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| 12-01-15 06:14pm - 3266 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
James Deen Accused of Rape & Attempted Rape By Numerous Women I suppose this shouldn't be a shock: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/01/entertainm...&linkId=19225912 | |
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| 12-01-15 06:41pm - 3266 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It was hard to know if this was maybe a past girlfriend trying to get back at her boyfriend because all of this started with two Tweets from Deen's past girlfriend Stoya but that is no longer the case. Kink, Evil Angel and Doc Johnson have all broken their association with Deen. The more I hear about this story and the more I am left perplexed. It appears that Deen has been mistreating the women on various porn sets for many years but we're only now hearing about it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-02-15 07:03am - 3266 days | #3 | |
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TheBrickster (0)
Active User  Posts: 41 Registered: Dec 02, '15 Location: New Hampshire |
Yeah, it's still taking some time to process it all. Not that he's the first male in the industry to have a terrible reputation (Max Hardcore, Rob Black) or have recently done something terrible to women on/off set (Mr Marcus having sex on camera knowing he has syphilis) . Listen to Buried At Sea. | |
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| 12-02-15 12:58pm - 3265 days | #4 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User  Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
To be honest, this has really thrown me for a loop!! | |
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| 12-02-15 06:29pm - 3265 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
It's bizarre. Joanna Angel, so far as I know, had never had anything but positive things to say about James. Then in this story she's talking about him being the worst human being alive. It reminds me of a story a relative told me a while ago about how on the most depressed day of her life she was sitting at her computer just weeping, practically drowning her keyboard, writing all these emails to everyone she could think of telling them how happy she was and how everything in her life was so great. You never really know unless you were there - and maybe not even then. | |
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| 12-02-15 07:36pm - 3265 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I don't think I have ever heard a single negative thing said about Deen and now in the span of just a couple of days. He is more or less been called a repeat sexual abuser who may also be a rapist. It's still a little unclear when he started abusing the women who are now coming forward because we don't have actual timeline other than we know Stoya and he broke up sometime last year. I know he dated Joanna Angel for a while and they appeared in many movies together so that adds to the overall confusion. I can understand why the women never accused Cosby of rape. Being a beloved icon gave him all the power but Deen although a sought after performer has never had that kind of power because the industry needs a guy for a scene but can easily find plenty to be the stunt dick while the same can't be said for the women. Just look at the rates women make in porn VS their male counterpart. If there is wage inequality in porn. It certainly isn't the women who are in a position to complain. They make at least 2 to 3 times the rates men make. If you want a possibly different take on the Stoya/Deen saga than Read the below article. Shay Ryan's perspective on this thing: http://nevermorecollective.com/upset-and-plenty-of-vomit/ Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-02-15 08:03pm - 3265 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Good to hear from someone that WAS there for a lot of their relationship. Not being a fan, I've never seen much of Stoya at all, she is a complete cypher to me. | |
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| 12-03-15 01:43pm - 3264 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:26pm | |
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| 12-03-15 11:39pm - 3264 days | #9 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
I'm not sure what the surprise is here, there have been plenty of rumours around and he's on a lot of "Won't Work With" lists. Deen is just about the most brutal and aggressive performer in the business, even on scenes which don't require that kind of behaviour. While most Kink performers just go through it for the money, Deen does it because he enjoys treating women that way. As one accuser said "He likes to break women". Consent is clearly a theoretical concept when surrounded by women who have been paid to consent to whatever abuse he chooses to mete out to them, and as several have found he has been quite prepared to go well beyond consent, whether it is Kora Peters being analy raped or Amber Rayne being beaten and hospitalized after a scene. Even X-art, who had the misfortune of publishing a scene with him the day before Stoya's tweets, boasted about how much he hurt the girl he was working with (which shows how much that site has sunk since its heyday of 4 - 5 years ago, glamcore it isn't!). He is popular because he looks quite cute and has a big cock, not because of his personality or beliefs. As with many abusive peronalities, the veneer of charm is clearly just a manipulative sham. It will be interesting to see which companies continue to use them. | |
