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| 09-22-15 06:32pm - 3336 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
The Female Ejaculation and Squirting Debate I can't believe that there isn't an old thread on this to revive, so I am starting a new one. This is in response to the recent poll, and I think the topic is worthy of a thread. Is female ejaculation fake or real? Is it cum or urine? Is it all of the above? What makes this a really confusing subject is the way that female ejaculation is shown in porn. Much of what you see coming from some sites claiming to show female ejaculation is actually models either peeing or squirting out a douche. For example April O'Neil talked about a "Lesbian Bukakke" scene she did in one of those 'Ask a Porn Star' videos. The models were told they had three choices - squirt if they can, pee if they can't, or fill up their vagina with water and force it out if they get bladder shy. That sums it up for a lot of the squirting you see in porn - it is really a mixed bag. If you see a woman shoot a brief but heavy gush of clear fluid from the mouth of her vagina, not her urethra, right after a scene cut, that is a simulated squirt using a douche. So to clear up the confusion, maybe we can start by agreeing on which hole female ejaculate comes from. This should be easy to establish, but unfortunately different sources are all over the place on this. There actually is a clear answer, but the writing out there just does not do it justice. The most common misconception about female ejaculation is that it comes from both of two sets of glands called the Bartholin's and Skene's glands.  Look at this illustration of Bartholin's and Skene's glands. Have you ever in your life seen a video of a woman squirting from either of these areas? If you have please let me know, because I have seen literally tens of thousands of squirting scenes, both amateur and professional, and I have never seen this. If there is a secretion from the Bartholin's gland, it is only a miniscule amount and part of a larger overall female ejaculation response. The Skene's glands are more complicated, and we will get back to that. Masters and Johnson showed in their pioneering work on the female sexual response that the Bartholin's glands did not play the role in vaginal lubrication previously thought. They produce a small amount during arousal, and the majority of lubrication comes from the lining of the vagina itself. This once prominent role that the Bartholin's glands were though to have in vaginal lubrication seems to have gotten confused with female ejaculation and perpetuated in much of the writing out there. For example on Wikipedia, the article on female ejaculation states "... Bartholin's gland believed to be important for the phenomenon of female ejaculation," while the article on the Bartholin's gland itself correctly goes over the Masters and Johnson research. So the Bartholin's gland is out, or if it plays any role in female ejaculation, it is a peripheral role involving the release of an almost imperceptible amount of fluid. The valid anatomic basis for female ejaculation lies in the Skene's glands, also called the paraurethral glands, the lesser vestibular glands, and the female prostate. The anatomy of these glands is really poorly described in most accounts of female ejaculation. They are often illustrated as one hole to either side of the urethra. In reality, the glands have ducts draining into the actual urethral duct in some women, and they are totally absent in many other women. The thinking is that the tissue that develops into the prostate in males forms these glands instead in females. Studies have been published showing that they secrete many proteins associated with the male prostate, such as prostate specific antigen (PSA). In recognition of this, many scientists in the field are advocating that we clear up the confusion and just start calling the glands the female prostate. This makes a lot of sense, and it even explains the link between female ejaculation and the g-spot. The prostate in men is a sensitive sexual organ, so why shouldn't it be the same in women? As you may or may not know, men can be stimulated to orgasm through prostate massage alone, done with a finger in the butt hole. It's actually an undisputed medical fact. So no wonder the female prostate, located around the urethra right at the g-spot, can be stimulated to a squirting orgasm in women who possess the glands. So, if you are staying with me, then we can agree that female ejaculate comes from the female prostate, right? Hopefully, you are starting to get some clarity on this complicated topic? But there is still the question of what actually is female ejaculation, what would fully characterize the response, and where do you draw the line with urination? If female ejaculation is a function only of the female prostate, which is still relatively small, then female ejaculation should be a small, brief, squirt of fluid from the urethra. There are many women who do exactly this, in amateur and professional porn, and in real life. So what about the women who shoot a full liter out across the room when they squirt? There is only one structure down there that can hold that much fluid, and that is the