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| 05-30-12 07:28am - 4589 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Sites come and go. it seemed to me about 5- 6 years ago a pecking order arriving. I remember sites like brazzers and bang bro way back were no more then just shots taken in low cost places and film quality was cheap looking. Other sites like Jessica Jaymes, and Catlina Cruz, rose to the top only to become another brick in the wall. Catalina even tried expanding out her sites and then it just stopped as fast as it came. Sites like Twistys, have manage to stay in the middle which like Xart and a few others is not a bad place to be, as staying power seems key. Rather then list all the sites I thinbk have come and gone or been knocked down from once rise to power, I wondered what anyone else thought as far as sites they have seen rise and fall. I am reminded of porn sites like rock bands often some site come along is amazing but juts like a one hit wonder we soon never hear from them. There are many many bands that come and go rise to stardom in 50,000 plus arenas to playing at fairgrounds and bars. So is places like porn sites that update daily, have huge new models only to stop updating and end up with rushed shooting and taking more risks that eventually steer customers away. Right now I see Digital Desire as a site doing just this, they were always a slow mover but have lost many top stars to other sites, they now experiment with fade in and out camera angles and are slowly turn to more softer porn. I watched one movie by them just released and you saw the girls ass all of 30 seconds in 7 minutes. and rest was just fade in outs weird angles and their photo lack any erotic nature. What happened to them is what I see other just like them do they fade and then struggle to regain fame. I remember back in the 70;s many rock bands tried to convert their 70's rock to 80's pop and it was horrible crash and burn, porn sites need to realize it aint broke don't fix it.  Since 2007 | |
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| 05-30-12 08:37am - 4589 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The same observation, sites come and go, could be made about most businesses. Restaurants come and go, hard drive manufacturers come and go, etc. Companies like Coca Cola, which have been around over 100 years and still remain on top, are the exception. | |
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| 05-30-12 09:02am - 4589 days | #3 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
This is true, kinda hate though when you get used to a model and they walla she is gone. Catalina Cruz I was a member the longest then any other site that being 1 year. Then it kinda fizzled out. Since 2007 | |
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| 05-30-12 09:08am - 4589 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think that most stand alone sites are doomed to failure because there are too many other network style sites and most of them have passable to great content and there are simply too few paying members. Most porn performers sites are usually so bad that a dollar is too much for what is inside. There are exceptions but these are the rare gems. The only pornstar sites that seem to be able to make some money are those that are part of a network of multiple performers but then again they are part of a network so not really a solo site. The tube sites, torrent sites and the recession have accelerated the demise of many sites and I think that's too bad because I don't know if there's a light for many of the sites still active because these same problems are still with us. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-30-12 09:11am - 4589 days | #5 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I hear ya, there was a guy on Ebay selling dvd's they looked legit come to find out he was taking torrents and selling them on Ebay. I destroyed the DVD I bought. was good quality but  . Since 2007 | |
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| 05-30-12 11:42am - 4589 days | #6 | |
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Thomas20 (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 27, '09 Location: England |
lol now that's what I call progressive rock. They crashed and burned cos they were 10 years too soon  | |
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| 05-30-12 06:08pm - 4589 days | #7 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
It is just a function of the passage of time. Just appreciate what you perceive to be good whilst it is available. That is the approach I have to most things. I have to do this, as so few sites cater to my preferences. ( It would be very nice if more sites did what I appreciate though. )  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-03-12 11:00pm - 4585 days | #8 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Would be nice if we could just ask and they could do it LOL  Since 2007 | |
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| 06-04-12 01:52am - 4584 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Tried that SOOOOO many times. It is like shouting into a chasm. It gets echoes, but doesn't provide a solution to the problem.  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-04-12 07:48am - 4584 days | #10 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
How about we all boycott porn for a month until they listen, think of how much the nation would save in hand lotion and kleenex LOL Since 2007 | |
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| 06-04-12 11:58am - 4584 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^It would be nice if that worked but I think the advent of tube sites has made it so that most sites these days are not going to vary very far from what sells eventhough the stuff they could produce would sell twice as much. I read something yesterday about Brazzer and I don't know if it's true or not but I thought it made sense. It is strongly rumored that Manwin/Brazzer owns many of the top tube sites on the net. These tube sites have the same effect on them as it does on most of the other internet and that it steals business from them to the point where Brazzer no longer makes money from the site itself but from the traffic they generate from the tube sites and their own sites as well. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-04-12 12:28pm - 4584 days | #12 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Reminds me of an idea I suggested last year. Not quite the same thing, but both based on the principle of "can't beat 'em, join 'em." I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 06-04-12 12:28pm - 4584 days | #13 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I have visited tube sites but often find many sites with tracking and malware. I am sure places like Videobox are ok, but I do not trust the other sites. LOL nothing in life is free. Since 2007 | |
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| 06-04-12 12:42pm - 4584 days | #14 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
In my case I have very little left to boycott.  Mind you I could always look at the terabytes of photos I have avidly collected for so long.  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-04-12 01:03pm - 4584 days | #15 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
It's not a rumor, it's a provable fact. They own a ton of them, and they make more money off of their tube sites that they do off subscriptions to Brazzers. | |
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| 06-04-12 02:07pm - 4584 days | #16 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
If the tube sites are free, how do they make money off them? I mean, the viewer isn't paying anything. And if there are ads at these sites, I doubt the viewing audience is clicking on most ads. | |