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| 12-04-15 06:29am - 3264 days | #10 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Hey Wittyguy, yeah, the Deen website still is listed in New Full Trials because it's one of the "newest" we have.  | |
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| 12-06-15 12:48am - 3262 days | #11 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I remember reading something about Deen being "the nice guy of porn" several years ago, but had trouble finding anything about that old story simply because this new story is all that shows up in search results. Or maybe I have him confused with someone else? Admittedly, I haven't watched much of his work. I've seen him on Kink quite a bit, but only remember watching one or two scenes where him and Isis Love worked together (not sexually) to submit, seduce other models. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 12-06-15 11:48am - 3261 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I seem to remember reading the same thing and it may very well have been true at the time. In fact it may still be true. Unless you have read new stuff. All we currently have are some pretty vague comments from a variety of women who worked with Deen in the past. It's still unclear when they would have worked with him and exactly what he did to them. As far as I can gather and it's not necessarily accurate. He seems to have boundary issues when it comes to what some women are willing to happen between him and them during certain scenes. All of the companies that are now shunning him never seemed to have any issue with his work in the past and all the accusations seem to be in the past so why be so virulently against him now? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-06-15 09:56pm - 3261 days | #13 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Because rape and attempted rape are serious allegations. | |
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| 12-07-15 06:18am - 3261 days | #14 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User  Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
I see a lot of questions on these forums about James Dean in his current situation. So please allow me to answer these as best I can. 1) Is James Dean the nice guy of porn? No, and he never was. The reason people think he was the nice guy is because he is nice looking. And because of this ABC nightline exclusive from years ago. http://www.hulu.com/watch/325990 Furthermore there has always been evidence of him not being the nice guy in porn as you can see here in these blog posts from years ago. http://ladyj-in-lotus-pose.blogspot.com/2012/01/james-deen-is-not-nice-guy-of-porn.html http://ladyj-in-lotus-pose.blogspot.com/2012/02/james-deen-is-not-nice-guy-of-porn-part.html?zx=eaee615c7a117400 2) Is James Dean bad for porn? Yes, and he has always been bad for porn. Because he is TOO mainstream. He has already cost companies millions years ago. And cost fans terrible grief at the removal of hundreds of scenes from our access. It was James Dean who mistreated Lisa Ann to the point she complained about her anal injuries. Here is an example from Porn Star Punishments a series featuring both several times. This is the series James Dean caused to get pulled forever from Brazzers. Because companies (Visa and Epoch) do not want to be affiliated with woman abuse or possible rape. http://www.cliphunter.com/w/1209585/lisa_ann_rough_by_james_deen And here a few years later the same kind of accusations are coming forward. James Dean is hurting porn because he is too mainstream. This causes the types of porn he produces to get labeled and banned. Which hurts everyone financially and his fans too. 3) Is James Dean Guilty? I cannot answer this question. While it is quite possible that in real life James Dean likes the kind of rough sex he is famous for. It is also possible he went too far in real life and on set. But in America you are innocent until proven guilty. Until James Dean is proven guilty in a court of law we cannot say for sure he is guilty. But we can say he is hurting the porn industry. 4) What is the solution? There has always been rough sex. There has always been rough porn. When rough porn becomes too mainstream it gets hit with the Ban Hammer. Pornstar Punishments, Extreme Associates, The porn Pirate (You know who I am talking about), Max Hardcore. These are just a few examples of when our system of Government has stepped in and laid down the law. Or in some cases those who control finances. There are a lot of rough sex porn sites that do it the right way. Kink, Assylum, Face Fucking, Queensnake, JM Productions. These site stay low under the Radar. They try not to ship videos across state lines. They try to cater to their clients without raising a fuss. James Dean needs to decide if he wants to be a stud. If he does then he needs to do a 180 and change his sexual habits on screen 100%. But if he wants to keep catering to his client base then he needs to work exclusively for his own website and put the kind of material on there his clients want. This is the only way he will succeed but it is up to him. There are many websites that go too far and are going to get into serious trouble (Mood pictures, Elite pain, some of the Czech sites). There is a fine line between art and going too far. When you cross that line there are real world consequences. As a expert on rough sex I hope I have answered some of the questions I see in this forum post. I enjoy rough simulated fantasy sex where both parties are willing, have boundaries and have fun. I am 100% opposed to the read abuse or mistreatment of anyone. I thank you for reading. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; Edited on Dec 07, 2015, 06:22am | |
