you don't believe thorough study and expertise in a field gives the expert's opinion about their field of expertise more credence than a non-expert's then that is unfortunate.

We likely judge things differently. Viva la difference!


Addendum: I highly recommend Richard Hofstadter's "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life." It explores the cause, rise, and effects of anti-intellectualism, which Hofstadter attributes primarily to the democratization of knowledge. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Feb 26, 2018, 07:22am (Loki: added addendum)

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Originally Posted by Onyx:


So...you trust opinions you've not read... from people you don't know anything about...cuz journalists must have mad skillz?



I didn't say I believed or disbelieved the journalists in question. I wasn't addressing that point.

If you read my comment, blind faith in anything is imprudent. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Feb 27, 2018, 01:31am

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Not only will Trump make America great again, but there's a possibility that he could serve as President for Life.
That's all that's needed for America to become the Supreme Power of the Free World (and maybe God's chosen representative on Earth).

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump says he thinks it's great that China's president now holds that office for life and muses that maybe the U.S. will do the same someday.

Trump's remarks were met with laughter and applause during a luncheon for Republican donors Saturday at his South Florida estate. CNN said it obtained a recording of the remarks.

Chinese President Xi Jinping recently consolidated power. Trump told the gathering: "He's now president for life. President for life. And he's great." Trump added, "I think it's great. Maybe we'll give that a shot someday."

Trump criticized his Democratic presidential opponent Hillary Clinton, repeated his view about "a rigged system," and called the Iraq invasion "the single worst decision ever made." He referred to former President George W. Bush as "another real genius."

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Devin Nunes Calls Colbert's Jokes About Him A 'Danger' In This Country
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Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) said Saturday that Stephen Colbert’s jokes about him are a “danger” in this country.

Colbert traveled to the Capitol on Friday’s episode of “The Late Show” in a spoof mission to tease information out of congressmen about possible collusion between President Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia. Colbert was armed with his own memo stating: “Devon Nunes is a [redacted].”

Colbert managed to crack a smile from stone-faced Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) when he asked him if he was “jealous” that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) gets to work with Nunes.

“This is the danger that we have in this country,” Nunes said when Fox News’ Neil Cavuto asked how he felt about the jokes.

“The left controls not only the universities in this country, but they also control Hollywood in this country, and the mainstream media, so conservatives in this country are under attack ... they attack people who are trying to get to the truth,” the head of the House Intelligence Committee added.

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President Trump fights to save businesses money by scrapping Obama-era rules governing coal ash disposal.
This is clearly a win-win situation for people living near coal-fired plants, who will now have a higher chance in the lottery for "learning disabilities, birth defects, asthma, and cancer".

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Newsweek Carlos Ballesteros,Newsweek 9 hours ago


The Environmental Protection Agency announced on Thursday it will scrap Obama-era rules governing coal ash disposal. The changes would provide companies with annual compliance cost savings of up to $100 million, but environmentalists warn that doing away with the regulations risks poisoning clean drinking water for millions of Americans and pollute already-endangered ecosystems.

The changes would extend how long the over 400 coal-fired power plants across the country can maintain unlined coal ash ponds and allow states to determine how frequently they would test disposal sites for groundwater contamination.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt championed the rule changes as a way of promoting federalism.

Trending: Trump Administration Aims to Gut Clean Water Standards to Help Out Coal Power Plants

“Today’s coal ash proposal embodies EPA’s commitment to our state partners by providing them with the ability to incorporate flexibilities into their coal ash permit programs based on the needs of their states,” Pruitt said in a statement announcing the changes.

Pruitt went on to boast that the proposed changes "would save the regulated community between $31 million and $100 million per year."

But as pointed out by Alexander C. Kaufman and Chris D’Angelo of the HuffPost, Pruitt's announcement failed to mention the risks coal ash poses to human health and the environment.

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“This is the second biggest toxic pollution threat in our country, and we need to clean it up—not make things easier for polluters,” Earthjustice attorney Lisa Evans said in a statement. “People living near more than a thousand toxic coal ash sites are at risk. They face contaminated drinking water, toxic dust in the air, and serious health threats just because the EPA is choosing to side with polluters over the public.”

GettyImages-691271708 President Donald Trump listens while EPA chief Scott Pruitt speaks after announcing the US will withdraw from the Paris accord in the Rose Garden of the White House June 1, 2017 in Washington, DC. On Thursday, Pruitt announced the watchdog agency would loosen its clean water standards for coal ash disposal. Getty Images

According to the EPA, coal-fired power plants in the United States produce around 140 million tons of coal ash per year. The waste is usually started in wet ponds, almost half of which operate without liners and other safeguards meant to prevent chemicals from seeping into groundwater.
Multiple scientific studies have demonstrated that coal ash—which contains carcinogenic substances like arsenic, lead, and selenium—has a demonstrable adverse effect on surrounding communities and the environment. An EPA study from 2010 showed that "people living within one mile of unlined coal ash ponds can have a 1 in 50 risk of cancer—more than 2,000 times higher than what the EPA considers acceptable," as cited by Sierra Club. The study also shows that living within a mile of a wet coal ash storage pond is as hazardous as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.


Particularly at risk are the over 1.5 million children who live near coal ash disposal sites across the country, as coal ash has been shown to increase the risk of children developing learning disabilities, birth defects, asthma, and cancer.
Many industry trade groups have come out in support of the changes, celebrating Pruitt's role in lessening the federal government's role in overseeing coal-fired power plants.

“The proposed rule will provide states and the industry with greater certainty as they work to close ash basins safely and responsibly and continue to manage other ash management facilities such as landfills,” Quin Shea, the vice president for environment at the industry trade group Edison Electric Institute, told The Washington Post in a statement.

