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| 06-08-10 09:30pm - 5311 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Staged or spontaneous, what do you think? Two guys are driving merrily along -- camera and paraphernalia in tow -- searching for young, attractive, and innocent girls with which to bring back to their comfortable pad and film themselves fucking her brains out. Then there's the other trolling pussy-seekers who want all the action right away in their vehicle...so once the target is sweet-talked into their van, the girls are fast-talked into piling in the back for their filming debute. What puzzles me is the ease with which these guys get the girls off the ground and into their pussy-wagon. And I'm not convinced they have so much to offer it'll entice a girl to throw caution to the wind and hop right into a van with complete strangers. I've never had that kind of luck..nor anybody else I know. All this would come together if the scenario was staged -- which I'm completely convinced is the case. But the project's intent is unquestionably done to make us believe otherwise... spontaneous and real-time. I figure the place and time the action starts is prearranged, and the guys simply let the girls ad-lib through the whole setup. Good acting isn't easy, and any attempt at it by most porn'ers stick out like a ball-an'-chain. Don't you get kind of tired of these porn peddlers taking pot-shots at our intelligence like this? I'd suppose if we were Eskimos they'd be selling us snowballs. | |
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| 06-08-10 11:08pm - 5311 days | #2 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Reality porn is just as real as reality tv  | |
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| 06-09-10 03:00am - 5310 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The closest thing to reality porn I've seen are the casting videos by Pierre Woodman. That guy is amazing in his ability to persuade young girls to perform sex on camera. Many of the girls are first-time models for porn, and some of them have gone on to become famous. | |
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| 06-09-10 04:23am - 5310 days | #4 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I agree. What these scenes give up in technical perfection they more than make up for in how hot they are. Seeing these new models really early in their careers when they are nervous and a bit clumsy is amazing. Good call on this one lk2fireone! | |
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| 06-09-10 06:41am - 5310 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Uh, Graymane - it's a fantasy - it's not an insult to your intelligence. It's a fantasy. You must have been a lot of fun when you went to see Lord of the Rings - "Yeah, like that would really happen! Who are they kidding? I'm insulted! Give me my money back!" | |
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| 06-09-10 11:17am - 5310 days | #6 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Ok, guys...please give me a break, and for Heaven sake credit for not being so naive as to think this stuff isn't "fantasy." (STAGED) I know my writing sometimes sorta runs off the page, and, admittedly undecipherable, but try again to grasp from my post that WE KNOW IT'S FANTASY BUT THEY APPARANTLY DON'T KNOW THAT WE KNOW...AND, IN FACT, THINK WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO KNOW IT. Example: "Hey Stud, ain't that a chick I see yonder?" Stud: "Well damned, Dick, I believe it is." I'll jus' drive on over to her sos you can do your stuff." Chick: (walking alone in a remote area wearing a skirt up to the cheeks of her ass...oblivious to a van approaching with two guys ogling her) Stud: "Well Hi honey-Bunch, me an' my partner here would be much obliged if'n you'd hop in our littl' 'ol van here and let us make you a movie star." Chick: "Well, gee, fellows, I don't usually do this sort of thing, But OK...what'da I have to do?" I won't belabor my point......I rest my case. | |
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| 06-09-10 11:56am - 5310 days | #7 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I'd admit I am sometimes amazed by how many new/first time girls agree to work with one lucky guy, but on the other hand I seriously doubt he's giving them Monopoly money. I am sure if I started offering women money for sex (on camera, perfectly legal) then my luck would greatly improve. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Jun 09, 2010, 07:12pm | |