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| 12-07-15 07:00pm - 3260 days | #15 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
While James Deen is responsible for his own actions, I think it's wrong to blame him for the whole direction of companies that he was working for. As a long-time member of Brazzers at the time that PornstarPunishments was running, I am very aware that the whole direction of the site at that time - which James Deen was not the owner or CEO of - was rough sex. Every live show at that time was dominated by suggestions by the emcees like "should we destroy her now or later?" There was one live show during that period where one of the female performers had some type of breakdown on set, spent much of the show curled up in a corner in a drug-induced daze and then was prodded by the producers into having an alercation with Jinx Maze that was only stopped by Amber Rayne - the only sane person on the entire set, it seemed. James Deen wasn't even there, so this "James Deen is the cause of all problems in porn" line is just flat-out wrong and inaccurate. He's gotten a lot of work from being a decent-looking guy-next-door type who can stay hard and do the rough sex that producers have hired him to do - and he made even more money by producing his own stuff. As to his treatment of Lisa Ann and other women, he's entirely responsible for that. | |
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| 12-08-15 05:23am - 3260 days | #16 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
Quote from Lily Labeau, which confirms stories I'd heard about him. "most performers, if it looks like they’re being very aggressive, what you don’t see is their hand positioned in a place to make sure you don’t hit your head or that you’re comfortable … James is the opposite. He’s the one who will make it look like it’s this romantic scene to the camera and what you don’t see is that he’s twisting … or pinching you or jabbing you in some way.” | |
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| 12-08-15 08:30am - 3259 days | #17 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
First let me say huge respect PinkPanther. Please take my tone in this as being neutral. I respect your work and this is in no way trying to be negative. I am trying my best to portray a unbiased view. If you guys were memebers at the time you must know it was his abuse of Lisa Ann and her comment the next day about anal bleeding that prompted Visa and Epoch to tell Brazzers to cut Pornstar Punishments. So he is solely to blame it was his incident that caused this. Listen I did NOT say he is a abuser. All I said is that he is bad for mainstream porn and cost them millions and us product. He is innocent until proven guilty let me be clear on that. However his whole history is rife with complaints and where there is smoke there is usually fire. But again innocent until proven guilty. I did not say James Dean was the only rough sex performer in the industry. Far from it. And your points about other performers on Brazzers is a legit good point. But Brazzers needs to be careful not to muddy their brand. Most of their clients go there to see busty women have sex. If you want kink you should go to a niche website where your Payment Processors know exactly what you are doing and wont make you pull takes or entire collections. This is just my opinion. All I am saying is he either needs to change his ways as a stud. Or focus on his own niche porn site. Mainstream porn will probably never allow this type of scenario to continue its far to dangerous. Besides this dilutes brands of companies like Brazzers. When you go there you are expecting busty women. Not simulated abuse. That should be in niche porn in my opinion. It is much safer in niche porn. On single website that when you click on them you know EXACTLY what you are getting. Also I never said James Dean was the cause of all problems in Porn. That is a huge misquote. Do you even know the sites I review (Facial Abuse, etc etc)? Do you know my taste? I LOVE James Dean. I LOVE his work and the works of others like him. My personal feelings are the rougher the better the fantasy is. I am a expert on the darker side of porn it is my favorite type. So take what I said with a grain of salt. I was only providing a Unbiased view with possible solutions. If I was to use my bias I would have been pro James Dean. Not middle of the road with solutions that do not cost him his career. Here is what bias looks like 1) Fire James dean. Or the opposite 2) Screw the women they get paid. I used a middle of the road unbiased approach showing the facts and offering solutions that help EVERYONE. 1) James dean could stay a stud but stop the rough stuff. 2) James Dean could focus the rough stuff on his own site. So please do not make it out that I have a vendetta against a actor who is one of my favorites. Re-read what I wrote and you will see it was middle of the road. Much respect Pink Panther but I was only trying to answer ALL of the questions I saw on this forum. I did a thorough job. And I was one of the only ones to provide references for my answers. Here is a forum post that references Visa and Lisa Ann Blog where she complains about a bleeding anus. Her blog is gone but here is proof it existed once. At the time I read her blog but cannot find it now. http://www.brazzersforum.com/showthread....-pornstar-punishment 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; Edited on Dec 08, 2015, 08:44am | |
