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| 10-08-08 05:07am - 5919 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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ace of aces (0)
Active User  Posts: 7 Registered: Jul 26, '07 Location: Germany |
Where are all the trust votes gone? It`s amazingly that nobody seems to care about the trust votings anymore. beeing a member since a quite long time and only reciving 28 votes is a shame. i try to vote every new member, so i wished every member also makes a vote over my reviews. i am also not ashamed to give a "no" for someone. i always do it not anonymisly. it`s making the system better if other users know who don`t trust the user. therfore he could easier decide wether he is the same opinion or another. if we don`t use the trustvoting system permanent, we won`t be able as users to know if we can trust anotherones vote. and i guess trying every site on my own would be nice, but sadly i am working anyway :) therfore for all new members and members who hasn`t voted until now. GO AND MAKE YOURE VOTE! EVERY VOTE COUNTS and makes the system safer for site tryings. | |
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| 10-08-08 07:16am - 5919 days | #2 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
There you go, Ace! (GOOD point!) Tried earlier to put this intem to attention here at PU. I agree with you here on all points - it's also vital along the way, when you read reviews. Do not understand why this has been downgraded som much for a long time - and by a lot of new users, especially.. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-08-08 07:23am - 5919 days | #3 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Haha ... I seem to recall Denner posting something similar when he was close to getting his Trust badge. Where are the trust-rating? Remember, new users *may* be casting Trust ratings but they only show after the User has earned 5 points. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-08-08 07:29am - 5919 days | #4 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I give trusts about once a week or more, guess if your reviews didnt suck you would get more ratings ACES ,,,,,,,,,Rofl. Just kidding, I am guessing many ppl do not see that as a part of the review process. Allot of forums and such have a rating for members and theres a difference in how some may see it as a novelty and some may see it as part of being qualified for a review. I think its important if you have been here to encourage ppl to do reviews. All except Drooler who wins every week gees Good God, he has the best luck , and needs no support LOL. Ok thats it. my ramblings. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-08 07:32am - 5919 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Yes, Khan - you got a good memory... But I still think Ace and this user's got a point: A fine trust-score also indicates something in some ways...but the scores is getting less and less in general - good and bad and that's a bit of a shame. Scores should be flying around.... And thanks again for the good score from your hand at that time! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-08-08 07:53am - 5919 days | #6 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Well, the Drooler deserves all his winnings (LOL) - but you are right here, CT: we need to get things moving - also (or especially) with new PUs - and the way to do it may be the encouragement - we all need new "faces" - new points of view - so let me repeat myself: this is a good thread! So new users: "Come together" (John Lennon)... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-08-08 08:03am - 5919 days | #7 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I miss John Lennon , oh off topic LOL Yes Drooler deserves it. LOL Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-08 08:19am - 5919 days | #8 | |
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ace of aces (0)
Active User Posts: 7 Registered: Jul 26, '07 Location: Germany |
We have 159 users with 5 points or more. the question still stands, why there are only 28 votes while my whole 14 months existing membership all together. if i look at all the other users i can see the same problem with theire achieved votings. without votings it is almost impossible to know if the review is trustworthy or not. making the trustvotings also anonym makes it even more difficult to know wether some one who you personal trust gave someone else a non trust, or vice versa. beiing honest, the trust from other users always gives me a better feeling if i join a site which was reviewed by a trusted user. | |
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| 10-08-08 08:24am - 5919 days | #9 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I give trust ratings whenever I feel the reviewer deserves, which I think is often. Many who I give trust ratings to don't reciprocate. I thought that was due to my taste being not exactly the average. Now, I am not so sure. | |
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| 10-08-08 08:32am - 5919 days | #10 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I cant give some ppl trust rating, because it blocks after one rating right? wonder if they should allow us a reset to give trust monthly. Aces, and many others would be nice to give another trust too later on. ( me too hehe ) I think all my trust rating came from old timers here. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-08 08:40am - 5919 days | #11 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