Frank Holleman, a senior lawyer at the Southern Environmental Law Center, countered by highlighting the dangers posed by coal ash and decried the administration's efforts to protect Americans from carcinogen.

“Coal ash is polluting rivers, lakes and wells across America, but President Trump’s EPA is trying to weaken the standards that are supposed to protect Americans from this toxic threat,” Holleman said in a statement. “These proposals will weaken rules that protect our groundwater from arsenic and mercury and continue to extend the use of unlined, leaking coal ash pits next to our waterways. America’s families and clean water deserve better.”

The EPA said it will accept public comment on the proposed changes for 45 days. It then “plans to move quickly to take final action after the close of the comment period.”

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President Trump boasts that he's a great golfer.
But Kim Jong Il (North Korea leader who Trump calls rocket man) is even better:
Kim Jong Il made 11 holes-in-one.
He also bowled a perfect 300 game the first time he ever bowled.
So even though North Korea might be small, if Trump and Kim ever got into a fight,
Kim would crush Trump with his mighty words.

Trump, beware, you have an opponent who is fierce and strong and will stomp your ass!!!

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Kim Jong Il Made 11 Holes-In-One: North Korea’s Most Insane Claims About Its Leaders




March 05, 2018

In North Korea, the government publicizes outlandish claims about its leaders, making them seem god-like and almost inhuman. With little to no contact with the outside world, North Korean citizens have no way of disproving the insane claims, which range from being incredibly good at sports to not using the bathroom.

Keep reading to find out all the crazy things North Korean leaders have claimed to do.
Kim Jong Il was really good at sports
North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il meets with Korean People's Army personel

He bowled a perfect score on his first try. | AFP/Getty Images

According to Ranker’s article on North Korean propaganda, the North Korean government claims that Kim Jong Il bowled a perfect 300. Supposedly, Kim bowled the perfect game at a bowling alley donated by a Korean businesswoman in 1994. This was the first time the North Korean leader had bowled, according to The Washington Post.

Kim also broke a world-record score on a North Korean golf course. According to Ranker, the government claims he got 11 holes-in-one and didn’t score more than a birdie on any other holes.

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We need to send the US Armed Forces into Panama to show them who's the boss.
A local Panamanian judge and local Panamanian police removed Trump's name from signs outside his family's luxury hotel in Panama on Monday, March 5, 2018.

The hotel's majority owner, Orestes Fintiklis, is based in Miami.
He needs to be investigated by the CIA, the FBI, and local law enforcement officials in the Miami area, for terrorist activities, as well as disrespect of a sitting US President.


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Judge, police help oust Trump Hotels from Panama property
Associated Press JEFF HORWITZ, MARK STEVENSON and JUAN ZAMORANO,Associated Press 2 hours 53 minutes ago


PANAMA CITY (AP) — Workers pried President Donald Trump's name from signs outside his family company's luxury hotel in Panama on Monday, as Trump's executives were ousted from their management offices in a business dispute under orders from Panamanian officials. Trump's security guards also left.

The end to a 12-day standoff over control of the property came early in the day when a Panamanian judicial official and police officers backed the hotel's majority owner, Orestes Fintiklis, as he took possession of the offices. The Trump-affiliated management and security officials then left the 70-story, waterfront high-rise.

"This was purely a commercial dispute that just spun out of control," said Fintiklis, a Miami-based private equity investor and head of the hotel owners' association. "And today this dispute has been settled by the authorities and the judges of this country."

The Trump Organization's lawyers, however, said Panamanian courts had in fact made no determination on the underlying dispute — a management contract held by the Trump group that it claims is still valid — and had only appointed an interim management until an international arbitration panel rules on the issue.

"Trump Hotels is totally convinced it will not only prevail, but that it should also be paid damages, costs and other charges related to today's actions," the lawyers said in a statement. The Trump Organization didn't say who the new management was or why the Trump name was removed from the hotel.

The Panamanian Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A Panamanian judicial official told The Associated Press a statement would come later in the day.

The Trump Hotel's website had ceased offering direct bookings at the hotel by early Monday afternoon. "We apologize," the site said. "There are no available rooms for your requested stay."

The hotel owners tried to fire Trump's company last year, but the Trump Organization disputed the termination as legally invalid. As part of his fire sale purchase of 202 of the hotel's 369 units, Fintiklis signed a February 2017 agreement not to challenge Trump's management contract — a deal the Trump Organization considers binding.

Fintiklis quickly changed course after the deal closed in August, arguing that alleged mismanagement by Trump's staff and the deterioration of the Trump brand rendered keeping the property in Trump hands impossible. In late December, Trump's management team ran off a team of Marriott hotel executives visiting the property at Fintiklis' invitation.

"Our investment has no future so long as the hotel is managed by an incompetent operator whose brand has been tarnished beyond repair," Orestes wrote to his fellow hotel owners in a January email obtained by the AP.

The most recent and intense feuding began Feb. 22, when Fintiklis came to the property with termination notices for Trump's management team. Trump hotel officials turned away Fintiklis and his entourage, refusing to let him check into any of his private equity fund's 202 hotel rooms.

A legal complaint filed by Fintiklis said that, late that same evening, he and others in his party witnessed Trump's management team destroying hotel documents, which Trump officials have denied.

For more than a week, Trump's hotel business staved off efforts by Fintiklis and his allies to gain control of the property, with rival security teams skirmishing over physical control of key infrastructure. That included the administrative offices and the hotel's closed caption security system, which was housed in the condo association within the same building. Grainy footage of the encounter obtained by the AP shows Trump security officials shoving a representative of the condo owners' association and a brawl in a stairwell between opposing security guards.