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| 12-08-15 05:22pm - 3259 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I can't speak for your Lisa Ann story because I was not aware of it but if it did happen as you claim than I can assure you that it wasn't the only reason why Brazzer was forced to stop producing their PSP series. It may not have helped but one scene could not kill an entire series. I'd also like to point out that whatever happened between Lisa and James can't have been all that bad or she has some serious memory issues because she is one of James main supporter(see her article below) I met James Deen at the perfect time. It was 2005, James was a hot 19 year old, previously working as a Barista at Starbucks, before he stepped into the MILF Boom in the industry. I was making my return into the business and when you add the hot, young guy & ME the Milf , we had movie magic. James and I worked well together for years. James did all of my firsts with me, any scene I was too nervous to do with anyone else, I insisted on James. This lasted for some really good years, but like normal sexual relations, on or off set we grew apart. As I got older and more comfortable with my sexuality, I desired softer more intimate sex, and as you all know, that’s not the norm in porn. It was a battle for me to not have directors try to push me or convince my male talent to do things to me that I did not want done. James would never do that to me, I always had his trust. Then came the time when we had too much sex. On and off camera and well we lost our sexual chemistry, we bickered a bit on set over our sexual style and what I later realized was this. Male performers shooting 20-25 sex scenes a month deal with way more variables that the girl, like me, who was shooting 5 days a month and always picking my co-stars. The male performers often have to work with girls they are not into, or vice versa. When James and I did our last scene together, it was clear to me that our spark was gone and we had grown in a different sexual direction. He did like more aggressive sex than I did, that’s a fact, BUT SO DOES THE WORLD. When I told James NO- that meant no, we never had an issue. But no girl wants to be complaining during sex, that’s no fun and not hot for the viewer. James was on his own sexual journey and it was clear to see, the same companies that are now claiming to turn their back on him after these internet allegations, were the same companies hiring him to shoot these style scenes, day after day after day. This new sexual climate in porn is a lot more aggressive, with a lot less intimacy. Go find some movies from the 90z and watch the sex. That’s just more my style. This does not mean either style is wrong or right, the beauty of sex it is your choice how you share it. When James and I did our last scene together nothing changed for us. He was never aggressive to me; he never forced me to do anything or tried to change my mind. He would never have disagreed with my needs, wants or my sexual style in general. We just grew apart, but remained friends and I would always like to see him at events. See what you may not know about James, he has a great sense of humor. One of the many draws that keep him working all the time. He is fun to be on set with, cracks jokes with the crew all day and keeps things really lite! I love that. Good sex and laughter at work, come on.. Who doesn’t want that? When I was producing for my own company James and I still didn’t work together, why am I telling you this, here is why- I made a choice, I surveyed the situation, I evaluated and when it no longer fit with me, I made a change. That was my choice; it was also the choice of the product I wanted to release. My brand, my style, no slight on James. So, you can do your homework and see yeah, I saw what was happening, BUT I also know what I know. James was and is always getting enough sex, scenes and work. In my opinion he doesn’t need to force himself on anyone, nor would he want to. As you see, he never once tried to push me to work with him again. It was understood, respectfully. Flash forward to now. Over the Thanksgiving Holiday I notice James Deen’s X Girlfriend has posted some tweets that accuse him of something really severe. In a matter of hours I am getting hit up by news wires to interview, quickly after that 2 other girls in the industry we making the same statements. This took off and my mind was blown. Now this is real, from a couple of tweets, with no police reports or charges pressed, this is now on the news in the news and everyone is talking about it. How can this be? No one has real facts, where we live in a country where we are innocent till proven guilty, how is James Deen being shunned by the world over some tweets. Just tweets. No paperwork, no police reports, no action taken. What came clear to me was Twitter war.. I lived though one, it was brutal, and it still surfaces from time to time. It invaded every space I have, mentally, physically, with family, friends. It was the fastest growing, most toxic virus I have ever seen in my life. We have gone so far as to actually believe tweets from strangers. With no real fact checking, no back-story on relationships with the people involved. Scorn people now use the Internet & social media as their weapon to hurt others. Sadly it works. It hurts people, ruins lives, and affects their families and their futures. I hope that in the future we can put some laws in place that can protect us online. This level of public shame is so unacceptable. What is worse, living in the darkness. I spent the weekend thinking about how