You are allowed to give each User ONE Trust Rating. You can change it (or edit the comment w/ it) later if you like. Giving the same User multiple trust ratings would be outside the scope of what the Trust Rating system was designed for. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-08-08 08:42am - 5919 days | #12 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Gotcha , thanks Khan. So I wonder how to encourage newbies to use that system ?? Since 2007 | |
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| 10-08-08 09:00am - 5919 days | #13 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
I go through most/a lot of reviews - but some which is not of my interest, I skip. But I also see if it's made by a new PU - and IF this user gets back with new reviews, I consider a trust-score - mostly after 4 or 5, maybe 6 reviews...Not only the first review...and ok, I hesitate with bad score - give everybody a chance... But I get the same feeling, that trust-ratings are generally not reciprocated by - most- new users - good or bad.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-08-08 12:09pm - 5919 days | #14 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Candidly, after receiving two anonymous negative votes very early after joining, and both with no explanation, I decided that the "trust ratings" were not particularly meaningful. After all, I know I put in a lot of effort drafting up my reviews and thought what I posted was useful and helpful to other members. If I missed that objective, I can accept that. But to have someone hiding in anonymity voting a negative trust rating without explanation told me that I was wasting my effort. It also told me that voting a positive was really a waste of time because it could, and sometime was, offset by a negative rating. The rules changed later but my reluctance to vote a trust rating continues for that reason. Instead if I like a review I will post a reply that says so rather than post a positive "trust" ratng. | |
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| 10-08-08 01:22pm - 5919 days | #15 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, here's some advice. Check out the newer users and their reviews. Be judicious, of course, but if you really think one deserves a "yes," then grant one. Do that I think 5 times in a week and it will pad your raffle ticket hand, too. Eh-HEH! But it gets better: Those newbies who appreciate getting "Yes" notches from you might check out your page and return the favor. THAT'S how to get that "Trusted User" badge that you're only two off from. Or just calm down and wait a while. It will come sooner or later, I'm sure. About those raffle winnings, I didn't even realize until I just checked that I'm number five now. It's not the lavish amount that some people enjoy, though (wink-wink). Yet my 12 points that snagged me $50, including a labor-intensive review, didn't match up to the 4 points that got another dude a cool, leveraged $100. That raised an eyebrow -- but not one of suspicion, of course (wink). I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 08, 2008, 01:35pm | |
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| 10-08-08 02:37pm - 5919 days | #16 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
BTW, Drooler - in this thread I think I made an error, a mistanke with words (english) - when I finish a sentence about your winnings with a LOL - I thought LOL meant something like a smiley or alike - but guess now it stands for "lots of laughs"? (Is that right?) Nothing to laugh about concerning yours, mine or other PU's winnings..... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-08-08 04:31pm - 5919 days | #17 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
It has become popular to equate LOL with Lots Of Laughs. However, its origin is different, though only slightly. Spawning from the world of the Internet Chatroom, LOL was designed to indicate that a joke was so funny the user was literally Laughing Out Loud (despite the probable fact that they were sitting alone). LOL quickly became the base for all sorts of abbreviations. Probably its most popular child is the ROFLOL (Rolling On Floor Laughing Out Loud), later that was even shortened to simply ROFL. With the rise of LOL, the Era of Internet Acronyms was upon us. Many Internet venues now create so many of their own acronyms that their conversations are rendered entirely unintelligible for outside parties. Still, as the Internet has become an ever more important cultural feature, many of its acronyms have come into common usage in everyday interactions. Like Emoticons, the acronyms of the Internet are another example of how much it is influencing our culture. It is important to note that LOL and its kin, are not even remotely the first acronyms to break out of their subculture of origin and become accepted by the mainstream culture. The military has an absolute love for acronyms, often known for creating contrived-acronyms, has brought numerous acronyms into popular culture - the most popular might be FUBAR and SNAFU. (That's Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition/Repair and Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - respectively.) So it is of no surprise that a subculture with ever increasing number of participants like the Internet finds its acronyms permeating the mainstream culture. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-09-08 02:12am - 5919 days | #18 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
