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| 06-05-20 08:24am - 1670 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
You owe it to us! Two days ago I wrote a question regarding the site (?) " Legal Porn ". TBP states clearly that they will not deal with them. That's appreciated but you owe the reader as to the reason why..Gee in this case may save readers big bucks that might be channeled to a more legit site and benifit TBP also, bad sites need to be called out and the only ones who can do it are you. Bet it would also generate tons more traffic...Just sayin! STAY WELL! Pornpundit | |
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| 06-05-20 11:40am - 1670 days | #2 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
I've posted several times asking if the PU staff could post a note saying: -Post all sites PU will not deal with. -Give some reason for the action (a simple, legal reason for the action, so PU does not get sued, which I assume is the reason PU does not give reasons for the action). There are a number of sites that PU decided to stop doing business with, that are no longer listed at PU. This does a disservice to the PU members, because it does not give us a heads up there might be a problem with the site. And it shouldn't be that hard to indicate a reason for not doing business with a site, that won't get PU sued. Why not tell PU members what the reason is? Instead of either deleting the site entirely, or giving an uninformative statement "We have stopped doing business with this site". Just sayin. | |
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| 06-05-20 12:30pm - 1670 days | #3 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
 Well of course I agree. Sites are not likely to even file a lawsuit as many, including the one we are talking about one, are in Europe or what was formally known as " the eastern block. Even those in this country are not likely to sue as it brings unwanted information disclosed and third they would lose as the the facts are on our side. Besides there still is a little thing called " Freedom of the press. Hard to sue a critic on their opinion. STAY WELL ALL! Pornpundit | |
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| 06-05-20 04:07pm - 1669 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^The reasons why TBP/PU/Rabbit stopped promoting LP are not important. Would it really matter if you knew them? I think the fact that the people behind the best review sites on the net feel that at this time they would rather not do business with LP is enough to make anyone reticent in forking over your hard earned money on a site that may be in transition. I have no idea if the people behind LP would consider legal action if TBP/PU/Rabbit chose to reveal some secrets but I certainly wouldn't take the chance and i think you wouldn't either. I have been a member of PU since basically day one but that pales when compared to how long I have used TBP for their honest reviews. In what used to be a cesspool of lies perpetrated by many dishonest review sites. TBP stood as a beacon of honesty. Until I see differently then I trust them to have my back and if they don't want to do business with a site then I don't want to either. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-06-20 12:09pm - 1669 days | #5 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
hi Pornpundit | |
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| 06-06-20 07:49pm - 1668 days | #6 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I think but am not positive that TBP/PU stopped doing business with them when the whole DDF converting to Porn World part happened. Their (Legal Porn) representative wasn't very upfront or honest about the changes. He also had told me there would be no differences in DDF's content once moved to Porn World, but there are several major differences. You can see the thread on this forum about refunds for DDF/Porn World. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 06-07-20 07:52am - 1668 days | #7 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User  Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Case in point the girlsdoporn.com and girlsdotoys.com sites. I looked them up this morning and instead of the site coming up it was news articals about the the owners getting arrested for sex trafficking, coercion, and fraud. They had a racket set up where the girls were lied to from the onset. They set up the shoots while having paid employees contacting them posing as former models to ease suspicions then get them on a plane to San Diego. They pick them up and immediately drive them to a hotel to shoot the scene, now here's where my heart breaks for these girls! They get a multi page contract shoved in their face and forced to sign it without being able to read it while the other guys are rearranging the furniture to set up lighting conveniently barricading the door with said furniture and equipment cases. Models are told from the onset that their scenes are to be released on dvd overseas only. All contract have no mention of either sites. Girls were held hostage until the scenes were completed with at least one girl being raped on camera. Then they would literally throw them back on a plane to get rid of them. One month later they post the video online. These pieces of shit had another site whose entire purpose was to out pornstars and shame them posting their real names, addresses, email, and social medias. As of early January 2020 they lost their civil case and have a multi-million dollar settlement against them but the 22 girls who had the courage to sue (over a 100 came forward but refused to attach their names to the suit out of fear of reprisal) will never see a cent as one of the owners fled the country and transferred all assets overseas. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on Jun 07, 2020, 08:01am (Wraith0711: typo/grammer) | |