James must feel , what his family is going through and how alone he feels in the industry at this time. My twitter war inspired me to completely disconnect from the industry. I was planning on still producing and directing movies as well as helping young talent getting into the industry. My production company alone fed a good 25K a month into the industry in production costs, hiring talent, camera crew, editors, make up artists, locations etc. That was my solid contribution and that could have continued. That all changed when I stood up on that stage this February at the XBiz Award show to present an award, I was heckled, and told I was an old cunt and no one wanted me in the industry anymore. That night erased my 24 plus years in the industry. I spent days online reading hateful tweets from talent, producers and people I knew for years, never had a beef with, they just jumped on the hate bandwagon. It was dark. Of all that I have been through, it was the darkest, most painful time of my life. February was not that long ago and I still deal with remnants of the harassment, the occasional death threat, indirect but direct tweets. The sense of pride others feel trying to ruin some ones life on social media concerns me on every level, so I decided to reach out to James Deen and see where his head is at. How he is feeling, what he is being told his legal option are etc. His reality is similar to what mine was. Out of pain we will fight, we will burn through an incredible amount of money and time with court, the problem is the reality that the tone never goes away. This message will still be out there about James. He will always be judged, shamed and now in a business he was successful in since 2004, the reality is he being pushed out by some tweets, that simple, some tweets- sounds absurd right? My point here is this- We are all innocent till proven guilty. No one can be legally proven guilty from tweets, yet theses tweets have made him guilty in the eye of society. It is sad to see someone I have known for 10 years going through something like this. I may have more empathy because of my recent situation, but please have some compassion everyone. If you don’t have compassion, ok have some common sense. Defamation of character is a punishable act. So everyone out there running with this story should be a little fearful out the out come for them. This is now just another concern with trust, friendships go wrong and twitter wars start, relationships end and accusations are posted online. Is this a risk we all want to take? Without facts to back up these statements, we can’t just assume. Is this the next level break up? The new norm? Not if we don’t let it, but it is up to every individual. I was not present and I do not know what happened in any of these situations posted online. I am merely playing devils advocate here, telling my story and hoping to just give another perspective to those of you out there aware of this story and not quite sure what to make of it. I am not trying to get involved, but at the same time, when everyone turned on me, it was dark & lonely and I don’t wish that on anyone. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-08-15 06:12pm - 3259 days | #19 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Sorry you went through that Pat362. I agree that Lisa Ann may be full of it. I agree that Brazzers pulling PP might have used the story as a red herring. I was sad to see the series go. Totally agree that James Dean IS innocent. It should be a crime for someone to tweet something that can ruin another persons life. I still cannot believe Stoya did that. But then again ex girl friends can be brutal. There has to be some level of protection for innocent people until they are proven guilty. It is a terrible shame James is going through all of this. Thank you so much for your story and insight into James Dean. If only rational minds were willing to listen. Instead of media jumping to conclusions and running with it. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 12-09-15 06:38am - 3259 days | #20 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
What James has to say about it... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...pletely-baffled.html | |
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| 12-10-15 04:07am - 3258 days | #21 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
And a response. Not pleasant for the rape apologist and "IS not guilty" crowd. http://www.thefrisky.com/2015-12-08/jame...-completely-baffled/ | |
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| 12-11-15 01:38pm - 3256 days | #22 | |
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host2626 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 27, '08 |
How exactly is it "not pleasant"? How is it even relevant? Some Amelia whatserface writes an opinion piece on some frisky website, filled with perls of wisdom like "For the record, I still do not believe him."... Who the F does she think she is and why does her opinion suddenly become gospel? | |
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| 12-11-15 02:15pm - 3256 days | #23 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Host2626 This was exactly my thoughts when I read the piece. There was obvious bias. I tried very hard to show a unbiased view. James Deen is innocent. Period. Until proven otherwise in a court of law. Which at this time does not look like it is going to happen. It might in the future. But nevertheless I cannot stand opinion pieces that show no evidence (We cannot show this video, the video was removed) and only try to generate clicks. The worst kind of journalism. James Deen might just want to lay low for a bit and let this all blow over. Mainstream media would love nothing more than to get a chance to smear porn. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 12-11-15 05:37pm - 3256 days | #24 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