"Laugh out loud" or "Lots of laughs" -- we can take our pick. I think people can put in it anywhere they wish to express a laugh in text form, at least on forums and boards and such. Cybertoad did it pretty much the same way. It's all just friendly banter to me. Sure ain't no biggie. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-09-08 02:14am - 5918 days | #19 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Thanks for all that fine info. Was not sure if the content could be regarded as sarcastic og alike - in connection with the winning. It was not my intention, anyway.. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-09-08 02:25am - 5918 days | #20 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I think you are the last person anyone would assume was making a sarcastic or spiteful remark, but I'm glad my little article was helpful. I always like tangential topics that give me an excuse to write up one of my essays :-D "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on Oct 09, 2008, 02:28am | |
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| 10-09-08 02:38am - 5918 days | #21 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Oh! I just realized I forgot to mention my favorite Internet Acronym to date: WSTS (Weeping Silently To Self) My Father & I did once try to start one, but it never really caught on. It was WWT: Willy Wonka That. The acronym was a reference to the original "Charlie in the Chocolate Factory" movie in which Willy Wonka would make a statement that was completely the opposite of what he meant to say, after which he would stop and say "Wait - stop. Reverse that." and then continue on. The acronym was for use in chatrooms or instant messengers. A user could simply type "WWT" after a statement that had a typo, misspelling, grammatical error or some other obvious error that the other user could easily decipher. The "WWT" was simply to let the other user know that you knew you made an error in the previous line and weren't a blithering idiot, that way the conversation could quickly continue without an awkward self correction statement that brings the conversation flow to an abrupt stop. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-09-08 09:01am - 5918 days | #22 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
You know, it might be as simple as editing your profile and encouraging other Users to give you a Trust Rating. In the profile question that says, "Is there anything else you'd like to add?" ... whay not include something along the lines of, "I love to know what other users think of my Reviews so be sure to give me a Trust Rating and let me know." Just a thought. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-09-08 10:28am - 5918 days | #23 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
As I earlier said in my post, I lost interest in the Trust Ratings after getting some anonymous negative ratings with no explanations. If I posted a positive rating with an explanation, that rating could quickly be offset by a negative rating that had no substance or information. So what does the negative rating say about the member and how his/her participation should be evaluated? In November last year PU changed the rule to require an explanation, even if it's only a one word explanation, but anonymous evaluations are still permitted. Bottom line, if the trust rating is intended to communicate that an increased level of credibility is attributable to the member being rated, the ability of a member, hiding as "anonymous," to post a negative with a simple, "too wordy" or "Scores too high," does not appear very useful. What should the member who gets an anonymous negative rating do? Change his style of writing? If criticism is needed, it should be constructive, not just a simplistic comment that isn't particularly helpful. In other words, anonymous negative ratings really serve no useful purpose and, as in my case, makes me not want to post any ratings. That said, I just checked and note that the 3 anonymous and commentless negative ratings that were posted to my account has gone down to just one. I still don't know what the beef was that caused the negative rating. | |
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| 10-09-08 06:14pm - 5918 days | #24 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Strange, but I never realized the importance of trust ratings until this thread came along. I should have known better because I was quite pleased with the positive trust ratings I got when I first started out, they were a bit of an ego booster, seeing that they came from total strangers, while the one negative rating I got at the beginning took me down because I couldn't figure out the reason behind it. *I* knew I could be trusted! LOL. I basically saw the trust ratings as a good tool to let a shill know that I was on to his game, not realizing that to many it might be a bit of a reward for the conscientious work they put into their reviews. Because I don't know to whom I gave a couple of trust ratings in the beginning I want to let you know that I do trust each and every one of the regular users to give me an honest review of a site. I may not always agree with them but I do trust them. Too bad there are so many of us or I would correct matters by adding a positive trust to each. And I agree with one poster: anonymous ratings, positive or negative, should not be allowed. | |
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| 10-09-08 06:29pm - 5918 days | #25 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
In post #3 of this thread, I mentioned another thread addressing Trust Ratings ... Where are the trust-rating? ... If you go to that thread and look at post #7 and #10, you'll find it's fairly easy to see who you've cast Trust Ratings for. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-10-08 07:33am - 5917 days | #26 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Thanks for the tip, Khan (and Kevin.) I must say I feel embarrassed after looking at the details concerning the trust votes I cast. I won't elaborate except to say that my memory has been giving me false information concerning this subject. :-) Well, this thread has convinced me of one thing and that is to start using the trust ratings more often. From now on, if I see a review that is well done I will cast a yes vote, if I see a review that's not so hot (too lacking in detail), I'll keep silent, if I see an obvious attempt at deception or something that is hopelessly inadequate I'll cast a no. | |