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| 06-08-20 11:40am - 1667 days | #8 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
Thanks Wraith, I was not gonna address Pat's seemingly grumpy reply but your information is exactly the reason I like to know the " secrets " LOL. I consider any forum to share not only opinions and answer questions but to inform and sometimes even " entetain". I refuse to play " Cover my eyes because any site ( even the great people here ) tell me that they won't do business with them. Perhaps the site is ok but they have been really " bad actors " such above, or they double charge, or the editor was insulted by the site.....or just maybe they don't pay their bills in a timely manor  . Oh BTW Pat, I've been a member here about three months after you which I guess allows me to say since maybe day 91 ROFL. There are no " secrets" when it comes to porn that i'm aware of either as a reader of this fantastic site or as a critic for another site in the past.  .In any case I hope everyone stays well. Pornpundit Pornpundit | |
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| 06-08-20 07:14pm - 1666 days | #9 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Your very welcome. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-08-20 07:15pm - 1666 days | #10 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Your very welcome Sir Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-09-20 12:05pm - 1666 days | #11 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I was a long-time ticket buyer with Legal Porno. I probably went for a period of three or four years with a monthly ticket purchase. As a result, I have close to 1000 scenes from LP. Needless to say, I was also a fan of theirs. I’ve since cancelled that recurring membership about a year ago because it seemed they were going downhill. I’ve done a bit of reading on LP and some of it isn’t terribly flattering. Some other issues crop up that indicate that they have certainly changed as well. One thing that I learned is that LP doesn’t exist as a typical porn site. It is really a co-operative for various studios. The studios shoot their own material independently and price them however they want on the main LP site. The reason I mention this is because if one or two studios are the primary culprit then the other ones aren’t. Since I was a subscriber there for so long I was able to notice some distinct trends. The most obvious of these is that LP migrated to being all anal, all super-hard and eventually to having double anal penetration in most of their scenes. Also, pissing scenes became more common. I think we’ve all heard some horror stories from some of the LP studios. One I read several years ago was that a director required models to use a numbing agent on their assholes so that they could endure the hard anal sex the director wanted without having to call off the scene. More recently the model Vera King posted a scathing exposé about the studio she worked for. Not only had she never filmed anal in her career but she had never done it in her personal life either. She describes the location as being somewhere in a rural part of the Czech Republic with no easy escape. She describes the conditions there as being filthy. She shot several scenes for them and, if I recall correctly, they shortchanged her on pay. https://verakingx.tumblr.com/ Other models have complained about not being paid what they had agreed to. Something else that I’ve noticed since I have been popping in just to see what’s going on at LP over the past six months is that their prices have skyrocketed. Back when I was a regular member the most expensive scenes may have cost five tickets and it would be rare to have one cost more than that. Now, it seems that those prices have gone up significantly and it isn’t unusual to see scenes with a double-digit ticket requirement. Obviously I don’t know much about their business model but it seems to me that they could hold their prices or even reduce them and try to increase volume or almost double the prices and hope that there is a smaller number of people out there who will continue to pay it. Another concern is that LP bought out DDF studios a while back and LP posts some DDF scenes and charges a significant number of tickets for them. I think that if an LP subscriber paid for it DDF scene and realize that for not much more money he or she could have subscribed to the DDF site and downloaded hundreds of scenes they might think of LP as being less than scrupulous. I’m not making a value judgment on this but LP has branched out into transsexual scenes as well. I have no idea how well these are selling but since LP is continuing to produce them I assume that there is some demand for them. LP has started to offer some scenes that look almost like amateur porn and some of these are actually quite soft but, for some strange reason the prices charged for the scenes are absolutely astronomical. I’ve seen a soft scene that is only a few minutes long asking for 12 tickets. This is absurd. I’d advise keeping an eye open for these. Most seem to be marketed as “Out of the Studio.” I note that there was one of these scenes uploaded yesterday with a solo model masturbating. The scene is 10 minutes long and costs 6.5 tickets. A few years ago this would be the price for a two-hour gangbang. Something else I’ve noticed is that the number of models shooting for them seems to have decreased. This makes sense since not many models would be either interested in or capable of shooting these kinds of scenes. I’d love to see LP get back to their roots but I can’t see it happening in the near future. It looks like they’ve gone all-in in this new business model and the studios that film for them have gone all-in on extreme scenes. And to keep things on topic, I’m okay with TBP not explaining why LP was delisted. It’s been my experience here that when this happens it’s for a good reason related to protecting potential subscribers. Most of the times it’s shady billing issues but I would support delisting sites where there are credible complaints of abuse against the models. | |