Oh for God sake. So you're saying no-one can make any allegations? You have been anything but unbiased. Sure he may not be guilty in a court of law, but no-one should be allowed to know what he is like? No one should know what risks they might take when dealing with him? This is rape apology at its absolute worst, these performers have felt unable to come forward because of bullying and pressure within the business, and now some have you won't believe them, and it's somehow their fault? All over the world women are sexually abused and silenced due to attitudes like yours. Rapists and abusers have got away with it for years - if you don't report it to the police with complete proof immediately you must be lying. Pure BS. There have been rumours about James Deen for years, and about what really goes on at Kink. It may not suit your fantasy that all these girls really love been beaten senseless and severely hurt for your sexual gratification, and that doesn't hide the truth. There are many reasons why victims of sexual abuse don't some forward immediately. None of them should have any effect on how seriously the allegations are taken. | |
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| 12-13-15 10:07am - 3254 days | #25 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
If you’re interested, here is a link to a story at Slate on how women mostly, but some men, picked up on what they liked about Deen and turned him into the idol he became even if what they saw in him wasn’t real or true. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/d...ist_idol.single.html | |
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| 12-15-15 03:00pm - 3252 days | #26 | |
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MikeC
PornUsers Staff  Posts: 102 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
Great share, admiral. Slate's a great site. It'll be interesting to see if there will continue to be a fallout with this. Will he blackballed from the industry at large? Will there be criminal charges? For porn at large, I am curious what changes, if any, will be made on extreme porn sets. For example, should there be an industry-wide safe word? This isn't exactly a field where OSHA pops in to make inspections and there are no HR departments as we think of them in the office world (as I understand it, anyway). One of the questions raised in the Rob Black case all those years ago that helped lead to his time in prison is when does an extreme sex act, even initially agreed upon, become rape? Black's attorney's were unable to credibly answer this question in a way that satisfied the jury and though there was a bit of a witch hunt with him (completely different story), it's a question that still exists in the industry and one this James Deen situation raises again. | |
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| 12-23-15 10:39pm - 3244 days | #27 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
It's definitely a challenge to porn fans, such as myself, that like harder stuff. Evil Angel is easily my favorite porn production/distribution company and the vast majority of their work is very intense sex, which is what I like about it - it's over the top and often hilarious and sexy at the same time. But as with the situation described above with Lisa Ann - if Pyrenees comments are correct - she was abused by Deen, complained about it, then writes an impassioned piece defending him, saying that she never had a problem with him. What's real and what isn't in the world of porn? Are all the girls laughing as they give slobbering bj's driving home weeping, then sitting at their computers crying, tweeting about what a great scene they just shot? I sure as hell don't know, which I find a truly frustrating fact since I definitely don't want to be supporting the abuse of women. | |
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| 01-07-16 01:57pm - 3229 days | #28 | |
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TheBrickster (0)
Active User Posts: 41 Registered: Dec 02, '15 Location: New Hampshire |
Kink appears to be making some wholesale changes to their Model Bill of Rights: http://www.ynot.com/kink-com-expands-mod...l-rights-safeguards/ It's good to know that Kink continues to affirm themselves as a progressive company as it relates to performers rights. While I'm not really a fan of Kink sites, it's good to know some in the industry are actually doing something to prevent further issues from happening. Listen to Buried At Sea. | |
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| 01-07-16 07:00pm - 3229 days | #29 | |||
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^That's a bucket full of bullshit from a company that is already up shit creek with multiple violations with OSHA. Some of the performers claimed abuse on the set of their kink shoots and people like me are sitting here wondering why the hell they didn't any of them use their safe words right away and get this taken care of. We are after all talking about porn where the women are the ones who make the money for the industry. I checked some of their so called new provisions and I'm still scratching my head as to what those mean. 1-Escorting models to and from set.
2-Guarantee to provide private bathroom and showers.
3-An increase in check-ins with models after a shoot.