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| 06-09-10 12:05pm - 5310 days | #8 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Oh, they know we know, and, possibly more importantly, most of us know that they know that we know. Simple, right?  It's just a part of the overall veil of porn fantasy; they give us a little story and act, and we give them a little time, money, and never question the legitimacy of how some random (and frequently creepy) guys could just happen to meet hot women while their video camera is running, who are perfectly made up and shaved, and then take them back home for a half hour of fun (and, just by coincidence, in a place with great lighting for their video).  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 06-09-10 02:05pm - 5310 days | #9 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I know the deck's stacked against me, here...but I've seen enough of this aging, French Lothario to say he's the perfect example of what I'm talking about. This guy's gotta be among the best at his craft, because he's got even savvy PU aficionados believing it's spontaneous and in real-time. I'm gonna take the liberty to quote our esteemed and valued member RagingBuddhist: "if you're not cynical, you're not paying attention." These gals are interrogated and read the do's and dont's way before they're actually preforming....and all the "persuading" going on during this mesmerizing seduction all goes with Pierre's phenomenal act. I'm going to site one example and then I'm outta here: One has to look real hard, but of the few hot young girls I've seen him interview, the hottest one I noticed was brought on again disguised and made up to look like a new participant. SO, assuming I'm right about all this...may I then appeal to the au courant among us to check this out. And to my illustrious fellow PinkPanther, with The Lord of the Rings thing, a little more, if you please, about "getting my money back." | |
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| 06-09-10 02:38pm - 5310 days | #10 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I am convinced that they do know that we know. It's just a way of introducing another sex scene. I like it far better than 99% of the scenes found on DVDs where they jump right into the sex without any preliminaries. There are so many incongruities when it comes to reality sex that I just ignore and go along with the deception and am glad there's a bit of a story to it! I like Reality Kings for that even though their scenarios are far from real as you pointed out yourself. | |
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| 06-09-10 03:40pm - 5310 days | #11 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Point 1: The Woodman videos are not what is called "real-time". If you watch even a few of these videos closely, you will see that the videos are edited, there are breaks in the continuity where, obviously, some of the video was deleted. This is true for both before and during the actual sex. Point 2: I believe I know the model you are referring to, that appears in 2 different casting videos. I did not get the impression that the girl was being disguised in any way. It's obviously the same girl in both instances, as far as I can tell. (Sometimes different models can look very similar, but I strongly believe it's the same model in both clips). I don't know where you got the impression that the model was supposed to be performing for the first time in both clips. The model did go thru the "standard" performance in both cases, I think, where she is questioned before the sex acts. But that is just the basic format that Woodman uses in his clips: talking to the model/questioning of the model, followed by Woodman eating the girl, then fucking her, then a blowjob, then vaginal or anal sex. Sometimes the order is changed slightly, but there is not a lot of variation in what he does with these girls. Edit: Actually, it's been a while since I saw the 2 clips. I think in the second clip of the same model, Woodman might have used a male performer to take on the girl, instead of doing her himself. But if so, the male performer followed the same type of routine that Woodman uses. Edited on Jun 09, 2010, 03:47pm | |
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| 06-09-10 05:40pm - 5310 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I have both copies of the girl in question, and it's clear to me they did indeed pass her off as a different girl, even going so far as to bringing her on first as a brunette and later as a blond. Interviews and the usual step by step routine Pierre runs through with new girls were followed in the same manner individually in both scenes, and, for all practical purposes, treated as two different girls. To me that kinda smacks of passing them off as different participants. I have the videos..they're yours for the asking Edited on Jun 09, 2010, 05:44pm | |
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| 06-09-10 06:36pm - 5310 days | #13 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
cough cough .... ummmm ... forgive me but for a second there it almost sounded like you were offering to share copyrighted material ... but I'm sure I must have been mistaken.  Former PornUsers Senior AdministratorNow at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 06-09-10 07:19pm - 5310 days | #14 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I'm "sure" you must be right,Chief. Unwittingly "mistaken" it is." Could'ya please chalk this up to Newbie ignorance?  | |