Initially invited by Trump's managers, the Panamanian police repeatedly visited the hotel to keep the peace. At least one Trump security official was taken off the property in handcuffs, though a police source told the AP he was not arrested.

Trump officials denounced Fintiklis' efforts to take control of the property as "thug-like, mob-style tactics" and pledged in a February statement they would not give in to "bullying and the use of force." Until litigation and arbitration involving the property was concluded, Trump officials said, they had no intention of leaving.

While Trump staffed up with additional security — stationing guards at the hotel's administrative offices for more than one week — the fight for physical control of the hotel ended quietly with the intervention by Panamanian authorities. Trump security officials exited the property on their own accord, leaving the hotel's administrative office vacant.

The whereabouts of the Trump hotel management team could not be immediately determined, but Fintiklis declared the fight over.

"Today Panama has made us proud," Fintiklis said, adding that he intended to apply for Panamanian citizenship. Though Fintiklis has generally declined to comment on the dispute, he appeared to gloat Monday. Sitting at the piano in the hotel's lobby, surrounded by reporters and news cameras, he played "Accordeon," a Greek song celebrating that country's fight to overthrow a fascist regime.

Within two hours, a man using a hammer and a crowbar began stripping Trump signage from a stone plaque in front of the building.

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Trump, the greatest president the US has ever experienced, is a genius in capitalism.
He has ordered replicas of the Presidential seal for use at Trump golf courses.
The next step would be to offer tea and lemonade to be served at the White House, with donations accepted in the name of the Trump charities that will fund his family's post-presidential activities.

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Report: Presidential seal replicas ordered for use at Trump golf courses may violate federal law
Devil Ball Golf Jason Owens,Devil Ball Golf 5 hours ago


The Trump Organization has ordered replicas of the U.S. presidential seal for use as tee markers at Trump International golf courses, ProPublica reports.

The 12-inch replicas of the seal were created by Eagle Sign and Design, a sign-making company based in New Albany, Indiana and Louisville, Kentucky, according to the report. ProPublica saw a copy of the order for the seals with the customer stated as “Trump International.”

The problem with the tee markers is that they stand in violation of federal law prohibiting use of official badges outside of their intended capacity, an infraction that can carry a six-month prison sentence.

Per U.S. Code: Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 33, Section 713:

Whoever manufactures, sells, or possesses any badge, identification card, or other insignia, of the design prescribed by the head of any department or agency of the United States for use by any officer or employee thereof, or any colorable imitation thereof, or photographs, prints, or in any other manner makes or executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the likeness of any such badge, identification card, or other insignia, or any colorable imitation thereof, except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Neither the White House or the Trump Organization responded to ProPublica’s request for comment, while the Department of Justice declined to comment on knowledge of the presidential seal being used outside of its official capacity.

Joseph Bates, owner of Eagle Sign and Design, confirmed that his company had made the tee-box markers, but declined with ProPublica and the Louisville Courier-Journal to name who ordered the product.

“Apparently when you do something that is related to Trump it means you’ll get a lot of questions,” Bates told the Courier-Journal. “We just did what our customer wanted.”

The company’s Facebook page posted an image of the seal in February with the headline “Trump International Golf Course.” That photo was removed Monday after the publication of the ProPublica story.

The apparent planned use of the seal at Donald Trump’s private golf courses touches on an ongoing concern of conflict of interest with Trump using his office for personal gain.

Trump has eschewed presidential protocol of divesting private interests while in office. His continued ties to his properties, golf courses and merchandising deals in and outside of the U.S. are unprecedented for a sitting president and present a myriad of ethical questions.

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The truth comes out: Democrats are the ones who commit most mass shootings.
(Because Republicans are God-fearing people who honor the Lord and love all people, even the ones from shithole countries.)

Republicans are the good people.
Democrats are evil scum.
Fake news is Satan's tool, used to blind idiots to God's truth: Republicans are the Chosen People, who spread God's holy word.

Jesus, I wish I could be a Republican, so God can wash away all my sins and make me wealthy!

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'It's Fake News!': Congresswoman Who Said Most Mass Shooters Are Democrats Cuts Off Interview
HuffPost Igor Bobic,HuffPost 18 hours ago



Rep. Claudia Tenney (R-N.Y.) walked away from a television interview on Monday after she was asked about her claim that Democrats are more prone to be mass shooters.

The first-term congresswoman made the comment last month in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, school shooting after she criticized the government for failing to act on several tips that might have prevented the deaths of 17 students and adults.

“It’s interesting that so many of these people that commit the mass murders end up being Democrats. But the media doesn’t talk about that either,” Tenney said during a radio interview.

The fact-checking site Snopes found that a popular list circulating among conservatives purporting to show that mass shooters are more likely to be Democrats was riddled with faulty, inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims. The list was first shared online in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012, according to the website.

In a video of the TV interview that was posted to YouTube on Monday, Tenney maintained she was merely correcting the record after many “vicious” statements the media and Democrats have made about legal gun owners.

“I’m telling the truth,” Tenney insisted. “It isn’t just Republicans who commit all these terrible crimes. ... All I’m saying is everybody is guilty equally.”

Asked again about her comments, Tenney ended the interview and walked away.

“It is fake news! I answered your question every which way, it is fake news,” she said. “Bye. Done. It’s ridiculous.”

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

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Porn stars have legal rights.
That means she can sue Donald Trump for efforts to silence her.
Let's give Stormy a chance to speak up in public, and to make money off her stories, the same rights that Donald Trump enjoys when he speaks in public.