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| 06-04-12 04:18pm - 4584 days | #17 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Most of the tube sites seem to make money by referring visitors to paysites. I won't list names here, but lots of them allow paysites to post example videos and then the tube site makes a commission by posting links/adverts beside/over each video. They can also make a little money by gathering information about you and what stuff you like to watch. Then there's the popup/popunders etc. Tube sites cost a lot to run and they obviously wouldn't do it if they didn't make money from it. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 06-04-12 06:44pm - 4584 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^That is exactly how it is done and sadly most of the sites now do that probably because that is the only way they can make some money. If Brazzer who is a the top of the internet sites is not able to make money then can you imagine how bad it is for all the other sites? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-05-12 11:18am - 4583 days | #19 | |
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
I think the development is quite an interesting example of market mechanisms. A couple of years ago, the market was still full of sites, competing with each other. The better sites (or the ones with more money in their hands) slowly gained an edge over the inferior sites, so the inferior sites went down, leaving more customers for the better sites. Seller's market. Then we saw huge progress in technology. High end equipment became cheaper and cheaper, allowing more of the smaller sites to catch up in terms of quality. Today, every single studio in the depth of the Russian Taiga is able to shoot high quality videos, forcing the bigger sites to pick up the gauntlet and adjust their pricing. Remember when you had to subscribe to Brazzers for 6 months before they gave you access to their true hdtv stuff? Well... today, you get it all from the very beginning. Access to high speed internet connection is another factor. Back in the days of 1 MBit pipes, people were thinking twice before they decided to download this huge 500MB file. With 12, 16 or 32 MBit becoming the norm, users are able to soak up the entire content of a site in a couple of days, which consequently means that the customer probably won't stay for another month after the first one. The only way to counter this is to increase the output/update rate, which means further increase of expenses. Remember when one weekly update was normal? Today, if a site doesn't dish out at least one update per day, the customers will get bored pretty soon and leave. Yet another factor is the "niche" factor. This is just like TV. A couple of decades ago, people were happy to have *something* to watch on TV. Now, they decided that just watching *something* isn't good enough and voila... there is niche broadcasting. Same with porn. Just watching a bunch of nude people in bed isn't enough anymore. People want to have their special preferences catered. The result is further fragmentation of the customer base. No idea where this is going. I guess for us customers it's a good trend, because we're currently living in a customers market. But this trend could be reversed at some point, when we see the critical mass of sites dying and the remaining sites more and more unable to feed the supply. Edited on Jun 05, 2012, 12:43pm (bibo: edit: some typos and stuff) | |
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| 06-05-12 03:31pm - 4583 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I guess we look a it a little differently because I'm a regular member of many Kink sites and they only update with one new scene per week and that is more than fine with me. That's not to say that I wouldn't love to have more updates but I've come to realisation that quantity simply doesn't work for me. The majority of sites and/or networks that I follow who update with multiple scenes per week rarely have more than a couple that I'll actually save. It's possible that I'm more picky about my porn than some others but I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only person like that either. As much as I'd like to believe that were now in a customer market. The reality is that there is significantly less porn being produced now then there was 5 years ago and the trend doesn't look good for the immediate futur. Just look at the number of active sites today vs 5 years ago. I think you could even look at 3 years ago and see that we have even less. Tube sites and torrent sites have managed to do what the most rabid right wing religious group could not do and that's kill porn. Don't kid yourself. Porn is dying. What you currently see is a the last breath before the lights go out. That doesn't mean we won't have porn a decade from now but I'd be hard pressed to tell you what kind of porn it will be and who will still be producing it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-05-12 06:06pm - 4583 days | #21 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Customers can only buy what is available. I would subscribe to sites that properly catered to my preferences. Unfortunately there don't seem to be any consistent providers & few if any are willing to. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-06-12 11:47am - 4582 days | #22 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
How very true! | |
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| 06-06-12 12:02pm - 4582 days | #23 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
I agree that market forces and pirating will achieve what the religious right cannot do. Alas, I think that we will eventually have just a few big networks, selling standard formula porno movies, just like supermarkets dominate the food market. The days of getting high quality, exclusive photos are probably numbered now and that makes me very sad. Even the tube sites cannot survive if nobody remains to produce the content in the first place. I am also glad I have all those terabytes of photos saved. | |
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| 06-06-12 06:31pm - 4582 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Try telling that to guys that have no problem justifying their use of tube sites on a regular basis for their porn fix. They can't be swayed from their view that using a tube site is acceptable because someone had to at least pay once for the content to be posted on the site so why should they have to pay for it again. Not to mention that all the porn being made is crap so agian why pay for crap. If you post on this forum then you are probably part of the group that pays for his porn just like me and everyone else here and we understand that sooner or later tube sites will kill new porn. They have managed to make sure that most companies can't produce high quality porn because they would never make their money back. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-07-12 06:11am - 4581 days | #25 | |
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
Pat, I don't think out opinions are that far away from each other. A buyers market is an indicator for a suffering industry. My post was not meant to argue your observations. I was merely trying to find explanations for the development. However, I don't think that porn is dying. It's just going through another stage of development. Printed magazines basically died out when video systems appeared. Videos died our when DVD and the internet appeared. Now we're facing a new development. I agree that we probably won't see any more big productions. My guess is that we will see a trend towards homemade, low budget productions with new ways of distribution. The world is changing...  | |
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| 06-07-12 07:07am - 4581 days | #26 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^The reason why I say that porn is dying is because the kind of porn I know and enjoy will probably not exist in the near futur so it is a dying industry. That's not to say that there won't be porn in a decade but I still say that no one can honestly say that they know what that porn will be like. We can only imagine what it. Read the below article to get an idea of just how bad it currently is for people working in the porn industry. http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=54611 Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-07-12 09:16am - 4581 days | #27 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I do believe it will be nothing like we are used to, I do guess it will not be as hidden as more and more of our lives are public, this will also go mainstream in a way that I have no idea of yet. Since 2007 Edited by Staff on Jun 07, 2012, 09:25am (Khan: fixed quoteback) | |
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