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| 06-09-10 07:37pm - 5310 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm affraid the 2 guys driving along and seeing a good looking girl whom they entice to have sex scenario is not one that I'm able to believe anymore because the new 2257 regulations require the studio have all the models info on file. That kind of kills the fantasy for me. If anyone still can believe in them than that's great for you guys. There may be more than 2 but the best ones are Ed Powers in the US and Pierre Woodman in Europe. Both of these men have mastered the art of getting girls to do porn or at least to think about it. Ed only showed scenes where the girl did something wherehas Pierre will sometime show only the interview. I can't speak on the same model appearing twice on Pierre shoot since I don't know which girl you are talking about but I will say that I have seen the same girl comeback later on after having done only the interview the first time and now she chooses to do hardcore and some of them look significantly different from one scene to the next. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-09-10 07:54pm - 5310 days | #16 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
No sweat graymane. I was sure it was a momentary lapse. More towards the topic ... If one considers that in most porn shoots, certain documents must be verified/checked beforehand, then the question of "reality" is cast in a clearer light. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson Edited on Jun 09, 2010, 07:57pm | |
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| 06-09-10 09:24pm - 5310 days | #17 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
It appears that we are talking about 2 different models. I found the 2 clips of the model I was thinking about. In the first video clip, she has sex with Pierre Woodman. In the second video clip, she has sex with a different, younger male model. The model I am looking at, named Julia in both clips I am seeing, has brown hair in both video clips. You state that the model you are thinking/talking about is brunette in one clip, and blonde in the second clip. If the model I am looking at changes her hair to blonde in some clip, I haven't seen that clip, or remember seeing it. Can you tell me what names were used for the model in the clips you have, and also the titles of the clips? Some of the video clips follow the format of: "Private_Castings_12__Pierre_Woodman__Mercedes" where 12 would be the number of the clip in the series, and "Mercedes" would be the name of the model. The model I was talking about appears in the video clip: "Private_Castings_37__Pierre_Woodman__Julia". | |
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| 06-09-10 09:39pm - 5310 days | #18 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
In the Woodman casting series, there is almost always an interview with the model shown. That interview takes place before any sex. And in the interview, they ask the age of the girl, and often show someone checking some document (passport or something) to verify the age the model says she is. So if this is a staged performance, where the model and Woodman or whoever is doing the interview and sex have rehearsed what is shown on video, it is a very convincing performance that appears spontaneous and natural and real. I really doubt these girls are such accomplished actresses that they could give the performances they are giving. If they were that good as actresses, then I really believe they would have gone into making non-porn films and we would be seeing a lot more of them than in just porno. But some of these models (that appeared in Woodman porn clips) have gone on to make a career in non-porn modelling, as well as some of them becoming major porn stars. But I haven't really heard of any of them going on to make a major career in non-porn acting. But give them time, and maybe one will.  | |
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| 06-09-10 10:44pm - 5310 days | #19 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
. I'm going to give you the benifit of the doubt, fireone, because I'm convinced I can't shake your conviction. I will sum up my arguement though by saying anything is possible if one has the power Pierre has over his domain and his girls......These girls are acting, acting is an art designed to portray another character. If they can fool the viewer then they've accomplished their task. The two scenes you requested are as noted: private casting 13....Christina Private casting 44....Anetta Keys Edited by Staff on Jun 10, 2010, 06:10am (Khan: fixed quoteback) | |
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| 06-10-10 02:21am - 5309 days | #20 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
There are too many rules and regulations for the vast majority of commercially produced porn to be spontaneous, especially in the "I wasn't going to have sex with him before I got here but I will now" way. What I would argue is much more likely is that he basically knows where to look for girls that are thinking about getting into porn that haven't yet, and proceeds to cast those girls in his movies. There's a US site called Amateur Allure that basically deals in the same type of thing, from what I've heard, but I've never actually been a member. | |
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| 06-10-10 08:45am - 5309 days | #21 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Thanks for the names of the clips. I will try to see if I have them on one of my hard drives. But that will take a while, because my porn collection is very disorganized. | |
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