Can we get a photo op of Stormy and Trump kissing and making up, because Trump has claimed he loves all people?
(But apparently Trump does not want to acknowledge loving Stormy while he was married to his latest wife.)

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Stormy Daniels sues Donald Trump over efforts to 'silence' her
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Porn star Stormy Daniels, who reportedly had an affair with Donald Trump before he ascended to the U.S. presidency, filed a lawsuit against Trump on Tuesday, saying that Trump and his attorney Michael Cohen “aggressively sought to silence” her when she planned to make her story public in late 2016.

According to the suit, Daniels was presented with a “Hush Agreement” referring to Daniels — whose real name is Stephanie Clifford — as “Peggy Peterson” or “PP” and Trump as “David Dennison” or “DD.”

“Importantly, the Hush Agreement imposed various conditions and obligations not only on Ms. Clifford, but also on Mr. Trump. The agreement also required the signature of all parties in the agreement, including that of Mr. Trump,” the suit reads. “Moreover, as is customary, it was widely understood at all times that unless all of the parties signed the documents as required, the Hush Agreement, together with all of its terms and conditions, was null and void.”

Also Read: Trump's Lawyer Complained He Was Never Reimbursed for Stormy Daniels Payment (Report)

However, the suit says, days before the election, Daniels and Cohen signed the agreement, Trump didn’t.

“On information and belief, despite having detailed knowledge of the Hush Agreement and its terms, including the proposed payment of monies to Ms. Clifford … Mr. Trump purposely did not sign the agreement so he could later, if need be, publicly disavow any knowledge of the Hush Agreement and Ms. Clifford,” the suit states.

TheWrap has reached out to the White House for comment on the lawsuit.

Also Read: Jenna Jameson Weighs in on Stormy Daniels, Shares Her Own Trump Story

The suit says that, despite the lack of Trump’s signature, $130,000 was wired to Daniels.

Cohen has acknowledged the payment, but maintained that it was made from his personal funds, and that the Trump campaign and the Trump Organization were not parties to the transaction.

The suit contends that efforts to silence Daniels have continued unabated, and that in February of this year Cohen “surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding against Ms. Clifford in Los Angeles. Remarkably, he did so without even providing Ms. Clifford with notice of the proceeding and basic due process.”


“Put simply, considerable steps have been taken by Mr. Cohen in the last week to silence Ms. Clifford through the use of an improper and procedurally defective arbitration proceeding hidden from public view,” the suit reads. “The extent of Mr. Trump’s involvement in these efforts is presently unknown, but it strains credibility to conclude that Mr. Cohen is acting on his own accord without the express approval and knowledge of his client Mr. Trump.”

Daniels is seeking a court declaration that the agreements “do not exist, because, among other things,Mr. Trump never signed the documents.” Barring that, Daniels is seeking a declaration that the agreements “are invalid, unenforceable, and/or void.”



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I believe Trump has the right to a private life.
But enquiring minds also have the right to know about Trump, since he has criticized ex-President Clinton for his affair with Monica Lewinsky.
And Trump has criticized President Obama for playing golf while President.
Even though Trump, while President, spends far more time than Obama ever did, on the golf course.

Is Trump king of the double standard?
Or just a hypocrite who loves to slander people?

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Trump Brushed Off Stormy Daniels' Questions About Wife Melania: 'Oh, Don't Worry About Her'

If Donald Trump had wife Melania on his mind when he had an alleged affair with adult film star Stormy Daniels, he didn’t show it.

According to the full transcript of In Touch magazine’s shelved 2011 interview with Daniels, released last month, Trump brought up his wife only briefly during his first alleged tryst with Daniels in July 2006.

After Daniels poked fun of the then-Apprentice star’s infamous hairstyle, he shared, “Yeah, yeah, my wife even did my son [Barron]’s hair like that, as a joke.”

Daniels, whose given name is Stephanie Clifford, said, “I was like, ‘Yes, speaking of your wife…’ ”

“I mentioned her. I was like, ‘Yeah, what about your wife?’ He goes, ‘Oh, don’t worry about her,’ ” Daniels recalled. “Quickly, quickly changed the subject.”


And that, according to Daniels, was all Trump said about his wife, who at the time had given birth to their son, Barron (now 11), just four months earlier.

The transcript published last month comes one week after the Wall Street Journal reported that a lawyer for Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to Daniels a month before the 2016 election so she’d keep quiet about an alleged sexual encounter.



The White House, Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen, and Daniels herself all denied at the time that she was paid off for her silence or that she and Trump ever had a sexual relationship.

However, Cohen later confirmed to The New York Times on Tuesday that he paid $130,000 out of his own pocket to Daniels, born Stephanie Clifford, in 2016. Cohen, who worked as a counsel to the Trump Organization for more than a decade, also clarified that he has not been compensated by Trump.

“Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly. The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone,” Cohen said in a statement.

In a statement released last month by Cohen on her behalf, Daniels said allegations that she had a sexual or romantic affair with Trump were “completely false.”

But In Touch said that in 2011, Daniels took and passed a polygraph test confirming her account, which was also corroborated to the magazine at the time by Daniels’ close friend Randy Spears and ex-husband Mike Moz.

Daniels’ friend, adult film star Alana Evans, also corroborated reports of the relationship in an interview with NBC’s Megyn Kelly Today on Tuesday.

In the In Touch interview, which marks the first time Daniels herself has confirmed the alleged affair, Daniels said Trump did not give her the impression that his wife knew he was allegedly unfaithful to her and was okay with it.