bladder. So it is just peeing, right? It is not that simple. What if some cases of female ejaculation involve emptying the urinary bladder and the female prostate at the same time? Who is to say that female ejaculate cannot be a mix of fluid from the female prostate and urine? People tend to dichotomize between the two, but to state what is obvious to me, who is to say that urine does not play a greater role in human sexuality than we think? If female ejaculate contains urine, plus female prostatic fluid, then is that not its true biology? Now, we are left with some answers, but more questions as a result. Women's advocates are right to support efforts towards a better understanding of female sexuality. The criticism that much prior study in the field has emphasized male sexuality over female sexuality seems to be true. To end with one final thought, what if urination as part of female ejaculation is not an accident, but really just a variant of female biology? While we are just starting to understand female ejaculation, the role of urination in human sexuality is completely devoid of any formal study. It has been written off as a paraphilia, a sexual deviation, but in reality it is just a variation on a theme in biology. Maybe someday people will know and accept more. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 09-23-15 08:34pm - 3335 days | #2 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
My ex-wife had a definite discharge when she climaxed. There was a particular odor to it, and it didn't feel like urine. If she climaxed in the missionary position, this discharge would end up on her mons veneris, and on me, and if it was a powerful orgasm it would be quite a lot. If it was a really big O there was usually quite a mess underneath us as well. Orally, I never saw her actually squirt, but during climax there would be that discharge. Depending on the magnitude of her orgasm - sometimes she had little ones, and sometimes really powerful ones that would go on and on - it would be quite messy, and it was NOT urine. To repeat, though: I never saw her actually squirt, not even during her most powerful orgasm. I've looked high and low for videos of genuine female ejaculation. In The Crack features a few. I've seen those gusher videos, and they always make me laugh more than anything else. Although it can be entertaining and a turn on in a fantasy sense, just as videos with ridiculously fake male ejaculation can be a turn on if they are done well, and if you are willing to do that "suspension of disbelief." My first lover - and I've only slept with two women, both long term relationships - had occasional big O's with a very small amount of discharge, but nothing actually squirted. I guess there might be women out there who literally squirt in copious amounts. How awesome! It's a very interesting subject. I've seen some Japanese videos where the women were manually brought to climax and the discharge and physical reaction of the performers were very similar to my ex wife's. My ex-wife was most easily brought to the big O manually. If she was in a certain mood, it could happen within twenty or thirty seconds, and happen over and over. But, unfortunately for me, she was very rarely in this kind of a mood. I sure wish I could understand women!  You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 09-24-15 08:23am - 3334 days | #3 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 583 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
I must say I'm a huge fan of it, love Veronica Avluv scenes, she seems to be the queen of squirting and you see the insides of her vagina pulsating and the squirting discharging, huge turn on for me. Love also Riley Reid squirt scenes. I like to think its them climaxing as opposed to simply peeing. There's a technique, don't know what exactly you do but seen lots of those movies when someone brings them two a squirting orgasm with wild fingering action and then they get a drenching lol. Never sure if this is simply opening up access to the bladder or them simply having a wet feast of an orgasm. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 09-24-15 01:24pm - 3334 days | #4 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
That technique I think you are referring to is their way of hitting the g-spot. Lots of fast finger action with pressure on the front wall of the vagina. That pressure goes right on the g-spot and also the urethra. The pressure on the urethra is why you sometimes see them squirt in bursts every time the fingers go in and out. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 09-24-15 09:37pm - 3334 days | #5 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