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| 06-09-20 09:59pm - 1665 days | #12 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
The Porn Users and The Best Porn sites (sister sites, both owned/managed by the same company, along with Rabbit's Reviews) do not have a consistent policy about de-listing a site. Sometimes, when they de-list a site, they drop the site entirely. So a search for the site returns 0 hits. Other times, they might leave a notice that they no longer do business with the site. With no explanation. I would much prefer if the sites could leave a simple notice that: 1. They are no longer doing business with the site. 2. A short explanation of the reason. A legal, bullet-proof explanation, if possible, because no one wants to get sued. If the PU-related sites leave a notice that they are no longer doing business with a site, that gives PU members a heads-up that there is something wrong with the site. Deleting the de-listed site entirely, gives little hint there is something wrong with the de-listed site. Very occasionally, a site will be de-listed, then listed again. When it's brought to the attention of the PU staff that a site is de-listed, and they investigate, and decide that the site is OK to do business with. I remember at least one time that I saw that happen. I don't recall the specific site, or what the reason why the site was de-listed, and then re-listed. But leaving a notice that PU/TBP chooses not to do business with a site, at least gives PU members a heads-up there might be something wrong with the site. Instead of removing all mention of the site entirely from the PU/TBP sites. That would be my preference. | |
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| 06-10-20 04:23am - 1665 days | #13 | |
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Kody (0)
Active User Posts: 26 Registered: Feb 03, '18 Location: NYC |
I think one of the problems here is that when you are giving an explanation about why a specific site is "de-listed", there's no way of doing it without somewhat "listing" it. Even if we'd have a list with all sites to avoid, those sites would still "technically" be promoted on here by their mentioning. In the case of shady billers / bad customer service, that's one thing. But in case of abusing the models, there could be people that genuinely don't care, or even WANT to see it. Those people would then still find the site through the listing here. | |
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| 06-10-20 05:48am - 1665 days | #14 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
If the site is still up with the we choose not to do business banner on it then a simple explanation wouldn't be hard to add. The site is still up with the last review the site did on it, just pull it off. I never honestly thought of the legal ramifications of adding an explanation to it. This is why I love the forums and having a respectful discussion about it. With the legalities of today I understand why they don't do it and open themselves up be to sued for libel even though it's true. Even a vague "accusations of fraud" could probably be sue for. One things for sure in the good ol USA the law only protects the guilty...... Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-19-20 05:42am - 1656 days | #15 | |
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Tom D Admin
PornUsers Staff  Posts: 39 Registered: Feb 27, '20 Location: Cyberspace |
The message on sites is intentionally vague - as a business, we cannot burn bridges. There are plenty of temporary issues that can easily be resolved through dialogue. Domain names are valuable commodities and new management teams or new owners can often reinvigorate old sites. So we may resume linking to any that we feel has changed for the better. In this specific case, when you sign into Legal Porno, you are now redirected to a new members' area under the Porn Box domain. Even though we've been assured you get the same content and we are not questioning the validity of that statement, we know people are wary of redirecting domains. We would like to do a fresh listing/review of PornBox - but obviously, the LegalPorno has established traffic - so we're still waiting for the new domain to be submitted. To be very clear - Porn Box might be the same or even better than Legal Porno. We simply cannot confirm until we've been given the chance to thoroughly access it. Hello, I'm Tom, your PU admin today. Would you like to hear about our specials? | |
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| 06-23-20 01:38am - 1652 days | #16 | |
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Kody (0)
Active User Posts: 26 Registered: Feb 03, '18 Location: NYC |
Thanks for the clear communication, Tom. Especially the first part, where you explain the attitude PU takes towards this issue. | |
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| 06-23-20 06:29am - 1652 days | #17 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Thank you for the reply sir. As I stated above I never thought of the legal side of posting comments about black listing a site and now I see the business side of that too. Thanks to all for a civil informative discussion. Good day to all! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-23-20 06:29am - 1652 days | #18 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Thank you for the reply sir. As I stated above I never thought of the legal side of posting comments about black listing a site and now I see the business side of that too. Thanks to all for a civil informative discussion. Good day to all! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 06-23-20 06:30am - 1652 days | #19 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
And again with the double post  Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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