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| 01-07-16 08:38pm - 3229 days | #30 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
"The women all said they loved what I was doing on and off set ...understanding they get paid better when they lie and say the love me... I have camera footage where they told me they enjoyed their time, so I kept continuing in my ways. I'm the victim here, being blindsided by these allegations when I was told for years everyone loved me." | |
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| 01-08-16 12:57am - 3229 days | #31 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Terence Howard, the movie star who was in the first Iron Man movie, has been accused numerous times of physical abuse of his ex-wives. He recently admitted in a Rolling Stone interview that he did, once, hit his first wife in 2001 in front of his kids. His defense was "She was talking to me real strong, and I lost my mind and slapped her in front of the kids." (The police report also notes that Howard "punched her twice with a closed fist.") As for his second wife, Michelle Ghent, Howard was accused (in a lawsuit she filed) of beating her severely in 2013 in Costa Rica. According to the lawsuit, Howard "followed [Ghent] into the restroom of the rental house and punched her on the left side of her face. [Howard] also grabbed [her] by her neck and pushed her against the bathroom wall and strangled her for several seconds." Howard responds to these allegations as well in the Rolling Stone interview. "She was trying to Mace me," Howard explains, "and you can't see anything so all you can do is try to bat somebody away, and I think that something caught her. But I wasn't trying to hit her." Terence Howard is a beautiful man, as well as a gifted actor. Shouldn't he be allowed to express himself emotionally, when his women don't appreciate how wonderful he is? And if the women tell hateful stories about James Deen, obviously that makes him the victim. After all, this is the real world. What are you going to believe? That men can actually hurt women? That Adolf Hitler wasn't trying to make a better world for all of us? That not everyone is a saint? Edit: What I'm trying to say, is that men can abuse women, and get away with it for years. For many different reasons. And the best defense is to simply deny any guilt. The law says you're innocent until proven guilty, but the law is full of bullshit, just like many people. | |
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| 01-08-16 07:27am - 3229 days | #32 | |
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TheBrickster (0)
Active User Posts: 41 Registered: Dec 02, '15 Location: New Hampshire |
1. Not all provisions are reactive and perhaps this is a proactive measure. Several of the accusations against Deen detailed issues that occurred on-set between shooting scenes. 2. This probably means access to bathrooms/showers that are for one person only and not communal bathrooms that you would find in gyms/locker rooms. As a former armory, there are probably very few singular bathrooms on location. 3. This could mean an exit interview done after all shooting has completed. I think these are motions by a company that completely understands that what they do, the content they shoot and the workplace environment that can result from that content, has a potential for serious issues to occur. I don't think it's a cure-all, but it is an honest attempt from a company looking to protect their employees. I said already I'm not a fan of Kink's content, but some credit has to be given for trying to avoid further issues, whether it be to earnestly protect their performers or shield their corporate entity from potential lawsuits (I imagine its a combination of the two). Do you think Facial Abuse has protections like this in place when they shoot? Or Max Hardcore? Or Rocco Siffredi? Listen to Buried At Sea. | |
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| 01-09-16 06:31am - 3228 days | #33 | |
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RustyJ (0)
Suspended Posts: 79 Registered: Aug 04, '10 |
I've never fealt anything for or against the man and I never quite understood what all the fuzz about him was. Next door looking guy, yeah, but a feminist idol?  I've watched some of his scenes now with all this in mind and sometimes it indeed appears like the guy is in some kind of frenzy and in the Kink scenes he sometimes appears downright sadistic which is probably how they wanted it to look like anyway. That Lily LaBeau scene however made me angry. You don't really notice what happens until you pay attention. I'm not sure if porn is for everyone and I imagine it might be easy to lose the grip on what's ok and what's not if you fuck pretty ladies for living every day for a large part of your life. You might start to think they actually fuck you because they want you and not the money. In porn bought consent makes it all very hard to objectively judge for an outsider. The age old question is, what's the difference between raping a prostitute and just pickpocketing her money after the act. Personally I cannot see it any less of a crime if the woman had "loose morals" to begin with as no is no even if you had sex five minutes ago. On the funnier side, what's this with Bret Easton Ellis being the only one publicly coming out on Deen's side? The guy is basically known for fantasy stories about sexual violence against women and he even wrote a sexual psychotic's role for Deen personally  | |
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