To describe this graphically, I could make my ex cum quite quickly with a simple method. She would lie on her side, and I would use my fingers on the inside, upwards, towards her pubis, and rub my fingers back and forth across that fleshy wall there. Or, she would lie on her belly. I put fingers in, knuckles upward - toward the ceiling - and rub downward, side to side. IF she was already in the mood and responsive, this could make her, in the words of Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, "light up like a pinball machine." My ex had a tiny clitoris, in fact, in the early years of our marriage, I discovered that she didn't even know what it was, what it was called. She was born in Mexico, and by her own account, most of the men she knew anything about, with respect to sexuality, were of the "two pumps, a tickle and a squirt" variety (Stephen King quote): ie They didn't give a hoot in hell about whether the woman got off or not. A female of close relation, when in conversation of sexual matters, was completely ignorant of the fact that a woman could have an orgasm. My ex said, "She just looked at me with her eyes wide open, her mouth open, like, 'what the hell are you talking about?' " With my ex, I could go all day, in the words of the immortal Frank Zappa, applying "rotation to her sugar plum", without so much as a hum or a sigh. But on the INSIDE - BINGO! How wonderful it was when we discovered this! OH to be married again! I was a lucky man, and I threw it all away because I'm an idiot. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 09-24-15 09:44pm - 3334 days | #6 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
It doesn't have to be fast. Strong, rhythmic sweeps can do the trick also. BUT - yes, hard and fast works. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 09-25-15 05:41am - 3334 days | #7 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I think it would be very interesting if you were to start a thread about which sites you like and why. I know nothing about peeing videos and I am sure I am not alone. | |
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| 09-25-15 02:21pm - 3333 days | #8 | |
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Micha (0)
Active User Posts: 321 Registered: Jul 04, '10 Location: san jose ca |
Shortly after reading about the newly discovered G spot, I went looking for it. It didn't take long to find it, my partner Cynthia responded measurably, and shortly after, I was drenched. I was in a position to closely witness the ejaculation. It erupted from the interior of the vagina, not from the exterior parts, and definitely not from the urethra. Never having tasted urine, I can't speak definitely but the liquid was not unpleasant in taste and did not burn my eyes. At first, Cindy was embarrassed at the discharge but I encouraged her and it soon became OK with her. We began taking a towel to bed with us. Though this was before the internet, I was able to determine in reading more about G spots, that a discharge associated with G spot manipulation was not uncommon. In the interim I have known three other women who needed to take a towel to bed. micha unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck. | |
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| 10-11-15 08:31pm - 3317 days | #9 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Sorry for the late reply, just getting back in from a nice vacation to the beaches of SoCal. Maybe it's time that PU got a thread for pee sites? As you know if you've read my old posts, I've literally joined hundreds, so it gives me an interesting perspective. Even when I talk to webmasters, I generally know more about their "competitors" than they do  .If I reviewed every site that I joined, I would totally flood the site with pee fetish reviews, so instead I try to stick to the sites that I really feel strongly about when I write reviews. I think a thread would be good though. I'll kick one off soon. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 01-08-16 11:11am - 3228 days | #12 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
I am so glad that I found this thread, because I was honestly dumbfounded the first time I saw it happen in a video. I guess that I'd been living a sheltered life? Anyway, it wasn't on a squirting site, so at the time, I just assumed that the chick had peed randomly while doing the deed. Now I know that although maybe she did, there are other possibilities too and how to spot the fake quakes from the real wet ones. The plot thickens... Or maybe, it drippens? | |
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| 01-08-16 02:38pm - 3228 days | #13 | |
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Tittyshake (0)
Suspended  Posts: 27 Registered: Jan 04, '16 Location: Toronto |
Female squirting has always been of interest to me so I've read quite a bit of information on it although it seems to be mixed conclusions. I found this article particularly interesting. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...ulation-9987298.html "I want to turn the whole world on, just for a moment . . . if only for a moment." -Edie Sedgwick | |
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| 01-13-16 01:45pm - 3223 days | #14 | |
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jenny babe (0)
Suspended  Posts: 11 Registered: Jan 13, '16 Location: Middle Earth, Earth |
You are totally right dude, rhythmically timing does more romantic that make romance last longer. Well, being fast do excitement but a short period of time. "When I'm gone, just look up the sky love's and remember me, when you see a rainbow cross over the river flow." | |
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| 01-13-16 01:50pm - 3223 days | #15 | |
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jenny babe (0)