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| 10-10-08 07:55am - 5917 days | #27 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Well said. This should be the operative standard for all trust ratings IMO. | |
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| 10-10-08 08:11am - 5917 days | #28 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
We have looked at the issue of allowing anonymous Trust Ratings several times now and at this point, it's unlikely that we'll change that policy. To us, the value of having Users feel they can give a rating w/out fear of reprisal far outweigh the few who just hate not knowing who gave them a negative rating. If I might be so bold as to point out ... If the reason for a NO Trust rating is (perceived by the receiver) seen as not containing enough helpful info, then what possible difference would it make if you knew who the person was? Only one that I can see, the chace to "get even". To date, we've never allowed "because he gave me a negative vote" as a valid reason for a No Trust vote. While we encourage all users to make NON-anonymous ratings, we feel that continuing to allow them is the better way to go at this stage. We are aware that a small percentage of our Users disagree with this policy. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-10-08 08:55am - 5917 days | #29 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Okay, you got me convinced, Khan! :-) | |
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| 10-12-08 06:05am - 5915 days | #30 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
BTW - Anonymous trust-scores: Just got a "Yes"-score - thanks to whoever it is - but even with a "yes" it still would have been better with a name for it - also regarding some kind of feedback.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-12-08 09:24am - 5915 days | #31 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm with Monahan on this. Your approach is the same as what I do. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-12-08 03:25pm - 5915 days | #32 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Ok I get the anonymous, but it should require a comment atleast. good or bad id wouldnt mind know how I did a great job so I can keep it up or if I suck why to avoid it if its really bad. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-12-08 06:10pm - 5915 days | #33 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Negative Trust ratings DO require a comment (now) ... positive ones do not. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-12-08 07:24pm - 5915 days | #34 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I like that a comment is required. I am just unsure of hiding yourself. If you say I suck at least tell me who you are, maybe something can be figured out. I am not going to post a negative trust just because they do not trust me. It is just nice to know what I am doing wrong. So far I have received two negatives and have had both of them changed after talking to the poster. I do not think it should be mandatory to show a name, but I do not think it is a big deal. After all, it is not like it is showing your actual name or address or something to that effect. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-14-08 08:39am - 5913 days | #35 | |
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ace of aces (0)
Active User Posts: 7 Registered: Jul 26, '07 Location: Germany |
i am not the opinion that an anonymous system takes care of all the users. if i have something to say, i don`t have to hide behind something like anonymous. i give trust ratings with full name, and i am convinced that that is helpfull for everyone who wants to improve his reviews. if i give my name i show that i am willing to stard a discussion. i am not afraid of getting a no trust because i have given someone a no trust. this is no kindergarten therfore i hope and do think, that no one is so childish and gives a no only because he recieved a no. i also changed few times my ratings, because the users did improve theirer rating imo. an absulutly no go for me is that the anonymous no trust voters didn`t answer replies. i tried 5 and 6 times to contact them, but no reaction. that kind of no trust gain no use for me, because of theire unqulified statement. hope i didn`t hurt anyones feelings with that :) | |
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| 10-19-08 11:55am - 5908 days | #36 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Question, how can a person petition/ask and annonymous to remove the bad rating if they do not know who it is? Seems we could have some way to ask that its removed from that user? Or is there and option to do that ? Thanks. Since 2007 | |
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| 10-19-08 05:45pm - 5908 days | #37 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I believe if you reply to that anonymous rating, the person that rated you will be notified. If I recall correctly, I accidentally rated someone anonymously and had that happen. I love your new Avatar, by the way :-) All you need is a cartoon stripper to be resting on top of the candy corn, lol "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-19-08 06:16pm - 5908 days | #38 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
That is correct. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 10-19-08 10:35pm - 5908 days | #39 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I'LL GET THAT DONE :-) THIS WEEK THANKS Since 2007 | |
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