Though she said her conscience didn’t bother her at the time of the affair, Daniels said in 2011 — after recently having a baby herself — that she felt Trump was wrong to allegedly cheat on his wife, especially given the recent timing of his son’s birth.

“Now that I have a baby that’s the same age that his was at the time, I’m like, “Wow, what a d—,” Daniels told In Touch, adding, “Yeah, I feel bad.”

Asked if she had a message for Trump or his wife, Daniels replied, “I don’t know. Karma will always bite you in the a–.”

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Trump is a giant who focuses on the important matters in life. As President, he finds time to tweet about the low ratings of this year's Oscars, as well as to moan about the lack of star power of the current crop of Hollywood actors.
But Jimmy Kimmel wants to remind viewers that President Trump's ratings are in the basement, as well.
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Jimmy Kimmel reminds Donald Trump of his own low ratings after Oscars tweet

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Donald Trump took to Twitter (naturally) to make fun of the historically low viewership for Sunday's Oscars, and host Jimmy Kimmel replied, reminding the president of some of his own low ratings.

The 90th annual Academy Awards drew an all-time low 26.5 million viewers this year, a 19 percent drop from last year. Trump -- who has an aversion to Hollywood and its "elitism," despite rubbing elbows with the entertainment industry for the past three decades -- tweeted his take on the matter: "Lowest rated Oscars in HISTORY. Problem is, we don’t have Stars anymore - except your President (just kidding, of course)!"

Kimmel swiftly replied with an allusion to Trump's own rating issues, mimicking the president's laissez faire use of the caps lock: "Thanks, lowest rated President in HISTORY." According to FiveThirtyEight, President Trump's current approval rating sits at 40.4 percent, with 54.3 percent of Americans polled disapproving of the job he's doing.

The late-night host mainly stuck to Hollywood's own diversity issues during his opening monologue at the ceremony, though he did save time for a few Trump jabs, including his assumed dislike for immigrant actress Lupita Nyong’o and his probable misunderstanding of the racially based horror-comedy Get Out.

Last year, the president called Meryl Streep one of the "most over-rated actresses in Hollywood" after her pointed and politically charged Oscars speech.

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Creating a better America for all.
Ben Carson removes anti-discrimination language from HUD Mission Statement.
Trump wants fairness for all Americans.
(Except possibly gay, trans, and other queer groups.)
Carson doesn't want these poor people getting Federal aid to feel too comfortable, because then they won't want to go to work to live a better life.
That must be why his staff ordered a non-legal $31,000 dining room set for his office.
Obviously, Carson knew nothing about this non-legal expense, because he would not want to be too comfortable in his own office.

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Ben Carson Removes Anti-Discrimination Language From HUD Mission Statement
HuffPost Amanda Terkel,HuffPost 14 hours ago



Ben Carson Removes Anti-Discrimination Language From HUD Mission Statement

WASHINGTON ― Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson is changing the mission statement of his agency, removing promises of inclusive and discrimination-free communities.

In a March 5 memo addressed to HUD political staff, Amy Thompson, the department’s assistant secretary for public affairs, explained that the statement is being updated “in an effort to align HUD’s mission with the Secretary’s priorities and that of the Administration.”

The new mission statement reads:

HUD’s mission is to ensure Americans have access to fair, affordable housing and opportunities to achieve self-sufficiency, thereby strengthening our communities and nation.

“An organization’s mission is never static,” Thompson wrote in the memo, which was shared with HuffPost by a HUD employee. “A mission statement describes an organization’s purpose, what it intends to do, and whom it intends to serve. Most importantly, an organization’s activities must be embodied in its mission.”

She said the mission statement had been developed with input from both Carson and his deputy. It’s not clear whether the new language is final. Thompson asked the political staff to send along any “comments or suggestions.”

The Carson mission statement is quite different from the current one, which is still up on HUD’s website. That one promises “strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.” It also says these communities will be “free from discrimination”:

HUD’s mission is to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all. HUD is working to strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy and protect consumers; meet the need for quality affordable rental homes; utilize housing as a platform for improving quality of life; build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination, and transform the way HUD does business.

HUD spokesman Raffi Williams said officials were considering “modest changes” to the mission statement, as has been done in previous administrations, to “make it a more clear and concise expression of the historic work this agency performs on behalf of the American people.”

“You can be sure of one thing—any mission statement for this Department will embody the principle of fairness as a central element of everything that we do. HUD has been, is now, and will always be committed to ensuring inclusive housing, free from discrimination for all Americans,” Williams added.

HUD is not the only federal agency changing its mission under President Donald Trump. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services director recently informed employees that it was removing the phrase “America’s promise as a nation of immigrants” from its mission statement.

Are you at a federal agency that is changing its mission statement as well? Email us at scoops@huffpost.com.

Under President Barack Obama, HUD made advancing lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer rights a priority. Shaun Donovan, who served as Obama’s first HUD secretary, was the first sitting Cabinet official in history to publicly support marriage equality.

The agency worked to prohibit discrimination by HUD-funded housing authorities, recognized state and local laws that are more LGBTQ-friendly than federal ones and raised awareness of resources available to the LGBTQ community.

Carson has a long history of making comments opposing equal rights for the LGBTQ community. New York Magazine recently reported that under Carson, HUD has pulled projects meant to help the LGBTQ community, which included online training materials for homeless shelters to ensure equal access for transgender people.

“Self-sufficiency” has been a major focus of Carson’s. Last year, he said he didn’t want low-income Americans receiving federal assistance to feel too “comfortable” in their housing because it might make them say, “I’ll just stay here. They will take care of me.”