Suspended Posts: 11 Registered: Jan 13, '16 Location: Middle Earth, Earth |
Approximately yes, agree. Just figure it out few months later when hubby talk about g-spot and do a researches which part really works best. Really, thankful to him, he always find ways to make us happy both. "When I'm gone, just look up the sky love's and remember me, when you see a rainbow cross over the river flow." | |
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| 10-06-18 03:12am - 2227 days | #16 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User Posts: 583 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Had to revive this cause the other day I saw a girl on Chaturbabe called sweetsexangel and I've honestly never seen anything like before, didn't even thing it was possible, she climaxed over and over again, I lost count how many times and everytime this milky colored liquid flowed out of her vagina, she had one of them pink lovesense things in her and masturbating also with her fingers, it blew my mind, she has to be extremely unique with the ability to cum like this, just when you thought surely she has no more in her and shed get tipped again to send her lovesense crazy and she'd cum again with all this milky cum, she must of had a severe wet patch on her floor. It was simply amazing to watch. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 10-08-18 09:35am - 2224 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I've never seen the real thing because I believe that all the studio who claim to show female ejaculation/squirting are faking it. In fact I believe that most of the women who appear to have an orgasm are faking it. That said I have often heard mention of multiple orgasm from the women Pierre Woodman interviews. Whether most of them fake it during their sex scene with him is up to debate but I have seen the result in some of his videos where it's obvious that the woman had at least one orgasm. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-09-18 01:04am - 2224 days | #18 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I have watched sweetsexangel before. My only complaint is one of the times I watched, she was fully-nude for nearly an hour, smoked 9-10 cigarettes but never masturbated. She seemed frustrated and one of the moderators kept kicking people out. She reminds me so much of Pamela Spice, one of Pacino's models from Pacino's Adventures. Such a natural, pretty, young woman. There's another model who uploads her videos on the tube sites. I've seen two different names listed for her but have found a Google search for "Girl gets wet next to sister" brings it up. She's doing the same type of content as sweetsexangel, but she uses a vibrating panty that goes off when she's tipped. I should add, I don't believe it's really her sister and even more so, with the two different names I've seen for her, I'm sure someone is labeling them to get more views. She wears the dark grey shorts/panties and her and her "sister" and friend (she has about 10 videos) are doing normal things at their house. Watching television is the most common. The crotch of her grey panties starts getting darker within the first few minutes. Eventually, in all of her videos, she rolls to her side (makes it look like the person there with her can't see) and slides her panties down in the back. I also consider this type of content to be very erotic. As for the validity of squirting, my ex could do it fairly easily. She would mostly need me to talk to her about taboo fantasies and she would cause herself to contract over and over. The squirts weren't huge but would go maybe a foot and would be white and milky. I do think it goes into mental/emotional connections/taboos. For years, she would say she held back because she didn't want to "make a mess". Once I talked to her about letting go, she started doing it on a regular basis. Oddly enough, not too long after this started happening, she started doubting the relationship and this to me, tells exactly about the emotional/mental part, she would say, "I don't like doing it, anymore. It makes me feel like you have all the control." It's not surprising to see these younger women doing it since they are more open to masturbating and sex with less issues with power/control. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 10-13-18 02:45am - 2220 days | #19 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User Posts: 583 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Yeah she is often on chaturbate and I've never seen her masturbate like that to be honest, she is often just sitting nude, it was a rare moment maybe, literally insane as I say the milky goo coming out of the girl, I expect she doesn't do it too often. I'll keep checking back on her I think though on the offchance she is masturbating to those degrees. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 10-15-18 12:37pm - 2217 days | #20 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
I've only had it happen with me and a girl once by accident. And frankly we were both pretty young and inexperienced at the time so it mostly freaked us out. Now when I see a babe do it, it brings back a flood of warm memories - if you'll pardon the pun! | |
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