In December, he announced a new initiative that would put “EnVision Centers” near federal housing developments to help train people in character and leadership, educational advancement, economic empowerment, and health and wellness.

Carson recently came under scrutiny for the revelation that his office was set to be redecorated with a $31,000 dining room set. The secretary has claimed he knew nothing about the order.

This story has been updated with comment from HUD.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

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Trump turns a blind eye when Kellyanne Conway breaks the law.
Of course, he's the President, and feels he's above the law.
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Ethics experts say Trump should fire Kellyanne Conway after she crossed an ethical 'red line'

Business Insider
Eliza Relman
Mar 7th 2018 10:39AM


The US Office of Special Counsel determined that White House counselor Kellyanne Conway violated federal ethics laws twice when she advocated for and against Senate candidates.
Ethics experts say those findings, along with a previous ethics violation, warrant Conway's firing.
But, in an unprecedented move, the White House has denied that Conway engaged in any political advocacy.

The US Office of Special Counsel determined that White House counselor Kellyanne Conway violated federal ethics laws twice when she advocated for and against Senate candidates during television interviews last year — violations that ethics experts say warrant Conway's firing.

Special counsel Henry Kerner, who was appointed by President Donald Trump, argued that Conway repeatedly violated the 1939 Hatch Act, which prevents government employees from using their position to advance or promote any political party or candidate, even after receiving "significant training" on the law.

Kerner wrote in his letter to Trump that Conway made "intentional partisan jabs" at Doug Jones, then the Democratic candidate for Senate in Alabama, which were intended to "persuade voters not to support him in the Alabama special election."

In a "Fox & Friends" interview on November 20, during which she was introduced as "counselor to the president," Conway advocated against Jones, who she called a "doctrinaire liberal."



"Doug Jones in Alabama?" Conway said. "Folks, don't be fooled. He'll be a vote against tax cuts. He's weak on crime, weak on borders. He's strong on raising your taxes. He's terrible for property owners."

"So, vote Roy Moore?" "Fox & Friends" host Brian Kilmeade asked, referring to the controversial Republican candidate, who was — and still is — facing multiple allegations of sexual misconduct.

"I'm telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through," Conway responded, adding, "I just want everybody to know Doug Jones, nobody ever says his name and they pretend that he's some kind of conservative Democrat in Alabama and he's not."

In the second interview on CNN on December 6, Conway made similar comments, even after receiving public criticism for her previous statements on Fox News.

Kerner said that Conway, who has remained silent on the charges, had been informed of the Hatch Act's prohibitions before she "chose during both interviews to repeatedly identify reasons why voters should support one candidate over another in the Alabama special election."
It's up to Trump whether Conway will face any discipline

The special counsel turned its investigative report on Conway's violations over to the president, who will decide whether and what kind of disciplinary action should be taken.

But in a statement, the White House defended Conway's comments.

"Kellyanne Conway did not advocate for or against the election of any particular candidate," White House spokesman Hogan Gidley said in a statement. "She simply expressed the President's obvious position that he have people in the House and Senate who support his agenda."

Richard Painter, who served as the White House chief ethics lawyer under President George W. Bush, said it is unprecedented — at least in the last few decades — for a White House to deny the findings of the independent ethics office.

"It's very disturbing that the White House chief of staff is going to let White House lawyers say the Hatch Act means something entirely different than what the agency charged with enforcing the Hatch Act says it means," Painter told Business Insider. "That's just flat-out wrong."

Walter Shaub, the former head of the Office of Government Ethics under Presidents Barack Obama and Trump, argued that the violations were indisputable.

"Only in a world of alternative facts could Conway's televised words amount to anything other than advocacy against Jones," he wrote in a November Washington Post op-ed. "The case against Conway is airtight."

The Campaign Legal Center, which Shaub now leads, filed a complaint against Conway.

This is not the first time Conway has violated federal ethics laws. In February 2017, she encouraged Fox News viewers to "go buy Ivanka's stuff," saying she was "going to give a free commercial here."

The Office of Government Ethics recommended the White House investigate and potentially bring disciplinary action against Conway for touting Trump's daughter's business, but Conway never received any disciplinary action.

"This is the third strike," Painter said, calling them "slam dunk violations."

"She's trained as a lawyer and she obviously can't follow the rules," he said. "And if she can't follow the rules, she doesn't belong in the White House."



Norm Eisen, who served as the top ethics official for former President Barack Obama, tweeted on Tuesday that the president's dismissal of Conway's latest violations would constitute crossing an ethical "redline."

"Make no mistake about it, if Trump does not fire Kellyanne Conway after THREE Hatch Act violations another redline will be crossed," Eisen said. "He will be saying breaking the law does not matter--I will pardon away any sins."




Kathleen Clark, an ethics law professor at Washington University in St. Louis, said that Conway's silence on the issue is troubling.

"It makes one question whether she even understands her responsibilities as a public official," Clark told Business Insider.

Conway is not the first administration official to be found in violation of the Hatch Act. In early June, the Office of Special Counsel issued a warning to White House social media director Dan Scavino for having in April advocated on Twitter the electoral defeat of Republican Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan.

Allan Smith contributed to this report.

03-07-18  05:02pm - 2439 days #191
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Trump lawyer tries to silence porn star Stormy Daniels about Trump affair.
We live in the land of free speech.
If Stormy tells lies, Trump is free to sue her in court for slander.
(But Trump loves to slander anybody and everybody. So maybe he will love a good fight with an attractive blonde lady.)
Go, President Trump, the man who made grabbing females by the crotch a national sport.

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EXCLUSIVE
News
Mar 7 2018, 5:43 pm ET
Trump lawyer Michael Cohen tries to silence adult-film star Stormy Daniels

by Sarah Fitzpatrick

President Donald Trump's lawyer is trying to silence adult-film star Stormy Daniels, obtaining a secret restraining order in a private arbitration proceeding and warning that she will face penalties if she publicly discusses a relationship with the president, NBC News has learned.

The new pressure on Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, comes a day after she filed a lawsuit in a Los Angeles court alleging that a nondisclosure agreement she made to keep quiet about an "intimate" relationship with Trump is invalid because he never signed it.
[Porn star Stormy Daniels sues President Trump]
Porn star Stormy Daniels sues President Trump 2:47

Tuesday's lawsuit says that Trump attorney Michael Cohen — who brokered the agreement with Clifford during the presidential campaign — attempted to "intimidate" Clifford and "shut her up" by initiating what it calls a "bogus arbitration proceeding" against her in Los Angeles on Feb. 27.

On that day, Cohen obtained a temporary restraining order against Clifford from the private arbitrator, a retired judge, which bars her from disclosing "confidential information" related to the nondisclosure agreement signed in October 2016, according to a copy of the order obtained by NBC News.

Read the temporary restraining order against Stormy Daniels

On Feb. 28, Cohen emailed the restraining order to Clifford's former attorney, Keith Davidson. "The document itself is to remain confidential and not to be disclosed to anyone as per the terms of the judge's order," the email, obtained by NBC News, said.

Reached for comment late Wednesday afternoon, Clifford's current attorney, Michael Avenatti, said Cohen, through his own attorney, Lawrence Rosen, has made further attempts to enforce the order and caution Clifford that she is subject to damages if she talks about Trump.

"Earlier today, Mr. Cohen through his attorney, Mr. Rosen, further threatened my client in an effort to prevent her from telling the truth about what really happened," Avenatti said. "We do not take kindly to these threats, nor we will be intimidated."
[Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen says he used his own funds to pay Stormy Daniels]
Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen says he used his own funds to pay Stormy Daniels 1:53

Cohen and Rosen did not immediately respond to requests for comment from NBC News.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a press briefing Wednesday that Trump denies "all of these allegations" — that he had an affair with Clifford more than a decade ago or that he knew Cohen had paid her $130,000.

"I have had conversations with the president about this and as I outlined earlier, this case had already been won in arbitration," Sanders said. It's unclear what Sanders was referring to; Trump is not listed as a party on the restraining order issued by the arbitration judge.

Asked about that comment, Avenatti quipped, "Yeah, and he won the popular vote, too."

Analysis: Stormy Daniels isn't suing Donald Trump for cash

“President Trump hasn’t won anything relating to Ms. Clifford," he added.

"First of all, it does not appear as if he was even a party to the arbitration Ms. Sanders is referring to. How can you win something you’re not even a part of? Secondly, claiming that Mr. Trump ‘won’ at arbitration when there has been no hearing, no notice to Ms. Clifford, no opportunity given to her to respond, and no decision on the merits, is completely bogus."

Earlier on Wednesday, Avenatti told "Today" that Clifford's lawsuit, if successful, would allow his client to "tell her story."

"She believes it's important that the public learn the truth about what happened," he said. "I think it's time for her to tell her story and for the public to decide who is telling the truth."

The suit asks a California court to affirm that the agreement Clifford signed is invalid.

The "hush agreement," as it's called in the suit, refers to Clifford as Peggy Peterson and another individual as David Dennison. In one of the documents, the true identity of Dennison is blacked out, but Avenatti said the individual is Trump.

Clifford signed both the agreement and a side letter agreement using her professional name on Oct. 28, 2016, just days before the 2016 presidential election. Cohen signed the document the same day. Both agreements were appended to the lawsuit as Exhibit 1 and Exhibit 2.

Each document includes a blank where "DD" is supposed to sign, but neither blank is signed.

Clifford and Trump had an intimate relationship that lasted from the summer of 2006 "well into the year 2007," and meetings in Lake Tahoe and at the Beverly Hills Hotel, the lawsuit alleges. In the past, Cohen has said the president denies there was ever a relationship.

The lawsuit says that Cohen — who says he used his personal funds to facilitate a payment to Clifford — has been trying to scare the actress into not talking.

"To be clear, the attempts to intimidate Ms. Clifford into silence and 'shut her up' in order to 'protect Mr. Trump' continue unabated," says the suit. "On or about February 27, 2018, Mr. Trump's attorney Mr. Cohen surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding against Ms. Clifford in Los Angeles."

The nondisclosure agreement said any further dispute would be resolved by binding arbitration "to the greatest extent permitted by law."

If the agreement is void because Trump didn't sign it, as Clifford argues, the arbitration clause would also be unenforceable.

Sarah Fitzpatrick

03-07-18  11:06pm - 2439 days #192
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Trump is a President with a big heart.
That's why his Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos, visted the high school where 17 people were murdered.
One student tweeted that it was a publicity stunt, where Betsy DeVos did not speak with students, or allow them to speak with her.
Instead, DeVos toured the school, so she could say what a great heart she has, to honor the murdered people.

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Florida students say Betsy DeVos wouldn't speak with them during visit
The Guardian Richard Luscombe in Miami,The Guardian 5 hours ago



Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school clashed with Betsy DeVos on Wednesday after the US education secretary toured the campus where 17 people were shot dead last month.

According to at least two teenagers who were present when DeVos arrived for her morning visit, no students were allowed to ask her questions. One claimed DeVos refused to meet or even speak with them.

“You came to our school just for the publicity and avoided our questions for the 90 minutes you were actually here,” Aly Sheehy, a 12th-grade student and survivor of the shooting, said in a tweet. “How about you actually do your job?”

Another student, Carly Novell, the editor of the school’s newspaper Eagle Eye, said she was allowed to photograph DeVos, but not accompany her on the campus tour.

“One student from each publication (TV prod/newspaper/yearbook) was able to see her and take pictures of her, no one followed her. We are part of school publication and it’s our job to report on a public figure visiting the school,” Novell said in one tweet.

“I thought she would at least give us her ‘thoughts and prayers,’ but she refused to even meet/speak with students. I don’t understand the point of her being here.”

DeVos’s visit to the Parkland school was closed to the press, and came on the first full day of lessons for students since the 14 February massacre that claimed the lives of three teachers and 14 of their classmates.

It also came on the day that Florida’s Republican controlled legislature was set to approve a package of gun law reforms that would raise the age at which weapons can be purchased to 21, and outlaw the sale of so-called bump stocks, which convert semi-automatic weapons to the firepower of an automatic.

However, a ban on assault weapons such as the AR-15 used by the Parkland shooter, one of the main demands of the #neveragain movement set up by Stoneman Douglas students in the aftermath of the massacre, was missing from the proposed legislation.

And the legislation would allow certain school personnel, including librarians, administrators and other support staff, to be armed, following Donald Trump’s repeated calls for some teachers to carry guns.

A final vote in Florida’s House of Representatives was expected later on Wednesday.

DeVos spoke briefly with reporters after what she said was “a very sobering and very inspiring visit” and contradicted the students’ account of the meeting.

“There were a number of student newspaper reporters who walked around with me and they are obviously very interested in seeing what adults are going to do about this whole situation,” she said.

“I give a lot of credit to the students here who have found their voices and encouraged them to continue to speak out about finding these solutions and having adults pay attention. They have a lot of very important and worthwhile things to say.”

DeVos also addressed the controversial issue of arming teachers, a measure opposed by the Florida governor Rick Scott. As a concession by state lawmakers to Scott’s stance, the legislation likely to land on his desk for approval later today or on Thursday does not put guns in the hands of teachers whose sole responsibilities lie in the classroom, but permits those who have non-teaching roles to carry a concealed weapon. It also leaves the final decision of allowing armed staff up to the school board in each of Florida’s 67 counties.

“To say ‘arming teachers’ is an oversimplification and a mischaracterisation, really,” DeVos said. “The concept is for those schools and those communities that opt to do this, as they have in Texas, as they have in Polk county and other places around the country, to have people who are expert in being able to defend and having lots and lots of training in order to do so.

“That’s a model that can be adopted and should be an option, but certainly not one that needs to be required and mandated.”

DeVos was referring to a “sentinel” programme set up in Florida’s Polk county by Sheriff Grady Judd, in which volunteers in private educational establishments can carry weapons after extensive training.

The families of the Parkland victims wrote a joint letter to Florida’s lawmakers on Tuesday urging them to pass the $400m legislation, which also includes money for more armed school resource officers and improved mental health services.

“You must act to prevent mass murder from ever occurring again at any school,” they wrote in a letter signed by at least one relative from all 17 families. “This issue cannot wait. The moment to pass this bill is now. We must be the last families to suffer the loss of a loved one due to a mass shooting at a school.”

Prosecutors announced on Wednesday that Nikolas Cruz, a 19-year-old former Stoneman Douglas student, had been indicted on 34 charges related to the shooting, 17 each of first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder. Cruz, who is being held in solitary confinement in the Broward county jail, had already been charged with murder but today’s formal grand jury indictments allow state attorneys to progress the case against him and potentially seek the death penalty.

Cruz’s public defender has said Cruz will plead guilty and avoid a trial if prosecutors take the death penalty off the table, an offer to which they have yet to respond.

The Associated Press contributed to this report

'You came to our school just for the publicity'

Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are calling out Education Secretary Betsy DeVos after she toured the campus where 17 people were shot dead last month.

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I just realized:
If Trump is forced to resign, that leaves Mike Pence as President.

Would we be any better off?

Can we impeach both Trump and Pence at the same time?
Trump, for hypocrisy.
Pence, for sanctimonious bullshit.

Pence, President of the US?
God, forbid.

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Good suggestion.
I should stay away from this thread.
Thanks for the input.

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I still don't understand: Stormy? Really? With so many beautiful porn stars to pick from. We get Stormy late night on HBO Adult Movies, meant for couples, where she puts in quite a few appearances and her voice is as grating on my nerves as fingernails on a blackboard. Would she want me? Not likely, I am old and mostly broke! Just saying!

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Originally Posted by Onyx:


@lk2fireone

In my experience, whoever was in the White House had very little, (if any) impact on my daily life. I'd suggest not focusing so much of your time on it, especially since it seems to make you unhappy. Better for your health to focus your energy on yourself and things that make you happy than being critical of others.


A lot of Presidents have effected my life. Starting with the Vietnam War and maybe sooner. Warning Will Robinson

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03-09-18  02:02am - 2438 days #199
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Bush caused a crash that put a lot of people out of work. A lot of people lost their homes and their savings. A lot of young people lost their lives fighting a war about weapons of mass destruction that never existed. A total fabricated lie. When Obama came into office he created a life line by extending unemployment compensation from 25 to 99 weeks. He also pushed the Affordable Care Act through so millions could have health insurance. Many for the first time in their lives.
These are recent events that have effected millions of lives, and I certainly do pay attention to the people I'm going to vote into office. People who vote through ignorance get what they deserve. Warning Will Robinson

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